peptides for muscle mass

[pizdon]

i am considering hopping on CJC-1295 DAC combined with GHRP2 (or ipamorelin) to get the 1+1=3 synergy of GHRPs with GHRHs,

my main goal is to lean down and get more muscle mass, obviously i dont expect nothing dramatic like steroids
I right now am sitting at around 13-15% bodyfat, ~70kg ish, 173cm (155lbs, 5'8ish) after 3-4 years of training (yes i know, pretty shit results for the time ive trained, but i was coping way too long with doing strength training and just overall inconsistency and inexperience)
I dont care abt bone mass or height gains, i know they dont exist on it

the plan is 200mcg cjc + 200mcg ipa 2x daily, maybe reta 2mg/week, if i can handle it without sides i might up it to 300mcg cjc + 300mcg ipa, and 4mg reta down the line, the plan is to run it all for 12 weeks.
Question is, what can I expect from such a "cycle"? Also would it be wise to consider adding the retatrutide to the stack, or is it just a waste?

 

[thereallegend]

raw beef has all the peptides you need bro

 

[pizdon]

raw beef has all the peptides you need bro

i already carry a big steak that i smear all over the bench to get all the gains i could, but W answer ngl

 

[samgrattlescouilles]

Why would you do peptides insteat of steroids bro wtf

 

[mufasamufasa]

raw beef has all the peptides you need bro

Cope, carbs is what builds muscle.


Peptides aren’t any good for building muscle. Blast testosterone

 

[pizdon]

Why would you do peptides insteat of steroids bro wtf

mostly just the risk profile is much more manageable, trying to gain experience with peptides before i start doing AAS, which i know are mogging peptides hard when it comes to actual results, but i was curious if the standard greycel cjc+ipa was something thats gonna result in some more gains instead of just draining my wallet lmao

 

[samgrattlescouilles]

mostly just the risk profile is much more manageable, trying to gain experience with peptides before i start doing AAS, which i know are mogging peptides hard when it comes to actual results, but i was curious if the standard greycel cjc+ipa was something thats gonna result in some more gains instead of just draining my wallet lmao

Ngl your wasting your money on peptides beside we dont know the full long terme effects of those research chems so you might be getting cancer in 50years use test its been researched for decades and if you start small like at 250mg you can manage side easilly

 

[ChristianMarius]

Steroids bro, steroids. "Worst case" scenerio is hoping off 3-4 months in, which is still better than your starting point.
Combine that with the perminant increase in numbers of nuclei and you'll know its worth

 

[pizdon]

Ngl your wasting your money on peptides beside we dont know the full long terme effects of those research chems so you might be getting cancer in 50years use test its been researched for decades and if you start small like at 250mg you can manage side easilly

thats the main point why i havent started yet, the compounds sound pretty alright for what they are, but the long term effects being unknown is kinda concerning, paired with mediocre results and costs that surpass what a regular test-based cycle would. but i have considered HGH instead of test honestly, still affordable for me, but the sides seem more favorable compared to test, and also non-suppressive so i dont have to worry about tanking my test hormones for the rest of my life and possibly relying on TRT or something

 

[pizdon]

Steroids bro, steroids. "Worst case" scenerio is hoping off 3-4 months in, which is still better than your starting point.
Combine that with the perminant increase in numbers of nuclei and you'll know its worth

enough said, i think the arguments you guys have stated make me consider roiding instead, just makes more sense for what im trying to achieve, thing is - is HGH + reta only cycle for the first time a good idea? Again, the goal is lean mass and fat loss, which i hope hgh can provide, and reta can assist with the former. Budget doesnt really matter, im already jobmaxxed and got money saved for all the stuff i would need

 

[samgrattlescouilles]

thats the main point why i havent started yet, the compounds sound pretty alright for what they are, but the long term effects being unknown is kinda concerning, paired with mediocre results and costs that surpass what a regular test-based cycle would. but i have considered HGH instead of test honestly, still affordable for me, but the sides seem more favorable compared to test, and also non-suppressive so i dont have to worry about tanking my test hormones for the rest of my life and possibly relying on TRT or something

Just pct brah cbum who was blasting grams of tren had a kid so i wouldnt be worried about trt even if your abusing grams of test for years it will definetly take longer to recover but its still possible do whatever you want but just know test is cheaper has better results and as long as your educated you wont risk much more than with hgh

 

[pizdon]

Just pct brah cbum who was blasting grams of tren had a kid so i wouldnt be worried about trt even if your abusing grams of test for years it will definetly take longer to recover but its still possible do whatever you want but just know test is cheaper has better results and as long as your educated you wont risk much more than with hgh

well i think that answers all my questions for now, ill consider it for sure. glad i didnt get brainwashed by the copers abt ipa and cjc tho

 

[thereallegend]

Cope, carbs is what builds muscle.


Peptides aren’t any good for building muscle. Blast testosterone

No need to blast testosterone. If you can't be high T without exogenous hormones, you're useless.

 

[mufasamufasa]

No need to blast testosterone. If you can't be high T without exogenous hormones, you're useless.

Keep coping raw sludgecel. Would love to see your 500ng/dl test bloodwork.

 

[pizdon]

No need to blast testosterone. If you can't be high T without exogenous hormones, you're useless.

optimizing your hormones is one thing, but its not possible to match AAS results even in 10% no matter how much raw meat and raw milk you consume

 

[thereallegend]

optimizing your hormones is one thing, but its not possible to match AAS results even in 10% no matter how much raw meat and raw milk you consume

I gained 30 lbs of muscle from raw meat and raw milk/eggs

 

[pizdon]

I gained 30 lbs of muscle from raw meat and raw milk/eggs

DNR

 

[ChristianMarius]

enough said, i think the arguments you guys have stated make me consider roiding instead, just makes more sense for what im trying to achieve, thing is - is HGH + reta only cycle for the first time a good idea? Again, the goal is lean mass and fat loss, which i hope hgh can provide, and reta can assist with the former. Budget doesnt really matter, im already jobmaxxed and got money saved for all the stuff i would need

Just pct after if u needa bro, my four month progress

 

[pizdon]

Just pct after if u needa bro, my four month progress

holy shit im mirin, what did u cycle with? seems like u achieved the same what i want - leaner and more muscular, and your muscle insertions look similar to mine aswell, hopefuel?

 

[ChristianMarius]

holy shit im mirin, what did u cycle with? seems like u achieved the same what i want - leaner and more muscular, and your muscle insertions look similar to mine aswell, hopefuel?

Just do 300 test p weekly (start with like 200 and go up, if you run into e2 problems: down the dose), add anavar (25-50mg) in the first couple of weeks or more. Do this for 4-5 months, and decide if you wanna stay on or do a pct. (you will be fine stopping since no hard 19-nor steroids have been used)

Maybe add a month or take one off if you have not seen the results you want yet, most of the change will happend in month 3 so dont stop there and listen to all the 12 weeks cycle experts, if your plan is going off completely afterwards.

All the best bro, feel free to ask or dm

 

[pizdon]

Just do 300 test p weekly (start with like 200 and go up, if you run into e2 problems: down the dose), add anavar (25-50mg) in the first couple of weeks or more. Do this for 4-5 months, and decide if you wanna stay on or do a pct. (you will be fine stopping since no hard 19-nor steroids have been used)

Maybe add a month or take one off if you have not seen the results you want yet, most of the change will happend in month 3 so dont stop there and listen to all the 12 weeks cycle experts, if your plan is going off completely afterwards.

All the best bro, feel free to ask or dm

I guess my account is too recent, i cannot PM anyone yet - can you pm me first?

 

[ChristianMarius]

I guess my account is too recent, i cannot PM anyone yet - can you pm me first?

Just write on my wall ig

 

[pizdon]

fuck it im gonna ask here;

Just write on my wall ig

im very acne prone, starting accutane soon actually. should i wait until i finish accutane or run the cycle alongside it, if the bloodwork is decent enough? this and also hormonal profile post cycle are my biggest concerns, my family has no history of male pattern baldness and my hairline is very good and doesnt seem like its gonna be worse, perhaps i would consider a DHT blocker alongside it just to be safe, if that even makes sense. Just curious - might be super stupid but doesnt really hurt to ask, can this somehow impact mandibulary or clavicular growth, or is that just a pipe dream? I believe I am a late bloomer, still gaining centimeters of height over years and my facial bone structure has seemingly gotten more robust over the last two years, and those two have shown to commonly change even past 20s, obviously nothing dramatic, but every millimeter matters i guess.

 

[ChristianMarius]

fuck it im gonna ask here;


im very acne prone, starting accutane soon actually. should i wait until i finish accutane or run the cycle alongside it, if the bloodwork is decent enough? this and also hormonal profile post cycle are my biggest concerns, my family has no history of male pattern baldness and my hairline is very good and doesnt seem like its gonna be worse, perhaps i would consider a DHT blocker alongside it just to be safe, if that even makes sense. Just curious - might be super stupid but doesnt really hurt to ask, can this somehow impact mandibulary or clavicular growth, or is that just a pipe dream? I believe I am a late bloomer, still gaining centimeters of height over years and my facial bone structure has seemingly gotten more robust over the last two years, and those two have shown to commonly change even past 20s, obviously nothing dramatic, but every millimeter matters i guess.

Feel free to run Accutane alongside it, just watch out for your liver if you go with Anavar, and don’t use high doses of Accutane. Masteron is good in my opinion, though perhaps not ideal if you’re prone to or afraid of DHT-related effects. That said, don’t overdo Mast, keep it at a level where your E2 stays in a good range. Many people use the rule of thumb that if they run 500 mg of test, they do 250 mg of mast (a 1:2 ratio), but you’ll need to experiment and start low. I recommend using a short-ester version of mast so you can adjust quickly if needed.

In theory, you could see some “growth” in your clavicle bone - many people claim this. BUT it could just as well be a perception. Your shoulders will likely grow significantly, giving you a wider frame that might be mistaken for clavicular growth.
I don’t believe your clavicles will grow much tho if bone growth has stopped, though you will/might gain some density, just not reshaping.

Don’t stress too much about your hormonal profile post-cycle. I’d suggest reading studies on men who stopped TRT and their recovery rates after being on TRT for less than a year or so if afraid.

 

[pizdon]

Feel free to run Accutane alongside it, just watch out for your liver if you go with Anavar, and don’t use high doses of Accutane. Masteron is good in my opinion, though perhaps not ideal if you’re prone to or afraid of DHT-related effects. That said, don’t overdo Mast, keep it at a level where your E2 stays in a good range. Many people use the rule of thumb that if they run 500 mg of test, they do 250 mg of mast (a 1:2 ratio), but you’ll need to experiment and start low. I recommend using a short-ester version of mast so you can adjust quickly if needed.

In theory, you could see some “growth” in your clavicle bone - many people claim this. BUT it could just as well be a perception. Your shoulders will likely grow significantly, giving you a wider frame that might be mistaken for clavicular growth.
I don’t believe your clavicles will grow much tho if bone growth has stopped, though you will/might gain some density, just not reshaping.

Don’t stress too much about your hormonal profile post-cycle. I’d suggest reading studies on men who stopped TRT and their recovery rates after being on TRT for less than a year or so if afraid.

mirin knowledge tbh, yeah i think i will do 500 test + a bit of var for the start, dont want to stack million different substances together and the masteron benefits dont seem to outweigh the pros for me. i strongly believe i have good shoulder genetics tho, always had a wide frame and good shoulder vascularity and pretty good muscle mass as soon as i started training so i guess im in the green with this one.

 

[ChristianMarius]

mirin knowledge tbh, yeah i think i will do 500 test + a bit of var for the start, dont want to stack million different substances together and the masteron benefits dont seem to outweigh the pros for me. i strongly believe i have good shoulder genetics tho, always had a wide frame and good shoulder vascularity and pretty good muscle mass as soon as i started training so i guess im in the green with this one.

Thats perfect bro, just make sure not to go directly into 500 weekly, start at 200-250 and go up. I would use testosterone P, again for the short ester so you could adjust quickly. Glad to be of help