Palestinians: Were your ancestors Jews or Christians?

[Reckless Turtle]

 

[TsarTsar444]

This is exactly what my family says as well when i ask them this, or even better when i say how our ancestors believed in Slavic paganism before Christianity and Islam in the end, they get shocked, "muh that is false history we were always muslim kangz and shiet"

 

[Reckless Turtle]

This is exactly what my family says as well when i ask them this, or even better when i say how our ancestors believed in Slavic paganism before Christianity and Islam in the end, they get shocked, "muh that is false history we were always muslim kangz and shiet"

You're Bosniak?

 

[TsarTsar444]

You're Bosniak?

Yes

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Yes

What about your girlfriend?

 

[innervoid765]

I haven’t watched this video so idk what they say but the answer to the title is that the Palestinians ancestors were Christians

Before Islamic conquest the Palestinians were Christian under Byzantine rule

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Before Islamic conquest the Palestinians were Christian under Byzantine rule

And before that, they were probably Jewish under the Kingdom of Israel.

 

[innervoid765]

And before that, they were probably Jewish under the Kingdom of Israel.

No, the Palestinians are descendants of the Philistines whereas the Jews/Israelis of today are descendants of the ancient hebrews/Israelites. They’re distinct ethnic groups, but they did live alongside each other before the Jews were expelled and sent into diaspora following the Judeo-roman wars.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

No, the Palestinians are descendants of the Philistines whereas the Jews/Israelis of today are descendants of the ancient hebrews/Israelites. They’re distinct ethnic groups, but they did live alongside each other before the Jews were expelled and sent into diaspora following the Judeo-Christian wars.

So you're arguing that Palestinians are descendants of Philistia, which is essentially the modern Gaza strip?

Kingdom of Israel (united monarchy) - Wikipedia

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[innervoid765]

So you're arguing that Palestinians are descendants of Philistia, which is essentially the modern Gaza strip?

Kingdom of Israel (united monarchy) - Wikipedia

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yes I believe so

 

[Reckless Turtle]

yes I believe so

This would mean that "Palestinians" have a "rightful claim" to Gaza based on lineage but not modern Israel and Judea and Samaria.

 

[innervoid765]

This would mean that "Palestinians" have a "rightful claim" to Gaza based on lineage but not modern Israel and Judea and Samaria.

why are putting Palestinians in airqouotes lmao do you deny their existence too

 

[Reckless Turtle]

why are putting Palestinians in airqouotes do you deny their existence lol

Many of the modern "Palestinians" probably have as much, if not more, Arab/Egyptian/Jordanian DNA as they do Palestinian DNA. Also, the glaring fact that European men (non-Jewish) occupied the region for centuries under military campaigns and had bastard children there is conveniently ignored.

 

[TsarTsar444]

What about your girlfriend?

Gorani

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Gorani

 

[innervoid765]

Many of the modern "Palestinians" probably have as much, if not more, Arab/Egyptian/Jordanian DNA as they do Palestinian DNA. Also, the glaring fact that European men (non-Jewish) occupied the region for centuries under military campaigns and had bastard children there is conveniently ignored.

lmao not true, the Palestinians always have been and always will be their own ethnic group no matter how much you zionists try to erase their identity by accusing them of being X, Y, Z ethnic group besides just Palestinians.

Palestinians are descendants of the ancient philistines who have inhabited the land of Palestine for millennia and while they might have some non Palestinian admixture this doesn't comprise most of their gene pool.

And if you wanna play that game by saying Palestinians aren't real because they have some Egyptian or Arab DNA. I can say 'ethnic jews' and 'Israelis' aren't real because a lot of their DNA is European for example in the case of Ashkenazis or iraqi/morrocan in the case of some mizrahis.

You denying the Palestinian identity because they have some foreign DNA is the equivalent of me denying the ethnic jewish identity because they have DNA admixture from Europe/non jewish Middle East.

It's retarded because every ethnic group has DNA from outside their own ethnicity, for example germans have some Celtic, slavic ancestry so does that mean the German ethnicity is fake lmao.

And 'ethnic jews' have ALOT more non jewish DNA than Palestinians have non Palestinian DNA

 

[innervoid765]

Many of the modern "Palestinians" probably have as much, if not more, Arab/Egyptian/Jordanian DNA as they do Palestinian DNA. Also, the glaring fact that European men (non-Jewish) occupied the region for centuries under military campaigns and had bastard children there is conveniently ignored.

listen its clear you're just a racist piece of shit who's spiteful towards the Palestinians as oppose to someone who wants to have a nuanced historical discussion. So instead of wasting your breath by gaslighting you can save us all the time by saying you support Israel because they're killing and torturing Palestinians and Arabs that would save us all alot of time.

 

[TsarTsar444]

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Gorani people - Wikipedia

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[Reckless Turtle]

no matter how much you zionists try to erase their identity

I'm not a Zionist, schizo.

And 'ethnic jews' have ALOT more non jewish DNA than Palestinians have non Palestinian DNA

I educated myself on the history of Palestine

...as an irreligious individual of Western European origin. Judaism originated in 6th/5th century BCE in Judah (within Palestine). Islam originated in CE 610 in Jabal al-Nour, Arabia. Thus, Judaism is the true (currently existing, monotheistic) religion of Palestine. Furthermore, as Jews...

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[Reckless Turtle]

listen its clear you're just a racist piece of shit who's spiteful towards the Palestinians as oppose to someone who wants to have a nuanced historical discussion.

Ironic.

 

[innervoid765]

Ironic.

lol how so

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Gorani people - Wikipedia

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I never knew they existed since their population is tiny.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

lol how so

which is worse rn to be a med passing Muslim in the west rn or a medium - darks skinned Indian

which is worse to deal with the anti Muslim sentiment/racism or being a pajeet laughstock with 0 SMV

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you can't fuck any woman you smelly pajeet

What is your ethnicity to be judging us are you a kike or a kike worshipping white/dindu it’s gonna one of those

why r u as a nigger doing tricks on israeli cock when they would view you as just barely a human if you were in israel, look at how they treat ethiopian jews.

If kike niggers aren't safe from their racism what makes you think you as a goyim nigger will.

it was based when hamas arab chad raped a kike whore till her pussy bled

 

[innervoid765]

which is worse rn to be a med passing Muslim in the west rn or a medium - darks skinned Indian

which is worse to deal with the anti Muslim sentiment/racism or being a pajeet laughstock with 0 SMV

looksmax.org

What is the context in which I said that stuff

 

[Reckless Turtle]

What is the context in which I said that stuff

The context was you being a racist piece of shit rather than having a nuanced historical discussion.

 

[Gengar]

The context was you being a racist piece of shit rather than having a nuanced historical discussion.

He’s like 15 years old. Teens can’t have a proper discussion.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

He’s like 15 years old. Teens can’t have a proper discussion.

Stop being ageist.

 

[TsarTsar444]

I never knew they existed since their population is tiny.

They number almost 200k people together with the Torbesh and majority self proclaimed balkan turks (literally same ethnicity just different names). Not that my gf is one but they are very fascinating for me because of how many ancient traditions they have still preserved compared to other balkan people its amazing

 

[Reckless Turtle]

No, the Palestinians are descendants of the Philistines whereas the Jews/Israelis of today are descendants of the ancient hebrews/Israelites. They’re distinct ethnic groups, but they did live alongside each other before the Jews were expelled and sent into diaspora following the Judeo-roman wars.

Jewish tribes of Arabia - Wikipedia

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[LongForgotten]

Jewish tribes of Arabia - Wikipedia

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When their source is merely a Wikipedia link (which is also a Zionist site), it tells you everything you need to know @yeeyeeslayer.

 

[lassebasse]

ALLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHLALALALALLALA

 

[innervoid765]

which is worse rn to be a med passing Muslim in the west rn or a medium - darks skinned Indian

which is worse to deal with the anti Muslim sentiment/racism or being a pajeet laughstock with 0 SMV

looksmax.org

Those racist remarks were aimed at individuals who were racist/disrespectful so they’re justified. And you didn’t deny your racism.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

When their source is merely a Wikipedia link (which is also a Zionist site), it tells you everything you need to know @yeeyeeslayer.

Cornered schizo provides no substantiated counterpoints.

According to Dr. Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri from citation 3 in the Wikipedia article:

The basic constituent members of this document and their associates shallpossess the equal constitutional status.The Jews of Aws (one of the basic constituent members of this document) andtheir allies shall posses the same constitutional status as the other parties to thisdocument, with a condition

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[Reckless Turtle]

Those racist remarks were aimed at individuals who were racist/disrespectful so they’re justified. And you didn’t deny your racism.

All ad homs, 0 arguments

 

[innervoid765]

All ad homs, 0 arguments

I wasn’t debating or discussing with the people who I replied to in this way, it was them being rude/disrespectful to people of my ethnicity so I responded in kind. I didn’t give those personal attacks to avoid engaging in a debate with them

 

[Reckless Turtle]

I wasn’t debating or discussing with the people who I replied to in this way, it was them being rude/disrespectful to people of my ethnicity so I responded in kind. I didn’t say those things to avoid engaging in a debate with them

I'm referring to this post. Stay on topic.

 

[innervoid765]

I'm referring to this post. Stay on topic.

You accused me of being racist by bringing up old posts and I’m addressing them, this was our topic when we were talking the other day .

 

[Reckless Turtle]

You accused me of being racist by bringing up old posts and I’m addressing them, this was our topic when we were talking the other day .

I simply substantiated this single-word claim (with quotes from unrelated threads), at your request:

Ironic

lol how so

 

[LongForgotten]

Cornered schizo provides no substantiated counterpoints.

According to Dr. Muhammad Tahir-ul-Qadri from citation 3 in the Wikipedia article:

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The counterpoint was that you're using a well known zionist source (Wikipedia.). I'm already wasting time on you in another thread so don't care to look through this source, but your original post didn't even specify this part of the Wikipedia page specifically.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

The counterpoint was that you're using a well known zionist source (Wikipedia.).

Wikipedia is a collection of sources.

I'm already wasting time on you in another thread so don't care to look through this source

Convenient copout.

 

[LongForgotten]

Wikipedia is a collection of sources.


Convenient copout.

Your dad should've had a convenient copout when making you.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Your dad should've had a convenient copout when making you.

Stay on topic rather than calling for the ethnic cleansing of non-Muslims.

 

[IAMNOTANINCEL]

 

[LongForgotten]

Stay on topic rather than calling for the ethnic cleansing of non-Muslims.

Ethnic cleansing? Non muslim is not an ethnicity. And I'm not muslim.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Ethnic cleansing? Non muslim is not an ethnicity. And I'm not muslim.

I am from a collection of ethnicities that (nearly) unanimously didn't practice Islam and you just called for my genetic cleansing. Your religious status is irrelevant.

 

[LongForgotten]

I am from a collection of ethnicities that (nearly) unanimously didn't practice Islam and you just called for my genetic cleansing. Your religious status is irrelevant.

Yeah and nowhere did I call for the cleansing of those ethnicities; I just called for yours

 

[Reckless Turtle]

Yeah and nowhere did I call for the cleansing of those ethnicities; I just called for yours

The downstream result of a single individual's lineage could result in the formation of an "ethnicity."

 

[LongForgotten]

The downstream result of a single individual's lineage could result in the formation of an "ethnicity."

By that logic calling for the death of someone is always an act of ethnic cleansing.

 

[LongForgotten]

The downstream result of a single individual's lineage could result in the formation of an "ethnicity."

I don't think you understood what I wrote, I didn't call for the cleansing of any ethnicity, I called for the cleansing of you.

 

[Reckless Turtle]

By that logic calling for the death of someone is always an act of ethnic cleansing.

Assuming that they had the potential for reproductive success, yes.