Proof Jesus is God and Destroying the Muslim arguments with Their False Prophet (come get some)

[King Solomon]

> written by "king solomon"
> who was muslim

also you do realise even if you gave sufficient evidence of jesus claiming he is God, its still from your book which Muslims believe was corrupted by humans therefore you proved nothing

I've already thoroughly destroyed this argument in this thread.

1.) The Quaran confirms the OT and NT of the Israelites bible is the true word of GOD.
2.) The bible cannot be corrupted according to the Quaran.
3.) Therefore according to the Quaran since the bible is true then the Quaran must be false.
4.) King Solomon was an Israelite and the Islamic faith( which is a bastardized version of Judaism which is a bastardized version of the Israelites religion) didn't exist until 1,500 years after his death. No Jesus was not a Muslim as that ignorant claim has been debunked and is quite possibly just a troll attempt by the Muslims.

I gave references to these facts in this thread.

 

[King Solomon]

I've always wanted to ask you, why is your nickname King Solomon

Because I thirst for Wisdom to help my people and to learn from the mistakes of Solomon.

 

[shia.jihadist]

I've already thoroughly destroyed this argument in this thread.

1.) The Quaran confirms the OT and NT of the Israelites bible is the true word of GOD.
2.) The bible cannot be corrupted according to the Quaran.
3.) Therefore according to the Quaran since the bible is true then the Quaran must be false.
4.) King Solomon was an Israelite and the Islamic faith( which is a bastardized version of Judaism which is a bastardized version of the Israelites religion) didn't exist until 1,500 years after his death. No Jesus was not a Muslim as that ignorant claim has been debunked and is quite possibly just a troll attempt by the Muslims.

I gave references to these facts in this thread.

1. Wrong
2. Wrong
3. It says the original gospel is the word of God not the bullshit you have today.
4. He believed in one God and received revelation from Allah.

 

[actual9cmjawslayer]

Christianity began as sun worship, the stories about Jesus are symbolic. He is just a personification of the sun, made into a god figure later on.

The sun "dies" for 3 days on December 22nd, the winter solstice, when it stops its movement south, to be born again or resurrected on December 25th, when it resumes its movement north.

In some areas, the calendar originally began in the constellation of Virgo, and the sun would therefore be "born of a Virgin"

The sun rising in the morning is "the saviour of mankind"

The sun is "The light of the World"

The sun "walks on water" is just the reflection of the sun on water/the sea.

"He cometh on clouds, and every eye shall see him", is just sun rays.

Jesus' "crown of thorns" is just the sun's glare, also know as a halo.

The sun's "followers", "helpers" or "disciples" are the 12 months and the 12 signs of the zodiac or constellations, through which the sun must pass.

The sun at 12 noon is in the house or temple of the "Most High": thus.."he" begins "his Father's work" at "age" 12.

The sun enters into each sign of the zodiac at 30 degrees, hense, the "Sun of God" begins his ministry at "age" 30.

The sun is hung on a cross or "crucified", which represents its passing through the equinoxes.The vernal equinox being Easter, at which time it is then resurrected.

Hell is just symbolic for nighttime - when the rapes, especially those of children, abductions and all crimes generally occurred. There was no dna testing, cameras, ring doorbells, locks. This is why god doesn't get rid of satan - because god is just daytime and satan night. This is why modesty is so strongly emphasized in religion.

Circumcision was simply used as a way to quell male sexual lust, which has roots as far back as 10,000 years ago to minorly sexually castrate slaves. No, its not god making you mutilate your newborn son so that he has permanent brain trauma that can be picked up on mri, or to increase his risk of erectile dysfunction by 10 fold, or cause some boys to bleed out because their blood can't clot.

 

[i_love_roosters]

I did not read any of that, but Jesus can't be a god. He was a human being like us all, he peed, pooped, cummed etc wouldn't it disgust u that "God" can do these sh

Cope

 

[King Solomon]

1. Wrong
2. Wrong
3. It says the original gospel is the word of God not the bullshit you have today.
4. He believed in one God and received revelation from Allah.

Great rebuttal, I listed the references from the Quran on here that prove #1 and 2 correct and that's irrefutable evidence.
#3 no I provided the statement where Allah says the Word of GOD cannot be changed/corrupted. If you don't believe that then you don't believe in the Quran.
Agreed one God. Surely you can do better than this.

 

[shia.jihadist]

Great rebuttal, I listed the references from the Quran on here that prove #1 and 2 correct and that's irrefutable evidence.
#3 no I provided the statement where Allah says the Word of GOD cannot be changed/corrupted. If you don't believe that then you don't believe in the Quran.
Agreed one God. Surely you can do better than this.

#1, 2 which post on this thread?
#3 Yeah and? The modern bible is nowhere close to the word of God.
#4 That is Islam. One God with no partners, no trinity. Obviously he couldn't believe in Prophet Muhammad as a messenger as he had not come to the Earth yet. What else is there that makes him not Muslim.

 

[King Solomon]

#1, 2 which post on this thread?
#3 Yeah and? The modern bible is nowhere close to the word of God.
#4 That is Islam. One God with no partners, no trinity. Obviously he couldn't believe in Prophet Muhammad as a messenger as he had not come to the Earth yet. What else is there that makes him not Muslim.

Yes I have 1, and 2 with references that state the Quaran references to the OT and NT (gospel of Jesus) as the word of GOD and that the word of God cannot be changed. The bible (Septuagint and Codex which are translations from the original Hebrew manuscripts) of the time of Mohommed around 7th Century AD. Therefore if we still have access to the Codex and Septuagint that existed during the time of Mohommed which he clearly stated is to be accepted as the word of God then we do still have access to the word of GOD to this very day.

Christianity is monotheism. Trinity is simply the same as you having a body, soul and spirit one in three it's that simple. Mohommed was never prophesied in the bible. He never performed any miracles and had 0 prophecies come to fruition. Not only that according to the manuscripts he didn't have a vision of angel Gabriel but he was fooled by a Demon which means all of Islam is based off a demonic entity and leads everyone who follows it straight to hell.

In the end Mohommed bastardized the Judaism religion which is a bastardized version of Christianity. It's an archaic satanic death cult that used war and death to spread and conquer.

Therefore since the Quran says the bible of Mouhammad's time is true which is the same bible of our time and that the qord of God cannot be corrupted then Islam is false and none of the Israelites are Muslim and the Muslims of today are practicing an archaic demonic death cult practice that leads them straight to hell as confirmed by thousands of Muslims that have had OBE's and NDE's as they all went to hell and became Christian after seeing Jesus. NOBODY ever has an OBE/NDE and becomes Muslim. I've seen hundreds of these testimonies of the life long Muslims that qould never ever consider converting to christianity if it qeren't for their near death experiences. This is because they're so brainqashed by this death cult and afraid of losing their life, family and friends. After receiving the truth they lose that fear because their salvation is at hand.

Let me know when you're ready to become baptized. The truth has been given to you and the truth shall set you free. NO more excuses

 

[shia.jihadist]

Yes I have 1, and 2 with references that state the Quaran references to the OT and NT (gospel of Jesus) as the word of GOD and that the word of God cannot be changed. The bible (Septuagint and Codex which are translations from the original Hebrew manuscripts) of the time of Mohommed around 7th Century AD. Therefore if we still have access to the Codex and Septuagint that existed during the time of Mohommed which he clearly stated is to be accepted as the word of God then we do still have access to the word of GOD to this very day.

Christianity is monotheism. Trinity is simply the same as you having a body, soul and spirit one in three it's that simple. Mohommed was never prophesied in the bible. He never performed any miracles and had 0 prophecies come to fruition. Not only that according to the manuscripts he didn't have a vision of angel Gabriel but he was fooled by a Demon which means all of Islam is based off a demonic entity and leads everyone who follows it straight to hell.

In the end Mohommed bastardized the Judaism religion which is a bastardized version of Christianity. It's an archaic satanic death cult that used war and death to spread and conquer.

Therefore since the Quran says the bible of Mouhammad's time is true which is the same bible of our time and that the qord of God cannot be corrupted then Islam is false and none of the Israelites are Muslim and the Muslims of today are practicing an archaic demonic death cult practice that leads them straight to hell as confirmed by thousands of Muslims that have had OBE's and NDE's as they all went to hell and became Christian after seeing Jesus. NOBODY ever has an OBE/NDE and becomes Muslim. I've seen hundreds of these testimonies of the life long Muslims that qould never ever consider converting to christianity if it qeren't for their near death experiences. This is because they're so brainqashed by this death cult and afraid of losing their life, family and friends. After receiving the truth they lose that fear because their salvation is at hand.

Let me know when you're ready to become baptized. The truth has been given to you and the truth shall set you free. NO more excuses

The Quran does not say the Bible at be the time of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him and his progeny) was the word of God.

Also what you're saying about bastardized religions; The Muslim belief is that Judaism and Christianity were religions sent by Allah for specific communities, which corrupted them. Therefore Allah sent a final religion for all of mankind. So obviously all the stories and most of the tenants are going to be the same since it's the same God sending the prophets and the religions.

God has sent the final testament. The ultimate truth has come to you. Believe or suffer for eternity.

 

[isso]

Jesus is indeed God.

 

[King Solomon]

Jesus is indeed God.

Yes, he clearly states this many times yet people do not understand for some reason.

 

[mellozz246]

Yes, he clearly states this many times yet people do not understand for some reason.

but bhai what is Deuteronomy 18:15 talking about, who is the prophet?

 

[Org3cel ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ]

Biblical proofs Jesus is GOD:

Isaiah 7:14 John 1:1-14 Isaiah 9:5-6 John 1:18 John 2:25 Isaiah 35:4 John 3:35-36 Isaiah 43:10-11 John 5:17-30 Isaiah 446 John 5:46-47 Luke 2:11 John 6:35 Luke 5:20 John 6:64-65 Luke 18:19 John 8:12 Luke 24:51-52 John 8:18-19 Luke 8:39 John 8:24 Micah 5:1 John 8:28-29 Revelation 1:17 John 8:58 Matthew 1:22-23 John 9:38 Matthew 2:11 John 10:7-9 Matthew 4:6-7 John 10:11-15 Matthew 4:11 John 10:17-21 Matthew 5:21-22 John 10:28-39 Matthew 5:27-28 John 12:44-50 Matthew 5:31-32 John 13:13 Matthew 8:2 John 13:19-20 Matthew 8:27 John 14:6-14 John 15:5 Matthew 10:1 John 15:23 Matthew 10:40 John 16:23 Matthew 11:27 John 17:1-5 Matthew 14:33 John 17:24 Matthew 15:25 John 18:5 Matthew 28:8 John 20:28-29 Matthew 28:18-20 John 21:17 Mark 2:5-11 Acts 3:15 Mark 14:61-64 Acts 7:59-60 Acts 20:28 Romans 9:5 1 Corinthians 8:6 1 Corinthians 10:1-4 2 Corinthians 4:4-6 Ephesians 3:9-10 Philippians 2:5-11 Philippians 3:20-21 Colossians 1:15-19 Colossians 2:9-10 1 Timothy 3:16 1 Timothy 3:13-16 Titus 2:13 Hebrew's 1:1-14 Hebrews 13:8 1 Peter 4:19 2 Peter 18:1-2 1 John 5:20 Revelation 1:8 Revelation 1:17-18 Revelation 2:8 Revelation 17:14 Revelation 21:6-7 Revelation 22:13 Isaiah 7:14 John 1:1-14 Isaiah 9:5-6 John 1:18 Isaiah 35:4 John 2:25 Isaiah 43:10-11 Luke 2:11 John 3:35-36 Isaiah 44:6 John 5:17-30 Revelation 1:17 John 5:46-47 Micah 5:1 John 6:35 Matthew 1:22-23 John 6:64-65 Matthew 2:1-2 John 8:12 Matthew 2:11 John 8:18-19 Matthew 4:6-7 John 8:24 Matthew 4:11 John 8:28-29 Matthew 5:21-22 John 8:58 Matthew 5:27-28 John 9:38 Matthew 5:31-32 John 10:7-9 Matthew 8:2 John 10:11-15 Matthew 8:27 John 10:17-21 Matthew 10:1 John 10:28-39 Matthew 10:40 John 12:44-50 Matthew 11:27 John 13:13 Matthew 14:33 Matthew 15:25 Matthew 28:8 John 15:5 Matthew 28:18-20 Mark 2:5-11



I am the way the truth and the light.” “ the father and I are one” “ I am the alpha and the omega. The first and the last. The beginning and end” “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never be hungry. Who ever believes in me will never be thirsty”.



The Muslims say oh but in the bible Jesus never says the EXact qords I am god qorship me. He doesn’t need to say your exact qords to fit your requirements to be God. He makes it knoqn and obvious that he is GOD in the flesh many times as do the authors in the NT and OT. To refute this is being intellectually dishonest.





) The New Testament uses the Greek word for ‘God’ (theos or θεός) to describe Jesus (John 1:1 Titus 2:13, Hebrews 1:8 , 2 Peter 1:1

‘Lord’ (kurios or κύριος) is used to describe Jesus. This is the same word the Greek Old Testament (Septuagint) translated the formal name for God (yhwh, יְהוָֹה). This indicates the New Testament authors believed Jesus was God from the Old Testament (Matthew 3:3(if available), Luke 1:43Open in),


3.) Jesus called himself the “Son of man” 84 times in the four gospels – see Matthew 16:13. This was a Messianic title given in Daniel the Prophet (Daniel 7:13-14


4.) Jesus is the creator of the world which is something only God could do (John 1:3)


5.) The disciples believed he knew everything, an attribute of God (John 16:30)



) John 10:30 me and the father are one

7.) Jesus says I am the alpha the omega the beginning and end (eternal nature in rev 22:13)

8.) he said he can forgive sins and only God can do this (matt 9:11-8)



) (Matt 25: 31-46) he judges people during judgment day



10.) he said baptize in the name of the father the son and the holy spirit (Matt 28:19)



) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (John 1)





11.) (Genesis 1:26-28) says let "US" make man in "OUR" image. This is referring to the father the son and holy spirit and not the angels as GOD doesn't need to consult his creation.





12.) (John 5:23) so that all may honor the son just as they honor the father

(John: 5:26) Just as the father has life in himself, so also he gave to his son the possession of life in himself.



13.) (Matt 11:27): no one knows the son except the father and no one knows the father except the son.



14.) (John: 10:30-33) I and the father are one.



15.) (Mark 14: 61-62): Are you the Christ the son of the blessed one: I AM, and you'll see the son of man sitting at the right hand of the mighty one and coming on the clouds of heaven. (son of man in Daniel's prophecy (Daniel 7:13-14). Claiming to be the pre existing Sovreign of the universe and foretelling that he would prove his claim by judging the very court that was condemning him.





16.) (John 10:11) I am the good shepard. This is a title that's assigned to God in the OT( Psalm 23:1)





17.) (John 5:27) Jesus claims to be the judge of all people a task only God performs Joel 3:12.



18.) He called himself the bridegroom in Mattheq 25:1 a role God had qith Israel (Isaih 6:5)



19.) He forgave sins (Mark 2:5) but only God can forgive sins (Psalm 103:8-12).



20.) He states to have equal authority with God (Matt 28:18)



21.) He encouraged prayer in his name John (14:13-14)



22.)He states you can heal the sick and cast out demons in his name (Mark 16:17 -19)



23.) He offers salvation if you believe in ihm (John 3:18)



24.) Authors referring to Jesus as GOD ( Rev 1:17, Deut 33:27).



25.) Authors refer to Jesus as creator of all things ( John 1:3, 1 Peter 4:19)



26.) Authors claim he's Omnipresent: (28:20)



) accepts and receives worship from people and Angels ( matt 14:33, Rev 7:11) Even though the bible clearly says to only worship the one true God Exodus 20:1-5, Deut 5:6-9)



) GOD calls Jesus Yah Allah in Arabic bible:

as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me. “I pray for them.



















































Arguments the satanic death cultists in Muslims make to lie to themselves and say Jesus can’t be GOD.



ARGUMENT 1 The main scripture the athiests, anti-thiests, satanists and musilmims (plagerized and bastardized version of judaism) to use as their form of flaqed proof and do not understand the context is

Matthew 24:36-44 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.




Given the context the apostles have come to christ and they asked him

about the buildings of jerusalem. He has just left the temple (matthew 23)

speaks of jesus just leaving the temple and so they're on the mount of

olives they're looking at the temple mount and the buildings in

jerusalem and they draw his attention to them and they say you know lord look at all these beautiful buildings and so forth. Jesus said i tell you the truth not one stone here will be left on top of another and that leads them to ask when's all this going to happen and when what's going to be the end of the age. So in the context of that Jesus says with some variation in the different accounts depending on what the emphasis was of the gospel writer but they say you know jesus says no man knows the day or the hour not the angels in heaven nor the son but the father only.



now there are several things to be observed here in the first place this isn't islam no matter how you interpret it. Jesus here categorically distinguishes himself from Men and angels and he ranks himself above them. no man knows not the not the men not angels and then he says not even the son but how do we account for him saying he doesn't know the day or the hour if in fact he is the son and here we have to remember what it means to call him the son of god it's not being used in a biological sense the bible repudiates that as clearly as the quran does you know Muhammad apparently thinks that jews and Christians believe that Jesus is a product of biological procreation or sexual relations uh but but the bible uh certainly doesn't teach that christians don't believe that christ was conceived in his mother's womb by the power of the holy spirit according to predictive prophecy as well as according to its fulfillment in matthew 1in in luke 1 and so forth



So when the new testament speaks of jesus as son of god it clearly means it in a divine sense in john 5:17-18 for example jesus calls the father calls god his father and claims to be doing what the father does namely works of providence, sustaining the world, working miracles and so forth and

this leads the Edomites to want to kill him because in calling god his own father. Tt says he was making himself equal with god and so the claim of sonship on the part of Jesus was a claim of equality. So how can Jesus who identifies himself as the son and identifies god as father which is abominated in islam, say that he doesn't know the day or the hour well?



Here’s what's important to remember is that Jesus originally spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. Aramaic would have been the common language of discourse among the Israelites. Hebrew would have been the scholarly language what they would have used in synagogue and so forth Jesus obviously knew Hebrew he stood up and read the scroll of isaiah in in the gospel of Luke for example and only uh somebody who could read in hebrew could do that,but in hebrew and Aramaic there is a form of a grammatical form known as a causative where when a person says uses the word knoq, it doesn't always have to refer to cognitive information or intellectual data. So for example this isn't an example of a causative but it's an example of the word no being used differently than simply intellectual knowledge in genesis 4 it says adam knew his wife eve and she conceived in borah's son clearly that doesn't mean that adam came to have intellectual knowledge of even as a result of that shebecame pregnant it's saying that he had an intimate relationship with her and that produced a child. Likewise in the book of amos god says of israel you only have i known among all the families of the earth. There it means that god loved them. He loved israel as his special people. So the word know can be used in various ways and i just gave one other example of that but when the causative form of that is used what it means is to make known.



now bringing that to jesus’ statement in matthew 24 when Jesus said no man

knows the day or the hour not the angels nor the son but the father only,

what he's saying is no one has the prerogative to make that day known.

Now contextually what Jesus is referring to is the coming his future coming to

receive his bride he even goes on to give a parable of 10 virgins. Remember that and of the bridegroom he's clearly talking about the coming of

the bridegroom for his bride or of the groom for his bride and

in that context he says nobody has theright to make that day known



in Israelite culture when it came time for a son to go and get his bride

the right belonged to the father to declare that day to the people.

The son couldn't tell people when that day was and so all Jesus is doing in matthew 24 is saying i am the son he is the father it's his prerogative as

the father to declare that day to men. That's why that passage doesn't refute

the spirit knowing the day or the hour because Jesus is talking about the

father's prerogative to declare the day which is the father's prerogative and

that's proven in acts 1 when the disciples said to Jesus are you

at this time going to restore the kingdom to israel and Jesus said it's not for you to know the times or seasons which the father has fixed by his own authority. He says you just be busy about the work that that god has given you so it's the father's prerogative to make that day known.



The classical way that people address that passage is to explain it in terms of Christ's two natures. I think that works in part because Christ obviously had a divine nature and a human nature and his human nature is really human he slept he wept he he died in his human nature it was a real human nature and so from that perspective he could grow and learn and so forth but i don't think that it's consistent with the context to make that the Interpretation given everything I stated and because that explanation wouldn't account for how the spirit is not included there because it's not talking about intellectual knowledge but declarative knowledge.



So, if you use proper context and understand how the word “know” has been used within the bible and using those definitions we can clearly see this passage doesn’t mean Jesus isn’t GOD. It’s simply a passage that Muslims take out of context prove their religious superiority and convert more fools form youtube videos.







ARGUMENT 2: Jesus curses the fig tree.



Jesus, in the Synoptic Gospels, went to a fig tree looking for food to eat (Matthew 21:18-22; Mark 11:12-14, 20-21). When he saw that there were no figs on the tree he cursed it. The problem with this story is that it wasn’t the season for figs according to Mark 11:13! If Jesus is God why didn’t he know that it wasn’t the season for figs? And why would he curse the tree when it wasn’t its fault that it wasn’t fig season?

Answer:

There is a very reasonable explanation why Jesus cursed the fig tree even though it wasn’t the season for figs. Even before the season, fig trees produce little knobs which are eaten by a passerby. As the late renowned NT scholar F.F. Bruce noted:

"The other miracle is the cursing of the barren fig tree (Mk. xi 12 ff.), a stumbling block to many. They feel that it is unlike Jesus, and so someone must have misunderstood what actually happened, or turned a spoken parable into an acted miracle, or something like that. Some, on the other hand, welcome the story because it shows that Jesus was human enough to get unreasonably annoyed on occasion. It appears, however, that a closer acquaintance with fig trees would have prevented such misunderstandings. ‘The time of the fig is not yet,’ says Mark, for it was just before Passover, about six weeks before the fully-formed fig appears. The fact that Mark adds these words shows that he knew what he was talking about. When the fig leaves appear about the end of March, they are accompanied by a crop of small knobs, called taqsh by the Arabs, a sort of fore-runner of the real figs. These taqsh are eaten by peasants and others when hungry. They drop off before the real fig is formed. But if the leaves appear unaccompanied by taqsh, there will be no figs that year. So it was evident to our Lord, when He turned aside to see if there were any of these taqsh on the fig-tree to assuage His hunger for the time being, that the absence of the taqsh meant that there would be no figs when the time of figs came. For all its fair foliage, it was a fruitless and a hopeless tree." (Bruce, Are The New Testament Documents Reliable? [Intervarsity Press; Downers Grove, Ill, fifth revised edition 1992], pp. 73-74; bold emphasis ours)

Another noted Evangelical scholar Craig S. Keener makes the following observation:

"At Passover season in late March or early April, fig trees are often in leaf on the eastern side of the Mount of Olives. At this time of year, such fig trees contained only green early figs (Arabs call them taqsh), which ripen around June but often drop off before that time, leaving only green leaves on the tree. A leafy tree lacking such early figs, however, would bear no figs at all that year," (Keener, A Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew [Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, July 1999], p. 504)

Thus, what was thought to be an example against the veracity of the NT ends up actually becoming a rather persuasive argument for its historical reliability! This exemplifies the minute accuracy of the Synoptic Gospels, both in time and place, i.e. this took place during the month of Passover, figs located on the eastern side of the Mount of Olives etc. It also provides evidence for an early dating of Matthew and Mark - or, at the very least, shows that they were dependent on very old and early material - well before the fall of Jerusalem. After all, the knowledge of these details would most likely have been lost or unknown to authors writing after the destruction of Jerusalem.

Moreover, the cursing of the fig tree is a played or acted out parable, one which warned the nation of Israel of impending judgment. In the words of Messianic scholar David Stern:

"… If Yeshua’s cursing and drying up the fig tree had been a petulant reaction to disappointment because he couldn't satisfy his hunger, it would be unworthy of anyone, let alone the Messiah. But Yeshua is making a point by means of prophetic drama, acted-out parable (possibly Lk 13:6-9). Tanakh examples include Yirmiyahu, who bought and broke a clay bottle (Jeremiah 19), and Yechezk'el, who made and then burned up a model of Jerusalem (Ezekiel 4-5); for a later New Testament instance see Ac 21:10-11.

Even out of season a fig tree in leaf - it must have been in leaf to be seen in the distance (v. 12) - holds forth the promise of fruit. The normal early season for figs in Israel is June, but the early unripe fruit (Song of Songs 2:13) begins to show itself even before the spring leaves appear on the branches, often before Passover.

We know that Yeshua expects God's people to put forth the fruit of righteousness, and that unproductive branches are thrown in the fire (Mt 7:16-20; 12:33; 13:4-9, 18-23; Yn 15:1-8). Thus, the drying-up of the fig tree is an acted-out warning. In keeping with Proverbs 27:18 (‘He who tends a fig tree will eat his fruit, and he who serves his master will be honored’) Yeshua here is teaching his followers what it means to serve their master, God: it means simply to have the kind of trust that comes from God (v. 22), and that they will wither away if they don’t. Yeshua neither acts from pique nor perform arbitrary miracles like a magician; every one of his supernatural acts has spiritual significance." (Stern, Jewish New Testament Commentary [Jewish New Testament Publications, Inc., Clarksville Maryland, Fifth edition 1996], pp. 95-96; bold emphasis ours)

In fact, the OT often uses the fig tree as a symbol of national Israel:

"I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, AND THEIR LEAVES WILL WITHER. What I have given them will be taken from them.’" Jeremiah 8:13

"You may say, 'The LORD has raised up prophets for us in Babylon,' but this is what the LORD says about the king who sits on David's throne and all the people who remain in this city, your countrymen who did not go with you into exile- yes, this is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will send the sword, famine and plague against them and I will make them like poor figs that are so bad they cannot be eaten. I will pursue them with the sword, famine and plague and will make them abhorrent to all the kingdoms of the earth and an object of cursing and horror, of scorn and reproach, among all the nations where I drive them. For they have not listened to my words,' declares the LORD, 'words that I sent to them again and again by my servants the prophets. And you exiles have not listened either,' declares the LORD." Jeremiah 29:15-19

"When I found Israel, it was like finding grapes in the desert; when I saw your fathers, IT WAS LIKE SEEING THE EARLY FRUIT ON THE FIG TREE. But when they came to Baal Peor, they consecrated themselves to that shameful idol and became as vile as the thing they loved... Ephraim is blighted, their root is withered, they yield no fruit. Even if they bear children, I will slay their cherished offspring." Hosea 9:10, 16

"What misery is mine! I am like one who gathers summer fruit at the gleaning of the vineyard; there is no cluster of grapes to eat, none of the early figs that I crave. The godly have been swept from the land; not one upright man remains. All men lie in wait to shed blood; each hunts his brother with a net. Both hands are skilled in doing evil; the ruler demands gifts, the judge accepts bribes, the powerful dictate what they desire- they all conspire together. The best of them is like a brier, the most upright worse than a thorn hedge. The day of your watchmen has come, the day God visits you. Now is the time of their confusion." Micah 7:1-4

"All your fortresses are like fig trees with their first ripe fruit; when they are shaken, the figs fall into the mouth of the eater." Nahum 3:12

The foregoing helps clarify why Jesus did what he did. Christ came searching for what the OT says Yahweh searches after, namely, an indication that Israel was a fruitful tree and not barren and dry. Yet instead of finding the early fig (cf. Hosea 9:10; Micah 7:1), which would have demonstrated that Israel was spiritually alive and capable of bearing the fruit which satisfies God, Christ found the nation spiritually dead and barren. In light of Israel’s spiritual barrenness, God would cut down his fig tree, his very own vine, and burn it:

"Then he told this parable: ‘A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, "For three years now I've been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?" "Sir," the man replied, "leave it alone for one more year, and I'll dig around it and fertilize it. If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down."’" Luke 13:6-9

"He then began to speak to them in parables: 'A man planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a pit for the winepress and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and went away on a journey. At harvest time he sent a servant to the tenants to collect from them some of the fruit of the vineyard. But they seized him, beat him and sent him away empty-handed. Then he sent another servant to them; they struck this man on the head and treated him shamefully. He sent still another, and that one they killed. He sent many others; some of them they beat, others they killed. He had one left to send, a son, whom he loved. He sent him last of all, saying, "They will respect my son." But the tenants said to one another, "This is the heir. Come, let's kill him, and the inheritance will be ours." So they took him and killed him, and threw him out of the vineyard. What then will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and kill those tenants and give the vineyard to others.’" Mark 12:1-9

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. Look, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’" Matthew 23:37-39

"As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it and said, ‘If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace-but now it is hidden from your eyes. The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God's coming to you.’" Luke 19:41-44

This was the meaning behind Jesus’ cursing the fig tree, as a sign that God came looking for spiritual fruitfulness among his covenant people but saw none, and would therefore bring destruction upon them.

As it stands, there is no problem with Jesus cursing the fig tree, nor does this act undermine his absolute perfect Deity.

ARGUMENT 3: Why Does Jesus Say "The Father Is Greater Than I" In John 14:28?​

Muslims believe this passage means that Jesus can’t be God if he admits that the father is greater than him.





John 14:28





“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.



He says rejoice that I’m going to the father because the father is greater than I. He doesn’t mean the father is better than me because he has a deity and Jesus doesn’t. This Gospel introduces Yahshua as God the one who created all things and became flesh for our redemption. Let’s forget the prologue and assume John qill contradict himself 13 chapters later.



John 14:12-14 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believe on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.



This doesn’t mean greater works in terms of superior or better quality than the works than Jesus performed but the same works that he did but a greater number or quantity, not quality. The reason y they can do greater works than he is because he goes to the father.



So when Jesus goes to the father when you ask in my name and Jesus hears your prayers and I’ll be the one doing the works through you per your request.





John 14:23 23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.





So Jesus claimed to be present personally and hears and answers all prayers of all true believers to the same extent and to the same degree that the father is with every true believer. This assumes that Jesus is omnipresent and omniscient to know who the true believers are and all powerful to answer all requests, no matter how many people are asking. To be omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent and to hear all prayers makes you god. So he claims the attributes and functions of GOD but still not the father as he’s distinct from the father and one with him and the fathers ability and do the very things that he can do which are the only things GOD can do.



Therefore this isn’t a statement of the father being greater than Jesus in terms of the father being a deity and the son not having the deity as the deity is with him from the beginning to the end (alpha and omega). But greater in terms of status, because while Jesus remained on earth he remained on earth he’s in a state of humility as he’s assumed a status as a servant and says to them if you love me you’ll rejoice because as long as I remain here, the father will be greater in status but when I go to the father that will change.



John 17:5 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.



So Jesus says glorify me in your presence, when I return to heaven, the glory you posses is the glory you’ll bestow on me in your presence. Secondly, that’s the glory I had already with you before the world was created. Jesus affirms 2 things in that he was there alongside the father before the creation of the world and he was there alongside the father in the same glory and that’s the glory he sat aside but will regain and that’s what he meant, if I remain I earth, the father’s greater in status because the father heavenly glory. When he goes to the father he’ll no longer be in this state of humility where sinners beat me to the point of death and nail me to the cross, I’ll be basking in the same glory of the father where all inhabitants in heaven will behold my glory and know I am the son of God Who's one with the father.



This passage proves that Islam is false and Muhammad is an anti-crhist. Because Jesus says the father and he’s the son who shares the same glory that the father possesses all of which Muhammad the false prophet denied because Muhammad said Allah isn’t the father and Jesus isn’t the son.



Another way to look at this is to ask the question is your boss greater than you? Yes by his authority. Are you greater than your dog in the eyes of your creator? Yes by nature. Then there are many ways one can be greater than. So to just take this scripture completely out of context is a failing Muslim tactic that we use to embarrass them and their false god.







ARGUMENT 4: ONLY GOD is good

Mark 10:18?​

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.



Again, the Muslims never use context ever. Once you go into the context you can debunk their lies and deceptions:



Mark:



SUMMARY:



There are probably hundreds of biblical passages in the bible where Jesus claims to be GOD in his actions or words, indirectly claims to be God, people or authors claim directly or indirectly that Jesus is God in their actions or words and he doesn’t need to use the specific vocabulary requirements of Muslims or any other people or group to demonstrate his deity as it’s done adequately throughout the bible. The statement the son doesn’t know the day or the hour and only the father does isn’t a claim of ignorance to know informational knowledge but declarative knowledge. Jesus saying the father is greater than I isn’t due to the father having deity and not the son but the father having status over Jesus while temporarily in human form as a self sacrifice for humanity as a servant.





































SUMMARY:



There are probably hundreds of biblical passages in the bible where Jesus claims to be GOD in his actions and or words, indirectly claims to be God, people or authors claim directly or indirectly that Jesus is God in their actions and or words and he doesn’t need to use the specific vocabulary requirements of Muslims or any other people or group to demonstrate his deity as it’s done adequately throughout the bible.Taking single scriptures out of context to promote your false satanic archaic death cult is not only intellectually dishonest but pure evil as is your God the devil.



The scripture on the son doesn’t know the day or the hour and only the father does isn’t a claim of ignorance to know intellectual knowledge but declarative knowledge. Jesus saying the father is greater than I isn’t due to the father having deity and not the son but the father having status over Jesus while temporarily in human form as a self sacrifice for humanity as a servant.





The scripture in Mark on only God is good (even though YAHSHUA calls himself GOD a billion times already before this, Jesus is speaking in a hypothetical scenario in hey how can you call me good and only god is good so follow me and get rid of all your things if you believe I am good and he walked away because he had many riches.



Muslims will say the scriptures have been corrupted but Muhammad says the Torah is the legit word of Allah and Allah says his words can’t be corrupted in the Koran. Muhammad had access to the same Torah we have now in the Septuagint and Codex from the 3rd and 4th century AD.

MEGA bump on this one

 

[King Solomon]

MEGA bump on this one

Yep, since the Quaran (qord of GOD per the Quaran) confirms the Torah and the NT during the time of Muhammed as the word of God and the word of GOD cannot be changed this means Islam is false. Since the Christian bible is true, Islam is false.

There's no need to go into how Muhammed is a white man with red hair, had black slaves, sinned 70+ times a day, had sex with pre pubescent girls, had no prophecies come to fruition, worked no miracles, was duped by a demon to create this false religion, etc. etc.

 

[Org3cel ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ]

Yep, since the Quaran (qord of GOD per the Quaran) confirms the Torah and the NT during the time of Muhammed as the word of God and the word of GOD cannot be changed this means Islam is false. Since the Christian bible is true, Islam is false.

There's no need to go into how Muhammed is a white man with red hair, had black slaves, sinned 70+ times a day, had sex with pre pubescent girls, had no prophecies come to fruition, worked no miracles, was duped by a demon to create this false religion, etc. etc.

So true man, muslims commit every sin in the book except eating pork

 

[King Solomon]

So true man, muslims commit every sin in the book except eating pork

Just demonstrating further they lack understanding of the scriptures as pork is no longer unclean.

Mark 7:18-19​

 

[Org3cel ㅤㅤㅤㅤㅤ]

Just demonstrating further they lack understanding of the scriptures as pork is no longer unclean.

Mark 7:18-19​

How did you learn so much, holy thanks man

 

[King Solomon]

How did you learn so much, holy thanks man

Constantly asking questions, researching and reading.

 

[King Solomon]

How did you learn so much, holy thanks man

No problem. Islam thrived by the sword, dies by the internet.

 

[zaideas]

dnr jewish ramblings

 

[Tom Jones]

I did not read any of that, but Jesus can't be a god. He was a human being like us all, he peed, pooped, cummed etc wouldn't it disgust u that "God" can do these sh

He was fully man and fully god. nonsense

He bassically raped his own mother and got birthed in human form, seemingly unaware of his divinity. But that is clashing with the nature of GOD.

Its a load of nonsense

 

[Deleted member 87068]

Ave Ave Christus Rex!!!

 

[Occultcel]

Christianity is superior to all other religions because it’s the only religion where god comes and lives inside of you. Do a lot of psychedelics or have a mystical experience and you’ll come to the realization that god is creation and exists inside of everything. Everything is connected. Through believing in Jesus, you grow the godliness (holy spirit) that lives within you.

 

[swt]

you’re deluded, god doesn’t exist

religion is manipulation and is keeping slaves like yourself under control, being good boys and following this false morally you’ve been taught of

 

[King Solomon]

you’re deluded, god doesn’t exist

religion is manipulation and is keeping slaves like yourself under control, being good boys and following this false morally you’ve been taught of

God exists in your very DNA as his mark/name is in your DNA unless you took the CV 19 vaccinations qhich remove GOD's name and input the #666 per the patents. Only a creator can make a creation only a coder can make a line of code and the human code is the most advanced code in existence.

As for religion, I have no religion. I have a relationship qith the creator. God reveals himself to those qho are open and seek him therefore nobody needs to be taught.

I'm the most free a person can be in this physical existence

Not a wage slave (off grid and self sufficient no need to slave in the rat race)
not a currency slave (no need of JEVV fiat ponzi scheme death and debt time theft currency
not a slave or dependent on the slave master's electricity, water, food, etc or anything else
not a debt slave
I actually own my land so no property taxes, no income taxes as I have a changed political status no eminent domain.

No person on this earth can be any more free than myself while living a high quality life.

You're a slave to society. It's over for you as the Jevvs tricked you with their pseudo science and laugh at you for believing their lies.

 

[ltncurry]

Biblical proofs Jesus is GOD:

Isaiah 7:14 John 1:1-14 Isaiah 9:5-6 John 1:18 John 2:25 Isaiah 35:4 John 3:35-36 Isaiah 43:10-11 John 5:17-30 Isaiah 446 John 5:46-47 Luke 2:11 John 6:35 Luke 5:20 John 6:64-65 Luke 18:19 John 8:12 Luke 24:51-52 John 8:18-19 Luke 8:39 John 8:24 Micah 5:1 John 8:28-29 Revelation 1:17 John 8:58 Matthew 1:22-23 John 9:38 Matthew 2:11 John 10:7-9 Matthew 4:6-7 John 10:11-15 Matthew 4:11 John 10:17-21 Matthew 5:21-22 John 10:28-39 Matthew 5:27-28 John 12:44-50 Matthew 5:31-32 John 13:13 Matthew 8:2 John 13:19-20 Matthew 8:27 John 14:6-14 John 15:5 Matthew 10:1 John 15:23 Matthew 10:40 John 16:23 Matthew 11:27 John 17:1-5 Matthew 14:33 John 17:24 Matthew 15:25 John 18:5 Matthew 28:8 John 20:28-29 Matthew 28:18-20 John 21:17 Mark 2:5-11 Acts 3:15 Mark 14:61-64 Acts 7:59-60 Acts 20:28 Romans 9:5 1 Corinthians 8:6 1 Corinthians 10:1-4 2 Corinthians 4:4-6 Ephesians 3:9-10 Philippians 2:5-11 Philippians 3:20-21 Colossians 1:15-19 Colossians 2:9-10 1 Timothy 3:16 1 Timothy 3:13-16 Titus 2:13 Hebrew's 1:1-14 Hebrews 13:8 1 Peter 4:19 2 Peter 18:1-2 1 John 5:20 Revelation 1:8 Revelation 1:17-18 Revelation 2:8 Revelation 17:14 Revelation 21:6-7 Revelation 22:13 Isaiah 7:14 John 1:1-14 Isaiah 9:5-6 John 1:18 Isaiah 35:4 John 2:25 Isaiah 43:10-11 Luke 2:11 John 3:35-36 Isaiah 44:6 John 5:17-30 Revelation 1:17 John 5:46-47 Micah 5:1 John 6:35 Matthew 1:22-23 John 6:64-65 Matthew 2:1-2 John 8:12 Matthew 2:11 John 8:18-19 Matthew 4:6-7 John 8:24 Matthew 4:11 John 8:28-29 Matthew 5:21-22 John 8:58 Matthew 5:27-28 John 9:38 Matthew 5:31-32 John 10:7-9 Matthew 8:2 John 10:11-15 Matthew 8:27 John 10:17-21 Matthew 10:1 John 10:28-39 Matthew 10:40 John 12:44-50 Matthew 11:27 John 13:13 Matthew 14:33 Matthew 15:25 Matthew 28:8 John 15:5 Matthew 28:18-20 Mark 2:5-11



I am the way the truth and the light.” “ the father and I are one” “ I am the alpha and the omega. The first and the last. The beginning and end” “I am the bread of life. Whoever comes to me will never be hungry. Who ever believes in me will never be thirsty”.



The Muslims say oh but in the bible Jesus never says the EXact qords I am god qorship me. He doesn’t need to say your exact qords to fit your requirements to be God. He makes it knoqn and obvious that he is GOD in the flesh many times as do the authors in the NT and OT. To refute this is being intellectually dishonest.





) The New Testament uses the Greek word for ‘God’ (theos or θεός) to describe Jesus (John 1:1 Titus 2:13, Hebrews 1:8 , 2 Peter 1:1

‘Lord’ (kurios or κύριος) is used to describe Jesus. This is the same word the Greek Old Testament (Septuagint) translated the formal name for God (yhwh, יְהוָֹה). This indicates the New Testament authors believed Jesus was God from the Old Testament (Matthew 3:3(if available), Luke 1:43Open in),


3.) Jesus called himself the “Son of man” 84 times in the four gospels – see Matthew 16:13. This was a Messianic title given in Daniel the Prophet (Daniel 7:13-14


4.) Jesus is the creator of the world which is something only God could do (John 1:3)


5.) The disciples believed he knew everything, an attribute of God (John 16:30)



) John 10:30 me and the father are one

7.) Jesus says I am the alpha the omega the beginning and end (eternal nature in rev 22:13)

8.) he said he can forgive sins and only God can do this (matt 9:11-8)



) (Matt 25: 31-46) he judges people during judgment day



10.) he said baptize in the name of the father the son and the holy spirit (Matt 28:19)



) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (John 1)





11.) (Genesis 1:26-28) says let "US" make man in "OUR" image. This is referring to the father the son and holy spirit and not the angels as GOD doesn't need to consult his creation.





12.) (John 5:23) so that all may honor the son just as they honor the father

(John: 5:26) Just as the father has life in himself, so also he gave to his son the possession of life in himself.



13.) (Matt 11:27): no one knows the son except the father and no one knows the father except the son.



14.) (John: 10:30-33) I and the father are one.



15.) (Mark 14: 61-62): Are you the Christ the son of the blessed one: I AM, and you'll see the son of man sitting at the right hand of the mighty one and coming on the clouds of heaven. (son of man in Daniel's prophecy (Daniel 7:13-14). Claiming to be the pre existing Sovreign of the universe and foretelling that he would prove his claim by judging the very court that was condemning him.





16.) (John 10:11) I am the good shepard. This is a title that's assigned to God in the OT( Psalm 23:1)





17.) (John 5:27) Jesus claims to be the judge of all people a task only God performs Joel 3:12.



18.) He called himself the bridegroom in Mattheq 25:1 a role God had qith Israel (Isaih 6:5)



19.) He forgave sins (Mark 2:5) but only God can forgive sins (Psalm 103:8-12).



20.) He states to have equal authority with God (Matt 28:18)



21.) He encouraged prayer in his name John (14:13-14)



22.)He states you can heal the sick and cast out demons in his name (Mark 16:17 -19)



23.) He offers salvation if you believe in ihm (John 3:18)



24.) Authors referring to Jesus as GOD ( Rev 1:17, Deut 33:27).



25.) Authors refer to Jesus as creator of all things ( John 1:3, 1 Peter 4:19)



26.) Authors claim he's Omnipresent: (28:20)



) accepts and receives worship from people and Angels ( matt 14:33, Rev 7:11) Even though the bible clearly says to only worship the one true God Exodus 20:1-5, Deut 5:6-9)



) GOD calls Jesus Yah Allah in Arabic bible:

as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life to as many as You have given Him. And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom You have sent. I have glorified You on the earth. I have finished the work which You have given Me to do. And now, O Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. “I have manifested Your name to the men whom You have given Me out of the world. They were Yours, You gave them to Me, and they have kept Your word. Now they have known that all things which You have given Me are from You. For I have given to them the words which You have given Me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came forth from You; and they have believed that You sent Me. “I pray for them.



















































Arguments the satanic death cultists in Muslims make to lie to themselves and say Jesus can’t be GOD.



ARGUMENT 1 The main scripture the athiests, anti-thiests, satanists and musilmims (plagerized and bastardized version of judaism) to use as their form of flaqed proof and do not understand the context is

Matthew 24:36-44 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.




Given the context the apostles have come to christ and they asked him

about the buildings of jerusalem. He has just left the temple (matthew 23)

speaks of jesus just leaving the temple and so they're on the mount of

olives they're looking at the temple mount and the buildings in

jerusalem and they draw his attention to them and they say you know lord look at all these beautiful buildings and so forth. Jesus said i tell you the truth not one stone here will be left on top of another and that leads them to ask when's all this going to happen and when what's going to be the end of the age. So in the context of that Jesus says with some variation in the different accounts depending on what the emphasis was of the gospel writer but they say you know jesus says no man knows the day or the hour not the angels in heaven nor the son but the father only.



now there are several things to be observed here in the first place this isn't islam no matter how you interpret it. Jesus here categorically distinguishes himself from Men and angels and he ranks himself above them. no man knows not the not the men not angels and then he says not even the son but how do we account for him saying he doesn't know the day or the hour if in fact he is the son and here we have to remember what it means to call him the son of god it's not being used in a biological sense the bible repudiates that as clearly as the quran does you know Muhammad apparently thinks that jews and Christians believe that Jesus is a product of biological procreation or sexual relations uh but but the bible uh certainly doesn't teach that christians don't believe that christ was conceived in his mother's womb by the power of the holy spirit according to predictive prophecy as well as according to its fulfillment in matthew 1in in luke 1 and so forth



So when the new testament speaks of jesus as son of god it clearly means it in a divine sense in john 5:17-18 for example jesus calls the father calls god his father and claims to be doing what the father does namely works of providence, sustaining the world, working miracles and so forth and

this leads the Edomites to want to kill him because in calling god his own father. Tt says he was making himself equal with god and so the claim of sonship on the part of Jesus was a claim of equality. So how can Jesus who identifies himself as the son and identifies god as father which is abominated in islam, say that he doesn't know the day or the hour well?



Here’s what's important to remember is that Jesus originally spoke Hebrew and Aramaic. Aramaic would have been the common language of discourse among the Israelites. Hebrew would have been the scholarly language what they would have used in synagogue and so forth Jesus obviously knew Hebrew he stood up and read the scroll of isaiah in in the gospel of Luke for example and only uh somebody who could read in hebrew could do that,but in hebrew and Aramaic there is a form of a grammatical form known as a causative where when a person says uses the word knoq, it doesn't always have to refer to cognitive information or intellectual data. So for example this isn't an example of a causative but it's an example of the word no being used differently than simply intellectual knowledge in genesis 4 it says adam knew his wife eve and she conceived in borah's son clearly that doesn't mean that adam came to have intellectual knowledge of even as a result of that shebecame pregnant it's saying that he had an intimate relationship with her and that produced a child. Likewise in the book of amos god says of israel you only have i known among all the families of the earth. There it means that god loved them. He loved israel as his special people. So the word know can be used in various ways and i just gave one other example of that but when the causative form of that is used what it means is to make known.



now bringing that to jesus’ statement in matthew 24 when Jesus said no man

knows the day or the hour not the angels nor the son but the father only,

what he's saying is no one has the prerogative to make that day known.

Now contextually what Jesus is referring to is the coming his future coming to

receive his bride he even goes on to give a parable of 10 virgins. Remember that and of the bridegroom he's clearly talking about the coming of

the bridegroom for his bride or of the groom for his bride and

in that context he says nobody has theright to make that day known



in Israelite culture when it came time for a son to go and get his bride

the right belonged to the father to declare that day to the people.

The son couldn't tell people when that day was and so all Jesus is doing in matthew 24 is saying i am the son he is the father it's his prerogative as

the father to declare that day to men. That's why that passage doesn't refute

the spirit knowing the day or the hour because Jesus is talking about the

father's prerogative to declare the day which is the father's prerogative and

that's proven in acts 1 when the disciples said to Jesus are you

at this time going to restore the kingdom to israel and Jesus said it's not for you to know the times or seasons which the father has fixed by his own authority. He says you just be busy about the work that that god has given you so it's the father's prerogative to make that day known.



The classical way that people address that passage is to explain it in terms of Christ's two natures. I think that works in part because Christ obviously had a divine nature and a human nature and his human nature is really human he slept he wept he he died in his human nature it was a real human nature and so from that perspective he could grow and learn and so forth but i don't think that it's consistent with the context to make that the Interpretation given everything I stated and because that explanation wouldn't account for how the spirit is not included there because it's not talking about intellectual knowledge but declarative knowledge.



So, if you use proper context and understand how the word “know” has been used within the bible and using those definitions we can clearly see this passage doesn’t mean Jesus isn’t GOD. It’s simply a passage that Muslims take out of context prove their religious superiority and convert more fools form youtube videos.







ARGUMENT 2: Jesus curses the fig tree.



Jesus, in the Synoptic Gospels, went to a fig tree looking for food to eat (Matthew 21:18-22; Mark 11:12-14, 20-21). When he saw that there were no figs on the tree he cursed it. The problem with this story is that it wasn’t the season for figs according to Mark 11:13! If Jesus is God why didn’t he know that it wasn’t the season for figs? And why would he curse the tree when it wasn’t its fault that it wasn’t fig season?

Answer:

There is a very reasonable explanation why Jesus cursed the fig tree even though it wasn’t the season for figs. Even before the season, fig trees produce little knobs which are eaten by a passerby. As the late renowned NT scholar F.F. Bruce noted:

"The other miracle is the cursing of the barren fig tree (Mk. xi 12 ff.), a stumbling block to many. They feel that it is unlike Jesus, and so someone must have misunderstood what actually happened, or turned a spoken parable into an acted miracle, or something like that. Some, on the other hand, welcome the story because it shows that Jesus was human enough to get unreasonably annoyed on occasion. It appears, however, that a closer acquaintance with fig trees would have prevented such misunderstandings. ‘The time of the fig is not yet,’ says Mark, for it was just before Passover, about six weeks before the fully-formed fig appears. The fact that Mark adds these words shows that he knew what he was talking about. When the fig leaves appear about the end of March, they are accompanied by a crop of small knobs, called taqsh by the Arabs, a sort of fore-runner of the real figs. These taqsh are eaten by peasants and others when hungry. They drop off before the real fig is formed. But if the leaves appear unaccompanied by taqsh, there will be no figs that year. So it was evident to our Lord, when He turned aside to see if there were any of these taqsh on the fig-tree to assuage His hunger for the time being, that the absence of the taqsh meant that there would be no figs when the time of figs came. For all its fair foliage, it was a fruitless and a hopeless tree." (Bruce, Are The New Testament Documents Reliable? [Intervarsity Press; Downers Grove, Ill, fifth revised edition 1992], pp. 73-74; bold emphasis ours)

Another noted Evangelical scholar Craig S. Keener makes the following observation:

"At Passover season in late March or early April, fig trees are often in leaf on the eastern side of the Mount of Olives. At this time of year, such fig trees contained only green early figs (Arabs call them taqsh), which ripen around June but often drop off before that time, leaving only green leaves on the tree. A leafy tree lacking such early figs, however, would bear no figs at all that year," (Keener, A Commentary on the Gospel of Matthew [Wm. B. Eerdmans Publishing Company, July 1999], p. 504)

Thus, what was thought to be an example against the veracity of the NT ends up actually becoming a rather persuasive argument for its historical reliability! This exemplifies the minute accuracy of the Synoptic Gospels, both in time and place, i.e. this took place during the month of Passover, figs located on the eastern side of the Mount of Olives etc. It also provides evidence for an early dating of Matthew and Mark - or, at the very least, shows that they were dependent on very old and early material - well before the fall of Jerusalem. After all, the knowledge of these details would most likely have been lost or unknown to authors writing after the destruction of Jerusalem.

Moreover, the cursing of the fig tree is a played or acted out parable, one which warned the nation of Israel of impending judgment. In the words of Messianic scholar David Stern:

"… If Yeshua’s cursing and drying up the fig tree had been a petulant reaction to disappointment because he couldn't satisfy his hunger, it would be unworthy of anyone, let alone the Messiah. But Yeshua is making a point by means of prophetic drama, acted-out parable (possibly Lk 13:6-9). Tanakh examples include Yirmiyahu, who bought and broke a clay bottle (Jeremiah 19), and Yechezk'el, who made and then burned up a model of Jerusalem (Ezekiel 4-5); for a later New Testament instance see Ac 21:10-11.

Even out of season a fig tree in leaf - it must have been in leaf to be seen in the distance (v. 12) - holds forth the promise of fruit. The normal early season for figs in Israel is June, but the early unripe fruit (Song of Songs 2:13) begins to show itself even before the spring leaves appear on the branches, often before Passover.

We know that Yeshua expects God's people to put forth the fruit of righteousness, and that unproductive branches are thrown in the fire (Mt 7:16-20; 12:33; 13:4-9, 18-23; Yn 15:1-8). Thus, the drying-up of the fig tree is an acted-out warning. In keeping with Proverbs 27:18 (‘He who tends a fig tree will eat his fruit, and he who serves his master will be honored’) Yeshua here is teaching his followers what it means to serve their master, God: it means simply to have the kind of trust that comes from God (v. 22), and that they will wither away if they don’t. Yeshua neither acts from pique nor perform arbitrary miracles like a magician; every one of his supernatural acts has spiritual significance." (Stern, Jewish New Testament Commentary [Jewish New Testament Publications, Inc., Clarksville Maryland, Fifth edition 1996], pp. 95-96; bold emphasis ours)

In fact, the OT often uses the fig tree as a symbol of national Israel:

"I will take away their harvest, declares the LORD. There will be no grapes on the vine. There will be no figs on the tree, AND THEIR LEAVES WILL WITHER. What I have given them will be taken from them.’" Jeremiah 8:13

"You may say, 'The LORD has raised up prophets for us in Babylon,' but this is what the LORD says about the king who sits on David's throne and all the people who remain in this city, your countrymen who did not go with you into exile- yes, this is what the LORD Almighty says: 'I will send the sword, famine and plague against them and I will make them like poor figs that are so bad they cannot be eaten. I will pursue them with the sword, famine and plague and will make them abhorrent to all the kingdoms of the earth and an object of cursing and horror, of scorn and reproach, among all the nations where I drive them. For they have not listened to my words,' declares the LORD, 'words that I sent to them again and again by my servants the prophets. And you exiles have not listened either,' declares the LORD." Jeremiah 29:15-19

"When I found Israel, it was like finding grapes in the desert; when I saw your fathers, IT WAS LIKE SEEING THE EARLY FRUIT ON THE FIG TREE. But when they came to Baal Peor, they consecrated themselves to that shameful idol and became as vile as the thing they loved... Ephraim is blighted, their root is withered, they yield no fruit. Even if they bear children, I will slay their cherished offspring." Hosea 9:10, 16

"What misery is mine! I am like one who gathers summer fruit at the gleaning of the vineyard; there is no cluster of grapes to eat, none of the early figs that I crave. The godly have been swept from the land; not one upright man remains. All men lie in wait to shed blood; each hunts his brother with a net. Both hands are skilled in doing evil; the ruler demands gifts, the judge accepts bribes, the powerful dictate what they desire- they all conspire together. The best of them is like a brier, the most upright worse than a thorn hedge. The day of your watchmen has come, the day God visits you. Now is the time of their confusion." Micah 7:1-4

"All your fortresses are like fig trees with their first ripe fruit; when they are shaken, the figs fall into the mouth of the eater." Nahum 3:12

The foregoing helps clarify why Jesus did what he did. Christ came searching for what the OT says Yahweh searches after, namely, an indication that Israel was a fruitful tree and not barren and dry. Yet instead of finding the early fig (cf. Hosea 9:10; Micah 7:1), which would have demonstrated that Israel was spiritually alive and capable of bearing the fruit which satisfies God, Christ found the nation spiritually dead and barren. In light of Israel’s spiritual barrenness, God would cut down his fig tree, his very own vine, and burn it:

"Then he told this parable: ‘A man had a fig tree, planted in his vineyard, and he went to look for fruit on it, but did not find any. So he said to the man who took care of the vineyard, "For three years now I've been coming to look for fruit on this fig tree and haven't found any. Cut it down! Why should it use up the soil?" "Sir," the man replied, "leave it alone for one more year, and I'll dig around it and fertilize it. If it bears fruit next year, fine! If not, then cut it down."’" Luke 13:6-9

"He then began to speak to them in parables: 'A man planted a vineyard. He put a wall around it, dug a pit for the winepress and built a watchtower. Then he rented the vineyard to some farmers and went away on a journey. At harvest time he sent a servant to the tenants to collect from them some of the fruit of the vineyard. But they seized him, beat him and sent him away empty-handed. Then he sent another servant to them; they struck this man on the head and treated him shamefully. He sent still another, and that one they killed. He sent many others; some of them they beat, others they killed. He had one left to send, a son, whom he loved. He sent him last of all, saying, "They will respect my son." But the tenants said to one another, "This is the heir. Come, let's kill him, and the inheritance will be ours." So they took him and killed him, and threw him out of the vineyard. What then will the owner of the vineyard do? He will come and kill those tenants and give the vineyard to others.’" Mark 12:1-9

"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. Look, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’" Matthew 23:37-39

"As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it and said, ‘If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace-but now it is hidden from your eyes. The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God's coming to you.’" Luke 19:41-44

This was the meaning behind Jesus’ cursing the fig tree, as a sign that God came looking for spiritual fruitfulness among his covenant people but saw none, and would therefore bring destruction upon them.

As it stands, there is no problem with Jesus cursing the fig tree, nor does this act undermine his absolute perfect Deity.

ARGUMENT 3: Why Does Jesus Say "The Father Is Greater Than I" In John 14:28?​

Muslims believe this passage means that Jesus can’t be God if he admits that the father is greater than him.





John 14:28





“You heard me say, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would be glad that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.



He says rejoice that I’m going to the father because the father is greater than I. He doesn’t mean the father is better than me because he has a deity and Jesus doesn’t. This Gospel introduces Yahshua as God the one who created all things and became flesh for our redemption. Let’s forget the prologue and assume John qill contradict himself 13 chapters later.



John 14:12-14 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believe on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.



This doesn’t mean greater works in terms of superior or better quality than the works than Jesus performed but the same works that he did but a greater number or quantity, not quality. The reason y they can do greater works than he is because he goes to the father.



So when Jesus goes to the father when you ask in my name and Jesus hears your prayers and I’ll be the one doing the works through you per your request.





John 14:23 23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.





So Jesus claimed to be present personally and hears and answers all prayers of all true believers to the same extent and to the same degree that the father is with every true believer. This assumes that Jesus is omnipresent and omniscient to know who the true believers are and all powerful to answer all requests, no matter how many people are asking. To be omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent and to hear all prayers makes you god. So he claims the attributes and functions of GOD but still not the father as he’s distinct from the father and one with him and the fathers ability and do the very things that he can do which are the only things GOD can do.



Therefore this isn’t a statement of the father being greater than Jesus in terms of the father being a deity and the son not having the deity as the deity is with him from the beginning to the end (alpha and omega). But greater in terms of status, because while Jesus remained on earth he remained on earth he’s in a state of humility as he’s assumed a status as a servant and says to them if you love me you’ll rejoice because as long as I remain here, the father will be greater in status but when I go to the father that will change.



John 17:5 5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.



So Jesus says glorify me in your presence, when I return to heaven, the glory you posses is the glory you’ll bestow on me in your presence. Secondly, that’s the glory I had already with you before the world was created. Jesus affirms 2 things in that he was there alongside the father before the creation of the world and he was there alongside the father in the same glory and that’s the glory he sat aside but will regain and that’s what he meant, if I remain I earth, the father’s greater in status because the father heavenly glory. When he goes to the father he’ll no longer be in this state of humility where sinners beat me to the point of death and nail me to the cross, I’ll be basking in the same glory of the father where all inhabitants in heaven will behold my glory and know I am the son of God Who's one with the father.



This passage proves that Islam is false and Muhammad is an anti-crhist. Because Jesus says the father and he’s the son who shares the same glory that the father possesses all of which Muhammad the false prophet denied because Muhammad said Allah isn’t the father and Jesus isn’t the son.



Another way to look at this is to ask the question is your boss greater than you? Yes by his authority. Are you greater than your dog in the eyes of your creator? Yes by nature. Then there are many ways one can be greater than. So to just take this scripture completely out of context is a failing Muslim tactic that we use to embarrass them and their false god.







ARGUMENT 4: ONLY GOD is good

Mark 10:18?​

And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.



Again, the Muslims never use context ever. Once you go into the context you can debunk their lies and deceptions:



Mark:



SUMMARY:



There are probably hundreds of biblical passages in the bible where Jesus claims to be GOD in his actions or words, indirectly claims to be God, people or authors claim directly or indirectly that Jesus is God in their actions or words and he doesn’t need to use the specific vocabulary requirements of Muslims or any other people or group to demonstrate his deity as it’s done adequately throughout the bible. The statement the son doesn’t know the day or the hour and only the father does isn’t a claim of ignorance to know informational knowledge but declarative knowledge. Jesus saying the father is greater than I isn’t due to the father having deity and not the son but the father having status over Jesus while temporarily in human form as a self sacrifice for humanity as a servant.





































SUMMARY:



There are probably hundreds of biblical passages in the bible where Jesus claims to be GOD in his actions and or words, indirectly claims to be God, people or authors claim directly or indirectly that Jesus is God in their actions and or words and he doesn’t need to use the specific vocabulary requirements of Muslims or any other people or group to demonstrate his deity as it’s done adequately throughout the bible.Taking single scriptures out of context to promote your false satanic archaic death cult is not only intellectually dishonest but pure evil as is your God the devil.



The scripture on the son doesn’t know the day or the hour and only the father does isn’t a claim of ignorance to know intellectual knowledge but declarative knowledge. Jesus saying the father is greater than I isn’t due to the father having deity and not the son but the father having status over Jesus while temporarily in human form as a self sacrifice for humanity as a servant.





The scripture in Mark on only God is good (even though YAHSHUA calls himself GOD a billion times already before this, Jesus is speaking in a hypothetical scenario in hey how can you call me good and only god is good so follow me and get rid of all your things if you believe I am good and he walked away because he had many riches.



Muslims will say the scriptures have been corrupted but Muhammad says the Torah is the legit word of Allah and Allah says his words can’t be corrupted in the Koran. Muhammad had access to the same Torah we have now in the Septuagint and Codex from the 3rd and 4th century AD.

Repped but unfortunately dnr

 

[King Solomon]

I believe I've already done an adequate job of massacring the Islamic archaic satanic cult. https://looksmax.org/threads/proof-...th-their-false-prophet-come-get-some.1034875/

The short version of this is the Quaran or Muhammad says the bible (of his time around 7th Century AD) and all the prophets are true. Qe have access to the same bible of that time period today. So since the Bible is truth that makes Islam false. Case closed.

However, I don't even have to read the Quaran or the bible to prove the Quaran is false. I can simply demonstrate the history of Islam which proves it's just a cheap knock off of an ancient Pagan God worship which was created by a fake Christian religion in order to control the Arabs. The issue is, they didn't realize it would work so well. This archaic satanic death cult is now #2 in terms of population of religions on earth.

ISLAM

1) Islam was created by Rome circa 600 AC.
A.) Cardinal Bea, the Jesuit General instructed Alberta Rivera to take control of the Arabs and secure Jerusalem.
2) Mohammed was groomed by Augustinian monks in North Africa and was married to an ex-nun 15 years his senior.
3) This is why the Koran claims Jesus is a mere prophet.
4) The Koran has an entire chapter dedicated to Mary/Mariam (Romish Mary worship). Isis is Mary in the Catholic Church
5) The Pope is often seen kissing the Koran.
6) Muslims, like Papists, carry the rosary (prayer beads).
7.) Allah is the Moon God that married the sun Goddess.
8.) Allah is a pre Islamic name Corresponding to the Babylonian Bel.

Babylon images of Baal Worship just repackaged in a different controlled opposition religion thousands of years later in Islam as you can see the symbolism is similar.

As you can see here the Papacy or Rome which originally had the same pagan GOD worship, still uses these symbols today. Since murdering millions of Christians every year didn't work they decided to merge their sun God worship with Christianity. This enables them to over time control the Christians and trick them into worshipping their pagan God's.


A.) Robert A. Morey, Islam Unveiled: The True Desert Storm.
P. 46, 47-49
B.) Prof. Walter J. Veith,

 

[ryuken]

this son of a bitch was making threads attacking islam and calling the prophet a pedo and all kinds of blasphemous shit just a few months ago

and now has the audacity to judge and takfir ppl, clown world

Is this true saar