(POLL) Pagnoni vs. Safi

[Deleted member 19766]

WHO IS BETTER AND WHY?

 

[schizo echochamber]

No pics to compare fuck you no poll 4 you

 

[Deleted member 16501]

Who is Safi?

 

[Deleted member 31155]

Who is Safi?

a guy praised on .org because he performs lefort 3 and obo

 

[longjohnmong]

I find it funny how the two most popular surgeons have almost no published results.

 

[Deleted member 32196]

both mogg

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Neither, both Jews

 

[Pakicel]

Paganini seems better. Saw a few bad result safi.

Honestly, I’d got to Ramieri for bimax and then Paganoni for implants.

 

[Mr Test]

Saw a few bad result safi.

Can you pls post or dm?

 

[Pakicel]

Can you pls post or dm?

I didn’t like anticel’s result. There is one @longjohnmong shared with me that looked weird.

 

[Mr Test]

I didn’t like anticel’s result. There is one @longjohnmong shared with me that looked weird.

Agreed. Anticels results looks like it was 90% from genio. @longjohnmong can you pls dm me the other result too?

 

[PlagiocephalyTypeIV]

Paganini seems better. Saw a few bad result safi.

Honestly, I’d got to Ramieri for bimax and then Paganoni for implants.

What bad results

 

[Pakicel]

What bad results

Anticel and some other guy I saw in PMs.

 

[Deleted member 38639]

a guy praised on .org because he performs lefort 3 and obo

He only does this on syndromic patients. However, he is quite aggressive with his movements (in a good way) and offers custom PEEK implants (saddled infras/paranasal/jaw). The designer is not on the same level as Giant, tho

 

[PlagiocephalyTypeIV]

Anticel and some other guy I saw in PMs.

I know what example you mean. It was a bit uncanny but he still went from MTN to chad. Uncanny chad but still chad

 

[Deleted member 38639]

I didn’t like anticel’s result. There is one @longjohnmong shared with me that looked weird.

What didn't you like about anticel's result? I thought the side profile looked pretty good, but curious to know your thoughts since I'm doing surgery with him. I'm also having Giant take a look at my case, too.

 

[Pakicel]

What didn't you like about anticel's result? I thought the side profile looked pretty good, but curious to know your thoughts since I'm doing surgery with him. I'm also having Giant take a look at my case, too.

Dogmaxxed. Chin and maxilla have been overadvanced. Cheekbones looked too big and uncanny to me as well.

He prolly looks like handsome squidward IRL. You shouldn't judge surgery results on the basis of how it looks in picture but what you think it would look IRL in motion from different angles in natural light.

 

[Deleted member 38639]

Dogmaxxed. Chin and maxilla have been overadvanced. Cheekbones looked too big and uncanny to me as well.

He prolly looks like handsome squidward IRL. You shouldn't judge surgery results on the basis of how it looks in picture but what you think it would look IRL in motion from different angles in natural light.

I lowkey agree with you. Anticel did look a bit dogmaxxed in the photos. Hopefully I can avoid some dogmaxxing with Giant on my case. Here are my proposed movements if you're curious (subject to change, of course)

 

[PlagiocephalyTypeIV]

I lowkey agree with you. Anticel did look a bit dogmaxxed in the photos. Hopefully I can avoid some dogmaxxing with Giant on my case. Here are my proposed movements if you're curious (subject to change, of course)

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Literally trying the same with Giant. Also consulting with Pagnoni to have a lot of perspectives. I think safi is very skilled but he likes to dogmaxx. The plan for me is 7mm BSSO and 3mm genio and I look dogmaxxed Asf in the simulation. Problem is my airway is narrow asf so I need some kind of advancement.

 

[Deleted member 29581]

Dogmaxxed. Chin and maxilla have been overadvanced. Cheekbones looked too big and uncanny to me as well.

He prolly looks like handsome squidward IRL. You shouldn't judge surgery results on the basis of how it looks in picture but what you think it would look IRL in motion from different angles in natural light.

Is there a link?

 

[Pakicel]

I lowkey agree with you. Anticel did look a bit dogmaxxed in the photos. Hopefully I can avoid some dogmaxxing with Giant on my case. Here are my proposed movements if you're curious (subject to change, of course)

View attachment 2488778

The BSSO and Genio seems like a lot tbh. How recessed are you?

 

[Pakicel]

Is there a link?

my INSANE bimax result

13° Rotation, nearly 30mm advancement of the Mandible (Bimax+Genio). Some minor mid face enhancements were also done. Paid 35k. Pre-Surgical simulation which mirrors my result 1:1: I was the perfect candidate for this surgery since I am just downgrown but otherwise have good proportions. In...

looksmax.org

 

[Pakicel]

Literally trying the same with Giant. Also consulting with Pagnoni to have a lot of perspectives. I think safi is very skilled but he likes to dogmaxx. The plan for me is 7mm BSSO and 3mm genio and I look dogmaxxed Asf in the simulation. Problem is my airway is narrow asf so I need some kind of advancement.

Do you have plagiocephaly?

 

[PlagiocephalyTypeIV]

Do you have plagiocephaly?

Yeah like Bradley cooper or Ryan gosling

 

[Deleted member 38639]

The BSSO and Genio seems like a lot tbh. How recessed are you?

Definitely recessed, but doesn't look nearly as bad in person/motion (especially w/ proper tongue posture as it tightens hyoid) as in ceph. Ramieri suggested an 11mm BSSO and 3mm genio + 2-3mm maxilla

 

[aestheticmax]

Can anyone post a male bimax result from Pagnoni I can't find anything apart from the botched guy from this forum?

 

[Moldovancel]

I've heard Safi is basically Sailer-level but cheaper (for now)

 

[PlagiocephalyTypeIV]

Can anyone post a male bimax result from Pagnoni I can't find anything apart from the botched guy from this forum?

2.5 Weeks Post DJS and Genio

So on the 22nd I underwent DJS + genio in Rome with Dr. Pagnoni, I had a rhino/chin implant in 2007 and could tell the implant was starting to recede into the bone plus I have always had sleep apnea and breathing issues. He moved my maxilla 4mm, mandible 5mm, 3mm mandible widening at ramus, did...

looksmax.org

 

[Deleted member 38639]

I've heard Safi is basically Sailer-level but cheaper (for now)

pretty much

 

[Deleted member 19766]

Paganini seems better. Saw a few bad result safi.

Honestly, I’d got to Ramieri for bimax and then Paganoni for implants.

pagnoni has botched too though, look at this thread

Failed bimax by Italian surgeon

Hello everyone, I did a bimaxillary about 6 months ago by a surgeon in Rome about which you can not find a lot of info on the internet, indeed there is no ... well it was a complete failure I was slightly retruded and I still am , maybe it also created some more problems .. I will answer...

looksmax.org

Yes, OP is stupid, but still, got botched

 

[Deleted member 38639]

pagnoni has botched too though, look at this thread

Failed bimax by Italian surgeon

Hello everyone, I did a bimaxillary about 6 months ago by a surgeon in Rome about which you can not find a lot of info on the internet, indeed there is no ... well it was a complete failure I was slightly retruded and I still am , maybe it also created some more problems .. I will answer...

looksmax.org

Yes, OP is stupid, but still, got botched

He didn't post any evidence, tho. Makes me think he's just schizo jfl

 

[Deleted member 19766]

He didn't post any evidence, tho. Makes me think he's just schizo jfl

He did nigga

 

[Deleted member 29167]

for bimax? safi probably but i'd have to see more results, i dont really trust pagnoni for creating good movements

in terms of implants pagnoni seems really solid

 

[Deleted member 19766]

for bimax? safi probably but i'd have to see more results, i dont really trust pagnoni for creating good movements

in terms of implants pagnoni seems really solid

Why TF everyone say Pagnoni ain't as good for movements, seems like a psy op

 

[Deleted member 38639]

He did nigga

oh shit. Need to re-read the thread then. I stopped reading halfway through the thread jfl

 

[hansmoleman]

Funny how the top surgeons for bimax discussed on .org have nothing to do with the top surgeons discussed on legit places lol

 

[bradpittshairline]

Funny how the top surgeons for bimax discussed on .org have nothing to do with the top surgeons discussed on legit places lol

in legit places people use insurance so they usually discuss US surgeons but most people here arent receesed enough to qualify for insurance coverage so they look for European counterparts

 

[hansmoleman]

in legit places people use insurance so they usually discuss US surgeons but most people here arent receesed enough to qualify for insurance coverage so they look for European counterparts

Fair enough. I’m also consulting with Safi myself so, yeah, it is what it is.

 

[bradpittshairline]

Fair enough. I’m also consulting with Safi myself so, yeah, it is what it is.

do u know how to create morphs

 

[hansmoleman]

do u know how to create morphs

No

 

[Deleted member 19766]

Funny how the top surgeons for bimax discussed on .org have nothing to do with the top surgeons discussed on legit places lol

bluepilled v blackpilled

 

[Deleted member 21048]

Why TF everyone say Pagnoni ain't as good for movements, seems like a psy op

This whole place is a backdoored psyop plus all these 12-15 year olds here are just retarded new redpilled normies from tiktok. Im 6’3 14 is it over? Stfu zoomfaggot

I only check this place because of surgery results specifically from the surgeons you mentioned above or maybe giantimplant patients. But nobody does shit, so its kinda pointless

 

[kati]

This whole place is a backdoored psyop plus all these 12-15 year olds here are just retarded new redpilled normies from tiktok. Im 6’3 14 is it over? Stfu zoomfaggot

I only check this place because of surgery results specifically from the surgeons you mentioned above or maybe giantimplant patients. But nobody does shit, so its kinda pointless

Couldn't be more true

 

[mlffff]

Stay away from Safi at all costs.

He is a master manipulator who is amazing at gaining your trust during the consultation. He will make you feel relaxed as if your in good hands but will ruin you on the operating table. He invests all his energy into convincing people to get surgery with him and preys on the naive. He will leave you with a poor aesthetic result and severe nerve damage. I have seen it first hand.

He messed up my friend badly. Safi left him with a terrible aesthetic result and a numb tongue. He now speaks with a lisp and can't taste anymore. My friend looks way worse than before surgery and hasn't left the house since. His social life has been ruined as his career. Safi also didn't want to release the surgical report or the post operative cbct scan. He was forced to after a lawyers intervention.

Two of Safis patients also reached out complaining about a terrible aesthetic result and nerve damage.

I suggest these three surgeons:

- For jaw surgery alone: Raffaini.
Raffaini is the #1 for jaw surgery in the world. He will analyse your case like no other surgeon. He also has the skill to influence your soft tissue which will leave you with the best aesthetic result. Raffaini is #1 no doubt.

- For jaw surgery combined with implants or implants alone, I suggest Pagnoni.
You don't need Giant Implants, Pagnoni himself is a great implant designer.

I suggest consulting with Raffaini. Pay the 500 Euros for the consult. Get the plan with the movements from Raffaini then go to Pagnoni and request those movements if you want to combine the jaw surgery with implants.

Ramieri is a safe middle ground option as well.

Whatever you do, stay away from Ali-Farid Safi.

Safi has ruined my friend. He drilled into his lingual nerves during the bimax which caused the numb tongue. This has been proven with a 3 tesla MRI scan.
Safis little implant company FaceXImplants is a scam. It's his own company and he has his brother in law as the implant designer who has no experience whatsoever.

Safi preys on the naive.
He can spot a naive person from the first second you open your mouth and then only sees dollar signs.
I've heard too many horror stories about Safi, from his patients to people who have worked for him. I've spoken to several Swiss surgeons who have had to fix his failed bimaxes.
Stay away from this scam artist surgeon whatever you do.

You have Raffaini, Pagnoni, Ramieri.
These three surgeons will give you an amazing aesthetic result... Look no further

 

[+RCisAspie]

He only does this on syndromic patients. However, he is quite aggressive with his movements (in a good way) and offers custom PEEK implants (saddled infras/paranasal/jaw). The designer is not on the same level as Giant, tho

Why’d you say he botches might go to him if I can’t go to giant