Orthodontics & Orthotropics Looksmaxxing Guide: How to Escape Craniofacial Dystrophy

[FrenchChad]

i feel clicking sounds in my left jaw when i open my jaw wide

whats causing this?

Don't care buddy, keep fighting

 

[FrenchChad]

How can i achieve pull thumb ? Does my thumb have to touch my palate or my teeth ? I don't understand

 

[Moldovancel]

How can i achieve pull thumb ? Does my thumb have to touch my palate or my teeth ? I don't understand

Not a thumb puller but I think you're supposed to press on the palate. otherwise you're gonna have flared front teeth

 

[Deleted member 16275]

Don't care buddy, keep fighting

sarcasm?

 

[FrenchChad]

sarcasm?

I'm mewing since only 2 weeks and i see tiny changes, even my fhwr increased a bit, i bought d3+k2 and l-carnitine (for hollow cheeks), Mewing works and is worth, you have a choice, either you ascend either you stay a subhuman, sacrifices had to be made.

 

[Deleted member 8365]

I'm mewing since only 2 weeks and i see tiny changes, even my fhwr increased a bit, i bought d3+k2 and l-carnitine (for hollow cheeks), Mewing works and is worth, you have a choice, either you ascend either you stay a subhuman, sacrifices had to be made.

Ça augmente vraiment les hollow cheek ?

 

[FrenchChad]

Ça augmente vraiment les hollow cheek ?

En gros le mewing atrophie les muscles des joues vu que tu es censé avaler en faisant pression avec ta langue sur le palais, du coup ça les rend creuses (ce qui est génial), mais si tu es gros ça ne changera rien à ce niveau.
Perso je ne vois pas encore d'effet à ce niveau mais je ferais un bilan dans 3 mois, je vais go HIIT + l-carnitine tous les jours pendant 6 mois.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

How can i achieve pull thumb ? Does my thumb have to touch my palate or my teeth ? I don't understand

It has to touch your palate and then apply forward-up pressure to it.

 

[Stopping@Nothing19]

i feel clicking sounds in my left jaw when i open my jaw wide

whats causing this?

it's TMJ probably caused by excessive chewwing

 

[FrenchChad]

It has to touch your palate and then apply forward-up pressure to it.

Ok i'll do it everyday for the 20 next years buddy

 

[Deleted member 17027]

Mewing is giving me TMJ

It's working my nigga let's gooo good job nigger haha

 

[Deleted member 17027]

it's TMJ probably caused by excessive chewwing

If u didn't chew like a real nigga since recently ND u have TMJ it's probably cause ur jaw is not grown properly

 

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

Bones in adults are still malleable, and they are continually undergoing bone remodeling. Babies have a 100% bone remodeling rate, and in adults, it’s about 10%. It’s still within the realm of possibility to get positive, permanent changes to your bone structure.

where u got this?

 

[Deusmaximus]

Mewing

 

[𝔻𝔸𝕎ℕ 𝕆𝔽 𝕂ℍ𝔸L]

is this op?

Yeah, bro. I'm definitely going to take advice from psychos like him.
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[Deleted member 20131]

Semi legit thread except for one thing

ALF is a scam, at least if you don't know what you're doing

source: had it done in 2012

 

[Deleted member 2729]

Sadly mewing won't save me cuz I am too old and its effects are very minor. I need ccw trimax..

 

[Featherless Biped]

Mewing is giving me TMJ

I noticed some clicks at the start and once I super hard mewed 3 hours straight while watching a movie, got a super headache and a ton of clicking went away though and now hard mewing no clicks

 

[Zures]

amazing thread on this REALLY important topic that is not talked much about for some reason

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Bump

 

[lifemaxxing_01]

Bump

I feel getting upward and forward growth is the best looksmax you can do besides leanmaxxing.

Is a facepuller cope on its own? Do you need MSE to break the sutures?

 

[spongebob]

Mewing works 100% but you start to regress when you stop mewing. You first need to improve the muscles which takes a long time. After 20 you definitely see improvements (saying there aren't is a cope) but the amount of time needed for it is so huge and the aesthetic effect is so little , people give up. After 3 years I can say there's 100% improvement but once again, consistency is key. If I was mewing 100% of the time I wouldnt be recognisable by most.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

I feel getting upward and forward growth is the best looksmax you can do besides leanmaxxing.

Is a facepuller cope on its own? Do you need MSE to break the sutures?

Face pulling devices are laborious but not cope.
What sutures?

 

[lifemaxxing_01]

Face pulling devices are laborious but not cope.
What sutures?

It is said by many that there are maxillary sutures in the skull that fuse or at least become less compliant when you grow older, especially in adulthood. So some people use a SKELETAL borne expander to actually split this suture to improve bone remodeling, tooth borne ones apparently don't do anything though.
So a common thing is MSE + face pull or MARPE + face pull but idk which is better ngl, and im not even sure if you actually need MSE or if its cope.

 

[lifemaxxing_01]

Mewing works 100% but you start to regress when you stop mewing. You first need to improve the muscles which takes a long time. After 20 you definitely see improvements (saying there aren't is a cope) but the amount of time needed for it is so huge and the aesthetic effect is so little , people give up. After 3 years I can say there's 100% improvement but once again, consistency is key. If I was mewing 100% of the time I wouldnt be recognisable by most.

How old are you? Also I feel your tongue needs to be strong enough. I can never mew consistently because I can't get my tongue fully on my palate, only the front part, I think it needs more strength.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

It is said by many that there are maxillary sutures in the skull that fuse or at least become less compliant when you grow older, especially in adulthood. So some people use a SKELETAL borne expander to actually split this suture to improve bone remodeling, tooth borne ones apparently don't do anything though.
So a common thing is MSE + face pull or MARPE + face pull but idk which is better ngl, and im not even sure if you actually need MSE or if its cope.

I doubt you'll break sutures with MSE

 

[lifemaxxing_01]

I doubt you'll break sutures with MSE

why not, do you think facepuller on its own is enough then?

 

[enchanted_elixir]

why not, do you think facepuller on its own is enough then?

Depends on your age and your bone malleability. But facepullers stretch, they don't break.

 

[infini]

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• Craniofacial Dystrophy

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This is caused when proper oral posture is not maintained, oftentimes via mouth breathing. Improper oral posture is when the tongue is not on the roof of your mouth to hold your facial bones in place. Your maxilla sinks downwards and back (causing tired eyes as there lacks maxillary support, and also a crooked nose as your maxilla can't support your lower nose), your jawbone (mandible) pulls in, and your breathing ability is stunted, oftentimes, encouraging you to mouth breathe even more and spirals out of control. This causes a slew of dystrophic traits, all bundled up into one.

Mewing​

Mewing is a long-term technique for improving your facial structure. It’s one of the most important things you can do to have a chiseled jawline, prominent cheekbones, and hollow cheeks, and attain the overall model look. It is a cost-free cure to solve craniofacial dystrophy.

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Mewing consists of keeping the tongue on the roof of your mouth, also known as proper oral posture. Improper oral posture is when your tongue isn't on the roof of your mouth. When the tongue is on the roof of the mouth, the bones stay in place and don't sag, when it is not, the face "melts". Mouthbreathing is another catastrophic way to ruin your facial bones and face.

If you have a narrow palate like me, you'll have to expand your palate before mewing as you won't be getting any results as your tongue won't be able to hit the top of your mouth. I've been mewing for half a year now and I have barely gotten any results. Just figured this out.

You can also do what's known as hard mewing, basically mewing but with a lot of force, to speed up gains but at the possible price of asymmetries. When it comes to mewing, I recommend regular mewing unless chronically recessed.

Bones in adults are still malleable, and they are continually undergoing bone remodeling. Babies have a 100% bone remodeling rate, and in adults, it’s about 10%. It’s still within the realm of possibility to get positive, permanent changes to your bone structure. If you don’t believe that the bones change, just look at the differences between the youthful vs. aging skull (Eduardo et al., 2017):

Effects of mouth breathing on facial aesthetics:
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Before and Afters:
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Much more information on mewing below...

Scientific Evidence on Mewing: https://magnumworkshop.com/scientific-evidence-for-mewing/
Guides on how to mew: https://looksmax.org/threads/mewing-guide-detailed.209307/, https://magnumworkshop.com/mewing-the-ultimate-guide/

Wonder when Mewtwoing will be made?

My biggest concern with mouthbreathing solo (including exhaling via nose) is when doing high intensity cardio how mucus and snot tend to develop and I'm left having to push it out without trying to look like a hobo.

Not sure if related but I might have a septum deviation that can be hindering it.

Intraoral Face Pulling​

This is a technique where you literally will pull the top of your mouth forward and upwards (maxillary advancement) or out (widening palate) via your thumbs.

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Face-pulling works similarly to mewing. You apply a force to your upper palate, and this forces your bones to remodel in response to that force.
Here are some guides on how to perform this: https://magnumworkshop.com/face-pulling/


I strongly advise you to not be very forceful with this, you can get asymmetry from this if not done properly. Do this for an hour a day (spread out).
I heavily suggest combining this with mewing!

Appliances​

• Palate Expander

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This device expands your palate, a prerequisite to mewing for a lot of people with narrow palates. Costs around $2,500 USD. Consult your orthodontist for one.

• ALF Device

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Fixes asymmetrical maxillas, and restores dental symmetry, look at the woman above, flawless symmetrical teeth using the device
Costs around $8,000 to $14,000 USD. Consult your orthodontist for one.

Can Invisalign do this also?

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