Orthodontic research materials

[Noriju]

I plan to protract my maxilla with a maxillary expanding device and “the bow”. I know it’s more nuanced.

To determine if this is the right looksmax i need to know what makes an attractive face (ratios etc.) and detailed material (books/podcasts) discussing the mechanics of protraction.
If you have said materials, i would be super grateful if you’d share them here.

 

[v8sandweights]

just compare ur face with the ideal ratios and see what ur failos are, if they can be ammended with maxillary expansion, like a poor fwhr, then yeah its worth it

im confused r u planning on buying the device and doing it yourself or going to a orthodontist

 

[Sangre Fina]

Go to the home page of the site, there it says best of the best, in there you can find THOUSANDS of guides on EVERYTHING you're asking, or just using the search bar works too

 

[ICL]

Upper maxilla will not develop, you will gain unnecessary prognathism if you do not balance it with a herbst device/elastics/etc

 

[Noriju]

fwhr

just compare ur face with the ideal ratios and see what ur failos are, if they can be ammended with maxillary expansion, like a poor fwhr, then yeah its worth it

im confused r u planning on buying the device and doing it yourself or going to a orthodontist

Ortho fs, someone who does FME as it seems most reasonable for adults.

 

[Noriju]

Upper maxilla will not develop, you will gain unnecessary prognathism if you do not balance it with a herbst device/elastics/etc

Can’t be tooth anchored. Looking for bone movement, not alveolar movement.
I’m adult age so manipulation is harder therefore that isn’t an option for me sadly.

 

[Noriju]

Upper maxilla will not develop, you will gain unnecessary prognathism if you do not balance it with a herbst device/elastics/etc

On the other hand, i do have to exert myself to close my bite, as if my front teeth should naturally be further forward. Good argument aswell for insurance.
It also fits into the narrative of “beauty is function”
I might not need much protraction

 

[v8sandweights]

Ortho fs, someone who does FME as it seems most reasonable for adults.

yeah man im looking to get fme too, it seems to be expensive (5-10k) but i will def ascend from it as my palate and fwhr are both not ideal. Every other of my features are dimorphic and high percentile but fuckass palate ruining the fwhr so i think fme would be insanely high roi for cases like ours

im also speculating that fme while on hgh or androgens could act as a sort of catalyst and make it more effective

Are you considering a facemask as well, to reduce risk of vertical elongation and instead ensure more forward growth

 

[ICL]

On the other hand, i do have to exery myself to close my bite, as if my front teeth should naturally be further forward. Good argument aswell for insurance.
It also fits into the narrative of “beauty is function”
I might not need much protraction

Can you reiterate

I didn't understand

 

[ICL]

Can’t be tooth anchored. Looking for bone movement, not alveolar movement.
I’m adult age so manipulation is harder therefore that isn’t an option for me sadly.

Hence why the upper maxilla wont be moved

Only the lower maxilla (occlusion) and it will most likely relapse in your age

 

[Noriju]

yeah man im looking to get fme too, it seems to be expensive (5-10k) but i will def ascend from it as my palate and fwhr are both not ideal. Every other of my features are dimorphic and high percentile but fuckass palate ruining the fwhr so i think fme would be insanely high roi for cases like ours

im also speculating that fme while on hgh or androgens could act as a sort of catalyst and make it more effective

Are you considering a facemask as well, to reduce risk of vertical elongation and instead ensure more forward growth

Hence why the upper maxilla wont be moved

Only the lower maxilla (occlusion) and it will most likely relapse in your age

Can you show me what you mean my lower maxilla occlusion on this picture?
Is it another word for the mandible?
If so, then this would be optimal because my occlusion is slightly class3 prognathism.

 

[Dewhey321]

I plan to protract my maxilla with a maxillary expanding device and “the bow”. I know it’s more nuanced.

To determine if this is the right looksmax i need to know what makes an attractive face (ratios etc.) and detailed material (books/podcasts) discussing the mechanics of protraction.
If you have said materials, i would be super grateful if you’d share them here.

the protraction device you research yourself by searching about it online. For the ratios, get a unfrauded picture of ur side, and measure things such as facial convexity, and see what sort of advancements/protractions can turn it ideal. Of course, a good orthodontist could tell you.

 

[ICL]

Can you show me what you mean my lower maxilla occlusion on this picture?
Is it another word for the mandible?
If so, then this would be optimal because my occlusion is slightly class3 prognathism.

Lower maxilla: facture lf1
Upper maxilla: fracture lf2/3
Midface: fracture lf3

 

[Noriju]

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Lower maxilla: facture lf1
Upper maxilla: fracture lf2/3
Midface: fracture lf3

Fuck man it’s really hard to see what changed in these two xray photos.
I’m not literate in reading such photos.

If you put a gun to my head i’d say it looks like the lf1 suture was protracted a few mm and the angle from the point the green arrow is pointing to increases perhaps 7-10 degrees…
It does however also look like that “brick” Sitting on top of the lf1 suture has elongated significantly.

Let me know what you think…

 

[ICL]

I’m not literate in reading such photos.

It wasn't a before and after of marpe.

It's showing Midface hypoplasia (a really flat midface) vs a normal midface

ks like the lf1 suture was protracted a few mm and the angle from the point the green arrow is pointing to increases perhaps 7-10 degrees…

Probably

It does however also look like that “brick” Sitting on top of the lf1 suture has elongated significantly.

VME though that's not from marpe, because it's 2 entirely different people


Those with midface hypoplasia need lefort 2/lefort 3

 

[Noriju]

It wasn't a before and after of marpe.

It's showing Midface hypoplasia (a really flat midface) vs a normal midface

Probably

VME though that's not from marpe, because it's 2 entirely different people


Those with midface hypoplasia need lefort 2/lefort 3

I really can’t get it through my head that, consistent use of protraction + fme would NOT change the rest of your facial bones.
It seems so alienlike to me.
lets say i do get 4mm expansion and 2mm protraction - where would this space come from? The zygo’s and other adjacent bones need to make space right?
This is obviously me theorycrafting but i wonder where you get this certainty from?

the upper maxilla wont be moved

Only the lower maxilla (occlusion)

Looks kinda like this.
Pm if you don’t mind seeing my unfrauded pics.

 

[ICL]

I really can’t get it through my head that, consistent use of protraction + fme would NOT change the rest of your facial bones.

Yes that's my point

lets say i do get 4mm expansion and 2mm protraction - where would this space come from? The zygo’s and other adjacent bones need to make space right?

you're expanding which will cause fractures

that'll heal overtime

Looks kinda like this.

This is just an underbite

Pm if you don’t mind seeing my unfrauded pics.

not needed

 

[Noriju]

ou're expanding which will cause fractures

that'll heal overtime

So the rest of the bones do not move?
You mean to say: it’s just fracturing that heals over time?

 

[ICL]

So the rest of the bones do not move?
You mean to say: it’s just fracturing that heals over time?

No they do move

They break the bones

Then push it

Then the fractures are replaced with bone and heal

Basic bodily growth unless you have osteopenia