Orthodontic headgear to remodel the maxilla of adults.

[Sceriff06]

Theoretically, the jaw can advance even in adults, and in fact Mike mew designed the MewVector.
Unfortunately, however, this device is reserved only for clients of her clinic, so I have to look for alternatives, possibly at a low cost.

I read about the SkyHook Headgear, that worked on a 32-year-old woman, and I ask you if you have experience with it.
Or, as a last resort, is it worth trying thumbpulling or towel facepulling?

 

[HorseMan7]

Theoretically, the jaw can advance even in adults

No. I wish. Mike Mew is a scammer. Any advancement that happens would be dental alveolar.

 

[2marc1]

Theoretically, the jaw can advance even in adults, and in fact Mike mew designed the MewVector.
Unfortunately, however, this device is reserved only for clients of her clinic, so I have to look for alternatives, possibly at a low cost.

I read about the SkyHook Headgear, that worked on a 32-year-old woman, and I ask you if you have experience with it.
Or, as a last resort, is it worth trying thumbpulling or towel facepulling?

in adults with closed sutures, the ACTUAL maxilla doesnt move, its the teeth
you can make your own reverse headgear with a bit of imagination.
Or buy one from forwaorthodontics, but it will cost you a good bit

 

[greycel]

No. I wish. Mike Mew is a scammer. Any advancement that happens would be dental alveolar.

Why about the fme?
@moze

 

[HorseMan7]

Why about the fme?
@moze

I've yet to see any fme facemask results. But I don't see why the fme facemask would function much differently then MSE + facemask. And we have seen results from that. And it doesn't protract the whole maxilla

 

[Sceriff06]

No. I wish. Mike Mew is a scammer. Any advancement that happens would be dental alveolar.

It takes courage to claim that Mike Mew is a scammer.

 

[Sceriff06]

in adults with closed sutures, the ACTUAL maxilla doesnt move, its the teeth
you can make your own reverse headgear with a bit of imagination.
Or buy one from forwaorthodontics, but it will cost you a good bit

These scientific research state the opposite. Can you deny them?

Maxillary protraction after surgically assisted maxillary expansion - PMC

This case report describes the orthodontic treatment of a 32-year-old woman with a Class III malocclusion, whose chief compliant was her dentofacial esthetics. The pretreatment lateral cephalometric tracings showed the presence of a Class III ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Expansion/Facemask Treatment of an Adult Class III Malocclusion

The orthodontic treatment of class III malocclusion with a maxillary deficiency is often treated with maxillary protraction with or without expansion. Skeletal and dental changes have been documented which have combined for the protraction of the maxilla and the correction of the class III...

www.hindawi.com

 

[2marc1]

These scientific research state the opposite. Can you deny them?

Maxillary protraction after surgically assisted maxillary expansion - PMC

This case report describes the orthodontic treatment of a 32-year-old woman with a Class III malocclusion, whose chief compliant was her dentofacial esthetics. The pretreatment lateral cephalometric tracings showed the presence of a Class III ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Expansion/Facemask Treatment of an Adult Class III Malocclusion

The orthodontic treatment of class III malocclusion with a maxillary deficiency is often treated with maxillary protraction with or without expansion. Skeletal and dental changes have been documented which have combined for the protraction of the maxilla and the correction of the class III...

www.hindawi.com

nigga.....

sutures got opened surgically, dnr

 

[HorseMan7]

It takes courage to claim that Mike Mew is a scammer.

Lol, I'm just some rando on the internet, it doesn't take courage. But he's profiting off of making clearly false claims about forward advancement in adults. Anyone with a brain sees that. Dude, look at the superposition tracings in the case study you sent. They just advanced her dention. Her midface is still super recessed.

 

[Sceriff06]

Has the forwaorthodontics helmet shown results in adults?

 

[moze]

Why about the fme?
@moze

I believe fma is completely different from previous facemask and they are onto something.imo it will work well

 

[moze]

I've yet to see any fme facemask results. But I don't see why the fme facemask would function much differently then MSE + facemask. And we have seen results from that. And it doesn't protract the whole maxilla

Mse is attached to teeth and most of the expansion with mse is dentalveolr whereas with fme most of the changes are skeletal little to no alevolar changes.it is directly attached to bone without any attachment to the teeth . And the protraction will be pure maxillary protraction

 

[moze]

Has the forwaorthodontics helmet shown results in adults?

Forwadontics?i dont think it will change much

 

[2marc1]

Has the forwaorthodontics helmet shown results in adults?

they all work the same..... just look for results of fm and mse in adults

 

[HorseMan7]

Mse is attached to teeth and most of the expansion with mse is dentalveolr whereas with fme most of the changes are skeletal little to no alevolar changes.it is directly attached to bone without any attachment to the teeth . And the protraction will be pure maxillary protraction

You don't know what ur talking about. Do you know what M S E stands for?

 

[william.]

Has the forwaorthodontics helmet shown results in adults?

No dude on yt called bonebuilder used it and saw no results with ctc scans

 

[moze]

You don't know what ur talking about. Do you know what M S E stands for?

If you dont know much about it stfu idiot.i have seen many cbct scans before after mse custome marpe and fme

 

[Sceriff06]

No dude on yt called bonebuilder used it and saw no results with ctc scans

Thank you for your testimony, even if one person does not make statistics. We should understand how many people it worked for.

 

[Sceriff06]

If you dont know much about it stfu idiot.i have seen many cbct scans before after mse custome marpe and fme

I didn't create this thread to make you argue. Stick to the topic otherwise I will point you out. GrazkdI didn't create this thread to make you argue. Stick to the topic otherwise I will point you out. Thank you

 

[william.]

Thank you for your testimony, even if one person does not make statistics. We should understand how many people it worked for.

It's not a testimony—there’s obviously a reason this isn't done on adults in orthodontics. And when even the one person who actually tried it saw no results, that says a lot. Plus, you have the same anatomy as that guy, so why would it work for you and not for him?

 

[Sceriff06]

It's not a testimony—there’s obviously a reason this isn't done on adults in orthodontics. And when even the one person who actually tried it saw no results, that says a lot. Plus, you have the same anatomy as that guy, so why would it work for you and not for him?

So this method has never worked, for any adult as you say.
Are there any devices that have actually advanced the mandible in adults?

 

[william.]

So this method has never worked, for any adult as you say.
Are there any devices that have actually advanced the mandible in adults?

Ar you not talking about the maxilla? i thought you were talking about bow face mask

 

[Snicket]

No. I wish. Mike Mew is a scammer. Any advancement that happens would be dental alveolar.

And any major change is usually seen in young children under the age of 12.

 

[Sceriff06]

Ar you not talking about the maxilla? i thought you were talking about bow face mask

I have a deep bite so my priority is to advance the mandible.

 

[william.]

I have a deep bite so my priority is to advance the mandible.

forsus applience, but then you will need bracses

 

[william.]

I have a deep bite so my priority is to advance the mandible.

now rep me bro

 

[Sceriff06]

forsus applience, but then you will need bracses

Is there evidence that it works for adults?

 

[NoaA99]

I've yet to see any fme facemask results. But I don't see why the fme facemask would function much differently then MSE + facemask. And we have seen results from that. And it doesn't protract the whole maxilla

My orthodontist treated many young adult patients with MSE + facemask, but he mentioned that the results were minimal, usually only 1-3mm at most- which is not enough to correct significant recession.
Also, it looks absolutely hilarious to run around with that stuff in public.

 

[Snicket]

My orthodontist treated many young adult patients with MSE + facemask, but he mentioned that the results were minimal, usually only 1-3mm at most- which is not enough to correct significant recession.
Also, it looks absolutely hilarious to run around with that stuff in public.

It’s literally impossible in a workplace environment to wear the reverse head mask.

And Mew says adults need to wear it for 12+ hours. Good luck sleeping with that thing on.

 

[NoaA99]

It’s literally impossible in a workplace environment to wear the reverse head mask.

And Mew says adults need to wear it for 12+ hours. Good luck sleeping with that thing on.

Exactly. My orthodontist actually mentioned that his patients wear it for over 22 hours a day, but many gave up after just a month.
As you said, it’s basically impossible to wear in a work environment or in public

 

[william.]

My orthodontist treated many young adult patients with MSE + facemask, but he mentioned that the results were minimal, usually only 1-3mm at most- which is not enough to correct significant recession.
Also, it looks absolutely hilarious to run around with that stuff in public.

u only need to wear it while sleep and if it was done with mse i will ignore thoose results.

 

[NoaA99]

u only need to wear it while sleep and if it was done with mse i will ignore thoose results.

Since I have a class 3 occlusion, he offered it to me for around 2800€ extra.

He showed me photos of some of his patients, and the results were lacklustre to say the least.
Maybe things have improved since then, but at the time, even he acknowledged that the outcomes weren’t particularly good.
Should be impossible to achieve 7mm of forward projection after major development.

 

[william.]

Since I have a class 3 occlusion, he offered it to me for around 2800€ extra.

He showed me photos of some of his patients, and the results were lacklustre to say the least.
Maybe things have improved since then, but at the time, even he acknowledged that the outcomes weren’t particularly good.
Should be impossible to achieve 7mm of forward projection after major development.

2.8k just build one yourself or order it
also how old are you?
are you doing mse aswell?

 

[NoaA99]

2.8k just build one yourself or order it
also how old are you?
are you doing mse aswell?

I am 26, and in the last phase of Invisalign after having previously undergone MSE treatment.

 

[william.]

I am 26, and in the last phase of Invisalign after having previously undergone MSE treatment.

how much did your imw increase.
You know your case better then mine, but based on this info i would prob go for surgery

 

[NoaA99]

how much did your imw increase.
You know your case better then mine, but based on this info i would prob go for surgery

I will undergo bimax, but in Germany, it’s not easily approved since my body has compensated to maintain a Class 1 bite.

However, due to the skeletal issue, I have a midline discrepancy and TMJ cartilage damage, confirmed by CT scan.
If it weren’t for MSE beforehand, which costs about 14000€ in total, I’d have already done it.

 

[william.]

I will undergo bimax, but in Germany, it’s not easily approved since my body has compensated to maintain a Class 1 bite.

However, due to the skeletal issue, I have a midline discrepancy and TMJ cartilage damage, confirmed by CT scan.
If it weren’t for MSE beforehand, which costs about 14000€ in total, I’d have already done it.

why would you even do facemask if u getting bimax

 

[NoaA99]

why would you even do facemask if u getting bimax

My ortho proposed it.
I did MSE right away, since I was already 24 at that point in time, and being even older, could have diminished my chances of a suture split.

 

[william.]

My ortho proposed it.
I did MSE right away, since I was already 24 at that point in time, and being even older, could have diminished my chances of a suture split.

you should not give that dude 2.8 k
and rep me back sir

 

[NoaA99]

you should not give that dude 2.8 k
and rep me back sir

He made it pretty easy to decline- he proposed it, but basically advised against it as well, and told me to go for surgery.

 

[Snicket]

Exactly. My orthodontist actually mentioned that his patients wear it for over 22 hours a day, but many gave up after just a month.
As you said, it’s basically impossible to wear in a work environment or in public

I actually think Mew said something like 18+ hours.
Literally pointless for minimal advancement in adults.

 

[NoaA99]

I actually think Mew said something like 18+ hours.
Literally pointless for minimal advancement in adults.

Yeah, I can appreciate the effort of some of the test subjects, but there’s no way I’d pay €2800, get bullied at university/ work, and go through all that just to potentially advance my maxilla by 1–2mm.