OBO Update

[Ape101]

I’ve been receiving a lot of DMs lately asking for updates on my orbital box osteotomy (OBO) results as well as general hardmaxxing advice. I’ve replied to many of you one on one, but I’m honestly tired of repeating the same points, so I’m putting it all here.


1. Surgical Journey
As I’ve said before, I will only post results once my entire surgical plan is complete. The final hard tissue phase (bimax + orbital osteotomy (a variation similar to tripod)) is scheduled for next month, in the same round as Clavicular's surgery in case you are following his journey. Assuming no complications, that will mark the end of the bone work.


Some people have suggested I at least post my eye area now. I’m not doing that. There are still minor soft tissue issues that would distort perception. The reality is, most people here can’t evaluate a surgery in context, they’ll fixate on something like an eyelid that still needs work instead of understanding the bigger picture. I’d rather present everything once it’s finished.


2. Advice, Morphs, and Contact
If you’re looking for advice, morphs, or info in general, don’t DM me here. I’ve set up a dedicated X (Twitter) account for this. I’ll be posting free morphs and sharing detailed info there. Follow me and DM me on X if you want to reach out.

X: https://x.com/BlackpillBp

 

[vincentzygo]

Nvm it's a nothingburger

 

[htbslayeer]

mirin

 

[vincentzygo]

You should see my DMs. If I have to explain this one more time, I’m gonna go ER

Understandable

 

[Crowsmagnon]

holy cope, bro got botched

 

[vincentzygo]

For any niggas looking for obo results

https://looksmax.org/threads/actual...ery-other-extreme-surgery.425407/post-7050582

 

[Ape101]

holy cope, bro got botched

I'd be getting a revision if that were the case.

 

[Proex]

I’ve been receiving a lot of DMs lately asking for updates on my orbital box osteotomy (OBO) results as well as general hardmaxxing advice. I’ve replied to many of you one on one, but I’m honestly tired of repeating the same points, so I’m putting it all here.


1. Surgical Journey
As I’ve said before, I will only post results once my entire surgical plan is complete. The final hard tissue phase (bimax + orbital osteotomy (a variation similar to tripod)) is scheduled for next month, in the same round as Clavicular's surgery in case you are following his journey. Assuming no complications, that will mark the end of the bone work.


Some people have suggested I at least post my eye area now. I’m not doing that. There are still minor soft tissue issues that would distort perception. The reality is, most people here can’t evaluate a surgery in context, they’ll fixate on something like an eyelid that still needs work instead of understanding the bigger picture. I’d rather present everything once it’s finished.


2. Advice, Morphs, and Contact
If you’re looking for advice, morphs, or info in general, don’t DM me here. I’ve set up a dedicated X (Twitter) account for this. I’ll be posting free morphs and sharing detailed info there. Follow me and DM me on X if you want to reach out.

X: https://x.com/BlackpillBp

do you slay any, since surgeries?

 

[vincentzygo]

do you slay any, since surgeries?

Salting the wound bro

 

[Ape101]

For any niggas looking for obo results

https://looksmax.org/threads/actual...ery-other-extreme-surgery.425407/post-7050582

Disclaimer: Courtesy of serial botcher Dr. Eppley.

 

[Proex]

Nvm it's a nothingburger

 

[Ape101]

do you slay any, since surgeries?

Yes, a lot more than I used to before, but not enough yet.

 

[vincentzygo]

Bump

 

[FutureExoticChad]

Could you PM me a photo of what you look like now?

 

[AryanSchizo]

ayee i’ve seen ur thread on botb

 

[Ape101]

Could you PM me a photo of what you look like now?

 

[Sicilian Cyclops]

did you notice an FOV increase with the wider IPD?

 

[Ape101]

did you notice an FOV increase with the wider IPD?

Yeah, I no longer need to turn my head while reversing

 

[zemult]

OP, I wish you the best with your future procedures and hope they go as smoothly as possible. I also really commend your passion for hardmaxxing and your contribution to the community. But you have to consider how most users here see this situation.

There haven’t been any results posted for nearly 2 years, only ratios for some reason. You can say nothing was botched, but words alone don’t mean much since bias plays a big role in many cosmetic surgery cases. Just look at the filler cases where foids believe they look great, but to everyone else they don’t look good or natural at all.

If you’re that worried that minor eye-area falios will affect how people perceive your progress, then you probably shouldn’t have posted anything until you could share results. Right now it just comes across as an excuse. Minor soft tissue issues aren’t going to change how your eye spacing is judged by people here with a developed frontal lobe, especially if you had clear before-and-after pictures.

It seems like there are only two possibilities. Either you fell into instant gratification by trying to build a reputation here right away—which would be unfortunate, since your story so far suggests the opposite—or you were actually botched.

 

[LEFORT17]

I’ve been receiving a lot of DMs lately asking for updates on my orbital box osteotomy (OBO) results as well as general hardmaxxing advice. I’ve replied to many of you one on one, but I’m honestly tired of repeating the same points, so I’m putting it all here.


1. Surgical Journey
As I’ve said before, I will only post results once my entire surgical plan is complete. The final hard tissue phase (bimax + orbital osteotomy (a variation similar to tripod)) is scheduled for next month, in the same round as Clavicular's surgery in case you are following his journey. Assuming no complications, that will mark the end of the bone work.


Some people have suggested I at least post my eye area now. I’m not doing that. There are still minor soft tissue issues that would distort perception. The reality is, most people here can’t evaluate a surgery in context, they’ll fixate on something like an eyelid that still needs work instead of understanding the bigger picture. I’d rather present everything once it’s finished.


2. Advice, Morphs, and Contact
If you’re looking for advice, morphs, or info in general, don’t DM me here. I’ve set up a dedicated X (Twitter) account for this. I’ll be posting free morphs and sharing detailed info there. Follow me and DM me on X if you want to reach out.

X: https://x.com/BlackpillBp

how old are you boyo

 

[FlotPSL]

I’ve been receiving a lot of DMs lately asking for updates on my orbital box osteotomy (OBO) results as well as general hardmaxxing advice. I’ve replied to many of you one on one, but I’m honestly tired of repeating the same points, so I’m putting it all here.


1. Surgical Journey
As I’ve said before, I will only post results once my entire surgical plan is complete. The final hard tissue phase (bimax + orbital osteotomy (a variation similar to tripod)) is scheduled for next month, in the same round as Clavicular's surgery in case you are following his journey. Assuming no complications, that will mark the end of the bone work.


Some people have suggested I at least post my eye area now. I’m not doing that. There are still minor soft tissue issues that would distort perception. The reality is, most people here can’t evaluate a surgery in context, they’ll fixate on something like an eyelid that still needs work instead of understanding the bigger picture. I’d rather present everything once it’s finished.


2. Advice, Morphs, and Contact
If you’re looking for advice, morphs, or info in general, don’t DM me here. I’ve set up a dedicated X (Twitter) account for this. I’ll be posting free morphs and sharing detailed info there. Follow me and DM me on X if you want to reach out.

X: https://x.com/BlackpillBp

Hope everything goes well bro

 

[NuclearGeo20]

Why would you go to 69mm IPD if the ideal is 65mm?

 

[Mainlander]

True Looksmaxxer

Mirin

Good luck with your plan

 

[FutureExoticChad]

OP, I wish you the best with your future procedures and hope they go as smoothly as possible. I also really commend your passion for hardmaxxing and your contribution to the community. But you have to consider how most users here see this situation.

There haven’t been any results posted for nearly 2 years, only ratios for some reason. You can say nothing was botched, but words alone don’t mean much since bias plays a big role in many cosmetic surgery cases. Just look at the filler cases where foids believe they look great, but to everyone else they don’t look good or natural at all.

If you’re that worried that minor eye-area falios will affect how people perceive your progress, then you probably shouldn’t have posted anything until you could share results. Right now it just comes across as an excuse. Minor soft tissue issues aren’t going to change how your eye spacing is judged by people here with a developed frontal lobe, especially if you had clear before-and-after pictures.

It seems like there are only two possibilities. Either you fell into instant gratification by trying to build a reputation here right away—which would be unfortunate, since your story so far suggests the opposite—or you were actually botched.

Exactly. I really just wanted to see for myself to decide objectively whether he actually ascended, or got botched and is trying to salvage what little he has left for some reps on this forum. Its not like some minor soft-tissue inflammation or lack of recovery would be the reason as to why I wouldn't be able to asses whether or not he actually ascended.

And yeh, posting about getting surgery than choosing not to show the results = botched but wants to gain status from the surgery and not gain status from the actual results. Good reply bro

 

[Ape101]

OP, I wish you the best with your future procedures and hope they go as smoothly as possible. I also really commend your passion for hardmaxxing and your contribution to the community. But you have to consider how most users here see this situation.

There haven’t been any results posted for nearly 2 years, only ratios for some reason. You can say nothing was botched, but words alone don’t mean much since bias plays a big role in many cosmetic surgery cases. Just look at the filler cases where foids believe they look great, but to everyone else they don’t look good or natural at all.

If you’re that worried that minor eye-area falios will affect how people perceive your progress, then you probably shouldn’t have posted anything until you could share results. Right now it just comes across as an excuse. Minor soft tissue issues aren’t going to change how your eye spacing is judged by people here with a developed frontal lobe, especially if you had clear before-and-after pictures.

It seems like there are only two possibilities. Either you fell into instant gratification by trying to build a reputation here right away—which would be unfortunate, since your story so far suggests the opposite—or you were actually botched.

You wouldn’t be calling this an excuse if you had take a look at even one of the many posts where the exact same scenario occurred. The follow-up surgeries were originally scheduled much sooner, but delays were outside of my control. Regardless, this was a major breakthrough in looksmaxxing, and I won’t apologize for posting about it even without attaching pictures to the original post. Many people interested in the OBO have already seen my photos through Giant, confirming the operation’s success. I’ve addressed this repeatedly, so from now on I’ll simply ignore these kinds of questions.

 

[Ape101]

how old are you boyo

21

 

[Ape101]

Why would you go to 69mm IPD if the ideal is 65mm?

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Each case is unique, these are just general guidelines for the average face

 

[zemult]

You wouldn’t be calling this an excuse if you had take a look at even one of the many posts where the exact same scenario occurred. The follow-up surgeries were originally scheduled much sooner, but delays were outside of my control. Regardless, this was a major breakthrough in looksmaxxing, and I won’t apologize for posting about it even without attaching pictures to the original post. Many people interested in the OBO have already seen my photos through Giant, confirming the operation’s success. I’ve addressed this repeatedly, so from now on I’ll simply ignore these kinds of questions.

Corroborating this procedure’s “success” with people tied to Giant proves nothing and circles back to my original reply—of course that circle is going to hype the result. The problem is it's been nearly 2 years now and we have not gotten a single picture to actually prove anything. You yourself are clearly afraid of what the userbase on here will think considering you're coming up with constant excuses "oh we haven't done the soft tissue yet, everyone will get a bad idea, blabla".

You've been wasting everyone's time for nearly 2 years, promising results and expecting the userbase to trust that you weren't botched. All we've gotten is random ratios, which we don't even know are true or not, and most of them already fell into the ideal to begin with. What do you expect the userbase here to think?

You either got botched, or made the mistake of getting instant gratification from gathering reputation on here so you could become like the others. Someone as knowledgeable as you knows that delays are always to be expected, especially with Giant, who has a waitlist of patients. Yet you chose the time you got the procedure done to share this story, and now here we are 2 years later with nothing but broken promises because supposedly the OBO only looks good when other procedures are done. I don't know a single other hardmaxxing thread where this was ever the case.

 

[LEFORT17]

21

damn u from europe ig too

 

[NuclearGeo20]

Each case is unique, these are just general guidelines for the average face

Could you provide evidence if you don't mind

In my analyzation what determines if the eyes look close or far set is the actual distance between the eyes and inner canthuses, not the ESR.

My proof is the following.

Jordan Barrett has .42 ESR but his eyes don't look close set because his eyes are the proper distance from each other, but his face is too wide, which we can objectively see. This is what causes the .42 ESR.

On the other hand, someone like Jared Padelecki has an ESR of .45, but his eyes are farther apart than average, but his skull is also huge. He looks wide set despite having .45.

 

[Devon]

Corroborating this procedure’s “success” with people tied to Giant proves nothing and circles back to my original reply—of course that circle is going to hype the result. The problem is it's been nearly 2 years now and we have not gotten a single picture to actually prove anything. You yourself are clearly afraid of what the userbase on here will think considering you're coming up with constant excuses "oh we haven't done the soft tissue yet, everyone will get a bad idea, blabla".

You've been wasting everyone's time for nearly 2 years, promising results and expecting the userbase to trust that you weren't botched. All we've gotten is random ratios, which we don't even know are true or not, and most of them already fell into the ideal to begin with. What do you expect the userbase here to think?

You either got botched, or made the mistake of getting instant gratification from gathering reputation on here so you could become like the others. Someone as knowledgeable as you knows that delays are always to be expected, especially with Giant, who has a waitlist of patients. Yet you chose the time you got the procedure done to share this story, and now here we are 2 years later with nothing but broken promises because supposedly the OBO only looks good when other procedures are done. I don't know a single other hardmaxxing thread where this was ever the case.

How was he wasting anyones time? If anyone was seriously interested in obo they can get result photos once they show proof of funds /ct... he doesnt owe anything to anyone on here and its honestly miraculous hes been willing to share this much and help as many users as he has considering he keeps receiving 2 iq comments like this that dont mean anything

 

[zemult]

How was he wasting anyones time? If anyone was seriously interested in obo they can get result photos once they show proof of funds /ct... he doesnt owe anything to anyone on here and its honestly miraculous hes been willing to share this much and help as many users as he has considering he keeps receiving 2 iq comments like this that dont mean anything

He doesn't owe anything to this forum, but he's the one that willingly made a post to the forum about his OBO, gave random ratios that were already within the ideal, and nothing more. Make it make sense lol. Afraid to share the results 2 years later because of "soft tissue problems" although people within Giant supposedly like the result. Stop treating him like some Jesus because he spent $30K on a surgery, even if it's money you will never touch in your life.

 

[Devon]

He doesn't owe anything to this forum, but he's the one that willingly made a post to the forum about his OBO, gave random ratios that were already within the ideal, and nothing more. Make it make sense lol. Afraid to share the results 2 years later because of "soft tissue problems" although people within Giant supposedly like the result. Stop treating him like some Jesus because he spent $30K on a surgery, even if it's money you will never touch in your life.

Ill have 30k within the next couple of months so I have no idea wtf your on about and hes actually helpful user here unlike people such as yourself

 

[fika2]

21

U got the surgery at 19? mirin

 

[NuclearGeo20]

He doesn't owe anything to this forum, but he's the one that willingly made a post to the forum about his OBO, gave random ratios that were already within the ideal, and nothing more. Make it make sense lol. Afraid to share the results 2 years later because of "soft tissue problems" although people within Giant supposedly like the result. Stop treating him like some Jesus because he spent $30K on a surgery, even if it's money you will never touch in your life.

are you against OBO. I want to get it done

 

[zemult]

Ill have 30k within the next couple of months so I have no idea wtf your on about and hes actually helpful user here unlike people such as yourself

So helpful that he's managed to provide even less information than CosmicMaxxer on OBO.

 

[NuclearGeo20]

So helpful that he's managed to provide even less information than CosmicMaxxer on OBO.

it's fine honestly... I think we should all just wait, and if Giant is as good as he says he is, he can prove that on call

 

[zemult]

are you against OBO. I want to get it done

If you've truly tried everything else and it's a massive falio of yours, go right ahead if you have nothing to lose. But as of now the evidence from normal OBO's and Giant's suggests this procedure is far from perfect, it can fuck over your ICD and leave an uncanny look with some complications.

Some people that just have closer-than-ideal IPD could benefit more from implants or fat grafting, and it'd have a way higher ROI.

it's fine honestly... I think we should all just wait, and if Giant is as good as he says he is, he can prove that on call

Giant is great with implants for sure. But yes, if you're serious about OBO and see it as the only way, you should try and get a consultation with Giant to get more information as he'd be willing to provide (good luck with that though, the waitlist is brutal from what I've heard). From an outsider looking in, I just can't help but to see this in a negative light currently.

 

[NuclearGeo20]

If you've truly tried everything else and it's a massive falio of yours, go right ahead if you have nothing to lose. But as of now the evidence from normal OBO's and Giant's suggests this procedure is far from perfect, it can fuck over your ICD and leave an uncanny look with some complications.

Some people that just have closer-than-ideal IPD could benefit more from implants or fat grafting, and it'd have a way higher ROI.


Giant is great with implants for sure. But yes, if you're serious about OBO and see it as the only way, you should try and get a consultation with Giant to get more information as he'd be willing to provide (good luck with that though, the waitlist is brutal from what I've heard). From an outsider looking in, I just can't help but to see this in a negative light currently.

My IPD is 61mm. When I morph myself with a better IPD my face appears to gain 1 point in attractiveness.

After I lean down, get a tan, and fix my gut health I'll for sure be a 6 out of 10, combined with the OBO.

I've heard some bad reviews about Cindirli, but I wonder if I could just get Ercin to do the surgery instead.

The morph isn't perfect, but do you think the ROI is good.

After getting OBO, I would get more surgeries so the journey wouldn't just stop there

 

[zemult]

My IPD is 61mm. When I morph myself with a better IPD my face appears to gain 1 point in attractiveness.

View attachment 4030012

After I lean down, get a tan, and fix my gut health I'll for sure be a 6 out of 10, combined with the OBO.

I've heard some bad reviews about Cindirli, but I wonder if I could just get Ercin to do the surgery instead.

The morph isn't perfect, but do you think the ROI is good.

After getting OBO, I would get more surgeries so the journey wouldn't just stop there

You definitely look better, but not by a point, you have way bigger problems than what OBO would solve.

I do think Giant is the best for OBO though, he uses the safest means of doing OBO - remember OBO is an extremely high-risk surgery otherwise. I'm just not a fan of OBO generally as a cosmetic procedure unless you're deformed.

 

[aids]

Good luck brother. Hope it's a success

 

[Richard Cheese]

appears out of nowhere
starts shilling twitter
you tight on money boy trying to make somth back

 

[NuclearGeo20]

You definitely look better, but not by a point, you have way bigger problems than what OBO would solve.

I do think Giant is the best for OBO though, he uses the safest means of doing OBO - remember OBO is an extremely high-risk surgery otherwise. I'm just not a fan of OBO generally as a cosmetic procedure unless you're deformed.

My whole plan looks like this;

Softmaxx; Lean down, tan, grow out hair for 3 years, debloat/fix gut, get denser eyebrows and beard

Hardmaxx

OBO for 4mm IPD

Lefort 2 DO+Bimax
Facial Implants (Jaw, Chin, Supra, Infra)

Skull+Frontal Bone Implants

Soft tissue work (canthopexy, lower eyelid retraction, subnasale lip lift, commisuroplasty)

(Plan might change)

I think I can reach at least Chadlite

 

[zemult]

My whole plan looks like this;

Softmaxx; Lean down, tan, grow out hair for 3 years, debloat/fix gut, get denser eyebrows and beard

Hardmaxx

OBO for 4mm IPD

View attachment 4030035

Lefort 2 DO+Bimax
Facial Implants (Jaw, Chin, Supra, Infra)

View attachment 4030042

Skull+Frontal Bone Implants

Soft tissue work (canthopexy, lower eyelid retraction, subnasale lip lift, commisuroplasty)

(Plan might change)

I think I can reach at least Chadlite

If I were you, I would do OBO last. Not only is it the most expensive (besides Bimax), but it's the most risky. Your IPD is not death tier. Your recession and overall bonelessness is death tier. Overall a solid plan. Also beware of commisuroplasty because from what I've researched there is little information about it online, it could provide scarring worse than a lip lift, also little surgeons offer it.

 

[NuclearGeo20]

If I were you, I would do OBO last. Not only is it the most expensive (besides Bimax), but it's the most risky. Your IPD is not death tier. Your recession and overall bonelessness is death tier. Overall a solid plan. Also beware of commisuroplasty because from what I've researched there is little information about it online, it could provide scarring worse than a lip lift.

true on the commisuroplasty. From what I know it's only done on deformed people. I think I could grow out my moustache to cover up my mouth corners, in combination with a subnasale lip lift for the ideal philtrum.

If I were to delay OBO, my plan would then look like this

LF2+DJS+Jaw Implants
OBO
Facial and skull Implants
Soft tissues + fat grafting (forgot to add)

So I would only be delaying it by one surgery. I dont know if I could hit CL without OBO which makes me worried, but Ill prob keep researching and find out the best plan forward.

 

[Linus1888]

My whole plan looks like this;

Softmaxx; Lean down, tan, grow out hair for 3 years, debloat/fix gut, get denser eyebrows and beard

Hardmaxx

OBO for 4mm IPD

View attachment 4030035

Lefort 2 DO+Bimax
Facial Implants (Jaw, Chin, Supra, Infra)

View attachment 4030042

Skull+Frontal Bone Implants

Soft tissue work (canthopexy, lower eyelid retraction, subnasale lip lift, commisuroplasty)

(Plan might change)

I think I can reach at least Chadlite

That second morph is insanity, looks like another human

 

[zemult]

true on the commisuroplasty. From what I know it's only done on deformed people. I think I could grow out my moustache to cover up my mouth corners, in combination with a subnasale lip lift for the ideal philtrum.

View attachment 4030089

If I were to delay OBO, my plan would then look like this

LF2+DJS+Jaw Implants
OBO
Facial and skull Implants
Soft tissues + fat grafting (forgot to add)

So I would only be delaying it by one surgery. I dont know if I could hit CL without OBO which makes me worried, but Ill prob keep researching and find out the best plan forward.

Overall wish you the best of luck. Just focus on the bones and soft features, which have high ROI, and if you're still not satisfied, then you can go for the more risky choices.

 

[NuclearGeo20]

Overall wish you the best of luck. Just focus on the bones and soft features, which have high ROI, and if you're still not satisfied, then you can go for the more risky choices.

thx brotha

 

[NuclearGeo20]

That second morph is insanity, looks like another human

thecel made it