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[ScienceCel]

this is the exact stack im about to start. im 16 and already decently physiqemaxxed. looking for high iq tips and thoughts on this

 

[ScienceCel]

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this is the exact stack im about to start. im 16 and already decently physiqemaxxed. looking for high iq tips and thoughts on this

also im ordering at home blood work kits to track e2 test and gh levels

 

[.gg/discordtriad]

also im ordering at home blood work kits to track e2 test and gh levels

what would HCG about be for approx. test e 500-750 mg?

 

[.gg/discordtriad]

also im ordering at home blood work kits to track e2 test and gh levels

source?

 

[ScienceCel]

source?

chinese nigga on whatsapp

 

[.gg/discordtriad]

chinese nigga on whatsapp

for bloodwork i mean

 

[Ashikai]

remove hgh, if you arent gonna do 10+ ius then you're just gonna have less than your natural production as a teen and waste money, inj ghk should be replaced by topical ghk, replace amiloride with eplerenone and 5mg cialis and replacing glutathione with nac 1.2g daily would be my recommendations

 

[.gg/discordtriad]

remove hgh, if you arent gonna do 10+ ius then you're just gonna have less than your natural production as a teen and waste money, inj ghk should be replaced by topical ghk, replace amiloride with eplerenone and 5mg cialis and replacing glutathione with nac 1.2g daily would be my recommendations

wouldnt 6-8 iu be optimal without acromaleogy results?

 

[narrator_313]

remove hgh, if you arent gonna do 10+ ius then you're just gonna have less than your natural production as a teen and waste money, inj ghk should be replaced by topical ghk, replace amiloride with eplerenone and 5mg cialis and replacing glutathione with nac 1.2g daily would be my recommendations

Nigga never give recommendations EVER again stopped jerking my 1inch meat just to tell you that a teenager doesn’t produce 10IUs of growth hormone JFL

 

[narrator_313]

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this is the exact stack im about to start. im 16 and already decently physiqemaxxed. looking for high iq tips and thoughts on this

Nice stack might just copy u ngl why test prop and not test e? test prop is shit its just gonna give u fluctuating hormones fucking up ur system just do eod of test e

 

[Ashikai]

Nigga never give recommendations EVER again stopped jerking my 1inch meat just to tell you that a teenager doesn’t produce 10IUs of growth hormone JFL

"Deconvolution estimates of 24-h GH secretion rates exceed 1200 μg/m2 in adolescents" "The amount of GH secreted - as evaluated by deconvolution analysis - was estimated to be about 20 µg/kg per body weight/day before puberty and about twice as high thereafter (76)." i wont do the calculation for this, but its around 7 ius, natural production hovers somewhere around 5-7 ius depending on weight, this equals to 6.25ius to 9 ius of somatropin because somatropin is only 75% bioavailable sub-q, meaning you would have to dose do 25% more of the dosage to match the same naturally produced amount. And stop twisting my words I never said teens produce 10 ius, i said he SHOULD either do 10+ ius of hgh or no exogenous hgh at all because it would be a waste of money.

 

[Ashikai]

wouldnt 6-8 iu be optimal without acromaleogy results?

6-8 ius of exogenous hgh would just replace your natural production not replace it. In US they start treatment at around 4-7 iu per day depending on the pubescent child's weight for growth hormone deficiency, and when the child enters puberty they are able to go up to 0.7mg per kg of bodyweight per week which translates to about 18 iu per day in a 60kg pubescent child, so staying in that upper range shouldn't be much risky, thats why i recommend that either you do nothing with hgh or use the dosages that will actually give you more hgh than you naturally produce

 

[narrator_313]

"Deconvolution estimates of 24-h GH secretion rates exceed 1200 μg/m2 in adolescents" "The amount of GH secreted - as evaluated by deconvolution analysis - was estimated to be about 20 µg/kg per body weight/day before puberty and about twice as high thereafter (76)." i wont do the calculation for this, but its around 7 ius, natural production hovers somewhere around 5-7 ius depending on weight, this equals to 6.25ius to 9 ius of somatropin because somatropin is only 75% bioavailable sub-q, meaning you would have to dose do 25% more of the dosage to match the same naturally produced amount. And stop twisting my words I never said teens produce 10 ius, i said he SHOULD either do 10+ ius of hgh or no exogenous hgh at all because it would be a waste of money.

You failed to take into consideration that hgh only spikes for an hour at most couple times a day. When injecting exogenous gh you will have stable levels of gh for hours on end (4-6 hours) injecting as little as 4IU’s will give you supraphysiological levels of igf-1 also you’re basically having the growth hormone u inject + the gh u produce on ur own. After the body sees the exogenous gh has cleared it will tell the pituitary to keep making more gh

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

Add dut and ru, replace the anavar with lgd if you dont mind not looking super dry

Tbol if you really feel like you need that dryness

 

[Ashikai]

You failed to take into consideration that hgh only spikes for an hour at most couple times a day. When injecting exogenous gh you will have stable levels of gh for hours on end (4-6 hours) injecting as little as 4IU’s will give you supraphysiological levels of igf-1 also you’re basically having the growth hormone u inject + the gh u produce on ur own. After the body sees the exogenous gh has cleared it will tell the pituitary to keep making more gh

Huh? No, you dont get the growth hormone you have + the one you inject, do you even know that the pituitary stops producing hgh after exogenous administration, https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC423324/ and the mean half-life of somatropin in normal males is 1.75 hours (sub-q), so no it doesn't stay elevated with somatropin, we are talking about somatropin. Also 4 iu will not give you supraphysiological igf-1 levels, show me the studies buddy, otherwise I wont bother.

 

[Zagro]

remove hgh, if you arent gonna do 10+ ius then you're just gonna have less than your natural production as a teen and waste money, inj ghk should be replaced by topical ghk, replace amiloride with eplerenone and 5mg cialis and replacing glutathione with nac 1.2g daily would be my recommendations

Hang yourself

 

[Ashikai]

Hang yourself

cheers matey warra argument

 

[Zagro]

cheers matey warra argument

Learn what pulsatile secretion is, how different diuretics work and that taking nac is like taking IGF-1 pills compared to gluthathione also and I’ll think about it

 

[BlueScree]

how close r u to being finished with puberty?

 

[narrator_313]

Huh? No, you dont get the growth hormone you have + the one you inject, do you even know that the pituitary stops producing hgh after exogenous administration, https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC423324/ and the mean half-life of somatropin in normal males is 1.75 hours (sub-q), so no it doesn't stay elevated with somatropin, we are talking about somatropin. Also 4 iu will not give you supraphysiological igf-1 levels, show me the studies buddy, otherwise I wont bother.

genuinely JFL at this we are greys bro stop trying to larp high iq half life of somatropin is 2-4 hours: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11505794/ and thats just the HALF-life meaning after injecting 4IUs of hgh 2-4 hours after your still gonna have something equal to 2IUs of somatropin in your system. Better way to put it would be when you inject your gh levels peak after 2-4 hours and then start declining after that for a couple hours until its left your body: After one half life (lets say 3 hours) you will have 50% of the original drug left in your system and this keeps on until it goes to 0, im pretty sure you can do the math. You are confusing suppression and complete shutdown after injecting exogenous hgh your own gh only gets suppressed key word SUPRESSED not a full on shutdown. Heres the study since u love them so much: https://www.researchgate.net/public...nduced_growth_hormone_secretion_in_normal_men The body only supresses its own until the exogenous gh feedback falls and then it starts back up

 

[Ashikai]

genuinely JFL at this we are greys bro stop trying to larp high iq half life of somatropin is 2-4 hours: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11505794/ and thats just the HALF-life meaning after injecting 4IUs of hgh 2-4 hours after your still gonna have something equal to 2IUs of somatropin in your system. Better way to put it would be when you inject your gh levels peak after 2-4 hours and then start declining after that for a couple hours until its left your body: After one half life (lets say 3 hours) you will have 50% of the original drug left in your system and this keeps on until it goes to 0, im pretty sure you can do the math. You are confusing suppression and complete shutdown after injecting exogenous hgh your own gh only gets suppressed key word SUPRESSED not a full on shutdown. Heres the study since u love them so much: https://www.researchgate.net/public...nduced_growth_hormone_secretion_in_normal_men The body only supresses its own until the exogenous gh feedback falls and then it starts back up

Ok so you do agree that the half life is around 2 hours for somatropin. And no I just used the word stopped because i couldn't remember the word suppressed but we also agree on that, no arguments over that. What I do not agree with however is your initial point in your reply, that is, that the exogenous and the suppressed endogenous production together will be able to give you supraphysiological levels of igf-1, theres really no evidence suggesting that the your suppressed endo + exo low dose hgh will be able to give you supra igf-1 and not to mention your hgh production is the highest during night time, which would mean that you would have an even lower serum level if you were to inject during day time because your production is lower and add that alongside the added suppression of exogenous hgh and you would understand why I am against it, you are just wasting money to have the same or maybe slightly higher levels of gh and igf-1 for a shit ton money, at that point i would rather just do ghrps or ghrh analogues

 

[Ashikai]

Learn what pulsatile secretion is, how different diuretics work and that taking nac is like taking IGF-1 pills compared to gluthathione also and I’ll think about it

Can you be anymore vague with "Learn what pulsatile secretion is," just tell the point you're trying to make. "IGF-1 pills" not even close https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11945201/ "Glutathione (GSH) is an essential antioxidant that protects against oxidative stress, but its oral bioavailability is below 1% due to enzymatic degradation and poor gastrointestinal absorption." but yeah let the guy take 600(6)mg of glutathione every 3 days that will definitely benefit him and not waste his money. And the reason why I recommended NAC isn't because it increases glutathione, only part of the reason. And I do know the difference between amiloride and eplerenone, I recommend eplerenone over amiloride and that's my opinion, if you disagree with it then you can just tell me why you think eplerenone is inferior to amiloride instead of being vaguer than a woman buddy

 

[narrator_313]

Ok so you do agree that the half life is around 2 hours for somatropin. And no I just used the word stopped because i couldn't remember the word suppressed but we also agree on that, no arguments over that. What I do not agree with however is your initial point in your reply, that is, that the exogenous and the suppressed endogenous production together will be able to give you supraphysiological levels of igf-1, theres really no evidence suggesting that the your suppressed endo + exo low dose hgh will be able to give you supra igf-1 and not to mention your hgh production is the highest during night time, which would mean that you would have an even lower serum level if you were to inject during day time because your production is lower and add that alongside the added suppression of exogenous hgh and you would understand why I am against it, you are just wasting money to have the same or maybe slightly higher levels of gh and igf-1 for a shit ton money, at that point i would rather just do ghrps or ghrh analogues

2 hours is the low end the Average would be 3 hours for a single half life, for the hgh to completely leave your body it would take a lot more time. You are right just 4IUs is not enough for most people to reach supraphysiological levels of igf-1 but it will still be considerably raised above the baseline. If you inject it during the daytime exogenous gh will have most likely completely left your body by night suppression of your own gh would be minimal to none even if you could just take it at night to mimic you bodys own natural pulse. HGH really isn’t that expensive if you have a job and have a good source I got 240IUs for like 190€ which is still considered expensive for Chinese generic but oh well. ghrps and ghrh’s are limited by how much your own body can produce and the raise in igf-1 can never become supraphysiolgical and can never get the same effect as a good dose of hgh

 

[Zagro]

Can you be anymore vague with "Learn what pulsatile secretion is," just tell the point you're trying to make. "IGF-1 pills" not even close https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11945201/ "Glutathione (GSH) is an essential antioxidant that protects against oxidative stress, but its oral bioavailability is below 1% due to enzymatic degradation and poor gastrointestinal absorption." but yeah let the guy take 600(6)mg of glutathione every 3 days that will definitely benefit him and not waste his money. And the reason why I recommended NAC isn't because it increases glutathione, only part of the reason. And I do know the difference between amiloride and eplerenone, I recommend eplerenone over amiloride and that's my opinion, if you disagree with it then you can just tell me why you think eplerenone is inferior to amiloride instead of being vaguer than a woman buddy

You dumb faggot unloved nigga even you responding back is raising my cortisol, if you don’t even know what the fuck pulsatile secretion vs continuous is go fucking hang yourself before making any points. There are studies proving that adolescents/children reach 20 units of hGH secretion daily, but guess what those last a very short amount of time as its a spike, now guess what happens when you inject rhGH?

“There are studies showing 10+ius of secretion so rhGH must be useless heheh” learn how the fuck it works first and then speak out on it.

Taking NAC instead of gluthathione is literally like using GH secretagogues instead of rhGH and you literally said that yourself as your only point here is “waste of money” yeah faggot if you have no stable income its normal to assume that its expensive for everyone, gluthathione is superior. What is the study trying to prove and stop using ChatGPT for studies that back your points up as it doesn’t make sense lol you do know that its injectable right?

You do not know the differences you’re just on the eplerenone hype on the forum and it barely works for some, to make it work people sometimes go into hundreds of mgs daily.

Nigga isn’t even on any supplements let alone steroids if anyone takes your advice seriously they should seriously consider removing themselves from this world

 

[Stacyslayerᛉ]

You dumb faggot unloved nigga even you responding back is raising my cortisol, if you don’t even know what the fuck pulsatile secretion vs continuous is go fucking hang yourself before making any points. There are studies proving that adolescents/children reach 20 units of hGH secretion daily, but guess what those last a very short amount of time as its a spike, now guess what happens when you inject rhGH?

“There are studies showing 10+ius of secretion so rhGH must be useless heheh” learn how the fuck it works first and then speak out on it.

Taking NAC instead of gluthathione is literally like using GH secretagogues instead of rhGH and you literally said that yourself as your only point here is “waste of money” yeah faggot if you have no stable income its normal to assume that its expensive for everyone, gluthathione is superior. What is the study trying to prove and stop using ChatGPT for studies that back your points up as it doesn’t make sense lol you do know that its injectable right?

You do not know the differences you’re just on the eplerenone hype on the forum and it barely works for some, to make it work people sometimes go into hundreds of mgs daily.

Nigga isn’t even on any supplements let alone steroids if anyone takes your advice seriously they should seriously consider removing themselves from this world

The "Go sprinting for +700% HGH levels" classic



Holy Superior argument, Brah.

 

[Ashikai]

You dumb faggot unloved nigga even you responding back is raising my cortisol, if you don’t even know what the fuck pulsatile secretion vs continuous is go fucking hang yourself before making any points. There are studies proving that adolescents/children reach 20 units of hGH secretion daily, but guess what those last a very short amount of time as its a spike, now guess what happens when you inject rhGH?

“There are studies showing 10+ius of secretion so rhGH must be useless heheh” learn how the fuck it works first and then speak out on it.

Taking NAC instead of gluthathione is literally like using GH secretagogues instead of rhGH and you literally said that yourself as your only point here is “waste of money” yeah faggot if you have no stable income its normal to assume that its expensive for everyone, gluthathione is superior. What is the study trying to prove and stop using ChatGPT for studies that back your points up as it doesn’t make sense lol you do know that its injectable right?

You do not know the differences you’re just on the eplerenone hype on the forum and it barely works for some, to make it work people sometimes go into hundreds of mgs daily.

Nigga isn’t even on any supplements let alone steroids if anyone takes your advice seriously they should seriously consider removing themselves from this world

Did you even read what I sent in the other guy's replies "Deconvolution estimates of 24-h GH secretion rates exceed 1200 μg/m2" "The calculated daily mass of GH secreted was greatest (P <0.001) in late pubertal boys (mean f SE, 1810 f 250 rg/24 h)" "The amount of GH secreted - as evaluated by deconvolution analysis - was estimated to be about 20 µg/kg per body weight/day before puberty and about twice as high thereafter (76)." Its the amount of GH produced in a 24 HOURS/1 DAY timeframe and not a maximal peak jfl you didnt even bother reading because if you did would know I have been talking about 24 hour production rates and not maximal gh peaks.

"you do know that its injectable right?" Yeah im telepathically suppose to know that its iv glutathione and not oral because op's post doesn't mention a thing about oral or iv or route of administration regarding glutathione, I was arguing for oral NAC vs oral glutathione, not oral NAC vs iv glutathione. And why do you think I would highlight the oral bioavailability of Glutathione if I knew I was arguing against IV glutathione jfl.

"You do not know the differences you’re just on the eplerenone hype on the forum and it barely works for some, to make it work people sometimes go into hundreds of mgs daily." That's just what you think, doesnt make it true, but I wont bother. And stop making up stories mate you do not know me or what I take

 

[Greyascension]

"Deconvolution estimates of 24-h GH secretion rates exceed 1200 μg/m2 in adolescents" "The amount of GH secreted - as evaluated by deconvolution analysis - was estimated to be about 20 µg/kg per body weight/day before puberty and about twice as high thereafter (76)." i wont do the calculation for this, but its around 7 ius, natural production hovers somewhere around 5-7 ius depending on weight, this equals to 6.25ius to 9 ius of somatropin because somatropin is only 75% bioavailable sub-q, meaning you would have to dose do 25% more of the dosage to match the same naturally produced amount. And stop twisting my words I never said teens produce 10 ius, i said he SHOULD either do 10+ ius of hgh or no exogenous hgh at all because it would be a waste of money.

Nigger babble

 

[Zagro]

Did you even read what I sent in the other guy's replies "Deconvolution estimates of 24-h GH secretion rates exceed 1200 μg/m2" "The calculated daily mass of GH secreted was greatest (P <0.001) in late pubertal boys (mean f SE, 1810 f 250 rg/24 h)" "The amount of GH secreted - as evaluated by deconvolution analysis - was estimated to be about 20 µg/kg per body weight/day before puberty and about twice as high thereafter (76)." Its the amount of GH produced in a 24 HOURS/1 DAY timeframe and not a maximal peak jfl you didnt even bother reading because if you did would know I have been talking about 24 hour production rates and not maximal gh peaks.

This just proves you still have no fucking idea how pulsatile secretion works

The TOTAL amount of hGH produced in the time span of 24 hours, how do you secrete this? In a pulsatile manner meaning in spikes. Even if you produce 100s of units daily it wont fucking matter as if’s transient. Ten spikes of 8ius daily= 80 units daily okay but does that mean continuous 8 units daily just makes you superhuman and gives you a total secretion of a million units? No. Okay lets day you secrete 20 units in a pulsatile manner naturally every once in a while for 20 minutes, do you seriously think that will improve anything?

 

[inversions]

This just proves you still have no fucking idea how pulsatile secretion works

The TOTAL amount of hGH produced in the time span of 24 hours, how do you secrete this? In a pulsatile manner meaning in spikes. Even if you produce 100s of units daily it wont fucking matter as if’s transient. Ten spikes of 8ius daily= 80 units daily okay but does that mean continuous 8 units daily just makes you superhuman and gives you a total secretion of a million units? No. Okay lets day you secrete 20 units in a pulsatile manner naturally every once in a while for 20 minutes, do you seriously think that will improve anything?

yeah thats right i agree your a fucking fag nigga @Ashikai kill urself

 

[Zagro]

yeah thats right i agree your a fucking fag nigga @Ashikai kill urself

Yeah only trve bulls understand it, hope this nigga overdoses on painkillers inshallah

 

[Ashikai]

This just proves you still have no fucking idea how pulsatile secretion works

The TOTAL amount of hGH produced in the time span of 24 hours, how do you secrete this? In a pulsatile manner meaning in spikes. Even if you produce 100s of units daily it wont fucking matter as if’s transient. Ten spikes of 8ius daily= 80 units daily okay but does that mean continuous 8 units daily just makes you superhuman and gives you a total secretion of a million units? No. Okay lets day you secrete 20 units in a pulsatile manner naturally every once in a while for 20 minutes, do you seriously think that will improve anything?

And the point you're making is? Yes gh is naturally secreted in a pulsatile manner which are spikes that occur throughout the day, I know that and I agree with that, but how is that relevant in what I was discussing, I never argued about whether gh secretion is pulsatiled or continuous jfl, the whole argument was about exogenous gh dosing and not how gh is secreted. If you're arguing that the exogenous hgh's "continuous" effects on serum gh levels are superior to the natural pulsatile secretion, (assuming that the area under the curve is the same for both the groups) and because of that you would need to dose much less of the exogenous hgh, then I would have to disagree because the hgh that is available for utilization to igf-1 conversion is the same amount. And If the "continuous" hgh was actually superior for heightmaxxing and igf-1 then they wouldn't have to increase the igf1 high group's doses to 110mcg/kg/d (mean) in this study for them to get +2 SDS Igf-1 levels which is 2.5 times higher than the dose they used to get the other group to get them to 0 sds igf-1 levels. And for reference thats 16.5 iu for a 50kg child. Also all of the groups had the safety profile so yeah keep talking about muh side effects.

Anyways im done arguing shoo nigga

 

[Zagro]

And the point you're making is? Yes gh is naturally secreted in a pulsatile manner which are spikes that occur throughout the day, I know that and I agree with that, but how is that relevant in what I was discussing, I never argued about whether gh secretion is pulsatiled or continuous jfl, the whole argument was about exogenous gh dosing and not how gh is secreted. If you're arguing that the exogenous hgh's "continuous" effects on serum gh levels are superior to the natural pulsatile secretion, (assuming that the area under the curve is the same for both the groups) and because of that you would need to dose much less of the exogenous hgh, then I would have to disagree because the hgh that is available for utilization to igf-1 conversion is the same amount. And If the "continuous" hgh was actually superior for heightmaxxing and igf-1 then they wouldn't have to increase the igf1 high group's doses to 110mcg/kg/d (mean) in this study for them to get +2 SDS Igf-1 levels which is 2.5 times higher than the dose they used to get the other group to get them to 0 sds igf-1 levels. And for reference thats 16.5 iu for a 50kg child. Also all of the groups had the safety profile so yeah keep talking about muh side effects.

Anyways im done arguing shoo nigga

Nigga stil doesn’t get it . You cant say that rhGH dosing under 10 units isn’t beneficial and not include pulsatile secretion nigga are you down? If they were both continuous secretion then sure you’d need higher doses but you don’t as that fucking 10 units spike you get lasts 10 minutes , its so hilarious that you keep trying to win the debate and skip crucial parts like this you cant just do that you imbecile ChatGPT shouldn’t be your main source of information.

There are multiple studies where doses like these aren’t needed and they still reach their height SDS

I never said anything about side effects you dyslexic faggot in fact i have ran 16 units daily before, I’m not a high inhib tranny like you. Is this the best response GPT gave? How does this matter lol “they used 16 units in one of the thousands of studies so it must be used at 16 units ehheeh” dumb ass logic idiot. Nigga pulls random shit out of his ass i never said just to make a point .

Now shut the fuck up please

 

[ScienceCel]

N

Nice stack might just copy u ngl why test prop and not test e? test prop is shit its just gonna give u fluctuating hormones fucking up ur system just do eod of test e

test p makes u pin more regularly which leads to less fluctuation in my hormones, and ive heard it doesnt make u bloat as much

 

[ScienceCel]

Add dut and ru, replace the anavar with lgd if you dont mind not looking super dry

Tbol if you really feel like you need that dryness

i might consider dut and ru, also i decided not to take the anavar

 

[TheOsei]

Ok so you do agree that the half life is around 2 hours for somatropin. And no I just used the word stopped because i couldn't remember the word suppressed but we also agree on that, no arguments over that. What I do not agree with however is your initial point in your reply, that is, that the exogenous and the suppressed endogenous production together will be able to give you supraphysiological levels of igf-1, theres really no evidence suggesting that the your suppressed endo + exo low dose hgh will be able to give you supra igf-1 and not to mention your hgh production is the highest during night time, which would mean that you would have an even lower serum level if you were to inject during day time because your production is lower and add that alongside the added suppression of exogenous hgh and you would understand why I am against it, you are just wasting money to have the same or maybe slightly higher levels of gh and igf-1 for a shit ton money, at that point i would rather just do ghrps or ghrh analogues

autistic grey on grey argument.

the GH lasting in your system isn't what we care about, it's the igf the somatropin makes your liver produce
Igf which is what actually grows you has a 16-20hr half life in your system so the somatropin half life is neglible, the hgh just gradually rises for about 3hrs in your bloodstream from pinning then your liver sustains the elevated igf basically throughout the whole day from that injection.
But yeah it does stop natural production but it's not a bad thing since you are already pinning more than what you naturally produce as personally 8.5iu Chinese HGH brings igf levels to 750ng/ml ( igf levels 200-500ng/ml are average in puberty with a "normal" range of 120-700ng/ml). Besides, hgh rebounds back to normal self-production within 2-3 days.