Blackpill PSL debunked - This is the face white women consider ideal and by far the most attractive IRL - Keep coping with your compact midface, wide face

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this is ideal

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Yeah I'll concede that tbh, I think almond eyes are ideal, and all though you can have hooded almond eyes it's harder
As was already said to us they seem ideal because we are intimidated by them and we misinterpret that as meaning women would prefer them for that effect. Women’s preferences have changed over time. Today there is no need to intimidate other men with overly masculine features so they can choose the most aesthetic faces instead. Big eyes are seen as attractive in both sexes actually there’s studies on that too. His eyes are properly developed. They aren’t buggish they just look universally attractive.
 
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As was already said to us they seem ideal because we are intimidated by them and we misinterpret that as meaning women would prefer them for that effect. Women’s preferences have changed over time. Today there is no need to intimidate other men with overly masculine features so they can choose the most aesthetic faces instead. Big eyes are seen as attractive in both sexes actually there’s studies on that too. His eyes are properly developed. They aren’t buggish they just look universally attractive.
Ngl dude, I look like this morph and have slightly large eyes so it's life fuel for me, but I'm also not biased in saying I don't think this is the pinnacle, I could dm you if you want jfl
 
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This is the commitee's camel. A mish mash of everyone's favorite features does not resemble the most desired face. Male models aren't exactly highest appeal to women either. This shit is too fuckin complicated bro.
 
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i may not be the best at morphing but the man i sent would have more irl appeal
wake up from your cope your morph’s appeal is infinitely lower
 
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This is the commitee's camel. A mish mash of everyone's favorite features does not resemble the most desired face. Male models aren't exactly highest appeal to women either. This shit is too fuckin complicated bro.
read the study. on a scale from 1 - 7 I believe he was rated as consistently 7 by all respondents. It took them some time but everyone agreed he is insanely attractive
 
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Cavill is similar enough. He also has a longish face with strong North Atlantid genes. It is just his more squarish jaw.
Cavil has a shorter than average midface and somewhat wide skull/face. Agreed he still has high appeal though.
 
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If this thread was actually true then this forum would just be full of ethnics
 
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Could conduct an experiment on this pretty easy tbh. Get high IQ morpher like @Taylorswift to morph the attractive guy to more PSL standards, maybe just the jaw or just their eyes and then both, etc, then see how females rate them
 
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Very true thread

However, I have often wished we would see how women act out these "preferences", in real life.
This may be all bullcrap, but it may not.
I, for one, believe this site is wayyy off on what foids find attractive.
Incels think foids want 100000000% dimorphism when in reality studies reflect they want around 85-90% dimorphism (approximately)

Once I get old enough to go to bars/clubs I'm gonna see for myself how girls really act around chads, it will be interesting
 
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@MaxillaIsEverything the guy i posed isnt even alien looking. He looks normal. I only changed his eyes a little. I didnt give him aggressive cheekbones or anythign.
 
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@MaxillaIsEverything the guy i posed isnt even alien looking. He looks normal. I only changed his eyes a little. I didnt give him aggressive cheekbones or anythign.
I am sorry he absolutely does not look normal. Very uncanny and definitely a change for the worse. If you don’t see that you are indeed extremely brainwashed
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Left guy is a million times more angelic and more attractive looking. Right looks intimidating, again not ideal, alien because of eye shape and growth stunted.
 
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idk man he looks normal to me. Definetly not uncanny looking.
women dont want to get intimidated. why do you think they are called hunter eyes. I dont think its possible to make a face that has broader and as high appeal as this prototype. Some might prefer certain faces slightly but everyone will agree he is at least attractive. Again some women would outright reject Barrett because of his looks. This would never happen to this guy. Realistically the only way I think he could improve would be to give him a striking eye color but they could not do that because that would have been reminiscent of the master race concept etc. Expressing a preference for eye color is considered racist to this day by society but the unspoken truth and what is the general consensus is that light blue is probably the best.
 
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women dont want to get intimidated. why do you think they are called hunter eyes. I dont think its possible to make a face that has broader and as high appeal as this prototype. Some might prefer certain faces slightly but everyone will agree he is at least attractive. Again some women would outright reject Barrett because of his looks. This would never happen to this guy. Realistically the only way I think he could improve would be to give him a striking eye color but they could not do that because that would have been reminiscent of the master race concept etc. Expressing a preference for eye color is considered racist to this day by society but the unspoken truth and what is the general consensus is that light blue is probably the best.
I wasnt aware that i gave him hunter eyes. I only got rid of his eyelids and moved his eyebrows further down and I dont really know what hunter eyes are. I really dont think the original guy is ideal, his jawline is too round and his face is too narrow. I agree that aggressive cheekbones/hollow cheeks dont always look the best which is why i morphed the guy only a tiny bit without changing too much. His features are too soft and he is average at most. My morph would definitely do well with women.
 
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Do you think PSL overstates the unattractiveness of a long philtrum?
 
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Do you think PSL overstates the unattractiveness of a long philtrum?
no. The prototypic face has an average sized one. Philtrums longer than that are still considered extremely unatractive and it does not take much to go from normal sized to repulsive territory. Up to a certain point it does not really affect harmony or attractiveness but beyond the upper range of what is acceptable it starts to really hurt your overall looks. Basically it can only ever be a failo
 
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no. The prototypic face has an average sized one. Philtrums longer than that are still considered extremely unatractive and it does not take much to go from normal sized to repulsive territory. Up to a certain point it does not really affect harmony or attractiveness but beyond the upper range of what is acceptable it starts to really hurt your overall looks. Basically it can only ever be a failo
Agreed, though I made a thread clean shaven vs stubble and although my philtrum is a subhuman almost 2cm, ppl literally said clean shaven descended me from HTN to 3-3.5PSL because of that. I thought it to be a bit exaggerated but yeah sure a long philtrum is terrible
 
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A lot of PSL understanding of what constitutes an attractive face is still heavily flawed. A lot of people still place way too much importance on characteristics such as a wide, square jaw or a wide face in general when in reality people do not consider them desirable, further evidenced by the proven low IRL appeal of someone like Barrett. Another misguided belief is the necessity of a compact midface in order to be good looking. Again, faces people judge as the most attractive ITL are actually on the longer side and have midface ratios of around 0.95. The preferred IRL face has a kind of angelic appearance resulting from a narrow face shape with high cheekbones that gradually tapers into a V jawline and pointed chin. The following study is still one of the best to date and in my opinion the one that is most similar to my experiences and observations IRL. They basically established prototype very attractive faces that their test subjects consistently rated as extremely attractive. A lot of people will be familiar with this study but it really is most representative of IRL preferences.
View attachment 811287
The study was done in Germany, so it is very useful for assessing the preferences of people with desirable and attractive phenotypes found in that region. In other words, what white people from central Europe consider ideal. If you want appeal to women with those phenotypes, these are the facial characteristics you should know are considered ideal and should aim for with your surgeries. Below are the preferred characteristics copied from the image so they are easier to read. Ones that are different from PSL idea of attractiveness are in bold, ones PSL agrees with are in standard font.

Characteristics that make an attractive face
  • Browner skin - pretty obvious, high collagen and Thom Strijd like complexion is seen as ideal here as well
    View attachment 811314
  • Narrower facial shape - One of the major differences with PSL ideology. Wide faces are NOT preferred IRL. Instead longer, narrower faces with better contouring around the cheek and jaw area are seen as ideal. The phenotype that matches this preference best is of course the North Atlantid.
    View attachment 811315 View attachment 811316
    While people on here might still disagree with mine and the study’s claims, the guy on the right would obviously be a terra Chad IRL and be able to slay the highest tier women on this planet - white Stacies
  • Less fat - also obvious
  • Fuller and more symmetrical lips - same as PSL
  • Darker eye brows - same as PSL
  • More and darker lashes - same as PSL
  • Upper half of the face broader in relation to the lower - This is again very different from PSL ideals. The ideal IRL face resembles an inverted triangle and there is a clear tapering off from the top to the bottom of face. This will give the face better contour around the cheekbones, jawline and chin and avoid a round or squared faced appearance.
  • Higher cheek bones - same as PSL
    View attachment 811337
  • Prominent lower jaw - not because it is overly wide, but because of the V taper. Women IRL often compliment certain guys’ on their jawlines when they do not match PSL criteria. Women IRL think someone like Beckham has a good jawline and his is very similar to the attractive prototype‘s face
    View attachment 811323
  • More prominent chin - PSL agrees with this for the most part, although IRL a more pointy chin is preferred instead of PSL square one
  • No receding brows - same as PSL
  • Thinner lids - Basically less UEE although some UEE still exists. So unsurprisingly no fully hooded hunter alien eyes
  • No wrinkles between nose and corner of the mouth - same as PSL, no nasolabial folds
Additional characteristics not stated below the images, but mentioned in the study or taken/measured from the prototype attractive face.

- No signs of balding - same as PSL
- ES ratio of around 0,46-0,47 - same as PSL
- Big Eyes (Almond Shape) with decent PFL - same as PSL, although they are not as vertically narrow. They are wide open with a lot
of iris show
- Normal sized philtrum -
not as short as PSL ideals but this is rather insignificant
- A slightly longish midface (0,95) - PSL prefers more compact midfaces, but often runs into contradictions as
lot of PSL gods have a 1,0 midface at best, often slightly below that

Link to the study (unfortunately is in German, but using translator should be fine. One of the most insightful studies on IRL attractiveness.
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS EXTREMELY BLACKPILLED STUDY. Studies like that are rare.)

Personally, the study’s findings line up exactly with my observations IRL in a white country in central Europe. Guys that look similar to the prototype example in my experience do extremely well and get with a lot of extremely attractive women.
You can continue living your life in denial about IRL preferences and continue going after PSL ideals or never let this terra Chad’s face leave your mind
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This is the IRL ideal you need to try and achieve to attract angelic god tier white women. One more time. Behold the Terra Chad
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JFL IF YOU DON’T THINK THIS IS MAX IRL APPEAL
but he ugly asf
a bit above avg
 
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Agreed, though I made a thread clean shaven vs stubble and although my philtrum is a subhuman almost 2cm, ppl literally said clean shaven descended me from HTN to 3-3.5PSL because of that. I thought it to be a bit exaggerated but yeah sure a long philtrum is terrible
I read the thread and I was in fact the one who commented that although you too had a feeling this was one of your main issues in your original post. Another thing with the prototype’s face is that his average sized philtrum is further offset by his comparatively long midface. His philtrum does not take up as much space as it does for you for example. So even if it might not be much bigger in absolute terms (although if I had to estimate from looking at this face it is probably about 15mm because I know what 15mm philtrums look like in isolation, so quite a bit smaller than yours and the 4-5mm are highly significant), other factors influence how it is perceived looking at the face as a whole. I would argue that his proportions are perfect for his face even though a 15 mm philtrum would be considered borderline too long in more compact faces for example
 
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I read the thread and I was in fact the one who commented that although you too had a feeling this was one of your main issues in your original post. Another thing with the prototype’s face is that his average sized philtrum is further offset by his comparatively long midface. His philtrum does not take up as much space as it does for you for example. So even if it might not be much bigger in absolute terms (although if I had to estimate from looking at this face it is probably about 15mm because I know what 15mm philtrums look like in isolation, so quite a bit smaller than yours and the 4-5mm are highly significant), other factors influence how it is perceived looking at the face as a whole. I would argue that his proportions are perfect for his face even though a 15 mm philtrum would be considered borderline too long in more compact faces for example
Hm yes I see it's all about harmony and proportions. Isn't long philtrum and wide face linked to prenatal T? Sometimes I think I was given too high a dosage :lul:. What I've noticed also is that long philtrums tend to be less of an issue in motion (IRL) than in pictures where it indeed looks weird
 
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(Skip to characteristics if TLDR)
A lot of PSL understanding of what constitutes an attractive face is still heavily flawed. A lot of people still place way too much importance on characteristics such as a wide, square jaw or a wide face in general when in reality people do not consider them desirable, further evidenced by the proven low IRL appeal of someone like Barrett. Another misguided belief is the necessity of a compact midface in order to be good looking. Again, faces people judge as the most attractive ITL are actually on the longer side and have midface ratios of around 0.95. The preferred IRL face has a kind of angelic appearance resulting from a narrow face shape with high cheekbones that gradually tapers into a V jawline and pointed chin. The following study is still one of the best to date and in my opinion the one that is most similar to my experiences and observations IRL. They basically established prototype very attractive faces that their test subjects consistently rated as extremely attractive. A lot of people will be familiar with this study but it really is most representative of IRL preferences.
View attachment 811287
The study was done in Germany, so it is very useful for assessing the preferences of people with desirable and attractive phenotypes found in that region. In other words, what white people from central Europe consider ideal. If you want appeal to women with those phenotypes, these are the facial characteristics you should know are considered ideal and should aim for with your surgeries. Below are the preferred characteristics copied from the image so they are easier to read. Ones that are different from PSL idea of attractiveness are in bold, ones PSL agrees with are in standard font.

Characteristics that make an attractive face
  • Browner skin - pretty obvious, high collagen and Thom Strijd like complexion is seen as ideal here as well
    View attachment 811314
  • Narrower facial shape - One of the major differences with PSL ideology. Wide faces are NOT preferred IRL. Instead longer, narrower faces with better contouring around the cheek and jaw area are seen as ideal. The phenotype that matches this preference best is of course the North Atlantid.
    View attachment 811315 View attachment 811316
    While people on here might still disagree with mine and the study’s claims, the guy on the right would obviously be a terra Chad IRL and be able to slay the highest tier women on this planet - white Stacies
  • Less fat - also obvious
  • Fuller and more symmetrical lips - same as PSL
  • Darker eye brows - same as PSL
  • More and darker lashes - same as PSL
  • Upper half of the face broader in relation to the lower - This is again very different from PSL ideals. The ideal IRL face resembles an inverted triangle and there is a clear tapering off from the top to the bottom of face. This will give the face better contour around the cheekbones, jawline and chin and avoid a round or squared faced appearance.
  • Higher cheek bones - same as PSL
    View attachment 811337
  • Prominent lower jaw - not because it is overly wide, but because of the V taper. Women IRL often compliment certain guys’ on their jawlines when they do not match PSL criteria. Women IRL think someone like Beckham has a good jawline and his is very similar to the attractive prototype‘s face
    View attachment 811323
  • More prominent chin - PSL agrees with this for the most part, although IRL a more pointy chin is preferred instead of PSL square one
  • No receding brows - same as PSL
  • Thinner lids - Basically less UEE although some UEE still exists. So unsurprisingly no fully hooded hunter alien eyes
  • No wrinkles between nose and corner of the mouth - same as PSL, no nasolabial folds
Additional characteristics not stated below the images, but mentioned in the study or taken/measured from the prototype attractive face.

- No signs of balding - same as PSL
- ES ratio of around 0,46-0,47 - same as PSL
- Big Eyes (Almond Shape) with decent PFL - same as PSL, although they are not as vertically narrow. They are wide open with a lot
of iris show
- Normal sized philtrum -
not as short as PSL ideals but this is rather insignificant
- A slightly longish midface (0,95) - PSL prefers more compact midfaces, but often runs into contradictions as
lot of PSL gods have a 1,0 midface at best, often slightly below that

Link to the study (unfortunately is in German, but using translator should be fine. One of the most insightful studies on IRL attractiveness.
I HIGHLY RECOMMEND THIS EXTREMELY BLACKPILLED STUDY. Studies like that are rare.)

Personally, the study’s findings line up exactly with my observations IRL in a white country in central Europe. Guys that look similar to the prototype example in my experience do extremely well and get with a lot of extremely attractive women.
You can continue living your life in denial about IRL preferences and continue going after PSL ideals or never let this terra Chad’s face leave your mind
View attachment 811330
This is the IRL ideal you need to try and achieve to attract angelic god tier white women. One more time. Behold the Terra Chad
View attachment 811349
JFL IF YOU DON’T THINK THIS IS MAX IRL APPEAL
One of the lowest IQ posts I've seen here TBH, thats not the ideal face by any means, attractive yes but not ideal.

And low IQ if you think you would slay any stacies with just that face and w/o anything else to offer
 
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Hm yes I see it's all about harmony and proportions. Isn't long philtrum and wide face linked to prenatal T? Sometimes I think I was given too high a dosage :lul:. What I've noticed also is that long philtrums tend to be less of an issue in motion (IRL) than in pictures where it indeed looks weird
Still disagree I think a long philtrum can completely ruin someone’s face and it’s even worse for women. It also makes you look old because it gets naturally longer with age. If you have a long philtrum which you obviously have you have to run cover up with beard. Essential looksmax. ngl actual treatment options for it are risky but I would still look into them
 
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One of the lowest IQ posts I've seen here TBH, thats not the ideal face by any means, attractive yes but not ideal.

And low IQ if you think you would slay any stacies with just that face and w/o anything else to offer
he absolutely would slay the highest quality white women. Im sorry if you have any doubt about that your understanding of aesthetics and attractiveness is flawed. These were all WHITE women with nothing to gain from it all unanimously responding that this prototype looked most attractive to them. There were more masculine options to choose from but they didn’t
 
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boneless looking oval headed normie has the perfect face, good to know op :lul: :lul: :lul: :lul:
brb having them arranged in exactly the same way they are in his face. also jfl @ not overly prominent = boneless
Women legit all said they would fuck him just because of his looks
 
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Still disagree I think a long philtrum can completely ruin someone’s face and it’s even worse for women. It also makes you look old because it gets naturally longer with age. If you have a long philtrum which you obviously have you have to run cover up with beard. Essential looksmax. ngl actual treatment options for it are risky but I would still look into them
I agree, and I will run with light stubble until my deathbed from now on, but what I'm saying is that it's less of an issue IRL as the PSL community makes it out to be. In my life (where I used to be shaven for a long time) I've received comments (not counting compliments on eyes etc) on my big forehead and Norwood, rarely on my upturned nose, but never ever on my philtrum. Whereas in pictures it's the first thing I get told
 
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I think this is cope post tbh, I can name 50 people who would make this morph invisible to woman.
without status or money halo? To some women? maybe but not nearly as universal in their appeal
 
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I agree, and I will run with light stubble until my deathbed from now on, but what I'm saying is that it's less of an issue IRL as the PSL community makes it out to be. In my life (where I used to be shaven for a long time) I've received comments (not counting compliments on eyes etc) on my big forehead and Norwood, rarely on my upturned nose, but never ever on my philtrum. Whereas in pictures it's the first thing I get told
most normies probably arent even aware of the structure and its name. To them you just look unattactive they cant really tell you why. Nose seems like the next best explanation it being close to the philtrum and being in the area affected the most. (midface/mouth region)
 
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what about lips, nose, and scleral show? Elab the study cba low attention span
 
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