Nutrition is probably the most interesting thing

[ey88]

I’m genuinely trying to figure this out, unless I’m going mad, I remember that yeah fibre is indigestible but it still has a role in slowing carb absorption and stabilising blood sugar. Plus fruits and veg aren’t gonna lead to a carb surplus unless you’re blending fucking bananas. How is fibre toxic???

It isn’t

Plus fibre is important for feeding the gut bacteria

 

[imontheloose]

It isn’t

Plus fibre is important for feeding the gut bacteria

So what’s this fucking retard on about

 

[Never Get Up]

I’m genuinely trying to figure this out, unless I’m going mad, I remember that yeah fibre is indigestible but it still has a role in slowing carb absorption and stabilising blood sugar. Plus fruits and veg aren’t gonna lead to a carb surplus unless you’re blending fucking bananas. How is fibre toxic???

Anything more than 5g of exogenous carbohydrates are treated as toxic.



There has only been 1 pseudoscientific trial on fiber and it indicates it is a toxin.

 

[Never Get Up]

Plus fibre is important for feeding the gut bacteria

 

[imontheloose]

Anything more than 5g of exogenous carbohydrates are treated as toxic.



There has only been 1 pseudoscientific trial on fiber and it indicates it is a toxin.

I understand individual doctors have differing opinions but is this the consensus among most?

 

[Never Get Up]

I understand individual doctors have differing opinions but is this the consensus among most?

Majority agreeing on something doesn’t make it correct.

You’ve been lied to by big pharma.

 

[imontheloose]

Majority agreeing on something doesn’t make it correct.

You’ve been lied to by big pharma.

True. I mean I’d have to look into it more but being an engineer I doubt I’d be able to bother with the biology. I’m more used to black and white but in biology it’s obviously not like that. Nice stuff tho man

 

[Never Get Up]

True. I mean I’d have to look into it more but being an engineer I doubt I’d be able to bother with the biology. I’m more used to black and white but in biology it’s obviously not like that. Nice stuff tho man

You’re from the UK, so you probably were born with a biscuit in your mouth. Makes sense why you’re confused on why we should only eat raw meat.

 

[imontheloose]

You’re from the UK, so you probably were born with a biscuit in your mouth. Makes sense why you’re confused on why we should only eat raw meat.

Lmfao, fuck biscuits

 

[noodlelover]

You’re low IQ. Fiber is indigestible and has 0 effect on sugar binding to proteins (glycation).

Fiber has some effect because it slows down digestion which reduces the height of blood sugar spikes.

Glycation is much higher when blood sugar spikes.

When blood sugar is stable and flat glycation is not as high because the body has time to turn some of that sugar into fat and use some as energy. So the body is getting using the sugar in the blood at the same rate it's being released into the blood and you don't have a giant build up that results in higher glycation.

All carbohydrates convert into sugar except for fructose which is metabolized into triacylglycerides in the liver.

Fiber is extremely toxic and contra-indicated (bad).

Anytime you eat a surplus of carbohydrates that go above your homeostatic set point, you WILL spike your blood glucose and those cells will sacrificed to protect more important cells in the body.

It depends on the glycemic index of the foods your eating. Fiber reduces that.

 

[Thebuffdon]

It's also complicated as shit.

Any one who says they have nutrition completely figured out is lying.

But it's fun to learn about, because there's near infinite complexity to learn about. Like I have lots of theories, that may or may not turn out to be right.

Teach me ur ways oh bright one

 

[noodlelover]

Teach me ur ways oh bright one

My best advice would be to read every book and paper on nutrition. I'm still figuring it out. Don't get sucked into extremist views like Carnivore vs Vegan, they are popular because people like simplicity and conflict gets eyeballs ex "Vegan vs Carnivore".

For now, I know this. Humans are Omnivores and we aren't evolved for most modern foods. Gliadin in Gluten is especially bad. Eat a wide range of whole foods to not be nutritionally deficient in anything and keep stress low. Have a pre-bed relaxing routine to relax before bed to increase sleep quality.

 

[Thebuffdon]

My best advice would be to read every book and paper on nutrition. I'm still figuring it out. Don't get sucked into extremist views like Carnivore vs Vegan, they are popular because people like simplicity and conflict gets eyeballs ex "Vegan vs Carnivore".

For now, I know this. Humans are Omnivores and we aren't evolved for most modern foods. Gliadin in Gluten is especially bad. Eat a wide range of whole foods to not be nutritionally deficient in anything and keep stress low. Have a pre-bed relaxing routine to relax before bed and increase sleep quality.

Agree with you on this.

What are your thoughts on animal based? I believe this could be the diet that humans are meant to eat (as in optimally not prescribed from a nutrition standpoint) but like you said it’s not black and white it’s a well thought out preference.

The extreme ends we have carnivore an vegan which are ofc too restrictive in their nutritional rights comprised on the diet. Animal based is very good because it covers all essential macros and most micros and it allows for a lot of deviation based on preference, to cover excess micros and minerals you might be deficient in.

 

[noodlelover]

Agree with you on this.

What are your thoughts on animal based? I believe this could be the diet that humans are meant to eat (as in optimally not prescribed from a nutrition standpoint) but like you said it’s not black and white it’s a well thought out preference.

It increases arterial plaque and heart disease which may lead to an earlier death.

There are no long lived populations of humans eating mostly meat. As far as the Eskimo's that ate mostly meat, we've found a 400 year old frozen eskimo woman with arterial plaque and heart disease. The only thing should could have eaten at the time, that far up north is meat.

The longest lived populations of humans eat mostly plants but some meat. Though I believe, life style and low stress is a bigger factor than what they eat.

Carnivore is probably very healthy until you get too much plaque and you die of a heart attack, or get a stroke and half your face get's paralyzed or you get brain damaged.

I believe there may be a way to cycle carnivore and plant based to get most of the looks benefits of carnivore, while giving the body time to clear out the blood vessels. But I need to do more research.

It's not something I'm focused on right now, I'm focused on money.

The extreme ends we have carnivore an vegan which are ofc too restrictive in their nutritional rights comprised on the diet. Animal based is very good because it covers all essential macros and most micros and it allows for a lot of deviation based on preference, to cover excess micros and minerals you might be deficient in.

 

[Thebuffdon]

It increases arterial plaque and heart disease which may lead to an earlier death.

There are no long lived populations of humans eating mostly meat. As far as the Eskimo's that ate mostly meat, we've found a 400 year old frozen eskimo woman with arterial plaque and heart disease. The only thing should could have eaten at the time, that far up north is meat.

The longest lived populations of humans eat mostly plants but some meat. Though I believe, life style and low stress is a bigger factor than what they eat.

Carnivore is probably very healthy until you get too much plaque and you die of a heart attack, or get a stroke and half your face get's paralyzed or you get brain damaged.

I believe there may be a way to cycle carnivore and plant based to get most of the looks benefits of carnivore, while giving the body time to clear out the blood vessels. But I need to do more research.

It's not something I'm focused on right now, I'm focused on money.

I don’t get it. You’re saying eating mostly meat leads to an earlier death but then also we haven’t evolved to eat modern diets?

So what’s the solution then? If you’re referring to balance it’s clear it would just be something along the lines of organs or muscle meat balancing out with fruit to increase your intake of micros and minerals. This can be shown from nutrient analysis on this diet (whatever you want to call it) where they hit all of their nutrient goals and have no deficiencies.

And yes I’m not talking about an all meat diet that’s obviously not optimal. Also your correlation is wrong from eating meat to heart disease. I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s many external factors at play which influence the quality of the meat in a natural environment and how that plays a role in heart disease.

For instance we may not find many tribes who exclusively only consumed fish from non polluted water bodies because the chance of heart disease would have been a lot lower from fatty fish, because of the fact that it has a lower likelihood of contamination than raw meat from ancient areas, because of the diet of the animals etc.

 

[The Dark Phoenix]

most shit boring useless thing

 

[noodlelover]

I don’t get it. You’re saying eating mostly meat leads to an earlier death but then also we haven’t evolved to eat modern diets?

Evolution doesn't care if we live long, it only cares that we live long enough to reproduce.

So what’s the solution then?

The solution, if you are optimizing for longevity is what we've known in the scientific literature for decades. It's to eat a mostly plant based diet with occasional meat.

If you’re referring to balance it’s clear it would just be something along the lines of organs or muscle meat balancing out with fruit to increase your intake of micros and minerals. This can be shown from nutrient analysis on this diet (whatever you want to call it) where they hit all of their nutrient goals and have no deficiencies.

And yes I’m not talking about an all meat diet that’s obviously not optimal. Also your correlation is wrong from eating meat to heart disease.

Putting people on a plant based diet literally reverses arterial plaque which leads to heart disease.

I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s many external factors at play which influence the quality of the meat in a natural environment and how that plays a role in heart disease.

It's LDL. When you eat foods that increase your LDL significantly, they get embedded into the arterial walls. This attracts macrophages (immune cells) which come to try to get rid of it. They release ROS which oxidizes it, and it turns into plaque. This is a very well studied main stream accepted phenomenon.

It doesn't kill you immediately. It takes a long time for plaque to build up but it will eventually kill you if you don't do anything about it.

For instance we may not find many tribes who exclusively only consumed fish from non polluted water bodies because the chance of heart disease would have been a lot lower from fatty fish,

This has also been debunked in the literature. We put people on higher fish and it doesn't decrease the likelihood of heart disease.

because of the fact that it has a lower likelihood of contamination than raw meat from ancient areas, because of the diet of the animals etc.

It's not about contamination it's about LDL.

Getting all of your micronutrients is only a tiny piece of nutrition. Too much of any micro or macro nutrient, or consuming the wrong combinations of micro's or macro's also causes unnecessary damage to your body. For example, taking Vit-E supplement decreases lifespan, or taking multi-vitamin decreases lifespan. It you get too many, of almost any micronutrient you will die.

Which is why if you want to understand it, you really have to read many of the studies.

Raw meat also puts you at risk of worms that reproduce inside you, swim around in your blood stream and burrow into your muscles and organs. This can sometimes take years of pain before you die.

And you don't digest the protein in raw meat as well. The reason we cook meat, is so that we can digest more of it. Sure there's some micro-nutrients you digest better when in raw form, but you don't need that high levels of those, and your energy will be lower.

 

[Thebuffdon]

Evolution doesn't care if we live long, it only cares that we live long enough to reproduce.



The solution, if you are optimizing for longevity is what we've known in the scientific literature for decades. It's to eat a mostly plant based diet with occasional meat.



Putting people on a plant based diet literally reverses arterial plaque which leads to heart disease.



It's LDL. When you eat foods that increase your LDL significantly, they get embedded into the arterial walls. This attracts macrophages (immune cells) which come to try to get rid of it. They release ROS which oxidizes it, and it turns into plaque. This is a very well studied main stream accepted phenomenon.

It doesn't kill you immediately. It takes a long time for plaque to build up but it will eventually kill you if you don't do anything about it.

This has also been debunked in the literature. We put people on higher fish and it doesn't decrease the likelihood of heart disease.


It's not about contamination it's about LDL.

Getting all of your micronutrients is only a tiny piece of nutrition. Too much of any micro or macro nutrient, or consuming the wrong combinations of micro's or macro's also causes unnecessary damage to your body. For example, taking Vit-E supplement decreases lifespan, or taking multi-vitamin decreases lifespan. It you get too many, of almost any micronutrient you will die.

Which is why if you want to understand it, you really have to read many of the studies.

Raw meat also puts you at risk of worms that reproduce inside you, swim around in your blood stream and burrow into your muscles and organs. This can sometimes take years of pain before you die.

And you don't digest the protein in raw meat as well. The reason we cook meat, is so that we can digest more of it. Sure there's some micro-nutrients you digest better when in raw form, but you don't need that high levels of those, and your energy will be lower.

Yh I agree with you mostly on the whole raw vs cooked meat thing. I think we probably share collective views on that in the majority relative to everyone else on this forum who thinks raw meat is the only thing you’re meant to be eating which makes no sense.

I don’t get the whole plant based thing though what are your opinion on defence chemicals in them then, not ideal for human digestions because of plant survival? Also I said organs because they contain most nutrients we need as well as eat, I don’t see how a plant based diet outside of health is able to provide you with all of these nutrients? Adversely leading to the opposite effect which is underdevelopment / malnutrition

 

[noodlelover]

Yh I agree with you mostly on the whole raw vs cooked meat thing. I think we probably share collective views on that in the majority relative to everyone else on this forum who thinks raw meat is the only thing you’re meant to be eating which makes no sense.

I don’t get the whole plant based thing though what are your opinion on defence chemicals in them then, not ideal for human digestions because of plant survival?

We have evolved the ability to filter out most of those chemicals so they don't hurt us.

But there's a few things to keep in mind. The liver is an intelligent adaptive organ. You don't want to switch your diet up too fast, but slowly ramp up plants so that it can get used to filtering out more and more of their toxins. (So that you get all the benefits and none of the down sides).

The liver has different capacities for filtering out different plant toxins. So in practical terms you don't want eat too much of any one vegetable. Eat a lot of spinach everyday and you will get sick and die. This is one, but not the only reason you want to eat a well balanced diet. So that your liver can fully filter out the different toxins in the different foods you eat. Steve Jobs would eat a single Fruit or vegetable, every day for a week or two. This could have been a cause of his death.

Also I said organs because they contain most nutrients we need as well as eat,

Totally. If you are going high meat you have to eat some organ meat to be healthy.

I don’t see how a plant based diet outside of health is able to provide you with all of these nutrients?

When I use the phrase plant based, I'm talking about like 80% plants, 20% meat.

If you want to go full vegan or vegetarian, then you need to eat foods fortified with B12 for example.

Adversely leading to the opposite effect which is underdevelopment / malnutrition

 

[persuss]

If your variety includes plants, then you are an idiot.

gosh, somebody needs to start watching hench herbivore you fell for the goatis lie

 

[asdvek]

bread

phytic acid - zinc absorbtion harmed - infertility and low t

 

[Thebuffdon]

We have evolved the ability to filter out most of those chemicals so they don't hurt us.

But there's a few things to keep in mind. The liver is an intelligent adaptive organ. You don't want to switch your diet up too fast, but slowly ramp up plants so that it can get used to filtering out more and more of their toxins. (So that you get all the benefits and none of the down sides).

The liver has different capacities for filtering out different plant toxins. So in practical terms you don't want eat too much of any one vegetable. Eat a lot of spinach everyday and you will get sick and die. This is one, but not the only reason you want to eat a well balanced diet. So that your liver can fully filter out the different toxins in the different foods you eat. Steve Jobs would eat a single Fruit or vegetable, every day for a week or two. This could have been a cause of his death.





Totally. If you are going high meat you have to eat some organ meat to be healthy.


When I use the phrase plant based, I'm talking about like 80% plants, 20% meat.

If you want to go full vegan or vegetarian, then you need to eat foods fortified with B12 for example.

I don’t agree with this. Mainly because these plants contain toxins for a reason, which is to ensure their own survival from consumption. Theoretically it might not be possible for the body to ensure adaptation to these toxins over time.

What is the point in eating them because of this reason, especially when you can get their nutrients from meat again like I mentioned or through fruit which is better digested as opposed to eating leaves as you mentioned which can’t be digested fully anyway.

 

[Thebuffdon]

gosh, somebody needs to start watching hench herbivore you fell for the goatis lie

Nah u shouldn’t eat plants tbh there’s just no reason

 

[persuss]

Nah u shouldn’t eat plants tbh there’s just no reason

so you wanna torture animals and eat dead corpse while creating future health problems like heart disease?

 

[Thebuffdon]

so you wanna torture animals and eat dead corpse while creating future health problems like heart disease?

Heart disease isn’t caused from that shit is caused from the processed crap majority of humans eat today

 

[persuss]

Heart disease isn’t caused from that shit is caused from the processed crap majority of humans eat today

no the saturated fat clogs the arteries it's the major cause for all of the health problems we have nowadays.

 

[noodlelover]

I don’t agree with this. Mainly because these plants contain toxins for a reason, which is to ensure their own survival from consumption. Theoretically it might not be possible for the body to ensure adaptation to these toxins over time.

They didn't evolve the toxins for humans. Let's take spinach for example.

It's toxins protect against being eaten by insects, some small mammals like rabbits and rodents, and birds. But mainly insects. In these animals it causes digestive discomfort and reduces nutrient absorbtion.

But not humans because our liver can filter out the toxins.

An animals defenses are never universal. There are always counter measures in other species. One animal evolves a defense, and another evolves a way to neutralize it.

It's why the stomach acid of of vultures kills almost all parasites, but the stomach acid of dogs or humans which is a hundred times lower does not, but still kills more types of parasites than a herbivore's stomach acid.

What is the point in eating them because of this reason, especially when you can get their nutrients from meat again like I mentioned or through fruit which is better digested as opposed to eating leaves as you mentioned which can’t be digested fully anyway.

It's all about quantities and ratios.

But let's take Sulforaphane for example. It protects against cancer. You will find it ONLY in cruciferous vegetables like broccoli. It's not in meat or fruit.

Sulforaphane is anti-cancer, anti-inflammation, protects against neuro-degenerative diseases, and boosts the production of anti-oxidants. Not all anti-oxidants are the same btw, because of their size and density they pool up in different areas of the body.

Or Chlorophyll which helps in binding for detoxification. Found in broccoli and not found in meat at all. It's also an anti-oxidant which you want diversity in because they have different effects on the body.

 

[Thebuffdon]

no the saturated fat clogs the arteries it's the major cause for all of the health problems we have nowadays.

I definitely agree that Goatis is fucking retarded but I meat is still good, and should be eaten

Obviously depends on the kind of meat as well what do you think is healthier though?

 

[Thebuffdon]

They didn't evolve the toxins for humans. Let's take spinach for example.

It's toxins protect against being eaten by insects, some small mammals like rabbits and rodents, and birds. But mainly insects. In these animals it causes digestive discomfort and reduces nutrient absorbtion.

But not humans because our liver can filter out the toxins.

An animals defenses are never universal. There are always counter measures in other species. One animal evolves a defense, and another evolves a way to neutralize it.

It's why the stomach acid of of vultures kills almost all parasites, but the stomach acid of dogs or humans which is a hundred times lower does not, but still kills more types of parasites than a herbivore's stomach acid.



It's all about quantities and ratios.

But let's take Sulforaphane for example. It protects against cancer. You will find it ONLY in cruciferous vegetables like broccoli. It's not in meat or fruit.

Sulforaphane is anti-cancer, anti-inflammation, protects against neuro-degenerative diseases, and boosts the production of anti-oxidants. Not all anti-oxidants are the same btw, because of their size and density they pool up in different areas of the body.

Or Chlorophyll which helps in binding for detoxification. Found in broccoli and not found in meat at all. It's also an anti-oxidant which you want diversity in because they have different effects on the body.

Ok interesting I will do more research on this. The thing is a lot of these modern vegetables are selectively bred like broccoli, so how is it that it still contains bio available nutrients in natural form? Also these vitamins or whatever they are you are referencing may not be needed for humans anyway, because 1. It might not be the only nutrient which protects against said disease and 2. It might not be contained in relevant quantities which you may need to mass consume to reap maximum benefits from it, I would assume.

There’s other arguments I can use, such as taste buds recognising that something is intolerable regarding vegetables hence the bitter taste which may indicate it’s impotency nutrition wise so to speak, what’s your thoughts on that?

Lastly what vegetables would you advise to consume because obviously not all of them are optimal so you will need to factor out ones which you might be deficient in an area only consuming meat or fruit so which ones?

I will do more research on this tho

 

[persuss]

I definitely agree that Goatis is fucking retarded but I meat is still good, and should be eaten

Obviously depends on the kind of meat as well what do you think is healthier though?

im just repeating stuff vegans say to me. yes meat is good i was being sarcastic. healthier meat overall is wild meat since it has lived in nature and hasn't received any antiobotics. wild meat also isnt force feed and breed in a way to make it unnaturally big.

 

[Thebuffdon]

im just repeating stuff vegans say to me. yes meat is good i was being sarcastic. healthier meat overall is wild meat since it has lived in nature and hasn't received any antiobotics. wild meat also isnt force feed and breed in a way to make it unnaturally big.

Not necessarily true, naturalistic fallacy. Can contain many contaminants because of animal lifestyle and stress, as well as ability to digest harmful toxins and food.

At this point I’m not too sure how you would tell because there’s just too many factors at play. @noodlelover what do you think is the optimal way in which to tell whether a certain type of meat is healthy and should be eaten? Organ or muscle wtv

 

[persuss]

Sulforaphane is anti-cancer, anti-inflammation, protects against neuro-degenerative diseases, and boosts the production of anti-oxidants. Not all anti-oxidants are the same btw, because of their size and density they pool up in different areas of the body.

Or Chlorophyll which helps in binding for detoxification. Found in broccoli and not found in meat at all. It's also an anti-oxidant which you want diversity in because they have different effects on the body.

plant antioxidants arent exactly good neither is any "anti-cancer" bullshit. the sulforophane is going to kill all cells not only the cancer which isnt even bad in it of itself unless it involves a vital organ.

 

[persuss]

what do you think is the optimal way in which to tell whether a certain type of meat is healthy and should be eaten? Organ or muscle wtv

wheter it has taken any toxins because all of it will be stored in the fat which will give you foodposioning. you have to pick animals that arent sick and have eaten from pasture

 

[Thebuffdon]

wheter it has taken any toxins because all of it will be stored in the fat which will give you foodposioning. you have to pick animals that arent sick and have eaten from pasture

Yh but how do you know that’s the point. Unless you visit the farm and observe actual behaviour it’s basically impossible. Even from the butcher isn’t the best method of reliability

 

[persuss]

Yh but how do you know that’s the point. Unless you visit the farm and observe actual behaviour it’s basically impossible. Even from the butcher isn’t the best method of reliability

if you live in any first world countries im pretty sure there are labels and they tell you wheter it was raised on pasture and where it came from without them being able to lie about it. there are also tons of wild animals that have none of these issues which you can easily get.

 

[Aladin]

My best advice would be to read every book and paper on nutrition. I'm still figuring it out. Don't get sucked into extremist views like Carnivore vs Vegan, they are popular because people like simplicity and conflict gets eyeballs ex "Vegan vs Carnivore".

For now, I know this. Humans are Omnivores and we aren't evolved for most modern foods. Gliadin in Gluten is especially bad. Eat a wide range of whole foods to not be nutritionally deficient in anything and keep stress low. Have a pre-bed relaxing routine to relax before bed to increase sleep quality.

American bread is enriched with Iron and Folic Acid which are both bad.

 

[Thebuffdon]

if you live in any first world countries im pretty sure there are labels and they tell you wheter it was raised on pasture and where it came from without them being able to lie about it. there are also tons of wild animals that have none of these issues which you can easily get.

Yeh but 1. Very hard to source for a lot of foods 2. Probably lie a lot about it also if I had to beg

 

[Thebuffdon]

American bread is enriched with Iron and Folic Acid which are both bad.

How is iron bad JFL

 

[persuss]

Yeh but 1. Very hard to source for a lot of foods 2. Probably lie a lot about it also if I had to beg

how tf is it hard to source? they dont lie about it unless you live in china or some third wold country. just find a website online where you can source local farms and literally just buy from them it's that easy.

 

[noodlelover]

Ok interesting I will do more research on this. The thing is a lot of these modern vegetables are selectively bred like broccoli, so how is it that it still contains bio available nutrients in natural form?

Most of the animals we eat have been selectively bred as well.

Selective breeding is sometimes good, it's sometimes bad. It changes things, and you need to be aware of what those changes are, or at least the current health benefits for different foods.

Also these vitamins or whatever they are you are referencing may not be needed for humans anyway, because 1. It might not be the only nutrient which protects against said disease and 2. It might not be contained in relevant quantities which you may need to mass consume to reap maximum benefits from it, I would assume.

Needs is a strong word. We are omnivores that can survive on a wide range of food.

Optimally healthy would be better way to look at it. There is a threshold effect with nutrients where more more isn't better, and is sometimes worse.

To be optimally healthy you need to eat a wide range of of things. You also I believe get more synergistic effects between different compounds in the body, when you eat a wide range of fruits, vegetables, and some meat.

There’s other arguments I can use, such as taste buds recognising that something is intolerable regarding vegetables hence the bitter taste which may indicate it’s impotency nutrition wise so to speak, what’s your thoughts on that?

Like I said the liver is adaptive, and it adapts gradually. What tastes good to you is what your body is used to eating, has adapted the capacity to filter out the harmful chemicals from, and has gotten good at getting the nutrients from.

So you have to start with a small amount of vegetables and adapt gradually and they will start to taste good.

If you want optimal health, then you have to get your body used to eating a wider range of foods that results in optimal health, and only AFTER your body is used to eating, digesting, and using those foods will they taste the best to you. This is a process that takes time.

Lastly what vegetables would you advise to consume because obviously not all of them are optimal so you will need to factor out ones which you might be deficient in an area only consuming meat or fruit so which ones?

I would say, consume the widest possible variety of fruits, vegetables, and some meat.

They all pretty much have unique advantageous.

It's quicker to list the fruits and vegetables that offer less nutritionally. Don't consume Bananas or Oranges. Not because they are bad, but because they are not as powerfully good as all of the other stuff. Consuming one thing is nutritional opportunity cost.

There's more potassium in broccoli than banana's for example.

I will do more research on this tho

 

[noodlelover]

American bread is enriched with Iron and Folic Acid which are both bad.

Bread is bad for more reasons than that. Bread has gluten which contains gliadin which shreds the intestinal lining, causing leakage of food particles into the blood stream, body wide inflammation, accelerating internal ageing and damage. That's only one thing, I could write a book on how bad bread is, and people have. Read Wheat Belly if you want to learn more.

If you thought I was advocating for eating bread because I recommended eating a wide range of whole food, bread is NOT a whole food.

Bread is a processed food, it is not a whole food and should never be eaten. The exception is if you're trying to sleep with a hot girl and she eats bread, maybe eat some to not look like a weirdo.

 

[RXnd]

phytic acid - zinc absorbtion harmed - infertility and low t

Thanks for telling me that I’ll look into it, does it depend on the type of bread?

 

[asdvek]

Thanks for telling me that I’ll look into it, does it depend on the type of bread?

All of them has phytic acid, sourdough bread has less but still has it

 

[Aladin]

Bread is bad for more reasons than that. Bread has gluten which contains gliadin which shreds the intestinal lining, causing leakage of food particles into the blood stream, body wide inflammation, accelerating internal ageing and damage. That's only one thing, I could write a book on how bad bread is, and people have. Read Wheat Belly if you want to learn more.

If you thought I was advocating for eating bread because I recommended eating a wide range of whole food, bread is NOT a whole food.

Bread is a processed food, it is not a whole food and should never be eaten. The exception is if you're trying to sleep with a hot girl and she eats bread, maybe eat some to not look like a weirdo.

What about millet bread? Is that a decent alternative?

 

[ey88]

There are no long lived populations of humans eating mostly meat. As far as the Eskimo's that ate mostly meat, we've found a 400 year old frozen eskimo woman with arterial plaque and heart disease. The only thing should could have eaten at the time, that far up north is meat.

The longest lived populations of humans eat mostly plants but some meat. Though I believe, life style and low stress is a bigger factor than what they eat.

Carnivore is probably very healthy until you get too much plaque and you die of a heart attack, or get a stroke and half your face get's paralyzed or you get brain damaged.

Something to look into

“However, there was little if any clinical manifestations of cardiovascular disease, ‘The Eskimos’ vasculature, indeed, showed some degree of atherosclerotic changes, but the severity was usually not enough to produce clinically recognizable symptoms and signs…Thus, atherosclerosis indeed exists in Eskimos, but is less severe and only rarely produces clinical manifestations and fatal complications. In contrast, in U.S. whites…they are suffering from a high incidence of atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease’.”

Markedly increased intake of refined carbohydrates and sugar is associated with the rise of coronary heart disease and diabetes among the Alaskan Inuit - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[noodlelover]

What about millet bread? Is that a decent alternative?

As far as I know Millet bread is healthy.

The two things I look for, is Gluten free and Millet bread is gluten free. no gluten means no gliadin.
And the other thing is Glycemic index, and and millet bread has a medium range GI which is not bad.

These are only the things I've learned to look for. As a rule I don't eat processed food because there may be more I don't know, so it simplifies things.

 

[noodlelover]

Something to look into

“However, there was little if any clinical manifestations of cardiovascular disease, ‘The Eskimos’ vasculature, indeed, showed some degree of atherosclerotic changes, but the severity was usually not enough to produce clinically recognizable symptoms and signs…Thus, atherosclerosis indeed exists in Eskimos, but is less severe and only rarely produces clinical manifestations and fatal complications. In contrast, in U.S. whites…they are suffering from a high incidence of atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease’.”

Markedly increased intake of refined carbohydrates and sugar is associated with the rise of coronary heart disease and diabetes among the Alaskan Inuit - PMC

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

They're saying meat based (The eskimo's had already started eating some vegetables by the time of those studies), is not as bad as a western diet of processed food, as far as atherosclerosis.

Which is true, but what I'm commenting on is Meat Based with some plants, vs Plant Based With Some Meat. Putting people on a plant based diet reverses atherosclerosis which is building up while on a meat based diet.

 

[Thebuffdon]

Most of the animals we eat have been selectively bred as well.

Selective breeding is sometimes good, it's sometimes bad. It changes things, and you need to be aware of what those changes are, or at least the current health benefits for different foods.


Needs is a strong word. We are omnivores that can survive on a wide range of food.

Optimally healthy would be better way to look at it. There is a threshold effect with nutrients where more more isn't better, and is sometimes worse.

To be optimally healthy you need to eat a wide range of of things. You also I believe get more synergistic effects between different compounds in the body, when you eat a wide range of fruits, vegetables, and some meat.




Like I said the liver is adaptive, and it adapts gradually. What tastes good to you is what your body is used to eating, has adapted the capacity to filter out the harmful chemicals from, and has gotten good at getting the nutrients from.

So you have to start with a small amount of vegetables and adapt gradually and they will start to taste good.

If you want optimal health, then you have to get your body used to eating a wider range of foods that results in optimal health, and only AFTER your body is used to eating, digesting, and using those foods will they taste the best to you. This is a process that takes time.



I would say, consume the widest possible variety of fruits, vegetables, and some meat.

They all pretty much have unique advantageous.

It's quicker to list the fruits and vegetables that offer less nutritionally. Don't consume Bananas or Oranges. Not because they are bad, but because they are not as powerfully good as all of the other stuff. Consuming one thing is nutritional opportunity cost.

There's more potassium in broccoli than banana's for example.

Which ones should I consume then

 

[Thebuffdon]

Bread is bad for more reasons than that. Bread has gluten which contains gliadin which shreds the intestinal lining, causing leakage of food particles into the blood stream, body wide inflammation, accelerating internal ageing and damage. That's only one thing, I could write a book on how bad bread is, and people have. Read Wheat Belly if you want to learn more.

If you thought I was advocating for eating bread because I recommended eating a wide range of whole food, bread is NOT a whole food.

Bread is a processed food, it is not a whole food and should never be eaten. The exception is if you're trying to sleep with a hot girl and she eats bread, maybe eat some to not look like a weirdo.

What else would you advise to not consume AT ALL, on top of that

 

[noodlelover]

What else would you advise to not consume AT ALL, on top of that

Alcohol, Cigarettes, Marijuana, and all illegal drugs. Processed Meat like Hotdogs and Balloni. Grilled Meat. Fried anything.

Some cookies or ice cream or whatever every one and a while is not that bad, but the above list really bad.

What I do when some one insists I drink alcohol is pretend to drink it and then dump it out when no one is looking.

Which ones should I consume then

All of them. In the past I would have advised reading a bunch of books like "How not to diet" and "How to feed a brain" which cover all the different health benefits to all the different vegetables.

But my advice now is to download an Ai with access to the internet such as Co-pilot, or Gemini and Start asking questions like "What are the health benefits to X Food? How might X Food be unhealthy? Are there any studies that prove Y? How was that study conducted?"

And keep asking questions to learn more. Ask about other foods that have the same benefits. Ask about how the processes it describes work in the body.

This is the fastest way to learn nutrition, and if you do it you may quickly surpass my nutrition knowledge.