NPC trait: considering incest to be inherently "bad"

[LampPostPrime]

You brought it up as a point of dismissing incest as a viable reproductive strategy.


Social stigmas against incest convince normies that incest is bad. Laws are essentially just documented social stigmas. Children are convinced by their parents to not have sex with their siblings and those parents were convinced to enforce that due to social stigmas against incest. Parents are also convinced to not have sex with their offspring due to fear of punishment by the power establishment.

Are you also a based mommy lover?

 

[Reckless Turtle]

I'm not dismissing incest. LOL Bro, I care about reaching the truth, but I also have moral principles, if incest was advantageous to my current objective regarding wellbeing, I would take the position. That's the odd thing, simple people take every statement as an attack on them and a representation of my position. I actually never gave my position on incest, I'm just analyzing why people would be against incest. I'm just working with the idea, I'm not even really challenging you because I can see you are just working with motivated reasoning, a true NPC trait. I just rarely get to work with the idea of "incest" because I don't want to be associated with talking about it anywhere else.

You said this:

Put simply, can you even imagine fucking your own mother? Unless you are porn fucked, that idea shouldn't even cross your mind.

Then I explained to you that being "porn fucked" has little to do with the situation, as most people do not have attractive mothers in the first place and would not have a prioritized interest in having sex with them.

Also, you misquoted me. I specifically added that I was referring to you dismissing the reproductive viability of incest.

I'm not working with motivated reasoning from the perspective of being motivated to engage in incest. The entire purpose of this post was highlighting the hypocrisy of being against incest while still being natalistic.

Consider, not every family is bound by law and social stigmas, why aren't they fucking?

They would, just like most other mammals. Incest isn't even very uncommon among humans currently.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Are you also a based mommy lover?

This isn't a fetish post.

 

[Deleted member 29796]

You literally said this:

Then I explained to you that being "porn fucked" has little to do with the situation, as most people do not have attractive mothers in the first place and would not have a prioritized interest in having sex with them.

Also, you misquoted me. I specifically added that I was referring to you dismissing the reproductive viability of incest.

I'm not working with motivated reasoning from the perspective of being motivated to engage in incest. The entire purpose of this point was highlighting the hypocrisy of being against incest while still being natalistic.


They would, just like most other mammals. Incest isn't even very uncommon among humans currently.

I never argued against the productive viability of incest, I said, that position is usually just a surface topic when dealing with incest, it has nothing to do with immorality beyond the quality of life that offspring will have.

And on the "can you imagine fucking your own mother", yeah, that's my point, I'm trying to get to the mental, that's why I noted porn, I don't think it would be mentally natural to want to fuck your mom without the influence of porn. I'm speaking to the mental aspect, once again.

On the motivated reasoning, you definitely are since you won't even acknowledging I'm not arguing against incest, I'm arguing about why people don't normally partake in incest, and why it isn't the law, I'm trying to get to the mind, once again.

They would, just like most other mammals. Incest isn't even very uncommon among humans currently.

And how did you reach this conclusion?

 

[Reckless Turtle]

I don't think it would be mentally natural to want to fuck your mom without the influence of porn.

If a boy has a sexually attractive mother then he's more likely to be sexually attracted to her. Porn is irrelevant as mother-son incest has existed long before porn.

And how did you reach this conclusion?

Many rural areas frequently arrange marriages between cousins, and sexual activity between parents and offspring and between siblings is underreported. Obviously, it's impossible to provide accurate data on incest rates but I'm simply making a confident assumption.

 

[Deleted member 29796]

If a boy has a sexually attractive mother then he's more likely to be sexually attracted to her. Porn is irrelevant as mother-son incest has existed long before porn.


Many rural areas frequently arrange marriages between cousins, and sexual activity between parents and offspring and between siblings is underreported. Obviously, it's impossible to provide accurate data on incest rates but I'm simply making a confident assumption.

Yeah, these are bad assumptions. I'm off the brain stuff, it's crazy you can't see the motivated reasoning on your part. On the other part, bro, one big issue with incest is consent. Kids can't consent, and they don't understand sex, at all, or sexual relationships. Which goes back to the power dynamics situation.


I just watched this video, and agree with his approach, I'm hoping you will abandon your current line of reasoning because it will get you laughed out of any serious place. Understand, this video is arguing in favor of your position, so it's not like I'm saying arguments in favor of legalization are wrong, I'm actually providing you with a resource:




LOL Ironically he approached the beginning just as I noted in my first reply, which is that this is a very surface level argument, it's not something serious people even consider. So, that video is a much better version of your argument. On the brain stuff, I refuse to argue further on that because you won't abandon your motivated reasoning.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Yeah, these are bad assumptions. I'm off the brain stuff, it's crazy you can't see the motivated reasoning on your part. On the other part, bro, one big issue with incest is consent. Kids can't consent, and they don't understand sex, at all, or sexual relationships. Which goes back to the power dynamics situation.


I just watched this video, and agree with his approach, I'm hoping you will abandon your current line of reasoning because it will get you laughed out of any serious place. Understand, this video is arguing in favor of your position, so it's not like I'm saying arguments in favor of legalization are wrong, I'm actually providing you with a resource:




LOL Ironically he approached the beginning just as I noted in my first reply, which is that this is a very surface level argument, it's not something serious people even consider. So, that video is a much better version of your argument. On the brain stuff, I refuse to argue further on that because you won't abandon your motivated reasoning.

There was never any motivated reasoning for whatever you're implying. You simply decided to off on tangents and make strawman arguments.

Nothing in the OP suggests children, as they are unable to reproduce.

 

[Deleted member 29796]

There was never any motivated reasoning for whatever you're implying. You simply decided to off on tangents and make strawman arguments.

Nothing in the OP suggests children, as they are unable to reproduce.

Yeah, under 18, they can't consent as well, and I would even argue, in line with objective facts about the brain, they can't consent until ~25, tracking that with data would greatly improve outcomes for children and households. Households fair significantly better when started later in life, only arguments against that would be about the economy.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Yeah, under 18, they can't consent as well, and I would even argue, in line with objective facts about the brain, they can't consent until ~25, tracking that with data would greatly improve outcomes for children and households. Households fair significantly better when started later in life, only arguments against that would be about the economy.

The objective fact about the brain is that it peaks in mass at around age 16 for females and 19 for males.

Brain size - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Deleted member 29796]

The objective fact about the brain is that it peaks in mass at around age 16 for females and 19 for males.

Brain size - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

And of the prefrontal cortex?

 

[Deleted member 30402]

I mean objectively there’s nothing wrong with it if its consensual and doesn’t involve reproduction, but it’s just off-putting at a basic level.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

And of the prefrontal cortex?

Do you have evidence of it developing later?

 

[Deleted member 29796]

Do you have evidence of it developing later?

This is where we approach bad faith territory.

Be honest, do you genuinely believe there is no evidence to support this or are you genuinely asking me if there is evidence to support this because this is your first time hearing of it?

 

[Kamui]

Blud typed this post from Alabama cousin fucker ahhhh nigga

 

[Reckless Turtle]

but it’s just off-putting at a basic level.

At the basic level of your conditioning.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

This is where we approach bad faith territory.

Be honest, do you genuinely believe there is no evidence to support this or are you genuinely asking me if there is evidence to support this because this is your first time hearing of it?

It isn't in bad faith for me to ask you to support your claims.

 

[Deleted member 29796]

It isn't in bad faith for me to ask you to support your claims.

Be honest, do you genuinely believe there is no evidence to support this or are you genuinely asking me if there is evidence to support this because this is your first time hearing of it?

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Be honest, do you genuinely believe there is no evidence to support this or are you genuinely asking me if there is evidence to support this because this is your first time hearing of it?

If you're going to go down the route of weaseling out of supporting your claims then this is a dead-end conversation.

 

[Lebgfinal]

Alpha males don't think about incest and its consequences, they simply have sex with their siblings at age 14.

Ur are retarded

 

[Lebgfinal]

If you're going to go down the route of weaseling out of supporting your claims then this is a dead-end conversation.

Just search Whittaker family and tell me incest is good

 

[Deleted member 30402]

At the basic level of your conditioning.

It’s degenerate. Just like homosexuality, transsexuality, pedophilia, beastiality, promiscuity, BDSM, etc. Any form of intercourse outside the context of a consensual, heterosexual, monogamous relationship = degenerate.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Ur are retarded

Ironic.

Just search Whittaker family and tell me incest is good

Just don't read the OP and then tell me what to search.

 

[Lebgfinal]

Ironic.


Just don't read the OP and then tell me what to search.

Yeah didn’t read

 

[Reckless Turtle]

It’s degenerate.

You haven't explained why.

Breeding in general is degenerate.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Yeah didn’t read

 

[Deleted member 29796]

If you're going to go down the route of weaseling out of supporting your claims then this is a dead-end conversation.

The general scientific consensus suggests the it doesn't reach full maturation until the around the age of 25. So that's why I'm asking you that, because if you never heard of it, I can provide the studies, but if you have heard of it and deny it, then I can't reason with you as you deny general consensus for scientific matters. lol

Synaptic Pruning: Definition, Early Childhood, and More

Synaptic pruning is a brain process that occurs between early childhood and adulthood. We'll tell you about research into how it affects certain conditions.

www.healthline.com

 

[Reckless Turtle]

I can provide the studies

 

[Deleted member 29796]

The studies are in the link... You don't read anything. lol

 

[Reckless Turtle]

The studies are in the link... You don't read anything. lol

I'm not reading through a Reddit thread and an unrelated article to find them when you apparently know where they are and could have linked them 30 minutes ago.

 

[Deleted member 29796]

I'm not reading through a Reddit thread and an unrelated article to find them when you apparently know where they are and could have linked them 30 minutes ago.

Yeah, I don't care to because you will just reject them, brainlet.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Yeah, I don't care to because you will just reject them

brainlet

Ironic.

 

[Deleted member 29796]

Ironic.

Bro, you are so fucking stupid. LOL Ping the high IQ brigade, get this thread looked over. You are a brainlet.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Bro, you are so fucking stupid. LOL Ping the high IQ brigade, get this thread looked over. You are a brainlet.

Ironic coming from the guy who can't even post a hyperlink to a single peer-reviewed study.

 

[Deleted member 29796]

Ironic coming from the guy who can't even post a hyperlink to a single peer-reviewed study.

How do you think the brain grows, specifically the prefrontal cortex? Do you believe the prefrontal cortex remains the same size and the same underlying properties from birth to adulthood? And what do you think is the function of the prefrontal cortex?

Not asking for much on this, just simple answers, your opinion.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Do you believe the prefrontal cortex remains the same size and the same underlying properties from birth to adulthood? And what do you think is the function of the prefrontal cortex?

No, it obviously changes in density/shape/size in response to stimuli, which has little to nothing to do with maturation past the teens for both sexes. That's like saying that a 30-year-old isn't finished maturing because they can potentially put on additional muscle mass. Just because muscular hypertrophy continues after maturation does not mean that muscular hypertrophy is indicative of maturation.

Not asking for much on this, just simple answers, your opinion.

After throwing a temper tantrum?

 

[DelonLover1999]

interesting thread, my first kiss was with a cousin at like 12 yrs old or smth
good memories, she got sick of me real fast though jfl

Ps: this is not a bragpost, I just got lucky asf

 

[Deleted member 29796]

No, it obviously changes in density/shape/size in response to stimuli, which has little to nothing to do with maturation past the teens for both sexes. That's like saying that a 30-year-old isn't finished maturing because they can potentially put on additional muscle mass. Just because muscular hypertrophy continues after maturation does not mean that muscular hypertrophy is indicative of maturation.


After throwing a temper tantrum?

Do you think there is a physical difference in size and properties of the prefrontal cortex between 15-18 and 25?

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Ps: this is not a bragpost, I just got lucky asf

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Do you think there is a physical difference in size and properties of the prefrontal cortex between 15-18 and 25?

Depending on the sex of the individual and exposure to certain stimuli, yes.

Do you think there is a physical difference in size and properties of muscle mass between 15-18 and 25?

Depending on the sex of the individual and exposure to certain stimuli, yes.

Do you think there is a physical difference in size and properties of the body fat between 15-18 and 25?

Depending on the sex of the individual and exposure to certain stimuli, yes.

Do you think there is a physical difference in size and properties of the hair follicles between 15-18 and 25?

Depending on the sex of the individual and exposure to certain stimuli, yes.

Do you think there is a physical difference in size and properties of the prostate between 15-18 and 65?

Depending on the sex of the individual and exposure to certain stimuli, yes.

 

[Deleted member 29796]

Depending on the sex of the individual and exposure to certain stimuli, yes.

Lets focus on one sex, females. Do you think there is a physical difference in size and properties of the prefrontal cortex between 15-18 and 25?

 

[Deleted member 29796]

@Crusile

Look how fucking stupid this guy is. I'm actually raging right now.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Lets focus on one sex, females. Do you think there is a physical difference in size and properties of the prefrontal cortex between 15-18 and 25?

Yes, but it will be less pronounced than in males because the female brain is already finished developing at the age of ~16, on average. By age 25, the brain will have technically shrunk in size due to aging, as per the graph I linked.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

@Crusile

Look how fucking stupid this guy is. I'm actually raging right now.

Reckless Turtle is the highest iq user and hes vegan.

Alwaya destroys morons by asking for source and (they never send source) LOL

 

[Deleted member 24781]

Because you said so?

No... The research into cousin marriage in Iceland says so.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

No... Research says so.

Waiting for it.

 

[Deleted member 29796]

Yes, but it will be less pronounced than in males because the female brain is already finished developing at the age of ~16, on average. By age 25, the brain will have technically shrunk in size due to aging, as per the graph I linked.

Lets focus on females. And what do you think is the function of the prefrontal cortex? And I'm not focusing on overall brain size, I'm focusing on the prefrontal cortex. I wondering if you deny the development of that specific region of the brain from ages 1-5-10-15-18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25.

 

[Deleted member 24781]

Waiting for it

Even a person who has a basic grasp on genetics will know that you're wrong.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

I wondering if you deny the development of that specific region of the brain from ages 1-5-10-15-18, 19

I'm not denying its development up until around here (for males, specifically—shave off a few years for females), as per my previous comments. Until you link a study suggesting otherwise, my mind isn't changing.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Even a person who has a basic grasp on genetics will know that you're wrong.

I have a basic grasp on genetics and you haven't proven me wrong.

 

[Deleted member 29796]

@Crusile will have to reassess his opinion. I'm wondering how @Reckless Turtle can be vegan but not acknowledge these properties of the brain, main point of veganism rests on sentience.

In this discussion, I want this guy to acknowledge minors can't consent as they don't understand the implications of a relationship, especially a sexual relationship. This position rests on the development of sentience, it's why we can distinguish between adult and child, and child and infant, and a fetus, and a pig.

I could see him wrecking brainlets but on the philosophy he seems simple as hell. Not all vegans are high IQ.