Nose = 95% Maxilla: Why Every Nose Looks Different & how to maxilla shapes it.

[4lexx_skiral]

your nose shape is not “nose genetics”. It’s shaped by the way your maxilla projects.

The nasal bones and cartilage sit on the maxilla like a roof on a house.

I will show you different examples with morphs while learning you on how the maxilla shaped them. These morphs aren't always 1:1 with real life facial development but they're just here to give you a clear visual idea of how maxilla influences the nose directly.

Lets take Gandy as an example, he has a hooked nose ''characterized by a prominent nasal bridge that curves downward, often featuring a drooping tip''

The Hooked nose is caused by a maxilla that has better upper projection relative to lower maxilla projection, the upper maxilla causes a forward nasal bridge , while a RELATIVE weaker lower maxilla fails to support the tip properly → tip drops = hooked nose

more lower maxilla = upward tip rotation & straighter nose for Gandy.

The forward push supports the forward grown nosebridge caused by the upper maxilla.
Thats why people who do DJS (moving the lefort 1 area forward which gets them more lower maxilla projection) go from hooked to straight noses or from straight to upturned.

This makes it easy to understand for every nose type.

Upturned nose = Better lower maxilla then upper maxilla. Lets see what happens if we give chico more upper maxilla projection but keep his lower maxilla the same

And if we give gandy less upper maxilla projection but keep his lower maxilla the same

A straight nose (theoretically almost all noses arent 100% fully straight, but i mean visually ''straight'') can happen with any kind of maxilla, it just needs equal/balanced projection. The thing that does change is the angle of the tip if the maxilla becomes more forward.

Here we have 2 different types of ''straight'' (yes i know they might not be Pin straight) but in motion/real life they would be seen as straight.

The first one is from a user who put his side profile on org. His maxilla is recessed, you can see this by looking at the recessed nose bridge and downturned tip. But because all the parts are about equaly recessed the nose still looks straight rather then hooked or upturned.

The second one is my nose, taken from the exact same angle as the first one (a perfect staight side profile picture with a camera on arm lenght distance, no tilted angles or anything)

i would be considerd extremely forward grown, maybe top 0.1% in the current western world.

As you can see, both noses are about straight. But the nose supported by the recessed maxilla has a downturned tip and a recessed nose bridge. Meanwhile my nose who sits on an extremely forward grown maxilla has an upturned tip and a forward grown nose bridge. Still both noses would be considerd ''straight'' in real life.

Of course there are many more factors that can influence nose shape, such as downward growth. Ofcourse ''nose genetics'' might also have some influence, but less then most people think. Sadly explaining everything would make this thread too long.


Thank You for reading my thread, i hope you learned something

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[4lexx_skiral]

I will add pictures, wait a minute.

 

[Bryce]

It's all genetics.

 

[4lexx_skiral]

It's all genetics.

Mostly maxilla genetics/development. You can have good maxilla genetics but because of bad habits it can grow down or less forward causing a different nose.

 

[grootmeester15]

W information

 

[gario]

Mostly maxilla genetics/development. You can have good maxilla genetics but because of bad habits it can grow down or less forward causing a different nose.

Nose is mostly genetic. Even if u have perfect maxilla ur nose can look hooked and u made gandy look like fucking Dog.

 

[grootmeester15]

Nose is mostly genetic. Even if u have perfect maxilla ur nose can look hooked and u made gandy look like fucking Dog.

I dont think you understood his thread

 

[4lexx_skiral]

Nose is mostly genetic. Even if u have perfect maxilla ur nose can look hooked and u made gandy look like fucking Dog.

what do you mean with perfect maxilla? If you mean a forward grown maxilla with all parts being balance a hooked nose would be very rare. Unless you maybe have a lower radix like o’pry. Which can give the illusion of a hooked nose.

 

[gario]

what do you mean with perfect maxilla? If you mean a forward grown maxilla with all parts being balance a hooked nose would be very rare. Unless you maybe have a lower radix like o’pry. Which can give the illusion of a hooked nose.

 

[4lexx_skiral]

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You proved my point

 

[gario]

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You proved my point

Philitrum is also purely genetic. U dont need to make it smaller. If u have recessed maxilla. Ur cheekbones and under eyes will look shit. Most of ur features will look pure shit if u actual had one.

 

[4lexx_skiral]

@gario I think you might misinterpreted my thread or something. What i am saying is just factually true. Your maxilla determines for like 95% how your nose looks. Most people who get rhino just need a better/more equally balanced maxilla.

Thats why people with a hooked nose who get a lefort 1 (moving the lower part of the maxilla forward) get straighter noses after. Also if your upper and lower maxilla are both good but your lower lacks in comparison to your upper a hooked nose doesnt matter. It just makes you look more masculine, like gandy or the guy on the picture you showed

The cause for most rhinoplasties is recessed maxilla

I randomly came across this homepage of a rhinoplasty doctor, what Ive instantly noticed was that around 80-90% of men who had rhinoplasty with this Doc are normies and have either a recessed maxilla or recessed mandible: https://www.drshahidi.com/gallery/rhinoplasty-gallery-male/ Its actually...

looksmax.org

 

[IamMelonMan]

W

 

[Socialist Osaka]

Can i send you some pics?
Good thread btw.

 

[4lexx_skiral]

Can i send you some pics?
Good thread btw.

Thank you, yes ofcourse you can

 

[CookieGuy]

your nose shape is not “nose genetics”. It’s shaped by the way your maxilla projects.

The nasal bones and cartilage sit on the maxilla like a roof on a house.

I will show you different examples with morphs while learning you on how the maxilla shaped them. These morphs aren't always 1:1 with real life facial development but they're just here to give you a clear visual idea of how maxilla influences the nose directly.

Lets take Gandy as an example, he has a hooked nose ''characterized by a prominent nasal bridge that curves downward, often featuring a drooping tip''

The Hooked nose is caused by a maxilla that has better upper projection relative to lower maxilla projection, the upper maxilla causes a forward nasal bridge , while a RELATIVE weaker lower maxilla fails to support the tip properly → tip drops = hooked nose

View attachment 4768016View attachment 4768018
more lower maxilla = upward tip rotation & straighter nose for Gandy.

The forward push supports the forward grown nosebridge caused by the upper maxilla.
Thats why people who do DJS (moving the lefort 1 area forward which gets them more lower maxilla projection) go from hooked to straight noses or from straight to upturned.

View attachment 4768009View attachment 4768012

This makes it easy to understand for every nose type.

Upturned nose = Better lower maxilla then upper maxilla. Lets see what happens if we give chico more upper maxilla projection but keep his lower maxilla the same

View attachment 4768020View attachment 4768024

And if we give gandy less upper maxilla projection but keep his lower maxilla the same
View attachment 4768026View attachment 4768027

A straight nose (theoretically almost all noses arent 100% fully straight, but i mean visually ''straight'') can happen with any kind of maxilla, it just needs equal/balanced projection. The thing that does change is the angle of the tip if the maxilla becomes more forward.

Here we have 2 different types of ''straight'' (yes i know they might not be Pin straight) but in motion/real life they would be seen as straight.

View attachment 4768030View attachment 4768031

The first one is from a user who put his side profile on org. His maxilla is recessed, you can see this by looking at the recessed nose bridge and downturned tip. But because all the parts are about equaly recessed the nose still looks straight rather then hooked or upturned.

The second one is my nose, taken from the exact same angle as the first one (a perfect staight side profile picture with a camera on arm lenght distance, no tilted angles or anything)

i would be considerd extremely forward grown, maybe top 0.1% in the current western world.

As you can see, both noses are about straight. But the nose supported by the recessed maxilla has a downturned tip and a recessed nose bridge. Meanwhile my nose who sits on an extremely forward grown maxilla has an upturned tip and a forward grown nose bridge. Still both noses would be considerd ''straight'' in real life.

Of course there are many more factors that can influence nose shape, such as downward growth. Ofcourse ''nose genetics'' might also have some influence, but less then most people think. Sadly explaining everything would make this thread too long.


Thank You for reading my thread, i hope you learned something

Please leave a like if you enjoyed it

How would you fix a side profile that looks like the recessed guy you sent

 

[Socialist Osaka]

Thank you, yes ofcourse you can

Send me a dm, i dont have enough reputation to "start conversation" feature

 

[4lexx_skiral]

How would you fix a side profile that looks like the recessed guy you sent

I send you a dm

 

[4lexx_skiral]

How would you fix a side profile that looks like the recessed guy you sent

Since its a maxilla problem, marpe + facemask or lefort.

 

[NeedUndereyeSupport]

Philitrum is also purely genetic. U dont need to make it smaller. If u have recessed maxilla. Ur cheekbones and under eyes will look shit. Most of ur features will look pure shit if u actual had one.


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How if recessed maxilla bad undereyes? Thought orbitals mainly determine that

 

[Anjixss]

Nose is mostly genetic. Even if u have perfect maxilla ur nose can look hooked and u made gandy look like fucking Dog.

I’m exhibit A, insane maxillery projection but nose is still hooked cause my radix has an exit angle of 0 fucking degrees and my rhinion is pointed to the sky

 

[4lexx_skiral]

I’m exhibit A, insane maxillery projection but nose is still hooked cause my radix has an exit angle of 0 fucking degrees and my rhinion is pointed to the sky

Atleast you have a projected maxilla. A “bad” nose becomes less relevant (in motion) when your maxilla is developed.

 

[Anjixss]

Atleast you have a projected maxilla. A “bad” nose becomes less relevant (in motion) when your maxilla is developed.

Yeah im not mad at my nose I’m more impressed at the fact that I have Cameron alborzian level maxillery projection and that shits still somehow hooked

 

[4lexx_skiral]

Yeah im not mad at my nose I’m more impressed at the fact that I have Cameron alborzian level maxillery projection and that shits still somehow hooked

Maxilla is law.

Most failos are created by a recessed/less forward grown maxilla.

If you have a projected maxilla and your mandible catches up you will mog in motion.

But the lensdistortion is brutal.

Your extra prone to it since all the forward growth gets pressed together in a 2d image.

If the z-axis represents how far forward grown you are , then the larger the z-value, the more distortion is needed to compress a 3D face into a flat 2D image. Nicki Minaj is a great example

Very good forward growth:

Distored into a 2d picture:

 

[Anjixss]

Maxilla is law.

Most failos are created by a recessed/less forward grown maxilla.

If you have a projected maxilla and your mandible catches up you will mog in motion.

But the lensdistortion is brutal.

Your extra prone to it since all the forward growth gets pressed together in a 2d image.

If the z-axis represents how far forward grown you are , then the larger the z-value, the more distortion is needed to compress a 3D face into a flat 2D image. Nicki Minaj is a great example

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Very good forward growth:
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Distored into a 2d picture:
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Yeah I look like a fucking dog in most close up photos, but I don’t mind it that much

 

[4lexx_skiral]

How if recessed maxilla bad undereyes? Thought orbitals mainly determine that

The maxilla contributes to the orbits. Recessed/downgrown maxilla and bad undereyes support are strongely correlated.

 

[NeedUndereyeSupport]

The maxilla contributes to the orbits. Recessed/downgrown maxilla and bad undereyes support are strongely correlated.

So if I were to fix my maxilla with surgery, my undereyes would be improved,

 

[4lexx_skiral]

So if I were to fix my maxilla with surgery, my undereyes would be improved,

Realistically with maxilla surgery you can only fix the lefort 1 area, which doesnt involve the orbits. lefort 2 and lefort 3 fractures involve the orbit. But no surgeon would give an avarage person a lefort 2/3. What might work is marpe to split the maxilla open, combining it with maybe something like an alt-ramec protocol to make microfractures in the upper part of the maxilla so you would be able to pull it forward with a facemask. Potentialy fixing bad undereye support

 

[NeedUndereyeSupport]

Realistically with maxilla surgery you can only fix the lefort 1 area, which doesnt involve the orbits. lefort 2 and lefort 3 fractures involve the orbit. But no surgeon would give an avarage person a lefort 2/3. What might work is marpe to split the maxilla open, combining it with maybe something like an alt-ramec protocol to make microfractures in the upper part of the maxilla so you would be able to pull it forward with a facemask. Potentialy fixing bad undereye support

I am unfamiliar with ‘alt-ramec’ protocol. That seems quite expensive, don’t you think a simple fat graft will be less expensive? Though I am down for whatever. My orbitals are death tier.

 

[4lexx_skiral]

I am unfamiliar with ‘alt-ramec’ protocol. That seems quite expensive, don’t you think a simple fat graft will be less expensive? Though I am down for whatever. My orbitals are death tier.

A fat graft could work, but it has more complications/more unpredictable. The fat cells can die for example. In my opinion infraorbitals implants are better. They are 100% permanent, more precise and just better overall.

 

[APOSTLE333]

your nose shape is not “nose genetics”. It’s shaped by the way your maxilla projects.

The nasal bones and cartilage sit on the maxilla like a roof on a house.

I will show you different examples with morphs while learning you on how the maxilla shaped them. These morphs aren't always 1:1 with real life facial development but they're just here to give you a clear visual idea of how maxilla influences the nose directly.

Lets take Gandy as an example, he has a hooked nose ''characterized by a prominent nasal bridge that curves downward, often featuring a drooping tip''

The Hooked nose is caused by a maxilla that has better upper projection relative to lower maxilla projection, the upper maxilla causes a forward nasal bridge , while a RELATIVE weaker lower maxilla fails to support the tip properly → tip drops = hooked nose

View attachment 4768016View attachment 4768018
more lower maxilla = upward tip rotation & straighter nose for Gandy.

The forward push supports the forward grown nosebridge caused by the upper maxilla.
Thats why people who do DJS (moving the lefort 1 area forward which gets them more lower maxilla projection) go from hooked to straight noses or from straight to upturned.

View attachment 4768009View attachment 4768012

This makes it easy to understand for every nose type.

Upturned nose = Better lower maxilla then upper maxilla. Lets see what happens if we give chico more upper maxilla projection but keep his lower maxilla the same

View attachment 4768020View attachment 4768024

And if we give gandy less upper maxilla projection but keep his lower maxilla the same
View attachment 4768026View attachment 4768027

A straight nose (theoretically almost all noses arent 100% fully straight, but i mean visually ''straight'') can happen with any kind of maxilla, it just needs equal/balanced projection. The thing that does change is the angle of the tip if the maxilla becomes more forward.

Here we have 2 different types of ''straight'' (yes i know they might not be Pin straight) but in motion/real life they would be seen as straight.

View attachment 4768030View attachment 4768031

The first one is from a user who put his side profile on org. His maxilla is recessed, you can see this by looking at the recessed nose bridge and downturned tip. But because all the parts are about equaly recessed the nose still looks straight rather then hooked or upturned.

The second one is my nose, taken from the exact same angle as the first one (a perfect staight side profile picture with a camera on arm lenght distance, no tilted angles or anything)

i would be considerd extremely forward grown, maybe top 0.1% in the current western world.

As you can see, both noses are about straight. But the nose supported by the recessed maxilla has a downturned tip and a recessed nose bridge. Meanwhile my nose who sits on an extremely forward grown maxilla has an upturned tip and a forward grown nose bridge. Still both noses would be considerd ''straight'' in real life.

Of course there are many more factors that can influence nose shape, such as downward growth. Ofcourse ''nose genetics'' might also have some influence, but less then most people think. Sadly explaining everything would make this thread too long.


Thank You for reading my thread, i hope you learned something

Please leave a like if you enjoyed it

didnt read but it seems high effort, mirin

 

[NeedUndereyeSupport]

A fat graft could work, but it has more complications/more unpredictable. The fat cells can die for example. In my opinion infraorbitals implants are better. They are 100% permanent, more precise and just better overall.

Are infraorbital implants the only option for a 15-16yr trying to fix their recession?

 

[4lexx_skiral]

Are infraorbital implants the only option for a 15-16yr trying to fix their recession?

Are only your infras recessed or entire maxilla?

 

[NeedUndereyeSupport]

Are only your infras recessed or entire maxilla?

Infras recessed, maxilla is flat, not entirely recessed. I’m 99% sure I qualify for a bimax. Class 2 skeletal malocclusion. Really just my infras that bother me.

 

[4lexx_skiral]

Infras recessed, maxilla is flat, not entirely recessed. I’m 99% sure I qualify for a bimax. Class 2 skeletal malocclusion. Really just my infras that bother me.

In some cases insurance can cover marpe, but since you have class 2 and not class 3 this is less likely to be coverd by insurance. If you want go get it fixed for both health and looks try getting bimax coverd by insurance and get infraorbital implants if you feel the need to. Just make sure to not get any camouflage orthodonitcs, always fix it skeletal (if the problem is skeletal, ofc)

 

[NeedUndereyeSupport]

In some cases insurance can cover marpe, but since you have class 2 and not class 3 this is less likely to be coverd by insurance. If you want go get it fixed for both health and looks try getting bimax coverd by insurance and get infraorbital implants if you feel the need to. Just make sure to not get any camouflage orthodonitcs, always fix it skeletal (if the problem is skeletal, ofc)

Yeah, that’s part of the issue. My ortho completely ignored my issues and gave me class two bands to correct my bite, I stopped wearing them and currently trying to email them. I’m not trying to have sleep apnea like my father. Also, do you know if infra implants would be covered by insurance if deemed as reconstructive?

 

[4lexx_skiral]

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[4lexx_skiral]

Yeah, that’s part of the issue. My ortho completely ignored my issues and gave me class two bands to correct my bite, I stopped wearing them and currently trying to email them. I’m not trying to have sleep apnea like my father. Also, do you know if infra implants would be covered by insurance if deemed as reconstructive?

I think that the change insurance covers infra implants are very low - 0% since they dont serve a medical purpose in modern human life

 

[NeedUndereyeSupport]

I think that the change insurance covers infra implants are very low - 0% since they dont serve a medical purpose in modern human life

Yeah, that’s a good point, you’re probably right. Do you think I could potentially get the bimax covered?

 

[gario]

How if recessed maxilla bad undereyes? Thought orbitals mainly determine that

if u have true recessed maxilla. U will have more problems than bad undereyes. Thin underskin skin can make ur eyes look darker but they are not related to Infraorbital recession. Recession is will make u r eyes looks very bad.

 

[4lexx_skiral]

Yeah, that’s a good point, you’re probably right. Do you think I could potentially get the bimax covered?

If you have health problems/are clearly recessed and live in a country with a good organized health system, then yes.