Orbital decompression or LL?

[BronzeSpartan2]

I am going to do one of these surgeries. I am 5’10 (exactly 5’9.7). I have bulging eyes (basically same eye area as Hamza Ahmed but better fat pads). I have decided to do one of these surgeries to ascend me. I’m ok in all other areas, rated as 6 by Wheat Waffles, 5.75 by Nero, 5.5 by FaceIQ.

Orbital decompression:
- not as risky as people think if only one wall is decompressed and that wall is lateral wall. Much lower risk this way.
- statistics online are for Graves’ disease patients who need much more decompression, so complication rate seems higher (complications are not botches btw).
-will go to Dr Raymond Douglas. Best surgeon there is.

LL:
- will go to Paley. Safe if done with one of these best surgeons in the world.

I have a friend who is 6’2 and similar eye area to me. He gets a lot of girls. That’s my reasoning behind this. Money is not an issue, I will wage slave my way to getting the money required. What should I do?

 

[AustrianMogger]

I am going to do one of these surgeries. I am 5’10 (exactly 5’9.7). I have bulging eyes (basically same eye area as Hamza Ahmed but better fat pads). I have decided to do one of these surgeries to ascend me. I’m ok in all other areas, rated as 6 by Wheat Waffles, 5.75 by Nero, 5.5 by FaceIQ.

Orbital decompression:
- not as risky as people think if only one wall is decompressed and that wall is lateral wall. Much lower risk this way.
- statistics online are for Graves’ disease patients who need much more decompression, so complication rate seems higher (complications are not botches btw).
-will go to Dr Raymond Douglas. Best surgeon there is.

LL:
- will go to Paley. Safe if done with one of these best surgeons in the world.

I have a friend who is 6’2 and similar eye area to me. He gets a lot of girls. That’s my reasoning behind this. Money is not an issue, I will wage slave my way to getting the money required. What should I do?

do both.
Dont go to paley. He is not good on roi except if you are im miami.
Go to dr. giotikas in greece or some other european doc. eu is much cheaper then us, people in hospital are nicer and if you go to germany medicine is probaby superior to us.
for orbital decompression, not sure if its worth it. get implants instead. best would be with @RealSurgerymax and his team but others are also quite good.

 

[BronzeSpartan2]

do both.
Dont go to paley. He is not good on roi except if you are im miami.
Go to dr. giotikas in greece or some other european doc. eu is much cheaper then us, people in hospital are nicer and if you go to germany medicine is probaby superior to us.
for orbital decompression, not sure if its worth it. get implants instead. best would be with @RealSurgerymax and his team but others are also quite good.

Cost isn’t a big deal for me, I should be earning good money by the time I am able to do the surgeries I need. What’s the safest option for LL?

 

[AustrianMogger]

Cost isn’t a big deal for me, I should be earning good money by the time I am able to do the surgeries I need. What’s the safest option for LL?

Dr. Rozbruch or thaller

 

[nvr13]

do both.
Dont go to paley. He is not good on roi except if you are im miami.
Go to dr. giotikas in greece or some other european doc. eu is much cheaper then us, people in hospital are nicer and if you go to germany medicine is probaby superior to us.
for orbital decompression, not sure if its worth it. get implants instead. best would be with @RealSurgerymax and his team but others are also quite good.

yes yes giotikas does a great job and hes about 60k or so for precice 2.2 which is 3.3in

 

[kaydd]

I am going to do one of these surgeries. I am 5’10 (exactly 5’9.7). I have bulging eyes (basically same eye area as Hamza Ahmed but better fat pads). I have decided to do one of these surgeries to ascend me. I’m ok in all other areas, rated as 6 by Wheat Waffles, 5.75 by Nero, 5.5 by FaceIQ.

Orbital decompression:
- not as risky as people think if only one wall is decompressed and that wall is lateral wall. Much lower risk this way.
- statistics online are for Graves’ disease patients who need much more decompression, so complication rate seems higher (complications are not botches btw).
-will go to Dr Raymond Douglas. Best surgeon there is.

LL:
- will go to Paley. Safe if done with one of these best surgeons in the world.

I have a friend who is 6’2 and similar eye area to me. He gets a lot of girls. That’s my reasoning behind this. Money is not an issue, I will wage slave my way to getting the money required. What should I do?

How many inches specifically are you trying to get? And how many sessions

 

[lookmaxxer998]

I am going to do one of these surgeries. I am 5’10 (exactly 5’9.7). I have bulging eyes (basically same eye area as Hamza Ahmed but better fat pads). I have decided to do one of these surgeries to ascend me. I’m ok in all other areas, rated as 6 by Wheat Waffles, 5.75 by Nero, 5.5 by FaceIQ.

Orbital decompression:
- not as risky as people think if only one wall is decompressed and that wall is lateral wall. Much lower risk this way.
- statistics online are for Graves’ disease patients who need much more decompression, so complication rate seems higher (complications are not botches btw).
-will go to Dr Raymond Douglas. Best surgeon there is.

LL:
- will go to Paley. Safe if done with one of these best surgeons in the world.

I have a friend who is 6’2 and similar eye area to me. He gets a lot of girls. That’s my reasoning behind this. Money is not an issue, I will wage slave my way to getting the money required. What should I do?

Age and how much money do you actually have? Unless parents are funding, I wouldn’t underestimate cost- it’s often a lot more than just the surgery price and most people underestimate

 

[BronzeSpartan2]

Age and how much money do you actually have? Unless parents are funding, I wouldn’t underestimate cost- it’s often a lot more than just the surgery price and most people underestimate

23. Finishing up my masters degree currently so no income yet, but should be able to get a high paying job as I go to one of the best universities in UK for Economics (think Oxford, Cambridge). Want to start getting procedures by 27/28, which I know is too late, but it’s my only hope.

I have recently decided against getting LL and will just get face surgeries then geomaxx to somewhere in South Asia as I’m from there

 

[BronzeSpartan2]

How many inches specifically are you trying to get? And how many sessions

Have decided against it for now. If I’m totally desperate I will do it but if after my face surgeries my life quality is good enough I will give LL a miss. I’m also planning to geomaxx to South Asia where I should have a better chance compared to the UK.

 

[kaydd]

Have decided against it for now. If I’m totally desperate I will do it but if after my face surgeries my life quality is good enough I will give LL a miss. I’m also planning to geomaxx to South Asia where I should have a better chance compared to the UK.

Frauding to 6’1-6’2 should be an easy task for you. Good job on devising against it, remember that the plans you have now would be reevaluated a million times in your head every step that you take. So if you genuinely get your dream face with your desired budget, you would probably find it comical that you even considered LL.

 

[lookmaxxer998]

23. Finishing up my masters degree currently so no income yet, but should be able to get a high paying job as I go to one of the best universities in UK for Economics (think Oxford, Cambridge). Want to start getting procedures by 27/28, which I know is too late, but it’s my only hope.

I have recently decided against getting LL and will just get face surgeries then geomaxx to somewhere in South Asia as I’m from there

That's too late tbh- you won't have a good ROI. You need to get all the hard-hitting surgeries by 25 latest. Personally, I wouldn't recommend OD- even if it's lateral wall only, the chances of double vision are still there, and once you get double vision, it becomes very hard to fix. A lot of the time, a bad eye area is because of a lack of fat, which prevents the upper lid from being hooded. Lower eyelid is more dependent on both the infra rim/fat+vasuclarity etc. Don't just go to Douglas and expect him to give 100% upfront advice, he will do what you want him to do bc it's in his financial interest. Every surgeon will convince you that their way of doing things is right. It's your responsibility to ensure you take the right course of action for yourself by doing adequate research. You need to weigh up the risk-to-reward. A lot of patients from both Taban and Douglas are not upfront about the complications they face because cosmetic OD surgeons convince their patients things will fix with time.

As for the height, you can perform a simple experiment- create a hinge account with your current height, buy the premium sub, send 1000+ likes and measure the response rate. Then do the same with your target height after remaking the account. If it doesn't make a difference ( which it won't tbh if you aren't below 5'9), you'll have your answer. Face and ethnicity hold you back a lot more.

 

[kaydd]

That's too late tbh- you won't have a good ROI. You need to get all the hard-hitting surgeries by 25 latest. Personally, I wouldn't recommend OD- even if it's lateral wall only, the chances of double vision are still there, and once you get double vision, it becomes very hard to fix. A lot of the time, a bad eye area is because of a lack of fat, which prevents the upper lid from being hooded. Lower eyelid is more dependent on both the infra rim/fat+vasuclarity etc. Don't just go to Douglas and expect him to give 100% upfront advice, he will do what you want him to do bc it's in his financial interest. Every surgeon will convince you that their way of doing things is right. It's your responsibility to ensure you take the right course of action for yourself by doing adequate research. You need to weigh up the risk-to-reward. A lot of patients from both Taban and Douglas are not upfront about the complications they face because cosmetic OD surgeons convince their patients things will fix with time.

As for the height, you can perform a simple experiment- create a hinge account with your current height, buy the premium sub, send 1000+ likes and measure the response rate. Then do the same with your target height after remaking the account. If it doesn't make a difference ( which it won't tbh if you aren't below 5'9), you'll have your answer. Face and ethnicity hold you back a lot more.

When you talk about having for having good ROI by doing it <25, are you suggesting the surgical complications or just enjoying the acsension? Maybe im too dumb idk

 

[lookmaxxer998]

When you talk about having for having good ROI by doing it <25, are you suggesting the surgical complications or just enjoying the acsension? Maybe im too dumb idk

Both can be true- for rhinoplasty, for example, having the surgery at a younger age is better because your skin has a better shrink-wrapping ability and your body's speed is much faster for recovery. But I meant it more for getting benefit out of your accession. With every year that passes by, society will make it seem like you're predatory for going for younger, more attractive women by suggesting you're doing it to manipulate them or some other BS. Basically, it's better to reach your potential when younger because you'll get more out of life that way.

 

[kaydd]

gotchu, what would you say is a good age range for certain surgeries to get on the context of complications and recovery.

 

[BronzeSpartan2]

That's too late tbh- you won't have a good ROI. You need to get all the hard-hitting surgeries by 25 latest. Personally, I wouldn't recommend OD- even if it's lateral wall only, the chances of double vision are still there, and once you get double vision, it becomes very hard to fix. A lot of the time, a bad eye area is because of a lack of fat, which prevents the upper lid from being hooded. Lower eyelid is more dependent on both the infra rim/fat+vasuclarity etc. Don't just go to Douglas and expect him to give 100% upfront advice, he will do what you want him to do bc it's in his financial interest. Every surgeon will convince you that their way of doing things is right. It's your responsibility to ensure you take the right course of action for yourself by doing adequate research. You need to weigh up the risk-to-reward. A lot of patients from both Taban and Douglas are not upfront about the complications they face because cosmetic OD surgeons convince their patients things will fix with time.

As for the height, you can perform a simple experiment- create a hinge account with your current height, buy the premium sub, send 1000+ likes and measure the response rate. Then do the same with your target height after remaking the account. If it doesn't make a difference ( which it won't tbh if you aren't below 5'9), you'll have your answer. Face and ethnicity hold you back a lot more.

Great response thanks. Why 25 at the latest for hardmaxxing? Unfortunately i think it’s unlikely I can get these surgeries by 25, but it’s possible for me given a few more years, like 27. I should be fully looksmaxxed by 30 ish, which I agree is late, but if I keep good habits in order to maintain a youthful appearance then it still may work out. There are plenty of men who look good in their early 30s.

My eye area is bad for two reasons: a lack of bone development (my infras are very recessed) and due to the eye bulging out of the orbit, hence why I planned to do OD and also do infras/supras/fat grafting. I also agree with what you said about Dr Douglas. For OD, I would just try to make sure that I minimise risk as much as possible, then just hope that it all works out. I’m very low inhib for surgery. I’d go to one of the most skilled surgeons (Dr Douglas), and ensure he does a lateral wall decompression only. The medical literature says the risk of new onset diplopia/double vision for a lateral wall decompression is between 3-8% for Graves’ disease patients, so the risk is likely to be much lower for someone like me with congenital bulging. All I can do from there is just pray it works out.

Another option is to start with infra- and supra-orbital implants and see whether that by itself self can improve my eye area. The issue is that if I still end up needing orbital decompression afterward, the implants could complicate the decompression surgery, and some surgeons are reluctant to perform OD on patients who already have implants around the eyes (like Dr Vrcek). Furthermore, I’ve seen results from a Taban patient who had bulging eyes like mine and only got canthoplasty and infraorbital implants without doing orbital decompression. While his result looked initially looked good due to swelling, the final result looked the same as he did before, with maybe a very slight improvement in his canthal tilt (barely noticeable unless you look close). These are some reasons why I am considering doing OD first before implants or other eye procedures. In fact, it seems like I have to do OD or I am stuck with this subhuman eye area. Also, supras in particular have the risk of nerve damage, although I’ll have to do more research to find out how big the risk actually is.

My surgery plan is:
(1) Trimax and jaw angle implants
(2) Otoplasty
(3) Rhino

After these three surgeries and gymmaxxing to thicken my neck, I should be above average looking, although I’d still have a pretty bad eye area. I’d most likely be 27 by the time I get these done. After this, I’ll probably move to India or another Asian country where my ethnicity isn’t as much of a barrier. Also, at 5’10, I’m pretty tall relative to other Indians, whenever I go to South India in particular I height mog most people. If Im satisfied with my dating life at this point, I might not get orbital decompression or LL at all.

But I will say that I am likely to do OD due to personal reasons of wanting to improve my eye area, which are separate from dating intentions. I am very unlikely to do LL as it stands, my height isn’t the primary issue.