Nose: everything you didn't know, but need to know

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Dastan said:
What is it?
- This is my own method of nasal shape analysis that I developed personally, it's not based on any known system of analysis used in scientific papers, only because any system or approach I've found in cephalometric analysis in relation to nasal morphology was either not relevant enough to attractiveness or didn't have a single, useful universal formula, which includes all the relevant parameters to determine how close a particular nose shape to "perfection".

What this method does:
- This method allows you to determine how close to perfection a particular nose shape (side profile) on a spectrum from downturned → perfect → upturned. You may ask: "Why can't I just look at the nose and determine it intuitively?", and you indeed can. But as there's a lot of counteracting parameters, so it's not that easy to account for each of them intuitively. This method includes all the relationships of the relevant nose shape parameters to determine accurate results despite the complexity of interactions of all parameters between each other. Basically, this way you can get a single accurate answer (value), which includes all the relevant parameters.

Why only side profile nose shape?
- This method DOES account for some crucial nose shape parameters when viewing from front, even tho I don't analyze the front pic, you'll get how by the end of this post
- Other nose parameters from the front aren't complicated, no reason to make any analysis system cos it's just:
1. 0.67x of the mouth width (if mouth width is fine, lol)
2. 1/5 of bizygomatic width (if it's fine too)
3. At least a bit refined nose tip.

How this method works:
- Nose shape can be either too downturned and droopy looking, perfect, or too upturned (too short).
- Both downturned and upturned are not ideal.
- To avoid any measurement errors, the picture is always aligned in Frankfurt plane before you start the analysis.
-There are 4 parameters to determine where a person's nose shape falls under on the mentioned spectrum:
1. Dorsal angle (counting deviation from 180° or straight line)

View attachment 3348478

2. Supratip break angle (counting deviation from 180° = straight line)

View attachment 3348480

3. Nostrils axis angle (inclination to horizon)

View attachment 3348483
This one is a bit tricky: you need to connect the posterior endpoint of nostrils and the anterior upper endpoint of nostrils.

4. Septum inclination angle (inclination to horizon)

View attachment 3348486

The perfect values for each of 4 angles are:
1. Dorsal angle - 0° (straight nose).
2. Supratip angle - 0° or slightly above.
3. Nostrils axis angle - 7°.
4. Septum inclination angle - 10° to 15°.

The final formula (I'll use Delon values as an example):
1. X = Sum of person's values for dorsal and supratip angles.
X = 0 (dorsal angle) + 15 (supratip angle) = +15
2. Y1 = Person's value minus perfect value for nostrils axis angle.
Y1 = 7 (nostrils axis angle) - 7 (perfect value) = 0
3. Y2 = Person's value minus perfect value for septum inclination angle.
Y2 = 8 - 13 = -5
4. Y = (Y1 + Y2) / 2
Y = (0 + (-5)) / 2 = -2.5
5. X + Y = Person's total nose shape value.
X + Y = +12.5

Interpretation of the results. Person total nose shape value:

Downturned shape:
-30° up to -40°: maximum downturned nose shape = lower end is turbo unappealing.
-20° to -30°: significantly downturned nose shape = lower end is significantly unappealing.
-10° to -20°: not perfect, but fine = not much of a looksmin at this point (but lower = worse).

Example:

View attachment 3348609
Gandy is around -36°

View attachment 3348677
Opry is around -10°

Perfect shape:
0° to -10°: around perfect = practically perfect (but lower = worse).
0° to +10°: perfect.
+10° to +15°: around perfect = practically perfect (but lower = better).

Example:
View attachment 3348686
Delon is +12.5°

Upturned shape:
+15° to +25°: not perfect, but fine = not much of a looksmin at this point (but lower = better).
+25° to +35°: significantly upturned nose shape = higher end is significantly unappealing.
+35° up to +45°: maximum upturned nose shape = higher end is turbo unappealing.

Example:
View attachment 3348730
Basso is around +35° here

Accuracy:
This method is pretty accurate, cos even if you mess any angle by a couple of degrees, it's not that sensitive and the result values would still reflect the actual nose shape.

Limitations:
This method does not include everything. So there's still a really low chance of having a bad looking nose despite having the perfect values according to my method. It's not cos I don't know how to include everything, I know exactly how to make it work every single time. I keep it this way just to reduce the unnecessary complexity of the analysis, cos the chances of inaccurate results are so low, it's not worth it to include all the not so generally useful but time-consuming angles just to avoid the chance of 1 inaccurate result out of like 1000.

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Dastan said:
my advice for you is to learn to read without assistance first, but here is some help for now:

"Nah, masculine features = always better (not deformed tier proportions, within perfect ranges for every facial feature).
Tom welling looks better with increased dimorphism:
View attachment 3363016 vs View attachment 3363217"
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Sure bro lol. You’re not snaking your way into sounding smart. You’re still saying your altered version of tom welling looks better than the face he has already. It does not
 
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Send ass
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Dastan said:
What is it?
- This is my own method of nasal shape analysis that I developed personally, it's not based on any known system of analysis used in scientific papers, only because any system or approach I've found in cephalometric analysis in relation to nasal morphology was either not relevant enough to attractiveness or didn't have a single, useful universal formula, which includes all the relevant parameters to determine how close a particular nose shape to "perfection".

What this method does:
- This method allows you to determine how close to perfection a particular nose shape (side profile) on a spectrum from downturned → perfect → upturned. You may ask: "Why can't I just look at the nose and determine it intuitively?", and you indeed can. But as there's a lot of counteracting parameters, so it's not that easy to account for each of them intuitively. This method includes all the relationships of the relevant nose shape parameters to determine accurate results despite the complexity of interactions of all parameters between each other. Basically, this way you can get a single accurate answer (value), which includes all the relevant parameters.

Why only side profile nose shape?
- This method DOES account for some crucial nose shape parameters when viewing from front, even tho I don't analyze the front pic, you'll get how by the end of this post
- Other nose parameters from the front aren't complicated, no reason to make any analysis system cos it's just:
1. 0.67x of the mouth width (if mouth width is fine, lol)
2. 1/5 of bizygomatic width (if it's fine too)
3. At least a bit refined nose tip.

How this method works:
- Nose shape can be either too downturned and droopy looking, perfect, or too upturned (too short).
- Both downturned and upturned are not ideal.
- To avoid any measurement errors, the picture is always aligned in Frankfurt plane before you start the analysis.
-There are 4 parameters to determine where a person's nose shape falls under on the mentioned spectrum:
1. Dorsal angle (counting deviation from 180° or straight line)

View attachment 3348478

2. Supratip break angle (counting deviation from 180° = straight line)

View attachment 3348480

3. Nostrils axis angle (inclination to horizon)

View attachment 3348483
This one is a bit tricky: you need to connect the posterior endpoint of nostrils and the anterior upper endpoint of nostrils.

4. Septum inclination angle (inclination to horizon)

View attachment 3348486

The perfect values for each of 4 angles are:
1. Dorsal angle - 0° (straight nose).
2. Supratip angle - 0° or slightly above.
3. Nostrils axis angle - 7°.
4. Septum inclination angle - 10° to 15°.

The final formula (I'll use Delon values as an example):
1. X = Sum of person's values for dorsal and supratip angles.
X = 0 (dorsal angle) + 15 (supratip angle) = +15
2. Y1 = Person's value minus perfect value for nostrils axis angle.
Y1 = 7 (nostrils axis angle) - 7 (perfect value) = 0
3. Y2 = Person's value minus perfect value for septum inclination angle.
Y2 = 8 - 13 = -5
4. Y = (Y1 + Y2) / 2
Y = (0 + (-5)) / 2 = -2.5
5. X + Y = Person's total nose shape value.
X + Y = +12.5

Interpretation of the results. Person total nose shape value:

Downturned shape:
-30° up to -40°: maximum downturned nose shape = lower end is turbo unappealing.
-20° to -30°: significantly downturned nose shape = lower end is significantly unappealing.
-10° to -20°: not perfect, but fine = not much of a looksmin at this point (but lower = worse).

Example:

View attachment 3348609
Gandy is around -36°

View attachment 3348677
Opry is around -10°

Perfect shape:
0° to -10°: around perfect = practically perfect (but lower = worse).
0° to +10°: perfect.
+10° to +15°: around perfect = practically perfect (but lower = better).

Example:
View attachment 3348686
Delon is +12.5°

Upturned shape:
+15° to +25°: not perfect, but fine = not much of a looksmin at this point (but lower = better).
+25° to +35°: significantly upturned nose shape = higher end is significantly unappealing.
+35° up to +45°: maximum upturned nose shape = higher end is turbo unappealing.

Example:
View attachment 3348730
Basso is around +35° here

Accuracy:
This method is pretty accurate, cos even if you mess any angle by a couple of degrees, it's not that sensitive and the result values would still reflect the actual nose shape.

Limitations:
This method does not include everything. So there's still a really low chance of having a bad looking nose despite having the perfect values according to my method. It's not cos I don't know how to include everything, I know exactly how to make it work every single time. I keep it this way just to reduce the unnecessary complexity of the analysis, cos the chances of inaccurate results are so low, it's not worth it to include all the not so generally useful but time-consuming angles just to avoid the chance of 1 inaccurate result out of like 1000.

Tags:
@maxilla-not-found @zombey
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Good username
 
I got an idea to automate the whole process of measurement, so you can get your nose shape analysis in a couple of clicks:
- The user uploads his side profile in frankfurt plane
- The web app asks the user to place all the related landmarks, required to figure out the users nose shape
- User places the landmarks
- The web app automatically calculates the final value following the formulas logic mentioned in the nose shape thread
- The user gets his nose shape results in simple terms

Good idea?
 
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Richard Deiss best nose?

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Dastan said:
I got an idea to automate the whole process of measurement, so you can get your nose shape analysis in a couple of clicks:
- The user uploads his side profile in frankfurt plane
- The web app asks the user to place all the related landmarks, required to figure out the users nose shape
- User places the landmarks
- The web app automatically calculates the final value following the formulas logic mentioned in the nose shape thread
- The user gets his nose shape results in simple terms

Good idea?
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Yeah good idea
 
UPDATE:
Basically, I transformed this manual nose shape analysis method, which is based on manual nose shape angles measurements and equations calculations, (I'm sure nobody does that) into automatic nose shape calculator app, which is using the same methods, but you don't actually have to do 80% of the work, you just need to place the landmarks which the app suggests.

Link to this nose shape analysis app: https://ratios-calculator.ascendbase.pro/
Link to the upgraded nose shape analysis method (which the app is currently using): https://www.ascendbase.pro/nose.html

I also made a quick vid on how to use it:
 
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