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Here is fragment of study where 22 years Old foid with class 3 and recession had treatment to move her maxilla forward.


This case report presents a 22-year-old girl with class III malocclusion due to maxillary deficiency. The patient was referred for presurgical orthodontics; however, she rejected the surgery. This case was treated by means of Tongue appliance and slow palatal expansion, followed by lower fixed appliance, reverse chin cup, and upper fixed appliance. Tongue appliance and slow palatal expansion were used at the beginning of the treatment. After 6 months, reverse chin cup and lower fixed appliance were added. Six months later reverse chin cup was removed and upper fixed appliance was mounted. Positive overbite and over jet were achieved after 24 months of active treatment. Nasolabial angle also showed improvement. Nonsurgical treatment of adult class III patients is a difficult procedure; however, this patient was treated nonsurgically.

All Expanders and puller were TOOTH borne
And treatment took 24 months.
You will say its fuckin long period of time and you Can get easy surgery
1. Some of you spend almost 250 days spaming here with shits, don't you think its a waste of your short life?
2.Surgery have high rate of relapse over time because of muscles memory only mewing can stop this, during non surgical treatment your muscles and tissues have time to adapt to new bone shape.
3. Surgeries which move whole maxilla are really hard to get, expensive and risk is quite high.
4.you can Also get surgery after orthodontic treatment, It won't work in opposite way
5. Slow changing bones make this much more natural than brutal osteotomy, all bones are connected to each other so you will fix more than Just one part.

And Here is a results of this treatment(idk how those drawing are called tell me please)
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Chin forward--could be easy to achieve this with genio
More forward alveoral ringe Lefort 1

But actually the most important is that whole nose was moved forward and upwards- only Lefort 3 would achieve something like that and nobody will get L3

So if moving maxilla is possible is it possible to go from vertical to horizontally face

Honesty, i don't know, in theory Yes since due to stress bone remove some cells and add other cels to adapt, we only don't know which force should be used to stimulate correct bone remodelling.

Images 3

We see that incisors drops 20mm and nose lenghten 10mm in vertical face.
To fix that you would need at lest 6-7 years of strong Bone borne Expander, pullers etc. No orthodontist would agree to do that Unless you have ortho in your family or are rich since money is the answer to most things.
 
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So you're saying it doesn't work?
 
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I thought tooth born doesnt move the maxilla.
 
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dn read but guessing its right gu djob
 
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Dn read. Just say tldr and does it work or not?
 
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What was the gain? 1mm for 2 years of facepulling? Lol
 
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yeah lifefuel study I also came across it a few days ago btw just train your tongue so much it becomes super man level and mogs facepullers jfl
 
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yeah lifefuel study I also came across it a few days ago btw just train your tongue so much it becomes super man level and mogs facepullers jfl
And how does one do that.
 
Still 2 fuckking years for 1 mm or even less
thats normal pressure from tongue not facepulling or hardmewing. Surgeries are cope ngl they just cut and move bones to mask the fucked up craniofacial dystrophy. A lefort 3 won't make your mandible come forward.
Some kind of maxillary protraction be it hardmewing or mse + fm is the only way forward growth should be achieved.
 
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thats normal pressure from tongue not facepulling or hardmewing. Surgeries are cope ngl they just cut and move bones to mask the fucked up craniofacial dystrophy. A lefort 3 won't make your mandible come forward.
Some kind of maxillary protraction be it hardmewing or mse + fm is the only way forward growth should be achieved.
bsso fucktard
 
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Good thread. People here need to realise there are other better ways to ascend without surgery
 
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Good thread. People here need to realise there are other better ways to ascend without surgery
Have u ever thought about leaving ur country and becoming a model else wear man.
 
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Good thread. People here need to realise there are other better ways to ascend without surgery
Mirin to you but i’ll never believe it was just “mewing” for you
 
That shit sound painful.
 
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Here is fragment of study where 22 years Old foid with class 3 and recession had treatment to move her maxilla forward.


This case report presents a 22-year-old girl with class III malocclusion due to maxillary deficiency. The patient was referred for presurgical orthodontics; however, she rejected the surgery. This case was treated by means of Tongue appliance and slow palatal expansion, followed by lower fixed appliance, reverse chin cup, and upper fixed appliance. Tongue appliance and slow palatal expansion were used at the beginning of the treatment. After 6 months, reverse chin cup and lower fixed appliance were added. Six months later reverse chin cup was removed and upper fixed appliance was mounted. Positive overbite and over jet were achieved after 24 months of active treatment. Nasolabial angle also showed improvement. Nonsurgical treatment of adult class III patients is a difficult procedure; however, this patient was treated nonsurgically.

All Expanders and puller were TOOTH borne
And treatment took 24 months.
You will say its fuckin long period of time and you Can get easy surgery
1. Some of you spend almost 250 days spaming here with shits, don't you think its a waste of your short life?
2.Surgery have high rate of relapse over time because of muscles memory only mewing can stop this, during non surgical treatment your muscles and tissues have time to adapt to new bone shape.
3. Surgeries which move whole maxilla are really hard to get, expensive and risk is quite high.
4.you can Also get surgery after orthodontic treatment, It won't work in opposite way
5. Slow changing bones make this much more natural than brutal osteotomy, all bones are connected to each other so you will fix more than Just one part.

And Here is a results of this treatment(idk how those drawing are called tell me please)
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Chin forward--could be easy to achieve this with genio
More forward alveoral ringe Lefort 1

But actually the most important is that whole nose was moved forward and upwards- only Lefort 3 would achieve something like that and nobody will get L3

So if moving maxilla is possible is it possible to go from vertical to horizontally face

Honesty, i don't know, in theory Yes since due to stress bone remove some cells and add other cels to adapt, we only don't know which force should be used to stimulate correct bone remodelling.

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We see that incisors drops 20mm and nose lenghten 10mm in vertical face.
To fix that you would need at lest 6-7 years of strong Bone borne Expander, pullers etc. No orthodontist would agree to do that Unless you have ortho in your family or are rich since money is the answer to most things.
Nice development bruh. What do you think about similar treatment for 28 year old guy? Non invasive, maybe face pulling and palate expansion after malocclusion correction.
 
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Good thread. People here need to realise there are other better ways to ascend without surgery
Can you honestly make a mewing guide?? I think everyone is doing it wrong because your results mog everyone. Do you thumb pull?? Do you hard mew? Please make an in-depth guide
 
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There's no way I would do this. I either get surgery or nothing.

Imagine I have a gf am I supposed to have Frankenstein devices in my mouth 24/7?
 
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Can you honestly make a mewing guide?? I think everyone is doing it wrong because your results mog everyone. Do you thumb pull?? Do you hard mew? Please make an in-depth guide
His guide is already on reddit, I've been doing exactly what he does and my zygos have started improving.
 
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There's no way I would do this. I either get surgery or nothing.

Imagine I have a gf am I supposed to have Frankenstein devices in my mouth 24/7?
My oneitis always complained about my brackets that we couldn't kiss properly or me doing certain stuff :oops:
 
I am pretty sure it worked cause she was a female. The growth plate of females are weaker then male. When a female uses MSE palette expander she dont need surgical assist to open the suture. A males whose growth palette closed always need to split open the suture.
 
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thats normal pressure from tongue not facepulling or hardmewing. Surgeries are cope ngl they just cut and move bones to mask the fucked up craniofacial dystrophy. A lefort 3 won't make your mandible come forward.
Some kind of maxillary protraction be it hardmewing or mse + fm is the only way forward growth should be achieved.
But most people here will do surgery anyways since it's much quicker regardless of the risk
 
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I am pretty sure it worked cause she was a female. The growth plate of females are weaker then male. When a female uses MSE palette expander she dont need surgical assist to open the suture. A males whose growth palette closed always need to split open the suture.
Agreed, Dr.Ting even said all of the facemask adult cases with really good results were females. Watch Ronald Eid interview, we alrdy know all of this. Not saying it's a bad thread but we know
 
Still 2 fuckking years for 1 mm or even less
Where did you read
I am pretty sure it worked cause she was a female. The growth plate of females are weaker then male. When a female uses MSE palette expander she dont need surgical assist to open the suture. A males whose growth palette closed always need to split open the suture.
Its weird cause it should be the opposite what you said cause foids skeleton ends growing at 13-14 While male 16-21. Bones should be easier to remodel in małe cases. Even Ting said that males are luckier in terms of expansion.
 
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Agreed, Dr.Ting even said all of the facemask adult cases with really good results were females. Watch Ronald Eid interview, we alrdy know all of this. Not saying it's a bad thread but we know
But still I think with surgical assist results should be good
Also is there a risk if you open suture surgically your upper maxilla won't expand?@Sergio-OMS ?
 
Can you honestly make a mewing guide?? I think everyone is doing it wrong because your results mog everyone. Do you thumb pull?? Do you hard mew? Please make an in-depth guide
He had greater mewing results cause he wasn't severely recessed. When you're severely recessed and narrow you need MSE To habituate mewing otherwise it'd be slower regardless of how young you are plus you're tongue won't stick up Naturally when you're palate is super narrow or high arched. Me personally, I'm getting better.
It's taken me 3 months of consistent hard mewing and taping my mouth sleeping on my back to even habituate mewing and I haven't even got MSE yet
 
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But most people here will do surgery anyways since it's much quicker regardless of the risk
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If you've seen my previous posts you'd know I've already consulted for a mod lf3+ lf1 + bsso. It could ascend me hard but I'm not doing it I don't feel like it is the answer. Gonna do MSE and FM and see where I end up before considering surgery. Also hardmewing is pretty legit my ogee curve has improved so much but people don't want to put in effort so don't get result either. No matter how much people bark for Salludon, he's put in effort 99% won't.

You can't explain his results with surgeries his cranial base improved. Evident by eye to nasion distance.
 
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If you've seen my previous posts you'd know I've already consulted for a mod lf3+ lf1 + bsso. It could ascend me hard but I'm not doing it I don't feel like it is the answer. Gonna do MSE and FM and see where I end up before considering surgery. Also hardmewing is pretty legit my ogee curve has improved so much but people don't want to put in effort so don't get result either. No matter how much people bark for Salludon, he's put in effort 99% won't.

You can't explain his results with surgeries his cranial base improved. Evident by eye to nasion distance.
Yeah bro, I'm doing same MSE+FM + mewing first only cause I'm young otherwise I would've done surgery straight up.
 
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Yeah bro, I'm doing same MSE+FM + mewing first only cause I'm young otherwise I would've done surgery straight up.
Hoping you ascend hard
 
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If you've seen my previous posts you'd know I've already consulted for a mod lf3+ lf1 + bsso. It could ascend me hard but I'm not doing it I don't feel like it is the answer. Gonna do MSE and FM and see where I end up before considering surgery. Also hardmewing is pretty legit my ogee curve has improved so much but people don't want to put in effort so don't get result either. No matter how much people bark for Salludon, he's put in effort 99% won't.

You can't explain his results with surgeries his cranial base improved. Evident by eye to nasion distance.
You mean his cheek line improved?
Images 4

And True the better smaller angle the higher and more forward nasion is projected
Images 5

Can you show his side profile? Before and after
 
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You mean his cheek line improved?
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Can you show his side profile? Before and after
His eyes almost looked bulging before, notice how in after nose to eye distance increased creating more deepset eyes.The changes are subtle in photos but you can't explain it with surgery and even if it was some surgery like a lefort 3 the forehead won't move forward and it would look off. Nose and forehead have to move together or he would've looked caveman tier if he only moved nose somehow and not forehead
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Can you show his side profile? Before and after
Also he's less aspie than us. I talk to him regularly he doesn't even know what infraorbitals mean lol
 
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Good thread. People here need to realise there are other better ways to ascend without surgery
Why do you keep lying about mewing you should be stoned tbh
 
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His eyes almost looked bulging before, notice how in after nose to eye distance increased creating more deepset eyes.The changes are subtle in photos but you can't explain it with surgery and even if it was some surgery like a lefort 3 the forehead won't move forward and it would look off. Nose and forehead have to move together or he would've looked caveman tier if he only moved nose somehow and not forehead
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@Salludon is that True?
By the way why your midface didn't become shorter?
 
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His eyes almost looked bulging before, notice how in after nose to eye distance increased creating more deepset eyes.The changes are subtle in photos but you can't explain it with surgery and even if it was some surgery like a lefort 3 the forehead won't move forward and it would look off. Nose and forehead have to move together or he would've looked caveman tier if he only moved nose somehow and not forehead
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Salludon wasn't severely recessed like me and others so obviously he had better results. With the base I have rn, it would take like 5-10 years of hard mewing to get as much forward growth he has in that after photo
 
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just lol @ doing this shit for years while rotting away ur prime. also just lol @ believing that mewing did shit for salludon. also just lol @ believing true recession can be fixed w/o surgery.

girls have quite diff responses btw, lower bone density means that doing force-based bone movements is a lot faster/simpler.
 
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Salludon wasn't severely recessed like me and others so obviously he had better results. With the base I have rn, it would take like 5-10 years of hard mewing to get as much forward growth he has in that after photo
I would agree but still worth trying perhaps more recessed people get faster results and it has diminishing returns? But you are doing mse and fm so surely you're gonna get faster results
 
I'm kind of confused about what mewing is.
Is it tongue on the roof of the mouth or is it how you chew or what?
Now everyone is saying incisor chewing is better than molar chewing. What does this do exactly? I know chewing can hypertrophy the masseter muscles, but why incisor over molars?
I had Invisalign braces the last year and it's straightened my teeth up nice but obviously didn't change my face at all.
Would Mewing/chewing help with jaw asymmetry?
Thanks
 
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I'm kind of confused about what mewing is.
Is it tongue on the roof of the mouth or is it how you chew or what?
Now everyone is saying incisor chewing is better than molar chewing. What does this do exactly? I know chewing can hypertrophy the masseter muscles, but why incisor over molars?
I had Invisalign braces the last year and it's straightened my teeth up nice but obviously didn't change my face at all.
Would Mewing/chewing help with jaw asymmetry?
Thanks
Incisor chewing if you want to attempt to get maxilla protraction or ccw rotation of the maxilla. Molar chewing is better for developing masseters but it also tends to lengthen midface a bit which isn't good for most of us on this forum. Simple, and yes mewing is pressing your entire tongue on the roof of the mouth. Most important is the back third. P.S. Suction hold version of mewing is most effective. And Yeah mewing and chewing will help with assymetry. There are also other factors including whether you stretch your neck consistency and what position you sleep on too
 
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just lol @ doing this shit for years while rotting away ur prime. also just lol @ believing that mewing did shit for salludon. also just lol @ believing true recession can be fixed w/o surgery.

girls have quite diff responses btw, lower bone density means that doing force-based bone movements is a lot faster/simpler.
jfl i know who its directed towards you should've tagged me bhai i dont mind being shat upon for believing in salludon
 
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