Planning on having Infraorbital implants with saddle with Dr.Mario Pagnoni

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Quoted me 18k€ , and is waiting for my CT scans of my Skull which I'm about to send, also free consultation if I proceed with the surgery (which I will) .
 
you’ve decided against fat grafting? it’s like 9x cheaper
 
Zefus said:
you’ve decided against fat grafting? it’s like 9x cheaper
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Can't fix structural problem with a soft tissue procedure, even if fat grafts help I will still have recessed infras, I need to see my CT scans of my skull , but I'm 90% sure I have recessed infras, also infraorbital implants with saddle not only adds bone volume but more efficient orbicularis oculi muscle usage which makes your eyes more aesthetic when smiling, squinting, just overall more lively and expressive eyes durning irl interaction something which fat grafting cannot do, I have about 50k€ and I'm planning other surgeries as well but since infras have brutal recovery and one of my longest insecurities since I've known the black pill, I'm firstly going with them
 
Chasingthedream569 said:
Can't fix structural problem with a soft tissue procedure, even if fat grafts help I will still have recessed infras, I need to see my CT scans of my skull , but I'm 90% sure I have recessed infras, also infraorbital implants with saddle not only adds bone volume but more efficient orbicularis oculi muscle usage which makes your eyes more aesthetic when smiling, squinting, just overall more lively and expressive eyes durning irl interaction something which fat grafting cannot do, I have about 50k€ and I'm planning other surgeries as well but since infras have brutal recovery and one of my longest insecurities since I've known the black pill, I'm firstly going with them
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can you show a pic of your eyes from the side? how bad is the negative vector?
 
Implants around the eyes are really risky because how thin the skin and movement
 
Terrortheplug said:
Implants around the eyes are really risky because how thin the skin and movement
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That's true, every surgery comes with its risks, I'm confident in Pagnonis surgical ability hence why I'm ready to pay that much
 
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Zefus said:
can you show a pic of your eyes from the side? how bad is the negative vector?
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Here are several angles of my eyes, yes I know and plan after the infras to do fat grafting for the upper eyelid
 
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Here are several angles of my eyes, yes I know and plan after the infras to do fat grafting for the upper eyelid
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the orbital vector seems to be only slightly negative, but i don’t think implants are a ridiculous idea for you, if you haven’t found it yet here’s a thread with a good (and cheap) clinic for fat grafting: https://looksmax.org/threads/fat-grafting-results-highly-requested.1317738/
 
Zefus said:
the orbital vector seems to be only slightly negative, but i don’t think implants are a ridiculous idea for you, if you haven’t found it yet here’s a thread with a good (and cheap) clinic for fat grafting: https://looksmax.org/threads/fat-grafting-results-highly-requested.1317738/
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Yeah I have seen that thread a thousand of times and I'm planning to do after my infras fat grafting to the upper eyelid and lower eyelid, thanks tho, when you say I don't think implants are ridiculous idea for me what do you mean by that
 
Chasingthedream569 said:
Yeah I have seen that thread a thousand of times and I'm planning to do after my infras fat grafting to the upper eyelid and lower eyelid, thanks tho, when you say I don't think implants are ridiculous idea for me what do you mean by that
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for some ppl they def don’t need implants and just need the fat grafting, but i think implants are appropriate for you
 
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Chasingthedream569 said:
Can't fix structural problem with a soft tissue procedure, even if fat grafts help I will still have recessed infras, I need to see my CT scans of my skull , but I'm 90% sure I have recessed infras, also infraorbital implants with saddle not only adds bone volume but more efficient orbicularis oculi muscle usage which makes your eyes more aesthetic when smiling, squinting, just overall more lively and expressive eyes durning irl interaction something which fat grafting cannot do, I have about 50k€ and I'm planning other surgeries as well but since infras have brutal recovery and one of my longest insecurities since I've known the black pill, I'm firstly going with them
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how old are you to have 50k saved up
 
Whirr22222 said:
IMO this doesn’t justify infras let alone saddled ones at all. I think fat grafting & maybe cheek implants though I can’t see the zygos in these images
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It does for me, the drooping of my lateral area of the lower eyelids is because of my Infras
 
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Sorry bro, but no it isnt, its a seperate issue
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Recessed infras = Droopy Lower eyelids due to lack of structure support, negative vector, sunken eyes, I have all 3 of them , as I said I'm 90% sure they are recessed, but ofcourse I will only proceed with the surgery after receiving my CT scans and analyzing them with Pagnoni
 
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INFRAMALARS DONT DO ANYTHING FOR EYELIDS AND UNDER EYE BAGS AREA LOL
 
You need cantho and fat graft, infras is just a plus but also creates bigger risk in surgeries you will need later on.
 
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lurking truecel said:
I mean i have infras myself and your eyes need cantho more than anything
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Infras with saddle will not only do what cantho does, but also add actual structural volume, where cantho will just reposition the soft tissue, i don't see the logic
 
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Infras with saddle will not only do what cantho does, but also add actual structural volume, where cantho will just reposition the soft tissue, i don't see the logic
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Your tilt wont change that much, it will still be negative and you have higher risks :smonk:
 
lurking truecel said:
Your tilt wont change that much, it will still be negative and you have higher risks :smonk:
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My tilt is not negative, it looks it's negative due to my upper eyelid having no fat + recessed infras (as I have said multiple times) the illusion of "negative eyes" I have measured my canthus tilt its neutral to little positive.
 
Chasingthedream569 said:
My tilt is not negative, it looks it's negative due to my upper eyelid having no fat + recessed infras (as I have said multiple times) the illusion of "negative eyes" I have measured my canthus tilt its neutral to little positive.
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Do whatever you want
 
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Josesito said:
Yo bro, do you give any mentorships or help, I have over 500k saved at 23, and I can spend some money in surgery
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Do not listen to him or this site, do your own research and analyze your facial flaws
 
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Josesito said:
Why you say so? Its better to have some feedback from someone that has gone through some surgeries that I want to get
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Because most users never had any surgery or will have any surgery and they cannot analyze your actual flaws better than you, pics sometimes distorts, only you know your face the best, there is no need for feedback from these users maybe if it was 2021 when actual blackpillera were on this site, now it's just brainrot users most of the time. All you need is to learn the perfect facial proportions, ratios etc, psl scale there are multiple threads here about it, and then rate your face OBJECTIVELY. After finding out your flaws then you can start working towards fixing them
 
Chasingthedream569 said:
Because most users never had any surgery or will have any surgery and they cannot analyze your actual flaws better than you, pics sometimes distorts, only you know your face the best, there is no need for feedback from these users maybe if it was 2021 when actual blackpillera were on this site, now it's just brainrot users most of the time. All you need is to learn the perfect facial proportions, ratios etc, psl scale there are multiple threads here about it, and then rate your face OBJECTIVELY. After finding out your flaws then you can start working towards fixing them
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You just dont want to realize that infras wont help much with your eyes. I have done infras myself and i can say for certain that your issue is not the infra bone itself. But i will not continue to discuss it but ask pag who is the actual surgeon what will be fixed or not with implants. Also 18k euro is fucking crazy price
 
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lurking truecel said:
You just dont want to realize that infras wont help much with your eyes. I have done infras myself and i can say for certain that your issue is not the infra bone itself. But i will not continue to discuss it but ask pag who is the actual surgeon what will be fixed or not with implants. Also 18k euro is fucking crazy price
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Nothing is too crazy price if I'm actually gonna ascend, if it costs even 100k I will still pay it if it's done correctly and will improve my eye area as it's probably most important feature, ascension above anything else.
 
Whirr22222 said:
IMO this doesn’t justify infras let alone saddled ones at all. I think fat grafting & maybe cheek implants though I can’t see the zygos in these images
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Can you show an example which justifies Infras and/or Saddles?
 
Fat graft here and canthopexy
and curl eyelashes and make ur eyebrows more pleasant
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I aint think u should spend 18k for implants
 
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