Question for atheists (especially American) on the forum regarding burden of proof.

[Aladin]

In recent times in USA politics, people have accused Trump of “inciting violence” on January 6th, 2021. However Trump said to protest “peacefully and patriotically.” Many people who are against Trump will claim he didn’t really mean it and actually was advocating for violence. But can this be proven? Shouldn’t the burden of proof lie on the person making the claim? Atheists will claim theists need to “prove” God exists but at the same time support the Democratic Party which means they will claim Trump was inciting violence, shouldn’t this require proof?

 

[JasGews69x]

Atheists are inconsistent
What can you expect?

 

[Aladin]

Atheists are inconsistent
What can you expect?

I’m well aware I just wanna see how they’d rationalize this or if they will own up to their own bullshit.

 

[Aladin]

@Gaygymmaxx

In recent times in USA politics, people have accused Trump of “inciting violence” on January 6th, 2021. However Trump said to protest “peacefully and patriotically.” Many people who are against Trump will claim he didn’t really mean it and actually was advocating for violence. But can this be proven? Shouldn’t the burden of proof lie on the person making the claim? Atheists will claim theists need to “prove” God exists but at the same time support the Democratic Party which means they will claim Trump was inciting violence, shouldn’t this require proof?

 

[Aladin]

In recent times in USA politics, people have accused Trump of “inciting violence” on January 6th, 2021. However Trump said to protest “peacefully and patriotically.” Many people who are against Trump will claim he didn’t really mean it and actually was advocating for violence. But can this be proven? Shouldn’t the burden of proof lie on the person making the claim? Atheists will claim theists need to “prove” God exists but at the same time support the Democratic Party which means they will claim Trump was inciting violence, shouldn’t this require proof?

@Gaygymmaxx can I please get a response?

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

In recent times in USA politics, people have accused Trump of “inciting violence” on January 6th, 2021. However Trump said to protest “peacefully and patriotically.” Many people who are against Trump will claim he didn’t really mean it and actually was advocating for violence. But can this be proven? Shouldn’t the burden of proof lie on the person making the claim? Atheists will claim theists need to “prove” God exists but at the same time support the Democratic Party which means they will claim Trump was inciting violence, shouldn’t this require proof?

The main criticism is that trump was reported to be sitting in his office watching the mayhem and not doing anything

Now I don't really know if a tweet from the Donald would just clear everybody out

But he did tweet later, I think? I don't remember exactly what he tweeted but he eventually told them to leave or some shit

I don't really blame big dick Donald but him not trying to stop it is the actual main issue imo

He told NOBODY to be violent, I agree

 

[Aladin]

The main criticism is that trump was reported to be sitting in his office watching the mayhem and not doing anything

The main criticism was he told people to “fight” in his speech.

Now I don't really know if a tweet from the Donald would just clear everybody out

It wouldn’t.

But he did tweet later, I think? I don't remember exactly what he tweeted but he eventually told them to leave or some shit

I don't really blame big dick Donald but him not trying to stop it is the actual main issue imo


He told NOBODY to be violent, I agree

Bingo, which is why burden of proof in this case means Trump is innocent.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Atheists are inconsistent
What can you expect?

Atheists are the true Dunya

 

[JasGews69x]

Atheists are the true Dunya

? jfl

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

The main criticism was he told people to “fight” in his speech.

It wouldn’t.

Bingo, which is why burden of proof in this case means Trump is innocent.

Ok cool you're clearly instantly shooting things down with little to no consideration and a throughly closed mind

What did he tweet? And don't you think he should have done it earlier?

Can you have a conversation ?

I voted for trump but your behavior is quite annoying

 

[vanillaicecream]

How would one even go about proving that??? That seems more like a subjective thing that boils down to opinions. Really nothing to do with a claim of the objective existence of something. I don’t support nor dislike Trump but this was a silly comparison.

 

[Aladin]

Ok cool you're clearly instantly shooting things down with little to no consideration and a throughly closed mind

I don’t have a closed mind.

What did he tweet? And don't you think he should have done it earlier?

I don’t know.

Can you have a conversation ?

I voted for trump but your behavior is quite annoying

I can have a conversation.

 

[Aladin]

How would one even go about proving that??? That seems more like a subjective thing that boils down to opinions. Really nothing to do with a claim of the objective existence of something. I don’t support nor dislike Trump but this was a silly comparison.

It’s not a subjective thing. Trump either intended to cause violence or not. Subjective is whether vanilla or chocolate is the best ice cream flavor.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

? jfl

They worship this world and Dunya is in relation to this world so yes Gaytheists are DUNYA lords their super power is DUNYAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA

 

[vanillaicecream]

It’s not a subjective thing. Trump either intended to cause violence or not. Subjective is where vanilla or chocolate is the best ice cream flavor.

So you think it's possible to delve into trumps mind to prove what his true intention was? thats a funny idea of objective and burden of proof you got there.

 

[Aladin]

So you think it's possible to delve into trumps mind to prove what his true intention was?

Who said I did?

thats a funny idea of objective and burden of proof you got there.

No it’s calling out bullshit.

 

[Whatever]

Not all non-religious people or atheists (and even that’s not the same thing) are on the political left, it’s you that’s making that connection. I don’t like the woke Democrats because they sound like obnoxious religious people now, with the making shit up and also the moral policing and dogmas. I’m not on the right either, I’m neither, both are stupid cookie cutter ideologies.

 

[whitebitchslayer]

I’m an American atheist but I rly couldn’t care less if god exists or if it can be proven. I just don’t want to worship a being other than myself

 

[Aladin]

Not all non-religious people or atheists (and even that’s not the same thing) are on the political left, it’s you that’s making that connection.

I was referring to self proclaimed atheists, in America the vast majority of self identified atheists are on the left.

 

[Whatever]

I was referring to self proclaimed atheists, in America the vast majority of self identified atheists are on the left.

If anything vocal atheism peaked about 10 years ago and now all I hear is the obnoxious religious right and the obnoxious pseudo-religious left. Leftists in the 2020s might not be religious but they don’t include much criticism of religion as part of their discourse and they often co-opt religion, especially Lutheran and Episcopal churches are pretty woke, things are different now.

But to answer your question. The secular left knows to question a book written on the other side of the planet 2,000 years ago but not the agenda laden modern media. The religious right is the other way around. Both sides limit how much of their brain is working.

 

[Aladin]

But to answer your question.

My question was about Trump.