Rad140 vs LGD-4033 vs LGD-3033 which one?

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Hello people of knowledge.

I have been looking for a shortcut in my Physical Body development.

Currently i am a skinny 17.5 year old, 190cm, 66kg, 10% bodyfat. I do only have like 1 Month experience, you may call me lazy and stupid for not atleast training 1 year and maybe i am. But i just can‘t be skinny anymore, when i go outside with a T-Shirt on, and feel like people are looking (which they probably arent, it makes me depressed).

So i have decided to take SARMs due to not being able to inject Peptides or Roids, cuz i still live with my parents and have no chance in explaining or getting away with it.

I have informed myself about RAD140, LGD-4033 and LGD-3033 but now i need your help to learn from your experiences, i am looking at doing an 8 week cycle with either one of these SARMs, adding Mk-667 (20mg) + Enclomiphene (12.5mg during cycle) + proper PCT.

Eating and training plan: Upper/Lower, 3500kcal 250g Protein.

What i dont wanna risk is longterm infertility, thats my only worry, i have everything else to protect my cholesterine and Liver.

I am looking to gain 10kg within 3 months, mostly lean muscle so i dont loose all gains after cycle. What do yall think is the best for muscle gain, which is best for fertility safety, and which is best overall. Any advices for or against Sarms im ready to hear.

Thanks for taking your time reading allat.
(Before mk hate comes in i need it for appetite due to me getting full fast).
 
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LGD-4033 10mg is the best option. Add atleast hCG as a test base and replace your PCT with it as well. 10kg of muscle mass is unrealistic.
 
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Hello people of knowledge.

I have been looking for a shortcut in my Physical Body development.

Currently i am a skinny 17.5 year old, 190cm, 66kg, 10% bodyfat. I do only have like 1 Month experience, you may call me lazy and stupid for not atleast training 1 year and maybe i am. But i just can‘t be skinny anymore, when i go outside with a T-Shirt on, and feel like people are looking (which they probably arent, it makes me depressed).

So i have decided to take SARMs due to not being able to inject Peptides or Roids, cuz i still live with my parents and have no chance in explaining or getting away with it.

I have informed myself about RAD140, LGD-4033 and LGD-3033 but now i need your help to learn from your experiences, i am looking at doing an 8 week cycle with either one of these SARMs, adding Mk-667 (20mg) + Enclomiphene (12.5mg during cycle) + proper PCT.

Eating and training plan: Upper/Lower, 3500kcal 250g Protein.

What i dont wanna risk is longterm infertility, thats my only worry, i have everything else to protect my cholesterine and Liver.

I am looking to gain 10kg within 3 months, mostly lean muscle so i dont loose all gains after cycle. What do yall think is the best for muscle gain, which is best for fertility safety, and which is best overall. Any advices for or against Sarms im ready to hear.

Thanks for taking your time reading allat.
(Before mk hate comes in i need it for appetite due to me getting full fast).
why are ya'll so afraid of test:lul:

orals should be add ons to your base injectables it makes it way less complicated and you don’t have to worry about pct etc because you can just cruise for life with hcg cycling
 
LGD-4033 10mg is the best option. Add atleast hCG as a test base and replace your PCT with it as well. 10kg of muscle mass is unrealistic.
you can run lgd4033 with other orals too since it ain’t bad for your liver

absolute mogger sarm
 
why are ya'll so afraid of test:lul:

orals should be add ons to your base injectables it makes it way less complicated and you don’t have to worry about pct etc because you can just cruise for life with hcg cycling
As i said i cant inject due to me living with my parents, thank you tho appreciate it
 
you can run lgd4033 with other orals too since it ain’t bad for your liver

absolute mogger sarm
I only see that SARM in the context of a beginner cycle since the lack of androgenicity makes it easy to manage side effects.

LGD-4033 does elevate liver enzymes.*

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The only real worries and their solutions are:

Lipids -> statins, ezetimibe, SR9009, retatrutide, etc.
Elevated liver enzymes -> TUDCA, NAC, milk thistle, etc.
As i said i cant inject due to me living with my parents, thank you tho appreciate it
Then don't touch gear. Life is simple if you know what you are doing, you don't know shit and it's completely imperative to use a test base (includes hCG).
 
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I only see that SARM in the context of a beginner cycle since the lack of androgenicity makes it easy to manage side effects.

LGD-4033 does elevate liver enzymes.*

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The only real worries and their solutions are:

Lipids -> statins, ezetimibe, SR9009, retatrutide, etc.
Elevated liver enzymes -> TUDCA, NAC, milk thistle, etc.

Then don't touch gear. Life is simple if you know what you are doing, you don't know shit and it's completely imperative to use a test base (includes hCG).
Why do you say so? Keeping test not totally shutdown with enclo will prevent loads of low test side effects? I would def use test but as i said i cant, and i have to use something, i cant be natty for 2 years which gains i could achieve in 3-6 months
 
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Hello people of knowledge.

I have been looking for a shortcut in my Physical Body development.

Currently i am a skinny 17.5 year old, 190cm, 66kg, 10% bodyfat. I do only have like 1 Month experience, you may call me lazy and stupid for not atleast training 1 year and maybe i am. But i just can‘t be skinny anymore, when i go outside with a T-Shirt on, and feel like people are looking (which they probably arent, it makes me depressed).

So i have decided to take SARMs due to not being able to inject Peptides or Roids, cuz i still live with my parents and have no chance in explaining or getting away with it.

I have informed myself about RAD140, LGD-4033 and LGD-3033 but now i need your help to learn from your experiences, i am looking at doing an 8 week cycle with either one of these SARMs, adding Mk-667 (20mg) + Enclomiphene (12.5mg during cycle) + proper PCT.

Eating and training plan: Upper/Lower, 3500kcal 250g Protein.

What i dont wanna risk is longterm infertility, thats my only worry, i have everything else to protect my cholesterine and Liver.

I am looking to gain 10kg within 3 months, mostly lean muscle so i dont loose all gains after cycle. What do yall think is the best for muscle gain, which is best for fertility safety, and which is best overall. Any advices for or against Sarms im ready to hear.

Thanks for taking your time reading allat.
(Before mk hate comes in i need it for appetite due to me getting full fast).
Just Do lgd
 
Hello people of knowledge.

I have been looking for a shortcut in my Physical Body development.

Currently i am a skinny 17.5 year old, 190cm, 66kg, 10% bodyfat. I do only have like 1 Month experience, you may call me lazy and stupid for not atleast training 1 year and maybe i am. But i just can‘t be skinny anymore, when i go outside with a T-Shirt on, and feel like people are looking (which they probably arent, it makes me depressed).

So i have decided to take SARMs due to not being able to inject Peptides or Roids, cuz i still live with my parents and have no chance in explaining or getting away with it.

I have informed myself about RAD140, LGD-4033 and LGD-3033 but now i need your help to learn from your experiences, i am looking at doing an 8 week cycle with either one of these SARMs, adding Mk-667 (20mg) + Enclomiphene (12.5mg during cycle) + proper PCT.

Eating and training plan: Upper/Lower, 3500kcal 250g Protein.

What i dont wanna risk is longterm infertility, thats my only worry, i have everything else to protect my cholesterine and Liver.

I am looking to gain 10kg within 3 months, mostly lean muscle so i dont loose all gains after cycle. What do yall think is the best for muscle gain, which is best for fertility safety, and which is best overall. Any advices for or against Sarms im ready to hear.

Thanks for taking your time reading allat.
(Before mk hate comes in i need it for appetite due to me getting full fast).
im same age, similar height and experience but rn im 80kg.

personally im gonna hop on lgd4033 for 1.5-2 months (1 week 3mg, 2 weeks 5mg, 1 week 10mg, 2 weeks 5mg then 1week 1mg - all dosed everyday) without any PCT or test base (too broke :feelswhy::feelswhy:)

shouldnt fuck ur test a lot since its only for a few weeks. But it depends how long u take it for. although I hear a lot of people saying u never wanna go past 8 weeks of use for LGD bcs the supression will start to really kick in. 10kg in 3months is possible with lgd
 
im same age, similar height and experience but rn im 80kg.

personally im gonna hop on lgd4033 for 1.5-2 months (1 week 3mg, 2 weeks 5mg, 1 week 10mg, 2 weeks 5mg then 1week 1mg - all dosed everyday) without any PCT or test base (too broke :feelswhy::feelswhy:)

shouldnt fuck ur test a lot since its only for a few weeks. But it depends how long u take it for. although I hear a lot of people saying u never wanna go past 8 weeks of use for LGD bcs the supression will start to really kick in. 10kg in 3months is possible with lgd
Bro please use pct🙏 a study in lgd has shown that males had 0.1mg lgd-4033 for 21 days and their LH got suppressed severely.
 
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Dalton et al., 2013
Title: “The selective androgen receptor modulator LGD-4033 increases lean body mass and strength in healthy men.”

Read it
read it. saw a post directly addressing it on r/PEDsR:

The return to baseline is important. Free test, SHBG, LH, and FSH all returned to baseline, regardless of dose (0.1mg, 0.3mg and 1mg respectively).
All that said, the incidence of low T post cycle and the impatience of research subjects in returning their T levels to within a normal range turn many within r/PEDs to PCT. While I don't believe PCT is necessary based on the data I've reviewed here, perhaps there are other factors in play that I'm not considering where PCT would be beneficial. And/or, SARMs are an emerging product and it's very possible we don't know everything just yet and positions on this topic may evolve. Ultimately, you're responsible for your own health, risks and decisions and should plan accordingly. Please also factor the incidence, however small, of adulterated product such as Winstrol/oral AAS and prohormones being sold as SARMs.
just to note, before someone comes and says 'well we use 5-10mg so this doesnt apply'.

Well 0.1mg to 1.0mg is a factor of 10. From the graphs within the study you can clearly see the pattern and trend. The trend and pattern will continue all the way to 10mg and beyond. e.g LH will not get suppressed at any dose, but other parameters will change as per trend

Conclusion: No. A SERM (what is used in PCT) increases FSH (as well as LH), which will help users recover from a low testosterone state given SARMs lower FSH. However the 2013 study on LGD (a good proxy for SARMs in general) showed that subjects returned to baseline 35 days after discontinuing the compound. Therefore, my recommendation is to avoid PCT unless low T symptoms persist beyond 4-5 weeks after discontinuing SARM.


I dont have any plans to use PCT for my cycle.:feelsgood::feelsgood::feelsgood:

just get on it and have the PCT on standby if u get gyno for example or low T symptons for longer than 4-5 weeks as mentioned
 
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read it. saw a post directly addressing it on r/PEDsR:

The return to baseline is important. Free test, SHBG, LH, and FSH all returned to baseline, regardless of dose (0.1mg, 0.3mg and 1mg respectively).
All that said, the incidence of low T post cycle and the impatience of research subjects in returning their T levels to within a normal range turn many within r/PEDs to PCT. While I don't believe PCT is necessary based on the data I've reviewed here, perhaps there are other factors in play that I'm not considering where PCT would be beneficial. And/or, SARMs are an emerging product and it's very possible we don't know everything just yet and positions on this topic may evolve. Ultimately, you're responsible for your own health, risks and decisions and should plan accordingly. Please also factor the incidence, however small, of adulterated product such as Winstrol/oral AAS and prohormones being sold as SARMs.
just to note, before someone comes and says 'well we use 5-10mg so this doesnt apply'.

Well 0.1mg to 1.0mg is a factor of 10. From the graphs within the study you can clearly see the pattern and trend. The trend and pattern will continue all the way to 10mg and beyond. e.g LH will not get suppressed at any dose, but other parameters will change as per trend

Conclusion: No. A SERM (what is used in PCT) increases FSH (as well as LH), which will help users recover from a low testosterone state given SARMs lower FSH. However the 2013 study on LGD (a good proxy for SARMs in general) showed that subjects returned to baseline 35 days after discontinuing the compound. Therefore, my recommendation is to avoid PCT unless low T symptoms persist beyond 4-5 weeks after discontinuing SARM.


I dont have any plans to use PCT for my cycle.:feelsgood::feelsgood::feelsgood:

just get on it and have the PCT on standby if u get gyno for example or low T symptons for longer than 4-5 weeks as mentioned
Ig do what you want, its just risking more, the results were showing that the higher the dose the higher the suppression, and we arent talking about you taking 1mg, no u r averaging like 5mg which is 5x the amount used in the study! Do what you want ig, but you will suffer from low test after cycle which will affect the upcoming weeks performance, side effects, muscle gain and even already gained muscle. Enclomiphene is per my research the go to SERM, little to no side effects, it isnt expensive, so yeah do what you want but the evidence is clear and dont forget, your using 5x the amount
 

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Ig do what you want, its just risking more, the results were showing that the higher the dose the higher the suppression, and we arent talking about you taking 1mg, no u r averaging like 5mg which is 5x the amount used in the study! Do what you want ig, but you will suffer from low test after cycle which will affect the upcoming weeks performance, side effects, muscle gain and even already gained muscle. Enclomiphene is per my research the go to SERM, little to no side effects, it isnt expensive, so yeah do what you want but the evidence is clear and dont forget, your using 5x the amount
0.1mg dose and 1mg dose both recoverred same time without pct. thats a 10x increase.

Obviously im not going to take this to the extreme, but 5mg and 10mg would therefore be fine, but I may not even do 10mg, depends on my reaction to 5mg.

but I appreciate your help, also rep my posts
 
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