No. You also do a midline split at the maxilla and mandible and torque them outwards to create gigachad width
no one on this forum can provide "sources" (unless involved deeper) as most are just empirical observation from 1 or 2 reddit posts, i can only speak from my experience during consultations, and its that pag concern is mainly retention, so you can present a dumb plan, (and too his credit, during my first cons, he did warn about certain things, but not outright deny) and if you push hard enough, he will do it, ram will not, simply
Minecraft maxxing
wtf LOL
Fillers?
5 piece mandible osteotomy
Apparently Bell does this too. I never knew. Must be niche and uncertain with regard to stability and safety, right?
No it is very stable and safe because they use really expensive hardware that can keep it stable.
Yes its extremely risky for the tmj, and most people who do bimax have tmj issues
I mean ram does the same thing for everyone. And he has a general face he creates almost for everyone. Pag is more patient specfic. Raffaini mogs them both still, and there is probably other surgeons who is also better then pag snd ram because they are only good not really extraordinary
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Would you say if someone wanted ramus widening to replace width you would get with jaw angles one should go to Pagnoni and why?
One benefit of ram is mios, which other surgeons do mios? Fast recovery is a big deal at least for me
Mios is a bit of a scam, it does make initial recovery easier. But it doesnt do that much. The bones will not heal faster, and that is what makes recovery hard and long because its deep inflammation and makes swelling prolonged. Its good for nerves etc, but not placing plates posteriorly like the mios main thing is about, makes it more unstable and no big movements can be done on the maxilla in safe manner. Its def more a marketing trick then necessary. And in some way it has more downsides then postives
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Yeah ik that, bones obviously will have same healing timeline. I was not really thinking of cases that need big maxilla movements, you are right. But I believe it's not just a marketing gimmick for bsso only or for bimax with moderate movements.
drop the name
who's the third surgeon you plan on going with?
I mean higher risk but maybe better reward. Allways said this. I def rather go with ramieri tho because of good reasons
How is he not a good surgeon now?
Based
been saying this. Burak clears him also. no question in mind
@lurking truecel go watch my thread about burak being better than either of those bitch ass niggers. I tagged you on there as well
Man you sound like some teenager that gets 1 usd everytime you bring Burak a lead
Conservative meaning little?
I know but what was his name?
dr ed terino
i dont know, he is def riskier
I'm here to say who's the best. And so far I have not found someone who does complex surgeries to the extent of Burak.
Paid ?
nope... just like you sucked Ramieri's cock for a long time, i'm doing the same with someone who I think is worth a lot. Not tryna get under advanced with ramieri either way
How would u know u would get under advanced by him?
because that's all he does. he takes 30k and does the safest movements possible
ur speaking shit mate its 20k firstly and i just had surgery with him and had over 20mm+ pog, and know multiple others that have had big movements with him
He is not big on maxilla though
HMm yea right
you got that wrong . Its pag who is 30k so he can botch
Yh he is obviously not the highest risk taker but the claims he does the min movements every time just isn’t true
Can you share the name?
