One thing that has been a big hurdle in leanmaxxing for me, avoid this mistake

[Deleted member 19551]

Anybody relates to this?

Having this complex where you're constantly anxious if you're lifting enough during your cut or getting in enough protein to not lose muscle mass, which complicates the entire thing and makes you eat 24/7 (due to high volume) and count your macros like a retard

I have this approach that's a little destructive but imo more efficient

Forget about your muscles period. Having a lean chiseled face is EVERYTHING. Get 80 grams of protein in and if you're 20%, you can go up to a 1k deficit and it won't be unhealthy. Completely forget about this anxiety and sacrifice whatever muscle loss you're gonna lose during the cut without caring

No weightlifting (extra cortisol for no reason, low intensity cardio only)


if you're so low T that your body is gonna let go of your muscle mass because you're on a deficit, you're most likely losing intramuscular fluff AKA sugar water . Fuck this noise, son


After you're done cutting, start a clean slate of lean bulking with like 100 calories

 

[Deleted member 16133]

fr nigga lean looks for life

 

[Deleted member 19551]

fr nigga lean looks for life

You're the best user in this entire dog shit forum

 

[Deleted member 17244]

Anybody relates to this?

Having this complex where you're constantly anxious if you're lifting enough during your cut or getting in enough protein to not lose muscle mass, which complicates the entire thing and makes you eat 24/7 (due to high volume) and count your macros like a retard

I have this approach that's a little destructive but imo more efficient

Forget about your muscles period. Having a lean chiseled face is EVERYTHING. Get 80 grams of protein in and if you're 20%, you can go up to a 1k deficit and it won't be unhealthy. Completely forget about this anxiety and sacrifice whatever muscle loss you're gonna lose during the cut without caring

No weightlifting (extra cortisol for no reason, low intensity cardio only)


if you're so low T that your body is gonna let go of your muscle mass because you're on a deficit, you're most likely losing intramuscular fluff AKA sugar water . Fuck this noise, son


After you're done cutting, start a clean slate of lean bulking with like 100 calories

nope, I've just given up fucking gymceling, I hate it. Now Im gonna stay with ottermode and that's all

 

[Deleted member 19551]

nope, I've just given up fucking gymceling, I hate it. Now Im gonna stay with ottermode and that's all

Honestly small framed men should not go to the gym imo. No point if you have a small frame + you're not using steroids. Twinkmaxx and fuck jbs


Do more light stuff. Just weighted push-ups, pull-ups, lateral raises, neck curls at home

 

[Gluteus]

Honestly small framed men should not go to the gym imo. No point if you have a small frame + you're not using steroids. Twinkmaxx and fuck jbs


Do more light stuff. Just weighted push-ups, pull-ups, lateral raises, neck curls at home

Twink maxing is nearly 100% dependent on your facial features, and it generally only works when you are in your teens and possibly early 20s.

For most guys with a small frame, gym is 100% required if you want to truly looks max.

 

[Deleted member 16133]

You're the best user in this entire dog shit forum

 

[Deleted member 17244]

Honestly small framed men should not go to the gym imo. No point if you have a small frame + you're not using steroids. Twinkmaxx and fuck jbs


Do more light stuff. Just weighted push-ups, pull-ups, lateral raises, neck curls at home

I do. I was roiding and it was so big looksmin, I dont recommend. Roiding = COPE. Bloated face even with e2 keeping low, acne, bloated physique, greasy hair all day, oily skin, high BP, hyperhidrosis. And I was only using T solo and kept estradiol in low-mid range

 

[Deleted member 19551]

Twink maxing is nearly 100% dependent on your facial features, and it generally only works when you are in your teens and possibly early 20s.

For most guys with a small frame, gym is 100% required if you want to truly looks max.

Obviously you need to have a prettyboy face

Natty gym maxing doesn't address the tiny ectomorphic frame, the effort/benefit ratio imo isn't worth it if the person finds it to be suffering. Some people enjoy working out


Small framed men will never look physically imposing without steroids, and steroids are cope for the vast majority of men due to garbage response, AKA back to square one which I'd androgen receptors

 

[Deleted member 19551]

I do. I was roiding and it was so big looksmin, I dont recommend. Roiding = COPE. Bloated face even with e2 keeping low, acne, bloated physique, greasy hair all day, oily skin, high BP, hyperhidrosis. And I was only using T solo and kept estradiol in low-mid range

I told the forum this and they booed me off the limelight. Every skinnyfat subhuman on this forum thinks a needle to their ass is gonna solve their femcel tier androgen receptors and 14 inch bicrimial with 0 compromise. Most men as you said bald HARD, acne from sebum, bloated as fuck, bloated body look due to roids retaining water in muscles

Roids work on few people and it's often a short-lived high

 

[Hero of the Imperium]

Hormones are important OP, so if that is saving you a lot of stress (= low T) then good for you

However, counting protein is not that hard; you just have to learn and familiarize yourself with how much protein you need and how to get it

Maybe you were cutting too hard which made thinking difficult. I suggest giving it another go

 

[Gluteus]

I do. I was roiding and it was so big looksmin, I dont recommend. Roiding = COPE. Bloated face even with e2 keeping low, acne, bloated physique, greasy hair all day, oily skin, high BP, hyperhidrosis. And I was only using T solo and kept estradiol in low-mid range

You can come off and keep most of your non-water gains as long as you did not exceed your genetic limit. You'll then be up a bunch of muscle and have no bloat.

If people are going to use gear to looks max they have to be strategic and adjust their strategy based on their genetic susceptibility to bloat, balding, etc.

 

[ItsOVERBuddyBoyos]

You can come off and keep most of your non-water gains as long as you did not exceed your genetic limit. You'll then be up a bunch of muscle and have no bloat.

If people are going to use gear to looks max they have to be strategic and adjust their strategy based on their genetic susceptibility to bloat, balding, etc.

You can't know if you'll norwood or bloat without starting your cycle though can you?

 

[JackHanma]

Anybody relates to this?

Having this complex where you're constantly anxious if you're lifting enough during your cut or getting in enough protein to not lose muscle mass, which complicates the entire thing and makes you eat 24/7 (due to high volume) and count your macros like a retard

I have this approach that's a little destructive but imo more efficient

Forget about your muscles period. Having a lean chiseled face is EVERYTHING. Get 80 grams of protein in and if you're 20%, you can go up to a 1k deficit and it won't be unhealthy. Completely forget about this anxiety and sacrifice whatever muscle loss you're gonna lose during the cut without caring

No weightlifting (extra cortisol for no reason, low intensity cardio only)


if you're so low T that your body is gonna let go of your muscle mass because you're on a deficit, you're most likely losing intramuscular fluff AKA sugar water . Fuck this noise, son


After you're done cutting, start a clean slate of lean bulking with like 100 calories

My experience with gains is that they’re pretty loyal for the most part. The muscle deflates a bit but doesn’t go away, and it’s easier to inflate than to build actual new contractile tissue.

 

[Deleted member 19551]

Hormones are important OP, so if that is saving you a lot of stress (= low T) then good for you

However, counting protein is not that hard; you just have to learn and familiarize yourself with how much protein you need and how to get it

Maybe you were cutting too hard which made thinking difficult. I suggest giving it another go

I live with my parents and we live in a remote suburb and my parents shop in bulk for groceries once a month. When I was cutting I just ate all of the protein rich foods in the fridge which was annoying them. All of that to save like 2 pounds of muscle even tho my physique hasn't changed for 3 years (it grew in 1 year and stopped after that)

No point for me to eat a high protein diet, and I hate protein powders. I think 80 grams is good enough

 

[Gluteus]

Obviously you need to have a prettyboy face

Natty gym maxing doesn't address the tiny ectomorphic frame, the effort/benefit ratio imo isn't worth it if the person finds it to be suffering. Some people enjoy working out


Small framed men will never look physically impulsive without steroids, and steroids are cope for the vast majority of men due to garbage response, AKA back to square one which I'd androgen receptors

+10 -15 lbs of LBM makes a huge difference for those with a tiny ectomorphic frame and can be gained my virtually anyone regardless of how atrocious their genetics are. If you dislike lifting and don't consider it worth it, that doesn't change that it is in fact a looks max, just one you choose not to take advantage of.

A bad muscle gaining response to roids means they won't ever looks like a Instgram influencer or IFBB pro, it doesn't mean virtually any roider can't gain + 30 - 40 lbs LBM from their untrained state.

 

[JackHanma]

+10 -15 lbs of LBM makes a huge difference for those with a tiny ectomorphic frame and can be gained my virtually anyone regardless of how atrocious their genetics are. If you dislike lifting and don't consider it worth it, that doesn't change that it is in fact a looks max, just one you choose not to take advantage of.

A bad muscle gaining response to roids means they won't ever looks like a Instgram influencer of IFBB pro, it doesn't mean virtually any roider can't gain + 30 - 40 lbs LBM from their untrained state.

I put on 40lb natty, at *least* 25 of that is raw dry tissue.

Face is important but lazybones on this forum like to write off the body for no reason

 

[Deleted member 19551]

+10 -15 lbs of LBM makes a huge difference for those with a tiny ectomorphic frame and can be gained my virtually anyone regardless of how atrocious their genetics are. If you dislike lifting and don't consider it worth it, that doesn't change that it is in fact a looks max, just one you choose not to take advantage of.

A bad muscle gaining response to roids means they won't ever looks like a Instgram influencer of IFBB pro, it doesn't mean virtually any roider can't gain + 30 - 40 lbs LBM from their untrained state.

Yeah obvs roiders can gain a lot, comes with its cons


15 pounds of muscle will obviously fill out a small framed guy, but it will very very slightly widen him, which is along with height the most important thing to looking physically imposing with clothes on. Ofc I still gymcel and think everyone should, but I still think natties with small frames shouldn't invest too much thinking or effort into it since their returns are lower

 

[Deleted member 19551]

I put on 40lb natty, at *least* 25 of that is raw dry tissue.

Face is important but lazybones on this forum like to write off the body for no reason

No one's writing off body

 

[Gluteus]

You can't know if you'll norwood or bloat without starting your cycle though can you?

You'll know if you're going to bloat pretty quickly and can strategically choose compounds with less water retention if you need to. It's also 100% temporary and will melt away a couple days after getting off orals, or a week or two after getting off injectables.

You'll have to look towards your family for your balding susceptibility and may have to choose less androgenic roids if you choose to cycle.

 

[Deleted member 17244]

I told the forum this and they booed me off the limelight. Every skinnyfat subhuman on this forum thinks a needle to their ass is gonna solve their femcel tier androgen receptors and 14 inch bicrimial with 0 compromise. Most men as you said bald HARD, acne from sebum, bloated as fuck, bloated body look due to roids retaining water in muscles

Roids work on few people and it's often a short-lived high

true. I'm not balding happily

 

[ItsOVERBuddyBoyos]

You'll know if you're going to bloat pretty quickly and can strategically choose compounds with less water retention if you need to. It's also 100% temporary and will melt away a couple days after getting off orals, or a week or two after getting off injectables.

You'll have to look towards your family for your balding susceptibility and may have to choose less androgenic roids if you choose to cycle.

Was thinking of 300-500mg of injectable T only?

I thought orals are really bad for you?

 

[freshpeppermint]

Anybody relates to this?

Having this complex where you're constantly anxious if you're lifting enough during your cut or getting in enough protein to not lose muscle mass, which complicates the entire thing and makes you eat 24/7 (due to high volume) and count your macros like a retard

I have this approach that's a little destructive but imo more efficient

Forget about your muscles period. Having a lean chiseled face is EVERYTHING. Get 80 grams of protein in and if you're 20%, you can go up to a 1k deficit and it won't be unhealthy. Completely forget about this anxiety and sacrifice whatever muscle loss you're gonna lose during the cut without caring

No weightlifting (extra cortisol for no reason, low intensity cardio only)


if you're so low T that your body is gonna let go of your muscle mass because you're on a deficit, you're most likely losing intramuscular fluff AKA sugar water . Fuck this noise, son


After you're done cutting, start a clean slate of lean bulking with like 100 calories

The issue with this is that if you cut too much you will lose hair. Not only that, if you don't lift weights and hold muscles, getting lean becomes much harder because having muscles is one of the only ways to ACTUALLY speed up your metabolic rate.

Has your approach worked for you?

 

[Gluteus]

Was thinking of 300-500mg of injectable T only?

I thought orals are really bad for you?

Orals are mainly bad in high dosages or for long term use. Although you should never use them if you drink a lot of alcohol or consume other liver damaging drugs.

Have AI on hand even if you use that much test. It's more than enough to turn you into a blowfish if you are sensitive to estrogen sides.

 

[ItsOVERBuddyBoyos]

Orals are mainly bad in high dosages or for long term use. Although you should never use them if you drink a lot of alcohol or consume other liver damaging drugs.

Have AI on hand even if you use that much test. It's more than enough to turn you into a blowfish if you are sensitive to estrogen sides.

I figured you normally cycle for 3-6months right?

So unless you can take orals for the entire time no point if youre going to pin anyway. But ill do some more research.

I thought 500mg was standard with 200-300mg being low dose?

I'll defo grab an AI and take quarter pill every day or something, or do you need high dosage? AI is fucked because if you take too much you crash you estrgoen.

 

[Deleted member 19551]

The issue with this is that if you cut too much you will lose hair. Not only that, if you don't lift weights and hold muscles, getting lean becomes much harder because having muscles is one of the only ways to ACTUALLY speed up your metabolic rate.

Has your approach worked for you?

That metabolic rate thing has actually been debunked. A pound of muscle adds 10~ calories to your metabolic rate. Even if you somehow managed to add 10 pounds of raw myofibril tissue (you wont), its 100 calories at best



Telogen effluvium comes from severe crash dieting. I'm eating 2000 calories and being on a 1k deficit at a high bodyfat. I lower my deficit as I get leaner (the rate of lipolysis drops as you drop total bodyfat, IE, if you're 10% on 1k deficit your body will draw energy from muscles faster than a 20% bodyfat person's body)


For me this approach is very much just psychological. If you live alone and control your groceries etc, the typical approach of gymceling along side a deficit is probably better


The reason I'm doing this is to basically get lean as fast as possible and I have no problem sacrificing muscle mass because I have a good amount + big frame and muscle memory should restore most of it after the cut is finished

 

[Deleted member 19551]

can't stand this site turning into gymcels.org

all these normies thinking the gym is gonna ascend their 5'10 height, 5 inch cock, and 5/10 face and they think adding tattoos and a fucking fade is gonna make them mog.

lean face is life lol this is exactly the point of my thread, being so preoccupied with muh muscles muh protein muh macros muh periodization muh volume muh muh

And at the end it's a 5'9 twink that added 10 millimeters to his bideltoid max without lat spreading


If you're gonna run gymcel halo (only works if you're tall) go all in with roids

 

[Gurthee_Dong]

I'm eating a ground beef and potato burrito right now is that okay?

 

[Chinacurry]

Biggest mistake I ever made was cutting cals too much and fucked my metabolism.

I'd say 500 cal deficit max, or 300 if u keep lifting hard while u cut

 

[Deleted member 19551]

Biggest mistake I ever made was cutting cals too much and fucked my metabolism.

I'd say 500 cal deficit max, or 300 if u keep lifting hard while u cut

No such thing as metabolic damage

 

[Yellowskies]

Anybody relates to this?

Having this complex where you're constantly anxious if you're lifting enough during your cut or getting in enough protein to not lose muscle mass, which complicates the entire thing and makes you eat 24/7 (due to high volume) and count your macros like a retard

I have this approach that's a little destructive but imo more efficient

Forget about your muscles period. Having a lean chiseled face is EVERYTHING. Get 80 grams of protein in and if you're 20%, you can go up to a 1k deficit and it won't be unhealthy. Completely forget about this anxiety and sacrifice whatever muscle loss you're gonna lose during the cut without caring

No weightlifting (extra cortisol for no reason, low intensity cardio only)


if you're so low T that your body is gonna let go of your muscle mass because you're on a deficit, you're most likely losing intramuscular fluff AKA sugar water . Fuck this noise, son


After you're done cutting, start a clean slate of lean bulking with like 100 calories

Sounds like you are stuck in the perpetual bulk/cut mindset

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Really when Ive cut the muscle loss is very minimal- like i was DB benching 45kg *11 peak bulked to 45kg*9 at the peak of my cut which is a neglible amount of muscle loss.

Infact youll probbaly look bigger at least in shirtless pics due to more defintion

 

[Deleted member 19551]

Sounds like you are stuck in the perpetual bulk/cut mindset

I'm cutting to 180 and never ever gaining weight after that

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Honestly small framed men should not go to the gym imo. No point if you have a small frame + you're not using steroids. Twinkmaxx and fuck jbs


Do more light stuff. Just weighted push-ups, pull-ups, lateral raises, neck curls at home

Cope I have small frame and ascended hard from natty gymmaxxing- I still dont look huge in clothes but I look great in shirtless pics

 

[Deleted member 19551]

Cope I have small frame and ascended hard from natty gymmaxxing- I still dont look huge in clothes but I look great in shirtless pics

Then you probably didn't have a small frame. What bideltoid did you start with? If 18, you're lying to yourself. If 20, you were never small framed

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Then you probably didn't have a small frame. What bideltoid did you start with? If 18, you're lying to yourself. If 20, you were never small framed

tbf I think my bideltoid ungymcelled is about average but i have very small ribcage and wrists

 

[Deleted member 19551]

tbf I think my bideltoid ungymcelled is about average but i have very small ribcage and wrists

Wrist and ribcage are a meme

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

Wrist and ribcage are a meme

okay well I have normal frame then I guess- but still it means i way very light weight for my height- peak of my cut i was 72kg but everyone guess my weight ad 80kg

 

[Deleted member 19551]

okay well I have normal frame then I guess- but still it means i way very light weight for my height- peak of my cut i was 72kg but everyone guess my weight ad 80kg

What's your height? 72 KG lean is not a low weight

 

[DoctorLooksmax]

What's your height? 72 KG lean is not a low weight

181cm- bare in mind when i say i was 72kg that was first thing in the morning, naked afgter a piss and shit etc. If I had weighed myself at random during rhe day in clothes (which is what most peopel do)- I wouldve probably been 74kg or something like that

 

[Deleted member 19551]

181cm

not low, keep watching roided cels on instagram

 

[Deleted member 19499]

Tried that, but my subhuman skinnyfat genetics made me lose all my muscle gains so it was as if I wasted my time gymcelling so now I'm eating at a maintenance level cause fuck bloatmaxxing.

 

[Yellowskies]

I'm cutting to 180 and never ever gaining weight after that

Love to hear that

 

[Yellowskies]

Tried that, but my subhuman skinnyfat genetics made me lose all my muscle gains so it was as if I wasted my time gymcelling so now I'm eating at a maintenance level cause fuck bloatmaxxing.

Skinnyfat or not

It’s not acceptable to carry fat

Better to be skinny lean

 

[Yellowskies]

Cope I have small frame and ascended hard from natty gymmaxxing- I still dont look huge in clothes but I look great in shirtless pics

Huge in clothes < having a lean face

 

[Tenshi]

gymcels really have no lives man