Please Don't Take Steroids

[Lonely]

I train since 2020 and i don’t look even top 50% physique, ectomorph plus low T levels I think I eat clean

Training issue

 

[jabaduk]

Training issue

Wtf is your training issue, I feel muscle which should be felt and I control my movement to autistic level

 

[jabaduk]

Wtf is your training issue, I feel muscle which should be felt and I control my movement to autistic level

I progressed somewhat with strength so progressive overload is checked also but I stopped at current level for like one and half of year

 

[Lonely]

I progressed somewhat with strength so progressive overload is checked also but I stopped at current level for like one and half of year

Wtf is your training issue, I feel muscle which should be felt and I control my movement to autistic level

What program were you doing?

 

[Deleted member 17429]

another high inhib bitch

 

[Lonely]

another high inhib bitch

You're a stupid and retarded faggot

 

[Deleted member 17429]

You're stupid

Explain ONE good reason why you shouldn’t use androgens. If you know what your doing (and even if you don’t, jfl) you will be fine.
Nono, actually you’ll die instantly after injecting test

 

[Lonely]

Explain ONE good reason why you shouldn’t use androgens. If you know what your doing (and even if you don’t, jfl) you will be fine.
Nono, actually you’ll die instantly after injecting test

I didn't say that anywhere in my thread

 

[Deleted member 17429]

I see a lot of threads made by 15, 16, 17 year olds saying they wanna take steroids. You're all gonna fuck up your development for some muscles that you could've gotten naturally. If you're not in your 5th+ year of training don't even think about touching roids. Your training/ skill/ diet/ recovery will be so suboptimal you'll be wasting time, money and organ health by roiding. You won't get optimal results. It's like someone roiding whilst benching 1 plate. Like wtf lmao.

You get an amazing physique naturally. If you must take roids, wait until you finish puberty. And don't take SARMs.

They wanna take roids to maximize puberty, not fucking physiquemaxxing although that is a benefit. Who gives a fuck about organ health? Have u heard the saying “looks or death.”? If you aren’t taking that shit seriously, you will never ascend.

 

[Lonely]

They wanna take roids to maximize puberty, not fucking physiquemaxxing although that is a benefit. Who gives a fuck about organ health? Have u heard the saying “looks or death.”? If you aren’t taking that shit seriously, you will never ascend.

>Roids to maximise Puberty

Unless you're talking about HGH that's utterly retarded.

>looks or death

Yeah no. Caging at this stupidity.

 

[Deleted member 17429]

>Roids to maximise Puberty

Unless you're talking about HGH that's utterly retarded.

>looks or death

Yeah no. Caging at this stupidity.

 

[Lonely]

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[APJ]

(1) you will never get to the point natty where your physique is like ‘holy shit!’ top 1% of the top 1% tier, which is where it needs to move the needle at all with decent-looking women assuming you are below 6’ and not facially top-tier. Proper natty competitive bodybuilders spend years in bulks where they look almost dyel to try and squeeze out and extra few lbs of muscle mass, when they cut to <10% bf they lose most of it and look as flat as shit, sure, mens health cover model tier but it’s extremely temporary and not at all impressive when compared to the roided fitness influencers who are revered.

(2) unless it’s hgh, don’t take shit that might fuck up your puberty. Waiting a year or two and making your newbie natty gains during that time won’t make or break your attractiveness to women in the medium or long term

(3) the ‘take roids a few years earlier to save time’ after your couple of years of natty gains is completely legit. Sure, you’re going to have negative health effects later on. But remember a healthy 6/10 man is locked out of any semblance of a fulfilling relationship, and so is an older man once his looks decline, and bar outstanding status will be shat on by other guys in a social circle (unless you’re at the top in sc, you’re fucked) and not get shit. As a male you’re the disposable gender, time to internalise this and take more (but not stupid!) risks.

Disclaimer: not medical advice. Consult a doctor (I mean this, be open with them) and if they tell you to get bloodwork done before, during, and after any cycle, do it.

 

[APJ]

Who gives a fuck about organ health?

you, in ten years’ time.

Maybe it’s the right or the wrong decision to sacrifice organ health for potential (not guaranteed by any means) causal sex opportunities. But don’t minimise the pain it will cause, major organ issues and hospital stays involve enormous suffering. These are bigger decisions than an average 18 year old (let alone younger) realises

 

[Lonely]

(1) you will never get to the point natty where your physique is like ‘holy shit!’ top 1% of the top 1% tier, which is where it needs to move the needle at all with decent-looking women assuming you are below 6’ and not facially top-tier. Proper natty competitive bodybuilders spend years in bulks where they look almost dyel to try and squeeze out and extra few lbs of muscle mass, when they cut to <10% bf they lose most of it and look as flat as shit, sure, mens health cover model tier but it’s extremely temporary and not at all impressive when compared to the roided fitness influencers who are revered.

(2) unless it’s hgh, don’t take shit that might fuck up your puberty. Waiting a year or two and making your newbie natty gains during that time won’t make or break your attractiveness to women in the medium or long term

(3) the ‘take roids a few years earlier to save time’ after your couple of years of natty gains is completely legit. Sure, you’re going to have negative health effects later on. But remember a healthy 6/10 man is locked out of any semblance of a fulfilling relationship, and so is an older man once his looks decline, and bar outstanding status will be shat on by other guys in a social circle (unless you’re at the top in sc, you’re fucked) and not get shit. As a male you’re the disposable gender, time to internalise this and take more (but not stupid!) risks.

Disclaimer: not medical advice. Consult a doctor (I mean this, be open with them) and if they tell you to get bloodwork done before, during, and after any cycle, do it.

1. People underestimate how good you can look as a Natty if you lift for 5-10 years lol. In fact, if you lift properly for 2-3 years you'll still be top 5%. Why? 95% of people don't even lift.
Cutting to sub 12% is stupidity anyways. You can look AMAZING at 15-20%

2. I don't really know what you're trying to say

3. You can take whatever you want as long as you lift natty for a few years (4+), and learn how to train and recover

 

[APJ]

1. People underestimate how good you can look as a Natty if you lift for 5-10 years lol. In fact, if you lift properly for 2-3 years you'll still be top 5%. Why? 95% of people don't even lift.
Cutting to sub 12% is stupidity anyways. You can look AMAZING at 15-20%

You can’t look amazing at 15%, come on, that’s fluffy abs when flexed. No serratus, little muscle separation to the point where it’s super obvious, and your face will look fluffy and not sharp (unless you have a top-tier jawline and zygos, in which case what the fuck are you doing on here). It really is 12 or below to look ‘great’. And bear in mind, having a top 5% physique will get you zero additional results with women to just being ‘thin’/‘slim’ but dyel. It takes an outstanding physique to move the needle.

2. I don't really know what you're trying to say

I’m saying that any 16yo who wants to hop on a cycle should wait a couple of years at least until puberty finishes, and make the first years of natty gains in the meantime.

3. You can take whatever you want as long as you lift natty for a few years (4+), and learn how to train and recover

Why would you need to spend a few years in the natty prison of a couple of lbs of avg muscle gain a year in years 3-5, if your training and diet and sleep are all sorted?


Edit: usually people considering roids could gain a similar or greater hotness boost from facial surgery, with fewer health risks. Consider this first

 

[Lonely]

You can’t look amazing at 15%, come on, that’s fluffy abs when flexed. No serratus, little muscle separation to the point where it’s super obvious, and your face will look fluffy and not sharp (unless you have a top-tier jawline and zygos, in which case what the fuck are you doing on here). It really is 12 or below to look ‘great’. And bear in mind, having a top 5% physique will get you zero additional results with women to just being ‘thin’/‘slim’ but dyel. It takes an outstanding physique to move the needle.


I’m saying that any 16yo who wants to hop on a cycle should wait a couple of years at least until puberty finishes, and make the first years of natty gains in the meantime.


Why would you need to spend a few years in the natty prison of a couple of lbs of avg muscle gain a year in years 3-5, if your training and diet and sleep are all sorted?

1.


2. Fair enough

3. Because you're going to keep lifting anyways for the rest of your life. Why not stay Natty?

 

[nitesik]

I see a lot of threads made by 15, 16, 17 year olds saying they wanna take steroids. You're all gonna fuck up your development for some muscles that you could've gotten naturally. If you're not in your 5th+ year of training don't even think about touching roids. Your training/ skill/ diet/ recovery will be so suboptimal you'll be wasting time, money and organ health by roiding. You won't get optimal results. It's like someone roiding whilst benching 1 plate. Like wtf lmao.

You get an amazing physique naturally. If you must take roids, wait until you finish puberty. And don't take SARMs.

the most stupid thing about this all is when 15yo kids take sarms, because they dont get results or gain weight too slow . Why the fuck cant they research this stuff and figure out that teens have too high metabolism and low muscle building ability,most guys get their peak muscle development potential closer to 20-22

 

[Lonely]

the most stupid thing about this all is when 15yo kids take sarms, because they dont get results or gain weight too slow . Why the fuck cant they research this stuff and figure out that teens have too high metabolism and low muscle building ability,most guys get their peak muscle development potential closer to 20-22

Or they can just eat more jfl

 

[nitesik]

Or they can just eat more jfl

Well its not always the case, teens just have high metabolism, and gaining mass for some of them would be hard, especially muscle mass. Most of kids just are not developed enough to build lots of muscle

 

[Africancel]

I always see this sentiment from gymgoers, even those that are roided themselves

but I don't see the logic behind it, why should someone who didn't train for years not take steroids?
Imagine someone who has been natty training for like a half a year, meaning his tendons are strong enough, his form and mind muscle connection is there, he has a solid diet - why shouldn't he roid if he wants quick progress?

like I get it that he's getting more progress natty then someone who's been training for 4 years and has hit a plateau, but with roids his progress will still be incomparable to his natty progress lol

The thing is half a year is not enough to get everything dialed in. Your mind muscle connexion and form will probably be shit till your 3rd year of training. Sleep is variable but most westerners have shit diets to negin with. It’s gonna take a long time to get everything figured out.
Unless you plan on going on a long test only cycle(not really dangerous), wait till you have at least figured out most of the stuff.
Don’t take sarms. They are too dangerous and unpredictable. They are not well studied so you are just taking useless risk.
If you are below 22y don’t touch roids. You are still developing and you can’t never know how injecting that shit will affect you during developmental years. Train natty until you are out of puberty to do it.

 

[Lonely]

Well its not always the case, teens just have high metabolism, and gaining mass for some of them would be hard, especially muscle mass. Most of kids just are not developed enough to build lots of muscle

I don't think metabolism is a thing tbh. Just eat 500-600 calories more than maintenance ez.

 

[Mongrelcel]

The thing is half a year is not enough to get everything dialed in. Your mind muscle connexion and form will probably be shit till your 3rd year of training. Sleep is variable but most westerners have shit diets to negin with. It’s gonna take a long time to get everything figured out.
Unless you plan on going on a long test only cycle(not really dangerous), wait till you have at least figured out most of the stuff.
Don’t take sarms. They are too dangerous and unpredictable. They are not well studied so you are just taking useless risk.
If you are below 22y don’t touch roids. You are still developing and you can’t never know how injecting that shit will affect you during developmental years. Train natty until you are out of puberty to do it.

my question was more playing the devils advocate tbh
I'm 22 and I don't plan on going on test, but igf1 increasing peptides

 

[Orc]

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am I supposed to think this is attractive.

 

[Africancel]

my question was more playing the devils advocate tbh
I'm 22 and I don't plan on going on test, but igf1 increasing peptides

I thing Igf1 is worse than steroids in some ways. Diabeties is a bitch(maybe because I’m black ans prone to it but shit). What’s your goal for increasing IGF1?

 

[Mongrelcel]

I thing Igf1 is worse than steroids in some ways. Diabeties is a bitch(maybe because I’m black ans prone to it but shit). What’s your goal for increasing IGF1?

permanent insulin resistance from an HGH cycle is very rare
while HGH increases the resistance, it's only temporary - and can to a good degree be mitigated by diet and cardio (or testosterone to completely mitigate this effect, but I won't be doing that)

my goal is to grow my frame

 

[Africancel]

permanent insulin resistance from an HGH cycle is very rare
while HGH increases the resistance, it's only temporary - and can to a good degree be mitigated by diet and cardio (or testosterone to completely mitigate this effect, but I won't be doing that)

my goal is to grow my frame

Oh I see. Is your frame that bad? If your growth plate haven’t fused yet you could use an AI to extend the growth phase somewhat.

 

[Mongrelcel]

Oh I see. Is your frame that bad? If your growth plate haven’t fused yet you could use an AI to extend the growth phase somewhat.

my bideltoid rn is average 20in
yeah, my plan is to use a low amount of aromasin
the amount being maybe 5mg? I'm not sure, usually around 10 to 12mg is used while on an a cycle, but I won't be taking testosterone so I need to take less to not crash my E

and I don't think my plates have fused, I don't know for sure, but the medial clavicular epiphysis doesent look to have a solid ossification center

ossification chart:

so who knows, worst case I'll just run the cycle for a few months and if I don't see any growth I'll just stop...

 

[Africancel]

my bideltoid rn is average 20in
yeah, my plan is to use a low amount of aromasin
the amount being maybe 5mg? I'm not sure, usually around 10 to 12mg is used while on an a cycle, but I won't be taking testosterone so I need to take less to not crash my E

and I don't think my plates have fused, I don't know for sure, but the medial clavicular epiphysis doesent look to have a solid ossification center

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so who knows, worst case I'll just run the cycle for a few months and if I don't see any growth I'll just stop...

yeah that’s cool. Clavicles don’t fuse until 28-30yo. I think if you can add in hercules holds then they will definitely grow. It’s the only exercise that can grow clavicle.

 

[Mongrelcel]

Clavicles don’t fuse until 28-30yo

Some studies claim they fuse around 20yo, but some still report growth until around 25yo
So I'm going to take the chance

thanks for the exercise recommendation

 

[Africancel]

Some studies claim they fuse around 20yo, but some still report growth until around 25yo
So I'm going to take the chance

thanks for the exercise recommendation

No biggies. Try wide grip pull ups and reeves deadlifts too but I have no idea how they would increase your clavicle length. Latteral raises would be better all around for increasing frame

 

[Mongrelcel]

No biggies. Try wide grip pull ups and reeves deadlifts too but I have no idea how they would increase your clavicle length. Latteral raises would be better all around for increasing frame

yeah, I plan to do all of those, I first have to finish my shoulder rehab and only after that I'll start the protocol

btw, are you the original afrikancel? A second account?

 

[Africancel]

yeah, I plan to do all of those, I first have to finish my shoulder rehab and only after that I'll start the protocol

btw, are you the original afrikancel? A second account?

Okay cool. Check out squat academy on yt. He has great vids on rehab.
No I’m not the original africancel. I just know he was a legendary user here tho

 

[Schönling]

test is shit very weak as an anabolic but can cause norwood acne and shit lol JFL at testlowiqniggers RAD 140 mogs test to the oblivion

Rad 140 rapes your hair and your liver

 

[ItsOverCel]

Rad 140 rapes your hair and your liver

if something under the name "rad 140" induced hair loss and liver enzymes elevation, it was certainly not rad 140. Legit rad 140 does not cause any hair loss and does not affect liver enzymes

 

[Deleted member 8365]

SARMs are just a weaker version of steroids with probably more side effects. Just inject Test.

Source ?

 

[Lonely]

Source ?

Source: trust me bro

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

you, in ten years’ time.

Maybe it’s the right or the wrong decision to sacrifice organ health for potential (not guaranteed by any means) causal sex opportunities. But don’t minimise the pain it will cause, major organ issues and hospital stays involve enormous suffering. These are bigger decisions than an average 18 year old (let alone younger) realises

man shut the fuck up. only roids that stress your organs are oral steroids and some exotic injectables that is barely used by anyone.

even them stress your organs for temporary and oral steroids are not used beyong 6 week, at max.

even a couple grams of test wont do shit to your organs.

 

[Lonely]

man shut the fuck up. only roids that stress your organs are oral steroids and some exotic injectables that is barely used by anyone.

even them stress your organs for temporary and oral steroids are not used beyong 6 week, at max.

even a couple grams of test wont do shit to your organs.

Test absolutely will stress ur organs long term

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

Test absolutely will stress ur organs long term

You absolutely dont know shit about hormones, stop embarrassing yourself.

Test is not hepatotoxic, it wont do shit to your organs, end of story.

 

[Lonely]

You absolutely dont know shit about hormones, stop embarrassing yourself.

Test is not hepatotoxic, it wont do shit to your organs, end of story.

Multi-organ damage induced by anabolic steroid supplements: a case report and literature review - Journal of Medical Case Reports

Introduction The use of anabolic supplements and other related drugs for body building and to enhance athletic performance is nowadays widespread and acutely pervasive all around the world. This alarming increase in the use of anabolic and amino acid supplements has been linked to a diverse...

jmedicalcasereports.biomedcentral.com

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021925820676700

Stop the cope lmao

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

Multi-organ damage induced by anabolic steroid supplements: a case report and literature review - Journal of Medical Case Reports

Introduction The use of anabolic supplements and other related drugs for body building and to enhance athletic performance is nowadays widespread and acutely pervasive all around the world. This alarming increase in the use of anabolic and amino acid supplements has been linked to a diverse...

jmedicalcasereports.biomedcentral.com

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0021925820676700

Stop the cope lmao

fucking dumb curry learn how to read.

The most likely cause of the patient's systemic and metabolic disturbances is hypercalcemia.

 

[Lonely]

fucking dumb curry learn how to read.

Read the whole thing retard in the first one they list other possible causes too

The second one didn't even have any underlying issues

 

[Tallooksmaxxer]

Read the whole thing retard in the first one they list other possible causes too

Okay so you accepted you are wrong.

The second one didn't even have any underlying issues

the subject was a fucking mice oh god, fucking retard.

 

[Lonely]

Okay so you accepted you are wrong.

the subject was a fucking mice oh god, fucking retard.

It still applies to humans retard

 

[Verse]

I see a lot of threads made by 15, 16, 17 year olds saying they wanna take steroids. You're all gonna fuck up your development for some muscles that you could've gotten naturally. If you're not in your 5th+ year of training don't even think about touching roids. Your training/ skill/ diet/ recovery will be so suboptimal you'll be wasting time, money and organ health by roiding. You won't get optimal results. It's like someone roiding whilst benching 1 plate. Like wtf lmao.

You get an amazing physique naturally. If you must take roids, wait until you finish puberty. And don't take SARMs.

tell them this BS and they won't listen, tell them it will give them ogre face and stunt height, also telling them that muscle is cope and they wouldn't even think about taking it JFL

 

[Rate_My_Face]

You think orals are a good alternative to injectables if you don't wanna risk infections and are just afraid of needles?

whos in your profile picture?

 

[Deleted member 22126]

Keep coping with natty lifting while i inject at 18 to ascend like loox

 

[Tobi]

Keep coping with natty lifting while i inject at 18 to ascend like loox

This is it. Literally everyone looks better gymmaxxing. Plus everyone should take gear after first month of lifting. Just to learn basics and form.

If your in puberty and know about gear and this forum, what the fuck is wrong with you. Inject asap and ascend like loox. He's always watching these threads

 

[Skywalker]

NEVER take steroimds....you WILL die on the spot, as my friend did when i injected him, no homo