PRAYING IS LEGIT

[eology]

There are infinite number of universes. It seems fine tuned for us because we are here to observe it. + even if fine tuning was real it wouldn’t prove the existence of a personal god who wants a relationship with us.

heres the thing
without fining tuning theres no reality
without God theres no humanity

 

[eology]

Well then why do you believe anything if you don’t believe people that have extensive knowledge on what they are talking about

God know what he does to these people, i couldnt care less

 

[eology]

yeah, but do historians also believe his crucifixion or ascension into heaven? also, him appearing to his disciples after his crucifixion?
they don't confirm or deny that, because they follow a secular historical critical method.

science follows the money for most of the time
you have to study primary sources for yourself
if you rely on second hand study material youll never achieve the truth

 

[eology]

theres no such thing as relationship for non believers
the concept of a soulmate requires God to act upon your fate, only that way youll gravitate towards her

basically all that it lasts is pure physical sexual appeal

 

[ICXCLuvr]

heres the thing
without fining tuning theres no reality
without God theres no humanity

Reality CAN exist without fine tuning as I just said there are an infinite amount of universes. One is filled with meaningless chaos. This one seems like it has meaning because it’s “fine tuned” for us.

 

[mitzimiau]

Well then why do you believe anything if you don’t believe people that have extensive knowledge on what they are talking about

because i decided to believe other people who also have alot of extensive knowledge

 

[muslim.]

science follows the money for most of the time
you have to study primary sources for yourself
if you rely on second hand study material youll never achieve the truth

gospels aren't even eyewitness accounts and they are unreliable too (e.g. contradictory accounts of things like who was at the tomb of jesus )+ 2 of the gospel authors (mark and luke) weren't even jesus' disciples.
no one is denying jesus' existence (flavius josephus, tacitus, etc)
you can't use that argument for a proof of christianity, cuz you can posit why historians don't believe in jesus' resurrection and ascension too (using that logic)

 

[eology]

Low IQ, this High IQ that it's all subjective.

A religious belief is not dependent on IQ.

ofc theres people that were made to be mathematicians and other made to build houses
but either of them can achieve the same conclusion through a more simple/complex process varying on it

 

[eology]

Reality CAN exist without fine tuning as I just said there are an infinite amount of universes. One is filled with meaningless chaos. This one seems like it has meaning because it’s “fine tuned” for us.

impossible if you knew how repetitive is the cog between moving matter

 

[looksmaxloser]

yeah, but do historians also believe his crucifixion or ascension into heaven? also, him appearing to his disciples after his crucifixion?
they don't confirm or deny that, because they follow a secular historical critical method.

A few other things the gospels Matthew, mark, Luke, and John were written over 20 years after Christ was crucified and have the same story. The tomb was empty many different people have their own beliefs on why the tomb was empty. Jewish people think the disciples stole his body. Christian’s believe he rose up from the dead but they all have one story that Jesus Christ is God. That he came down in human form then died for our sins so that we could join him in heaven

 

[mitzimiau]

impossible if you knew how repetitive is the cog between moving matter

u think its impossible however if the universe was infinite even the smallest possibilites and probabilities would happen
which just like here, it was life.

 

[eology]

Everyday pray to God
its like a phone call, but to your Father in Heaven
tell him about your agony, ask him to make people around you easier to deal with, ask him for protection
tell him about your goals, ask him to make your path easier, ask him questions -> he always answers with signs
ask him for wisdom, hes the one behind your knowledge and realizations, your epiphanies
he always gives more than you ask for and way more that you deserve

but fear Him above all else,
if you act in wickedness stand ready for your punishment, its matter of time until it arrives

 

[looksmaxloser]

because i decided to believe other people who also have alot of extensive knowledge

Why do you choose to follow one instead of the other?

 

[ICXCLuvr]

impossible if you knew how repetitive is the cog between moving matter

I wouldn’t even argue that the universe is fine tuned for us to begin with. We adapted to fit the universe not the other way around. A process that took over billions of years. 99% of all species have went extinct through the process of evolution which doesn’t seem like what a loving god would do ins was of just putting us all on here at once
Unless you also reject evolution, in that case no point in continuing this.

 

[eology]

u think its impossible however if the universe was infinite even the smallest possibilites and probabilities would happen
which just like here, it was life.

thats a theorem of probability theory, monkey writes too much on a time machine sometime will come shakespeare

the thing is there is a physical and metaphysical realities
the universe is a intersection of them
the patterns in nature are a result of perfection

some things just wouldnt happen for small details in the laws of physics, your point only says it infinitely increases the chances of building a universe from randomness but the basis for the develop requires a orderly structure to begin

 

[muslim.]

A few other things the gospels Matthew, mark, Luke, and John were written over 20 years after Christ was crucified and have the same story. The tomb was empty many different people have their own beliefs on why the tomb was empty. Jewish people think the disciples stole his body. Christian’s believe he rose up from the dead but they all have one story that Jesus Christ is God. That he came down in human form then died for our sins so that we could join him in heaven

this isn't true bro + the gospel accounts of what happened to jesus and the tomb directly contradict (like who was there)
plus, to say the gospels were written 20 years after jesus' death is NOT correct.
in reality it is like:

mark: written first around 65-70ad (often linked to the destruction of the Second Temple or the turbulent period of the First Jewish-Roman War).

matthew: written around 80-90 ad drawing significantly on the text of mark and a hypothetical sayings source called Q

luke: written around 80-90 ad (or up to mid-90s) while utilizing Mark and shared oral/written traditions

john: written last, generally dated between 90-100ad with a distinct theological structure different to the Synoptic gospels (like jesus potentially have supernatural qualities different to synoptics)

also, most historians argue that the authors of the gospels are likely anonymous too (instead of being genuinely written by mark, matthew, luke and john).
so, we don't even know who wrote the gospels.

 

[Bitterness]

Mirin the faith, i hope to find god soon

 

[eology]

I wouldn’t even argue that the universe is fine tuned for us to begin with. We adapted to fit the universe not the other way around. A process that took over billions of years. 99% of all species have went extinct through the process of evolution which doesn’t seem like what a loving god would do ins was of just putting us all on here at once
Unless you also reject evolution, in that case no point in continuing this.

evolution still follows parameters
oral religious tradition doesnt reject biology but complements

 

[eology]

Mirin the faith, i hope to find god soon

you dont need faith when God shows signs in fate

 

[ICXCLuvr]

evolution still follows parameters
oral religious tradition doesnt reject biology but complements

My point is that it’s a long somewhat cruel process for a loving god to commit. Especially when he could’ve just done an alternative. And again it’s not fine tuned for life, that’s why 99% of all species died.

 

[eology]

evolution still follows parameters
oral religious tradition doesnt reject biology but complements

nature is so well done it could last forever if it wasnt for outer planetary influence

 

[eology]

My point is that it’s a long somewhat cruel process for a loving god to commit. Especially when he could’ve just done an alternative. And again it’s not fine tuned for life, that’s why 99% of all species died.

theres metaphysical explanations for why animals suffer
also God doesnt feel emotions he just act based on righteousness

 

[eology]

theres metaphysical explanations for why animals suffer
also God doesnt feel emotions he just act based on righteousness

also theres metaphysical reasons why some races/nations are more prone to religion and other traits

 

[looksmaxloser]

this isn't true bro + the gospel accounts of what happened to jesus and the tomb directly contradict (like who was there)
plus, to say the gospels were written 20 years after jesus' death is NOT correct.
in reality it is like:

mark: written first around 65-70ad (often linked to the destruction of the Second Temple or the turbulent period of the First Jewish-Roman War).

matthew: written around 80-90 ad drawing significantly on the text of mark and a hypothetical sayings source called Q

luke: written around 80-90 ad (or up to mid-90s) while utilizing Mark and shared oral/written traditions

john: written last, generally dated between 90-100ad with a distinct theological structure different to the Synoptic gospels (like jesus potentially have supernatural qualities different to synoptics)

also, most historians argue that the authors of the gospels are likely anonymous too (instead of being genuinely written by mark, matthew, luke and john).
so, we don't even know who wrote the gospels.

they were written later than 20 years I do admit to being wrong and for that I am sorry. The gospels being written far after is more towards my argument actually. The biggest reason I know that they were written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are church history from Papias of Hierapolis saying mark and Matthew were written by the people that they say wrote it.

 

[muslim.]

they were written later than 20 years I do admit to being wrong and for that I am sorry. The gospels being written far after is more towards my argument actually. The biggest reason I know that they were written by Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John are church history from Papias of Hierapolis saying mark and Matthew were written by the people that they say wrote it.

you're acting like we have full extant works of papias. this isn't true bro
we only have fragments of papias' work from eusebius who came 200+ years after papias btw in historia ecclesiastica

also, papias says that the original gospel of matthew was in hebrew and was a sayings gospel (oracle) even though today it is a synoptic gospel (narrative of jesus' ministry)

the irony of this, is that the the gospel of matthew that we have today was originally written in koine greek lol
the even worse thing, is that
jesus spoke aramaic, the gospel of matthew was originally (probably) written in hebrew. earliest manuscripts of matthew are in koine greek, which were 200 plus years after jesus
the bible is corrupted, the quran isn't

 

[looksmaxloser]

Saying that Papias’s stuff is missing doesn’t mean that much, we don’t have the full works from Abraham Lincoln. Sometimes stuff is just lost because everyone will loose something at some point. I would also like where you got Matthew was written in Koine Greek because almost everyone believes it was written in Hebrew or Aramaic. The language it was written also doesn’t mean that much. The gospels are about the story of Jesus Christ.

 

[yushmaxx]

Everyday pray to God
its like a phone call, but to your Father in Heaven
tell him about your agony, ask him to make people around you easier to deal with, ask him for protection
tell him about your goals, ask him to make your path easier, ask him questions -> he always answers with signs
ask him for wisdom, hes the one behind your knowledge and realizations, your epiphanies
he always gives more than you ask for and way more that you deserve

but fear Him above all else,
if you act in wickedness stand ready for your punishment, its matter of time until it arrives

low iq activities

 

[eology]

low iq activities

said who

 

[ICXCLuvr]

also God doesnt feel emotions he just act based on righteousness

He is described to have wrath in the Bible + Jesus “wept” but I know u mean the father whatever

 

[eology]

He is described to have wrath in the Bible + Jesus “wept” but I know u mean the father whatever

wrath just manifests in his actions but He feels nothing unlike us in our lack of wisdom and power

 

[yushmaxx]

could be paying for the mistakes of your parents

this is definitionally unfair

one question, what flavor of christian are you, the turbo retarded ones who think “god created heavens and the earth in 7 days” is truth, or the kind that thinks its just a metaphor?

 

[yushmaxx]

God rewards you or He punishes you. Dont act stupid.

God is punishing the millions who died from smallpox? Kids with cancer?

 

[eology]

this is definitionally unfair

one question, what flavor of christian, the turbo retarded ones who take “god created heavens and the earth in 7 days” as truth, or just a metaphor?

its never this surface level
you have to be engaged in erudition to really grasp

 

[eology]

God is punishing the millions who died from smallpox? Kids with cancer?

yes, its a punishment

 

[yushmaxx]

Low IQ, this High IQ that it's all subjective.

A religious belief is not dependent on IQ.

Extremely obvious patterns.

 

[yushmaxx]

its never this surface level
you have to be engaged in erudition to really grasp

If my father kills a man, why should I be punished for it. Explain.

 

[yushmaxx]

yes, its a punishment

What sin has the child with cancer committed?

 

[fm30366]

atheism is low iq and signs that you dont understand patterns and that youre a bad person so God doesnt even bother to show you his ways

Jfl

 

[eology]

If my father kills a man, why should I be punished for it. Explain.

it is that direct
God always takes fair judgement

 

[yushmaxx]

it is that direct
God always takes fair judgement

Like I said, why should I be punished?

 

[eology]

Like I said, why should I be punished?

im not you to know
everything has a answer, even if not clear at the time

 

[yushmaxx]

im not you to know
everything has a answer, even if not clear at the time

Ecology, was the world created in 7 days by god?

 

[muslim.]

Saying that Papias’s stuff is missing doesn’t mean that much, we don’t have the full works from Abraham Lincoln. Sometimes stuff is just lost because everyone will loose something at some point. I would also like where you got Matthew was written in Koine Greek because almost everyone believes it was written in Hebrew or Aramaic. The language it was written also doesn’t mean that much. The gospels are about the story of Jesus Christ.

false equivalence buddy. lincoln's biographical details are well-recorded compared to jesus christ. we mostly know about the sources of his life and who wrote them and when. with jesus and the gospels, this isn't the case.
wtf do you mean that papias' texts being lost that it doesn't matter. it does, because how can you trust what he is saying?
dude, oldest manuscripts of matthew were written in koine greek - papyrus 37, oldest manuscript was written in greek.

 

[looksmaxloser]

false equivalence buddy. lincoln's biographical details are well-recorded compared to jesus christ. we mostly know about the sources of his life and who wrote them and when. with jesus and the gospels, this isn't the case.
wtf do you mean that papias' texts being lost that it doesn't matter. it does, because how can you trust what he is saying?
dude, oldest manuscripts of matthew were written in koine greek - papyrus 37, oldest manuscript was written in greek.

The main reason we don’t know that much about Jesus’s life is because you couldn’t become a rabbi (teacher) until you were 30. Abraham Lincoln isn’t the best example because it was much further into the future so again my fault bad example. The reason I say it doesn’t matter that much is because the stuff that does survive is written down. The writings are truthful so why wouldn’t the other stuff be if he cared so much about the writings. My view is he cared so much about the gospels is he wouldn’t write anything deliberately wrong.

 

[Hernan]

God is punishing the millions who died from smallpox? Kids with cancer?

I’ve got no idea. But if you did something bad and got negative feedback it was God. That’s what I do know and what is relevant in this conversation.

 

[israelitrafficker]

if you only knew how legit it is
but its a long story
too much hours studying natural and exact sciences
too much time reading the Scriptures
people nowadays dont have that composure to spend all their day studying for no direct reward

I was ultra religious too. Waste of 5 years of my life.