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TLDR:
NT-Pill is absolute cope. This thread should be the most water-wet shit but there's been too many NT-Pill spreading Propaganda here lately.
1. Looks form peoples first impression of you, even if told not to judge by looks
2. social skills are not real. Most of communication is body language and body language is pseudoscience
3."muh most people are average, looks only apply at extremes"
- 50% of population (foids) are extremely looks biased. NT-Copers like to produce some sort of stupid "debunking" of okupid or tinder studies, ignoring the huge body of data outside of these studies that demonstrates that looks is what makes people (both genders) react positively to you. Then you have to include the percentage of men that are obedient slaves to foids, which is huge. Ive seen this at my job, where simps joined foids in their campaign to bully a man out of his job because he was ugly.
This reduces the amount of people that you can apply your aquired NT-skills on even further than 50%. Women are doing 85-90% of all customer spending. Have been for long time (relevant book, "Generation of Vipers" from 1940s, already talked about women being 70% of customers).
NT-Pill is absolute cope. This thread should be the most water-wet shit but there's been too many NT-Pill spreading Propaganda here lately.
1. Looks form peoples first impression of you, even if told not to judge by looks
2. social skills are not real. Most of communication is body language and body language is pseudoscience
3."muh most people are average, looks only apply at extremes"
- 50% of population (foids) are extremely looks biased. NT-Copers like to produce some sort of stupid "debunking" of okupid or tinder studies, ignoring the huge body of data outside of these studies that demonstrates that looks is what makes people (both genders) react positively to you. Then you have to include the percentage of men that are obedient slaves to foids, which is huge. Ive seen this at my job, where simps joined foids in their campaign to bully a man out of his job because he was ugly.
This reduces the amount of people that you can apply your aquired NT-skills on even further than 50%. Women are doing 85-90% of all customer spending. Have been for long time (relevant book, "Generation of Vipers" from 1940s, already talked about women being 70% of customers).
The Purchasing Power of Women: Statistics | Girlpower Marketing
Women control over $20 trillion in world-wide spending. Learn more about the purchasing power of women, from Millennials to Baby Boomers, in various markets
girlpowermarketing.com
This data implies that a HUGE amount of men are giving HUGE amounts of their money to foids. Around 40% of the money women are spending has to come from men, aka simps. I want you to consider this. The vast majority of men are simps and will go along with foids judgement of other people. Women control the economy and social life with absolute dominance. You are dogshit, you have no power. Nothing you can do will change this. Society IS women. If you don't provide value to women, you are barred from entering society. Even when average looking, not having a gf or wife will exclude you from a lot of man-only activities because most dudes are dogs on the leash of their gfs/wifes.
The above information implies this: The argument that looks only matter at the extremes of society, aka for chads and ugly people, is false because all foids are looks-biased to an extreme. This removes 50% of the population from the pool of people you can "NT-maxx" on. Now, as I have shown, most guys are giga-simps, and or effeminate, further reducing this pool of people.
These "men" only interact with other men for the sake of mogging them and acquiring brownie points with women. Your NT-Skills wont work on them unless you mog them status wise or with looks. Their lives revolve around foids to an extreme degree.
How much are we left with? I can not tell you but lets say, 20% of men. Maybe. So basically the only people you can apply your "social skills" on will be ugly men, incels and autists. Which is why this forum exists in the first place. Boom, so we have come full circle and this is just provides further credence to determinism.
To bring this around to NT-Pill. It simply does not work. Your options are bowing to the system and becoming a betabuxxer or being lonely and rejected. Having a social life is not a choice. You have very little choice about very few things in life. You did not choose your place or time of birth. The skull grows to 90% of its adult mass in the first 5 years of life. Mouthbreathing causes ADHD and dental malocclusion and it depends on factors such as your mother breastfeeding you. Which you had no choice over.
Even if looks were not real. Even if NT-Pill was 100% true, life would still be deterministic. You still don't choose your parents, place of birth, the time and politics, economy, what you are fed when young which drastically impacts your future health and mental function...
Even if we made all these acknowledgements to NT-Copers, saying hands down it's all NT, it would not change the ultimate reality of life being deterministic.
You chose nothing. You are at the mercy of fate/God, whatever you choose to cope with. There is no reason to be proud of anything, no reason to have confidence in yourself. Your so called achievements have prospered from a soil you did not provide. Someone else might have had the same potential but his circumstance did not allow him to become anything.
I will not pretend to have a solution. Just like with everything else, the solution will find you when and if the time comes.
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The evidence for looks mattering above everything, in every single aspect of life, is overwhelming.
Both anecdotes and the scientific literature confirm this. The amount of research data is stunning.
For instance, take the confirmed fact that 90% of CEO's in America are above average height.
Height discrimination - Wikipedia
Think about what this means for you if you are below average height.
And anyone here who has ever held a job that wasn't playing minesweeper in the Gaza strip knows that tall people get promoted quickly,
that everyone in management and the upper echelon of the corporate structure is usually above average height, even in small companies.
People simply do not trust average to below-average height people with responsibility.
Your looks literally anchor you in life. It even works both ways. Yes, bad looking people can't get higher-tier jobs because people can't see an ugly person having high status (study below), BUT - good looking people also have a harder time applying for low-tier jobs!
Study: Managers don't want to hire beautiful people for less desirable jobs
They don't hate them because they're beautiful — it's more complicated.
Study: Attractive People Have A Harder Time Landing Low-Level Jobs
Studies have found that work life is generally easier for good-looking people. But researchers just hit on the thing that’s harder for attractive people: Getting a less desirable job.
www.forbes.com
GOOD NEWS THOUGH BECAUSE BEING UGLY MAKES IT EASIER TO GET A JOB AT MACSHIT LMFAOOOOO
fucking kill me.
Now, we could go on listing supporting studies here, we could probably accumulate hundreds of papers if necessary.
Just from a really really sloppy google search that took me half an hour, I came up with THIRTY-THREE relevant links:
Debunking Body Language
Does "body language" deserve its current status as a hot topic? Not really. It’s just another example of useful analysis spun out of control.
www.dmagazine.com
7 Surprising Truths about Body Language
Much of what the so-called experts will tell you about body language is wrong.
www.forbes.com
Social skills begin to decline in late 30s and early 40s, study finds
It’s part of a field of work to collect long-term data on how social skills develop – or weaken – and what can be done about it. While a wealth of research exists on how humans and other animals socially bond, the difficulty of tracking how this changes over the course of entire lives, or even...
Students' social skills flourish best in groups with similar skill levels
Researchers have found that children who need assistance improving their social skills might benefit more when grouped with peers who have similar social skill levels, rather than with peers who have a similar disability or disorder.
www.sciencedaily.com
The Myth of Body Language and Its Importance in Communication
“Have you ever heard the adage that communication is only 7 percent verbal and 93 percent non-verbal, i.e. body language and vocal variety? You probably have, and if you have any sense at all…
agile-mercurial.com
The truth about reading body language
Many police departments and federal agencies use body language analysis as a forensics technique, claiming that these tools can help assess people’s intentions or truthfulness.
www.popsci.com
Science or pseudoscience? A distinction that matters for police officers, lawyers and judges
Scientific knowledge has been a significant contributor to the development of better practices within law enforcement agencies. However, some alleged ‘experts’ have been shown to have disseminated information to police officers, lawyers ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Study reveals just how quickly we form a first impression
We rapidly form judgements about a person's character when looking at their face. A new study from researchers at the University of York reveals just how
www.psypost.org
Science says people decide these 12 things within seconds of meeting you
First impressions are powerful. Find out how people size you up in just seconds by looking at your face and body language — and even by smelling you.
www.businessinsider.com
First impression (psychology) - Wikipedia
First Impressions From Faces
Although cultural wisdom warns ‘don’t judge a book by its cover,’ we seem unable to inhibit this tendency even though it can produce inaccurate impressions of people’s psychological traits and has significant social consequences. ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
According to This Truly Surprising New Study, You Have Just 27 Seconds to Make a First Impression
Surprisingly, 69 percent of people reported that they form a first impression of someone before they've even had a chance to speak.
Forming impressions of facial attractiveness is mandatory - Scientific Reports
First impressions of social traits, such as attractiveness, from faces are often claimed to be made automatically, given their speed and reliability. However, speed of processing is only one aspect of automaticity. Here we address a further aspect, asking whether impression formation is...
www.nature.com
Number of friends and self-perception among Jamaican children: the role of attractiveness and fluctuating asymmetry | Journal of Biosocial Science | Cambridge Core
Number of friends and self-perception among Jamaican children: the role of attractiveness and fluctuating asymmetry - Volume 52 Issue 2
Examining the impact of a social skills training program on preschoolers’ social behaviors: a cluster-randomized controlled trial in child care centers - BMC Psychology
Background Preschoolers regularly display disruptive behaviors in child care settings because they have not yet developed the social skills necessary to interact prosocially with others. Disruptive behaviors interfere with daily routines and can lead to conflict with peers and educators. We...
bmcpsychology.biomedcentral.com
Why Social Skills Training Doesn’t Work: An Alternative Model
“Man is biologically predetermined to construct and to inhabit a world with others” (Berger & Luckmann, 1966, p. 168). In the past ten years the interest in social skills training has increased dramatically. Social skills training programs have been...
link.springer.com
Physical attractiveness stereotype - Wikipedia
Global social skill ratings: measures of social behavior or physical attractiveness? - PubMed
Calvert reviewed the literature on social skills and physical attractiveness and concluded that many ratings of social skill may be confounded by the physical attractiveness of the target individual, possibly due to a general perception that physical attractiveness and social competence are...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/26820300_Personality_Judgments_Based_on_Physical_Appearance
Facial attractiveness: evolutionary based research
Face preferences affect a diverse range of critical social outcomes, from mate choices and decisions about platonic relationships to hiring decisions and decisions about social exchange. Firstly, we review the facial characteristics that influence attractiveness ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
How does appearance affect our success? | University of Nevada, Reno
Assistant Professor of Sociology Kjerstin Gruys discusses how physical appearance can impact success levels throughout life
www.unr.edu
Is personality affected by appearance? (Or the way we think we look?)
To what extent is personality an adaptation to appearance or even physique? A team of scientists at the University of Göttingen has investigated this question. Their results: it depends on gender and on which behaviour is under consideration. The study was published in the journal Evolution and...
Mothers’ neural responses to infant faces are associated with activation of the maternal care system and observed intrusiveness with their own child - Cognitive, Affective, & Behavioral Neuroscience
Certain infant facial characteristics, referred to as baby schema, are thought to automatically trigger parenting behavior and affective orientation toward infants. Electroencephalography (EEG) is well suited to assessing the intuitive nature and temporal dynamics of parenting responses, due to...
link.springer.com
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As one can see, looks create a sort of "rubber-band" effect for your life. Aka, you can move up and down with some freedom, but it is like a rubber band that is attached to your back and no matter what you do, eventually you get pulled back to your natural, looks-determined social status level.
This applies to relationships with other people and of course your overall success (if defined materially) as well.
Now, this being established, I want to say a things regarding the NT-Pill.
Most NT-copers try to be agreeable which makes me vomit.
They say shit like "oh, Looks only matter at the extremes bro." "if you are normie looking it doesnt apply. Most people are average."
This is fucking retarded. Yes, most foids are looksmatched with most guys, if you stop thinking with your cock, most foids are ugly, just like guys.
This also destroyed the "muh natural selection argument" since unlike men, most foids get to reproduce REGARDLESS OF SHIT GENES/HEALTH.
However, foids being foids and having insane selection bias, this does not even matter. We all know how they rate most guys.
So this excludes 50% of the population from being factored into NT-Pill already, good riddance.
Now, how many guys are influenced by foids and shit and can be added to that 50%? I am sure you can imagine a number. Add that to the 50% of population (foids) that are judging extremely harsh based on looks. The pool of viable targets for your NT-Cope is shrinking drastically.
Or rather, only subhumans are left. Aka, this forum.
Students' social skills flourish best in groups with similar skill levels
Researchers have found that children who need assistance improving their social skills might benefit more when grouped with peers who have similar social skill levels, rather than with peers who have a similar disability or disorder.
www.sciencedaily.com
Of course the researchers here conflate looks with social skills. You put a bunch of looksmatched people together, they communicate easier. However, even in this context, the "communication" comes down to who-mogs-who and social hierarchy games, simply because looks are not sufficient to establish the pecking order in this environment. More on this and "friendships" and "LTR" later.
Also, I'd like NT-Copers to explain shit like this (thx for pointing this @rightfulcel):
Social skills begin to decline in late 30s and early 40s, study finds
It’s part of a field of work to collect long-term data on how social skills develop – or weaken – and what can be done about it. While a wealth of research exists on how humans and other animals socially bond, the difficulty of tracking how this changes over the course of entire lives, or even...
HMMM I WONDER, WHATS THE MOST OBVIOUS THING THAT HAPPENS TO PEOPLE AS THEY AGE HMMM, MAYBE ITS RELATED TO HOW WE EVEN TELL A PERSONS AGE HMMM
Old people are also consistently the most affected by social isolation. I am using the term "social isolation" as in the clinical definition.
If social skills matter so much, why is this the case? Shouldn't they get even better at "making friends" as they age and gain more experience, more "social skill?"
Loneliness and Social Isolation Linked to Serious Health Conditions
Older adults who are lonely or socially isolated are at greater risk for serious medical conditions. Here are resources to help you stay connected.
www.cdc.gov
How do you loose social skills in the first place? Are all these old people self-isolating on purpose because they are NEETs and play Genshin Impact all day? Is this the mysterious cause behind their sudden decline of social skills? NT-Copers step up, I want answers.
How is NT-Real when they say that between 60-90% of communication is based on body language, aka visual?
Nonverbal Communication: How Body Language & Nonverbal Cues Are Key
Every day we communicate with our family, friends, colleagues and even strangers, but only a small percentage of what we communicate during each of these conversations is verbal. Research shows that the vast majority of what we convey through our interactions with others is innate and...
www.lifesize.com
"OH!" goes the NT-coper, "got it, you gotta learn body language!"
Hold on there little pipsqueak, not so fast.
The "science" behind body language is very feeble. In fact, studies have found that people are shit at reading others, especially when it comes to detecting lies and deception. This goes as far as some people advocating to drop the use of body-language cues when it comes to law-enforcement investigations.
Science or pseudoscience? A distinction that matters for police officers, lawyers and judges
Scientific knowledge has been a significant contributor to the development of better practices within law enforcement agencies. However, some alleged ‘experts’ have been shown to have disseminated information to police officers, lawyers ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Reading body language is a pseudoscience and has no real life application. It's ripe to the brim with ambiguity, depending on culture, circumstance, personal history of the person being "read" etc...
If you were to acknowledge some weird universal lawcode for body language, people would have to be machines reacting to simplified cues. Even if we exclude the impact of culture (in india for example, making eye contact can be taken as very rude), the mood and mental state of the person you are talking to absolutely impacts how they will judge your "body language."
Which brings us full circle to looks of course. First impressions in particular. This is what decides how the content of your communication (word content + body language) will be judged. Its an aggregate of your targets current mental state, mood and your looks. What you actually do or say comes very very very last in this list of factors.
Additional information regarding the importance of first impressions and the fallibility of body language:
I will start with this article and add my comments to first 2 points made in it:
7 Surprising Truths about Body Language
Much of what the so-called experts will tell you about body language is wrong.
www.forbes.com
This intersects with Normie thinking. Most people are prone to falling back on heuristics when making judgements, meaning, they make big picture conclusions based on very limited data. This is where shit like oofy-doofy comes from. They see one ethnic with a white woman in public and suddenly "ETHNICS ARE SLAYERS BRO I SWEAR." This is Forest-First thinking. See the forest, not the trees. Or rather, see one tree and conclude there is a forest.
Autistic people do not do this. They do tree-first thinking and after having seen enough trees, they conclude that there is a forest. This is why autistic people are right on many things more often than not, when it comes to certain conclusions. Unlike the NT, they assemble a data cloud of details that forms a big picture, and not start with the big picture and fill in the details.
Autistics Don't Do Heuristics
The Autism Advantage. Autistic approaches to cognitive fallacies, heuristics, biases. How autistic people think, and what we can learn from them.
Important point. Most NT People interact with each other based on pure self interest. To that end they put on a facade of agreeableness (virtue signaling) which they often mistake for being virtuous. This is why people get pissed when you deny them, when they are trying to do you a "favor." - their anger indicates that their intention was self-gratification.
So this further complicates the matter of learning to be NT, reading others and signalling correctly. It becomes a game of scoundrels where everyone is out for himself. Your "LTR" gf is with you because it benefits her, and she has vastly more power than you, financially, socially. And you are going to compromise for her, you have to, you have less or no power, even if you are chad. So even here, "being NT" just comes down to being an agreeable simp.
How many of your friends would stay loyal if you committed a murder. Would your mother hide you in the trunk of your car and drive you to the border to hide you from police? Their affection is disingenuous and conditional, aka it is not affection at all. They hang out with you because it gives them pleasure. And you do the same. This is the basis for "NT." If they don't benefit from your presence, you are rejected. How do they benefit? From you talking about anime? The shit you brag about? What is your shared purpose that makes up the foundation of that relationship? Talking about soccer? I am telling you this, you have no friends in this world. And if you ever had one, you will only know once that motherfucker truly and sincerely lays down his life for you. Then you know what he was.
This is the crux of the NT-Pill. It shatters on every level. Looks, the lack of any skill you can learn to improve your "social skills," the ambiguity and pseudo-science of body-language. There is nothing you can do here. Nothing at all. You are trapped in your looks prison.
You can not make people like you.
(which is another retarded assertion of NT-Pill. People are not machines that you press a button on and they suddenly feel affection for you.)
Moving on to my next points regarding the importance of first impressions and the fallibility of body language:
The Myth of Body Language and Its Importance in Communication
“Have you ever heard the adage that communication is only 7 percent verbal and 93 percent non-verbal, i.e. body language and vocal variety? You probably have, and if you have any sense at all…
agile-mercurial.com
JUST MEMORIZE 158 GESTURES TO FIGURE OUT IF SOMEONE IS LYING BRO. SMH AT NT-COPERS.
The truth about reading body language
Many police departments and federal agencies use body language analysis as a forensics technique, claiming that these tools can help assess people’s intentions or truthfulness.
www.popsci.com
Below are more links on the speed of first impressions.
This goes into my final point regarding Personality:
1. It is GIVEN (by looks present since birth, mothers treat ugly baby worse right away), leading to shit bonding and mental health issues.
2. People judge your personality based on looks RAPIDLY, within microseconds.
3. Unless you looskmax you, can't change these things.
Study reveals just how quickly we form a first impression
We rapidly form judgements about a person's character when looking at their face. A new study from researchers at the University of York reveals just how
www.psypost.org
Science says people decide these 12 things within seconds of meeting you
1. If you are high status.
- please go up in this thread and think about the studies I linked, that talked about the job market and how people dont want to give low-tier jobs to good looking people because "it feels wrong." Also height and how it factors in. The impression of being "High Status" is synonymous with being good looking and/or tall.
2. If you are trustworthy.
Wow, wriggle yourself outta that my little NT-Coper. Lol at "making people like you."
3. If you are charismatic.
Aka if your looks and height give them a positive hormonal pleasure release in their brain.
4. If you're leadership material.
Most leaders are above average height. "Most" is an understatement tbh. 70-90%.
5. If you are promiscuous.
Both genders will project onto you what they would do sexually if in your position, aka if you are good looking they think, "i could get any girl/boy if I was like him. Thus the assumption that you get to act out on desires they cant fulfill, because you are good looking.
6. If you are smart.
There's studies showing that people can somewhat accurately gauge your IQ by looking at your face.
7. If you are dominant.Perceived Intelligence Is Associated with Measured Intelligence in Men but Not Women
The ability to accurately assess the intelligence of other persons finds its place in everyday social interaction and should have important evolutionary consequences.We used static facial photographs of 40 men and 40 women to test the relationship between ...
No comment. Height.
8. If you are successful.
No comment. Job market study above.
Points 9-11 are hookey, SKIP.
12. if you could be friend or foe
Science says people decide these 12 things within seconds of meeting you
First impressions are powerful. Find out how people size you up in just seconds by looking at your face and body language — and even by smelling you.
www.businessinsider.com
First impression (psychology) - Wikipedia
First Impressions From Faces
Although cultural wisdom warns ‘don’t judge a book by its cover,’ we seem unable to inhibit this tendency even though it can produce inaccurate impressions of people’s psychological traits and has significant social consequences. ...
www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Ugly people often report people fearing them in public, crossing the street to avoid them etc... the above study confirms that, people feel viscerally threatened by your cripple ass.
This next study goes into this even deeper and says people literally can not help themselves in their visual judgement of others,
EVEN WHEN TOLD NOT TO DO SO:
Forming impressions of facial attractiveness is mandatory - Scientific Reports
First impressions of social traits, such as attractiveness, from faces are often claimed to be made automatically, given their speed and reliability. However, speed of processing is only one aspect of automaticity. Here we address a further aspect, asking whether impression formation is...
www.nature.com
Again, NT-copers BTFO. Even if you are extremely nice to others, they can not help but judge you based on your looks. Even if they know its wrong. Even if they know you are actually a good person. You are making them feel guilty for existing lmfao. And so they don't want to be around you.
Slightly unrelated but even being dark triad just backfires if you are ugly:
Facial attractiveness as a moderator of the association between social and physical aggression and popularity in adolescents
This study examined the relations between facial attractiveness, aggression, and popularity in adolescence to determine whether facial attractiveness …
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I can already here them coming, "this doesn't apply, most people are average not ugly."
1. Then why are you on looksmax you cumgobbler? Go to reddit or watch some yt videos about being confident and charismatic.
2. Even if average, I just highlighted that you can't change anything significant about your life without looksmaxing. This applies to job opportunities, whether people like you and judge you as competent on first impression etc... You can not make people like you. And society is people. We all are at the mercy of others 24/7. Also, relationships are the biggest indicator of happiness.
Over nearly 80 years, Harvard study has been showing how to live a healthy and happy life
For nearly 80 years, the Harvard Study of Adult Development has been producing data and lessons on how to live longer, happier, and healthier lives.
news.harvard.edu
The thing is, if you are average, you will not stand out. You are positively neutral in a crowd of nobodies, aka invisible, unless you make yourself stand out by being pathetic - jestermaxxing, putting in all the effort into maintaining friendships/relationships (simping), etc... And you can not change that. Again, even with average looks, NT-Coping comes down to pleasuring other men to receive conditional validation from them. Gay.
If you have to work for it, it's not worth it. If you have work for something others get for free, you are already lower status, you are signalling it, you are admitting it. You will never get to the point where it feels natural. As you age your looks decline and magically and for no reason at all, so will your "social skills." People will suddenly be rude to you, whereas before they were not. The only acceptable behavior left will be to rot at home (thus leading to the social isolation epidemic among old people.) NT-Pill will not save you from this. It's not gonna make you immortal, sorry. Even if it was true, these last points i just made would still be true.
