One of the biggest contradictions in Quran

[Jason Voorhees]

In surah 9:30

The Jews say, “Ezra is the son of Allah,” while the Christians say, “The Messiah is the son of Allah.” Such are their baseless assertions, only parroting the words of earlier disbelievers. May Allah condemn them! How can they be deluded ˹from the truth˺?

Prophet Muhammad claims that the Jews worshipped Ezra.

One common defection I've read about is that he was talking about some small sect of Jews but this is again proven to be false in sahih Muslim 1 Hadith 352 that was referring not some small sect but all Jews

No convincing explanation for this by any muslim scholar so far. The only arguments are the first one that he was talking small sect proven to be false. Some argue it refers to extreme veneration not literal belief and the third belief that existed but disappeared and then some argue it's translation or word of play. All mostly deflections. No clear cut explanation for this so far.

And this is condemning all Jews of burning in hell because they worshipped Ezra but there is like
0 proof they ever did. It isn't just a small oopsie and still remains one of the biggest contradictions in Islam alongside crucifixion and identification of Mary.

 

[hxmzx00]

No

 

[Jason Voorhees]

No

No

 

[hxmzx00]

No

Your wrong

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Your wrong

Prove me wrong

 

[hxmzx00]

Prove me wrong

There’s no point

 

[Jason Voorhees]

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[edcel]

There’s no point

 

[hxmzx00]

That was soooooooooooooo funny -tel aviv

 

[therealdeal877]

Gazillion year old book written by arab monkeys is entirely wrong shocking news

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@Nathan Fielder @Swarthy Knight

 

[hxmzx00]

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[1966Ford]

The Quran claims Jews worshipped Ezra as God's son, but literally no kikes group ever, in all of history, actually believed this. Islamic scholars have been doing damage control for centuries, saying "uhhh it was probably some tiny sect in Arabia that's gone now," but even they admit there's zero evidence these people existed. Recently some academics have thrown out theories that maybe there was confusion with a rabbi named Eliezer who got called "My son" in Jewish texts, or maybe they mixed him up with some angel lore going around back then.

 

[Tyler1]

Are you Christian?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

The Quran claims Jews worshipped Ezra as God's son, but literally no kikes group ever, in all of history, actually believed this. Islamic scholars have been doing damage control for centuries, saying "uhhh it was probably some tiny sect in Arabia that's gone now," but even they admit there's zero evidence these people existed. Recently some academics have thrown out theories that maybe there was confusion with a rabbi named Eliezer who got called "My son" in Jewish texts, or maybe they mixed him up with some angel lore going around back then.

Why no rep then?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Are you Christian?

Yes

 

[Jason Voorhees]

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[Lonely]

In surah 9:30



Prophet Muhammad claims that the Jews worshipped Ezra.

One common defection I've read about is that he was talking about some small sect of Jews but this is again proven to be false in sahih Muslim 1 Hadith 352 that was referring not some small sect but all Jews

View attachment 4874690

No convincing explanation for this by any muslim scholar so far. The only arguments are the first one that he was talking small sect proven to be false. Some argue it refers to extreme veneration not literal belief and the third belief that existed but disappeared and then some argue it's translation or word of play. All mostly deflections. No clear cut explanation for this so far.

And this is condemning all Jews of burning in hell because they worshipped Ezra. But like there's 0 proof they ever did. It isn't just a small oopsie and still remains one of the biggest contradictions in Islam alongside crucifixion and identification of Mary.

The Quran claims Jews worshipped Ezra as God's son, but literally no kikes group ever, in all of history, actually believed this. Islamic scholars have been doing damage control for centuries, saying "uhhh it was probably some tiny sect in Arabia that's gone now," but even they admit there's zero evidence these people existed. Recently some academics have thrown out theories that maybe there was confusion with a rabbi named Eliezer who got called "My son" in Jewish texts, or maybe they mixed him up with some angel lore going around back then.

The verse is criticising an exaggerated and exalted view the Jews had of Ezra, not literally saying that Jews believed he was the son of God.

9:31 (which is the next verse) and the associated Hadith with it show how Islam views making someone a supreme lawgiver is a form of ascribing divinity

Anyways…even if this wasn’t the case…criticising a small sect of Jews for doing it is hardly a contradiction?

 

[dhusc]

In surah 9:30



Prophet Muhammad claims that the Jews worshipped Ezra.

One common defection I've read about is that he was talking about some small sect of Jews but this is again proven to be false in sahih Muslim 1 Hadith 352 that was referring not some small sect but all Jews

View attachment 4874690

No convincing explanation for this by any muslim scholar so far. The only arguments are the first one that he was talking small sect proven to be false. Some argue it refers to extreme veneration not literal belief and the third belief that existed but disappeared and then some argue it's translation or word of play. All mostly deflections. No clear cut explanation for this so far.

And this is condemning all Jews of burning in hell because they worshipped Ezra. But like there's 0 proof they ever did. It isn't just a small oopsie and still remains one of the biggest contradictions in Islam alongside crucifixion and identification of Mary.

The Qur’an, the Jews and Ezra as the Son of God

by Jonathan Brown on 27 July 2016 Jonathan Brown is the Alwaleed bin Talal Chair of Islamic Civilization in the School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University, and he is the Associate Director …

bloggingtheology.net

 

[Jason Voorhees]

The verse is criticising an exaggerated and exalted view the Jews had of Ezra, not literally saying that Jews believed he was the son of God.

9:31 (which is the next verse) and the associated Hadith with it show how Islam views making someone a supreme lawgiver is a form of ascribing divinity

I already addressed this argument in the OP and still there's 0 proof for even this in non Islamic text.

 

[Lonely]

I already addressed this argument in the OP and still there's 0 proof for even this in non Islamic text.

You just said it’s a deflection. You didn’t counter it.

 

[hxmzx00]

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[Futur_streamerr]

Religions texts have been rewritten and left ambiguous on purpose to cause conflict

 

[Lonely]

Religions texts have been rewritten and left ambiguous on purpose to cause conflict

The Quran has been unchanged since its inception, verified by countless oral chains and carbon dated manuscripts

 

[Futur_streamerr]

The Quran has been unchanged since its inception, verified by countless oral chains and carbon dated manuscripts

This can’t be proven, and they can still be altered

 

[Lonely]

This can’t be proven, and they can still be altered

You can take a verse from when the era it was sent down

And you can take the same verse now

And it’s the same

Is that not proof?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

You just said it’s a deflection. You didn’t counter it.

It has already been rejected by W. Montgomery Watt, Michael Cook and all the western and Jewish scholars who studied early Islam and Late Antiquity everyone except islamic apologists like @1966Ford said.

There's just no proof of it at all. The only thing that has slight possibility is that it was a small forgotten sect in Arabia at the time but that is something you can claim for anything.

 

[Lonely]

It has already been rejected by W. Montgomery Watt, Michael Cook and all the western and Jewish scholars who studied early Islam and Late Antiquity everyone except islamic apologists like @1966Ford said.

There's just no proof of it at all. The only thing that has slight possibility is that it was a small forgotten sect in Arabia at the time but that is something you can claim for anything.

Uhm, I don’t think any of the people you mentioned specifically said “No, the Jews did not elevate Ezra and give him a special, higher status” which is what the Quran is saying…?

 

[Zaref]

It's a critique the excessive veneration or exaggerated reverence that (some) Jews showed toward Ezra, elevating him to a status that bordered on or amounted to associating partners with God.

Jews used very exaggerated language in praising him sometimes calling him a "second Moses"

 

[MixedBoyo12]

Mo also had diddy parties in the dessert

 

[asdvek]

Who could've guessed that some sand religion that desert rats worship is bullshit

 

[anthony267]

In surah 9:30



Prophet Muhammad claims that the Jews worshipped Ezra.

One common defection I've read about is that he was talking about some small sect of Jews but this is again proven to be false in sahih Muslim 1 Hadith 352 that was referring not some small sect but all Jews

View attachment 4874690

No convincing explanation for this by any muslim scholar so far. The only arguments are the first one that he was talking small sect proven to be false. Some argue it refers to extreme veneration not literal belief and the third belief that existed but disappeared and then some argue it's translation or word of play. All mostly deflections. No clear cut explanation for this so far.

And this is condemning all Jews of burning in hell because they worshipped Ezra. But like there's 0 proof they ever did. It isn't just a small oopsie and still remains one of the biggest contradictions in Islam alongside crucifixion and identification of Mary.

interesting a high iq post

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@childishkillah explain muslim scholar

 

[cortisolman2]

This can’t be proven, and they can still be altered

gng even chritain scholars say the quran has not been changed we muslims have th eoriginal quran which was made at the time of the phrophet and its exactly word by word the same to the one today lowest iq claim ive ever seen

 

[cortisolman2]

The Qur’an, the Jews and Ezra as the Son of God

by Jonathan Brown on 27 July 2016 Jonathan Brown is the Alwaleed bin Talal Chair of Islamic Civilization in the School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University, and he is the Associate Director …

bloggingtheology.net

It has already been rejected by W. Montgomery Watt, Michael Cook and all the western and Jewish scholars who studied early Islam and Late Antiquity everyone except islamic apologists like @1966Ford said.

There's just no proof of it at all. The only thing that has slight possibility is that it was a small forgotten sect in Arabia at the time but that is something you can claim for anything.

non islamic text

 

[Futur_streamerr]

gng even chritain scholars say the quran has not been changed we muslims have th eoriginal quran which was made at the time of the phrophet and its exactly word by word the same to the one today lowest iq claim ive ever seen

Chill. What is claimed might not be true and can’t be for sure verified. Either way religious text are made to divide us

 

[cortisolman2]

 

[cortisolman2]

@Jason Voorhees looks like your "claim" got debunked i swear i watched this one video showing a full dunking of this "contradiction" but i can find it anymore

 

[Jager]

who couldve guessed a book written by a pedophile goat rapist is false
great thread

 

[MixedBoyo12]

gng even chritain scholars say the quran has not been changed we muslims have th eoriginal quran which was made at the time of the phrophet and its exactly word by word the same to the one today lowest iq claim ive ever seen

Mohammed (police be upon him) often got “revelations” as he needed, he also couldn’t read or write and thought Satan was attacking him, so you’ve already lost here but I’ll add too, the Quran as presented is based off “he said she said” from what was took hundreds of years after he died, all Islam is a monotheist creation of combing all the nearby Arab pagan religions and stuff from Judaism and ofc Christianity into one, doesn’t mean it’s right, pagan Arabs already used the kabba for rituals too

 

[Jason Voorhees]

non islamic text

@Jason Voorhees looks like your "claim" got debunked i swear i watched this one video showing a full dunking of this "contradiction" but i can find it anymore

I've already all read all these arguments and articles while researching this topic. Nothing got debunked. It remains as is one of the biggest contradictions and something only Muslim apologists contests and no one else accepts.

There's not a single ounce of proof of it outside of the Hadith and Quran but since Quran is a self authenticating revelation it doesn't need any external proof to muslims so they believe it.

 

[cortisolman2]

Mohammed (police be upon him) often got “revelations” as he needed, he also couldn’t read or write and thought Satan was attacking him, so you’ve already lost here but I’ll add too, the Quran as presented is based off “he said she said” from what was took hundreds of years after he died, all Islam is a monotheist creation of combing all the nearby Arab pagan religions and stuff from Judaism and ofc Christianity into one, doesn’t mean it’s right, pagan Arabs already used the kabba for rituals too

first off all your writing is shit second wheres the hadith? where the ayah? theres no proof to the claims your putting down here
how about instead saying anything show us the source and proof like hadiths from al bukhari or ayahs in the quran itself

 

[exvh]

@Jason Voorhees what religion do you practice? I am (or was) Muslim but idk as of late.

 

[MixedBoyo12]

I’m not the most religious but even anyone with above average Somali IQ can tell Jesus was a better person then Mohammed, Jesus did his miracles and such, when Mohammed was asked to do stuff he never could
Also why would Allah protect Jesus and send some imposter on the cross, but let Mohammed be poisoned to death
Another funny surah is after Mo died, people form his crew went to to his tomb to see if he would resserect like Jesus only for nothing to happen

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@Jason Voorhees what religion do you practice? I am (or was) Muslim but idk as of late.

I'm a Protestant.

 

[MixedBoyo12]

first off all your writing is shit second wheres the hadith? where the ayah? theres no proof to the claims your putting down here
how about instead saying anything show us the source and proof like hadiths from al bukhari or ayahs in the quran itself

name one miracle Mohammed performed besides “splitting the moon” cus only an inbred fcuk would belive that, yall also copy him way more than Christians copy Jesus, Christians like to do things like respect their neighbors, Muslims do things like copy how Mohamed ate, drank, and even how he used the bathroom, very weird

 

[cortisolman2]

I've already all read all these arguments and articles while researching this topic. Nothing got debunked. It remains as is one of the biggest contradictions and something only Muslim apologists contests and no one else accepts.

There's not a single ounce of proof of it outside of the Hadith and Quran but since Quran is a self authenticating revelation it doesn't need any external proof to muslims so they believe it.

im so educated myself about this stuff but as a counter i could easily say that the bibleisnt real because its been changed many many times and it has many yes many contradictions its honestly crazy how one contradiction you find is enough to say islam isnt real and honestly im sure its not even a contradiction where is it proven or written that there wasnt a group of jews worshiping ezra?
(Quran 9:31). In other words, Jews venerated Ezra so much that it was as if he were a god to them.4]
An explanation given by Muslim scholars from the time of al-Jāḥiẓ and al-Ṭabarī (d. 923) was that this belief had, in fact, been held by a group of Jews in Arabia, but that this sect had died out.

The Qur’an, the Jews and Ezra as the Son of God

by Jonathan Brown on 27 July 2016 Jonathan Brown is the Alwaleed bin Talal Chair of Islamic Civilization in the School of Foreign Service at Georgetown University, and he is the Associate Director …

bloggingtheology.net

 

[cortisolman2]

name one miracle Mohammed performed besides “splitting the moon” cus only an inbred fcuk would belive that, yall also copy him way more than Christians copy Jesus, Christians like to do things like respect their neighbors, Muslims do things like copy how Mohamed ate, drank, and even how he used the bathroom, very weird

split the moon,knew that the earth revovled around the sun not the opposite way , the salt and frsh water doesnt mix,many etc

 

[cortisolman2]

It has already been rejected by W. Montgomery Watt, Michael Cook and all the western and Jewish scholars who studied early Islam and Late Antiquity everyone except islamic apologists like @1966Ford said.

There's just no proof of it at all. The only thing that has slight possibility is that it was a small forgotten sect in Arabia at the time but that is something you can claim for anything.

thansk for repping ,e back

 

[MixedBoyo12]

split the moon,knew that the earth revovled around the sun not the opposite way , the salt and frsh water doesnt mix,many etc

U think he discovered what’s been known thousand of years before him