Rad140 vs LGD-4033 vs LGD-3033 which one?

[MK 6-7]

Hello people of knowledge.

I have been looking for a shortcut in my Physical Body development.

Currently i am a skinny 17.5 year old, 190cm, 66kg, 10% bodyfat. I do only have like 1 Month experience, you may call me lazy and stupid for not atleast training 1 year and maybe i am. But i just can‘t be skinny anymore, when i go outside with a T-Shirt on, and feel like people are looking (which they probably arent, it makes me depressed).

So i have decided to take SARMs due to not being able to inject Peptides or Roids, cuz i still live with my parents and have no chance in explaining or getting away with it.

I have informed myself about RAD140, LGD-4033 and LGD-3033 but now i need your help to learn from your experiences, i am looking at doing an 8 week cycle with either one of these SARMs, adding Mk-667 (20mg) + Enclomiphene (12.5mg during cycle) + proper PCT.

Eating and training plan: Upper/Lower, 3500kcal 250g Protein.

What i dont wanna risk is longterm infertility, thats my only worry, i have everything else to protect my cholesterine and Liver.

I am looking to gain 10kg within 3 months, mostly lean muscle so i dont loose all gains after cycle. What do yall think is the best for muscle gain, which is best for fertility safety, and which is best overall. Any advices for or against Sarms im ready to hear.

Thanks for taking your time reading allat.
(Before mk hate comes in i need it for appetite due to me getting full fast).

 

[SlayerJonas]

LGD-4033 10mg is the best option. Add atleast hCG as a test base and replace your PCT with it as well. 10kg of muscle mass is unrealistic.

 

[techmaxx]

you can still take roids theyre just gonna nuke your liver lol

 

[ybuyhgui]

you can still take roids theyre just gonna nuke your liver lol

lgd isn’t hepatoxic at all buddy

 

[ybuyhgui]

Hello people of knowledge.

I have been looking for a shortcut in my Physical Body development.

Currently i am a skinny 17.5 year old, 190cm, 66kg, 10% bodyfat. I do only have like 1 Month experience, you may call me lazy and stupid for not atleast training 1 year and maybe i am. But i just can‘t be skinny anymore, when i go outside with a T-Shirt on, and feel like people are looking (which they probably arent, it makes me depressed).

So i have decided to take SARMs due to not being able to inject Peptides or Roids, cuz i still live with my parents and have no chance in explaining or getting away with it.

I have informed myself about RAD140, LGD-4033 and LGD-3033 but now i need your help to learn from your experiences, i am looking at doing an 8 week cycle with either one of these SARMs, adding Mk-667 (20mg) + Enclomiphene (12.5mg during cycle) + proper PCT.

Eating and training plan: Upper/Lower, 3500kcal 250g Protein.

What i dont wanna risk is longterm infertility, thats my only worry, i have everything else to protect my cholesterine and Liver.

I am looking to gain 10kg within 3 months, mostly lean muscle so i dont loose all gains after cycle. What do yall think is the best for muscle gain, which is best for fertility safety, and which is best overall. Any advices for or against Sarms im ready to hear.

Thanks for taking your time reading allat.
(Before mk hate comes in i need it for appetite due to me getting full fast).

why are ya'll so afraid of test

orals should be add ons to your base injectables it makes it way less complicated and you don’t have to worry about pct etc because you can just cruise for life with hcg cycling

 

[ybuyhgui]

LGD-4033 10mg is the best option. Add atleast hCG as a test base and replace your PCT with it as well. 10kg of muscle mass is unrealistic.

you can run lgd4033 with other orals too since it ain’t bad for your liver

absolute mogger sarm

 

[MK 6-7]

LGD-4033 10mg is the best option. Add atleast hCG as a test base and replace your PCT with it as well. 10kg of muscle mass is unrealistic.

As i said i cant inject due to me living with my parents, thank you tho appreciate it

 

[MK 6-7]

why are ya'll so afraid of test

orals should be add ons to your base injectables it makes it way less complicated and you don’t have to worry about pct etc because you can just cruise for life with hcg cycling

As i said i cant inject due to me living with my parents, thank you tho appreciate it

 

[MK 6-7]

you can run lgd4033 with other orals too since it ain’t bad for your liver

absolute mogger sarm

Thank you

 

[SlayerJonas]

you can run lgd4033 with other orals too since it ain’t bad for your liver

absolute mogger sarm

I only see that SARM in the context of a beginner cycle since the lack of androgenicity makes it easy to manage side effects.

LGD-4033 does elevate liver enzymes.*

The only real worries and their solutions are:

Lipids -> statins, ezetimibe, SR9009, retatrutide, etc.
Elevated liver enzymes -> TUDCA, NAC, milk thistle, etc.

As i said i cant inject due to me living with my parents, thank you tho appreciate it

Then don't touch gear. Life is simple if you know what you are doing, you don't know shit and it's completely imperative to use a test base (includes hCG).

 

[MK 6-7]

you can still take roids theyre just gonna nuke your liver lol

I cant inject due to living with my parents

 

[MK 6-7]

I only see that SARM in the context of a beginner cycle since the lack of androgenicity makes it easy to manage side effects.

LGD-4033 does elevate liver enzymes.*

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The only real worries and their solutions are:

Lipids -> statins, ezetimibe, SR9009, retatrutide, etc.
Elevated liver enzymes -> TUDCA, NAC, milk thistle, etc.

Then don't touch gear. Life is simple if you know what you are doing, you don't know shit and it's completely imperative to use a test base (includes hCG).

Why do you say so? Keeping test not totally shutdown with enclo will prevent loads of low test side effects? I would def use test but as i said i cant, and i have to use something, i cant be natty for 2 years which gains i could achieve in 3-6 months

 

[ybuyhgui]

damn i've been lied to

although it is still easier on the liver than pretty much every other oral

 

[techmaxx]

I cant inject due to living with my parents

orals (superdrol, anadrol, primo)

 

[techmaxx]

lgd isn’t hepatoxic at all buddy

not talking about lgd buddy

 

[hayden_sub5]

J

Hello people of knowledge.

I have been looking for a shortcut in my Physical Body development.

Currently i am a skinny 17.5 year old, 190cm, 66kg, 10% bodyfat. I do only have like 1 Month experience, you may call me lazy and stupid for not atleast training 1 year and maybe i am. But i just can‘t be skinny anymore, when i go outside with a T-Shirt on, and feel like people are looking (which they probably arent, it makes me depressed).

So i have decided to take SARMs due to not being able to inject Peptides or Roids, cuz i still live with my parents and have no chance in explaining or getting away with it.

I have informed myself about RAD140, LGD-4033 and LGD-3033 but now i need your help to learn from your experiences, i am looking at doing an 8 week cycle with either one of these SARMs, adding Mk-667 (20mg) + Enclomiphene (12.5mg during cycle) + proper PCT.

Eating and training plan: Upper/Lower, 3500kcal 250g Protein.

What i dont wanna risk is longterm infertility, thats my only worry, i have everything else to protect my cholesterine and Liver.

I am looking to gain 10kg within 3 months, mostly lean muscle so i dont loose all gains after cycle. What do yall think is the best for muscle gain, which is best for fertility safety, and which is best overall. Any advices for or against Sarms im ready to hear.

Thanks for taking your time reading allat.
(Before mk hate comes in i need it for appetite due to me getting full fast).

Just Do lgd

 

[ybuyhgui]

not talking about lgd buddy

so not relevant then is it bud

 

[techmaxx]

so not relevant then is it bud

it is because he mentioned not being able to take injectables but theres still oral roids

 

[ybuyhgui]

it is because he mentioned not being able to take injectables but theres still oral roids

I suppose so

 

[MK 6-7]

orals (superdrol, anadrol, primo)

Arent they less effective but more suppressive

 

[MK 6-7]

J

Just Do lgd

Which one?

 

[techmaxx]

Arent they less effective but more suppressive

superdrol works like a charm but they‘re so much more liver toxic than injectables

 

[MK 6-7]

superdrol works like a charm but they‘re so much more liver toxic than injectables

Have you had experience with it

 

[MK 6-7]

superdrol works like a charm but they‘re so much more liver toxic than injectables

Isnt that like at the same side effect level as tren? Or even worse it wrecks cholesteril and liver

 

[ybuyhgui]

Isnt that like at the same side effect level as tren? Or even worse it wrecks cholesteril and liver

stronger than tren and more harmful

 

[MK 6-7]

stronger than tren and more harmful

Yeah, as i said im not trynna play with my fertility js like that

 

[techmaxx]

Have you had experience with it

ill take some soon and give you feedback

 

[MK 6-7]

ill take some soon and give you feedback

Aight ig

 

[arabcell]

Hello people of knowledge.

I have been looking for a shortcut in my Physical Body development.

Currently i am a skinny 17.5 year old, 190cm, 66kg, 10% bodyfat. I do only have like 1 Month experience, you may call me lazy and stupid for not atleast training 1 year and maybe i am. But i just can‘t be skinny anymore, when i go outside with a T-Shirt on, and feel like people are looking (which they probably arent, it makes me depressed).

So i have decided to take SARMs due to not being able to inject Peptides or Roids, cuz i still live with my parents and have no chance in explaining or getting away with it.

I have informed myself about RAD140, LGD-4033 and LGD-3033 but now i need your help to learn from your experiences, i am looking at doing an 8 week cycle with either one of these SARMs, adding Mk-667 (20mg) + Enclomiphene (12.5mg during cycle) + proper PCT.

Eating and training plan: Upper/Lower, 3500kcal 250g Protein.

What i dont wanna risk is longterm infertility, thats my only worry, i have everything else to protect my cholesterine and Liver.

I am looking to gain 10kg within 3 months, mostly lean muscle so i dont loose all gains after cycle. What do yall think is the best for muscle gain, which is best for fertility safety, and which is best overall. Any advices for or against Sarms im ready to hear.

Thanks for taking your time reading allat.
(Before mk hate comes in i need it for appetite due to me getting full fast).

im same age, similar height and experience but rn im 80kg.

personally im gonna hop on lgd4033 for 1.5-2 months (1 week 3mg, 2 weeks 5mg, 1 week 10mg, 2 weeks 5mg then 1week 1mg - all dosed everyday) without any PCT or test base (too broke )

shouldnt fuck ur test a lot since its only for a few weeks. But it depends how long u take it for. although I hear a lot of people saying u never wanna go past 8 weeks of use for LGD bcs the supression will start to really kick in. 10kg in 3months is possible with lgd

 

[MK 6-7]

im same age, similar height and experience but rn im 80kg.

personally im gonna hop on lgd4033 for 1.5-2 months (1 week 3mg, 2 weeks 5mg, 1 week 10mg, 2 weeks 5mg then 1week 1mg - all dosed everyday) without any PCT or test base (too broke )

shouldnt fuck ur test a lot since its only for a few weeks. But it depends how long u take it for. although I hear a lot of people saying u never wanna go past 8 weeks of use for LGD bcs the supression will start to really kick in. 10kg in 3months is possible with lgd

Bro please use pct a study in lgd has shown that males had 0.1mg lgd-4033 for 21 days and their LH got suppressed severely.

 

[arabcell]

Bro please use pct a study in lgd has shown that males had 0.1mg lgd-4033 for 21 days and their LH got suppressed severely.

Show me the study

 

[MK 6-7]

Show me the study

Dalton et al., 2013
Title: “The selective androgen receptor modulator LGD-4033 increases lean body mass and strength in healthy men.”

Read it

 

[arabcell]

Dalton et al., 2013
Title: “The selective androgen receptor modulator LGD-4033 increases lean body mass and strength in healthy men.”

Read it

read it. saw a post directly addressing it on r/PEDsR:

The return to baseline is important. Free test, SHBG, LH, and FSH all returned to baseline, regardless of dose (0.1mg, 0.3mg and 1mg respectively).
All that said, the incidence of low T post cycle and the impatience of research subjects in returning their T levels to within a normal range turn many within r/PEDs to PCT. While I don't believe PCT is necessary based on the data I've reviewed here, perhaps there are other factors in play that I'm not considering where PCT would be beneficial. And/or, SARMs are an emerging product and it's very possible we don't know everything just yet and positions on this topic may evolve. Ultimately, you're responsible for your own health, risks and decisions and should plan accordingly. Please also factor the incidence, however small, of adulterated product such as Winstrol/oral AAS and prohormones being sold as SARMs.
just to note, before someone comes and says 'well we use 5-10mg so this doesnt apply'.

Well 0.1mg to 1.0mg is a factor of 10. From the graphs within the study you can clearly see the pattern and trend. The trend and pattern will continue all the way to 10mg and beyond. e.g LH will not get suppressed at any dose, but other parameters will change as per trend

Conclusion: No. A SERM (what is used in PCT) increases FSH (as well as LH), which will help users recover from a low testosterone state given SARMs lower FSH. However the 2013 study on LGD (a good proxy for SARMs in general) showed that subjects returned to baseline 35 days after discontinuing the compound. Therefore, my recommendation is to avoid PCT unless low T symptoms persist beyond 4-5 weeks after discontinuing SARM.

I dont have any plans to use PCT for my cycle.

just get on it and have the PCT on standby if u get gyno for example or low T symptons for longer than 4-5 weeks as mentioned

 

[MK 6-7]

read it. saw a post directly addressing it on r/PEDsR:

The return to baseline is important. Free test, SHBG, LH, and FSH all returned to baseline, regardless of dose (0.1mg, 0.3mg and 1mg respectively).
All that said, the incidence of low T post cycle and the impatience of research subjects in returning their T levels to within a normal range turn many within r/PEDs to PCT. While I don't believe PCT is necessary based on the data I've reviewed here, perhaps there are other factors in play that I'm not considering where PCT would be beneficial. And/or, SARMs are an emerging product and it's very possible we don't know everything just yet and positions on this topic may evolve. Ultimately, you're responsible for your own health, risks and decisions and should plan accordingly. Please also factor the incidence, however small, of adulterated product such as Winstrol/oral AAS and prohormones being sold as SARMs.
just to note, before someone comes and says 'well we use 5-10mg so this doesnt apply'.

Well 0.1mg to 1.0mg is a factor of 10. From the graphs within the study you can clearly see the pattern and trend. The trend and pattern will continue all the way to 10mg and beyond. e.g LH will not get suppressed at any dose, but other parameters will change as per trend

Conclusion: No. A SERM (what is used in PCT) increases FSH (as well as LH), which will help users recover from a low testosterone state given SARMs lower FSH. However the 2013 study on LGD (a good proxy for SARMs in general) showed that subjects returned to baseline 35 days after discontinuing the compound. Therefore, my recommendation is to avoid PCT unless low T symptoms persist beyond 4-5 weeks after discontinuing SARM.

I dont have any plans to use PCT for my cycle.

just get on it and have the PCT on standby if u get gyno for example or low T symptons for longer than 4-5 weeks as mentioned

Ig do what you want, its just risking more, the results were showing that the higher the dose the higher the suppression, and we arent talking about you taking 1mg, no u r averaging like 5mg which is 5x the amount used in the study! Do what you want ig, but you will suffer from low test after cycle which will affect the upcoming weeks performance, side effects, muscle gain and even already gained muscle. Enclomiphene is per my research the go to SERM, little to no side effects, it isnt expensive, so yeah do what you want but the evidence is clear and dont forget, your using 5x the amount

 

[arabcell]

Ig do what you want, its just risking more, the results were showing that the higher the dose the higher the suppression, and we arent talking about you taking 1mg, no u r averaging like 5mg which is 5x the amount used in the study! Do what you want ig, but you will suffer from low test after cycle which will affect the upcoming weeks performance, side effects, muscle gain and even already gained muscle. Enclomiphene is per my research the go to SERM, little to no side effects, it isnt expensive, so yeah do what you want but the evidence is clear and dont forget, your using 5x the amount

0.1mg dose and 1mg dose both recoverred same time without pct. thats a 10x increase.

Obviously im not going to take this to the extreme, but 5mg and 10mg would therefore be fine, but I may not even do 10mg, depends on my reaction to 5mg.

but I appreciate your help, also rep my posts

 

[sl33perbuild]

LGD-4033 10mg is the best option. Add atleast hCG as a test base and replace your PCT with it as well. 10kg of muscle mass is unrealistic.

Hcg as a base

 

[bonelessvirgin]

dont just take sarms. use test and then maybe add some var or a sarm

 

[MK 6-7]

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[MK 6-7]

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[MK 6-7]

Bump

 

[4ever]

you can run lgd4033 with other orals too since it ain’t bad for your liver

absolute mogger sarm

This isn't true I believe. There are cases of liver failure associated with lgd.

 

[ybuyhgui]

This isn't true I believe. There are cases of liver failure associated with lgd.

correct I was wrong

although it is true that lgd is much easier on the liver than any other oral

 

[4ever]

correct I was wrong

although it is true that lgd is much easier on the liver than any other oral

I think the benefit of lgd is that among the top 3 SARMS (osta, rad, lgd) it's the one with the most human data/ furthest into clinical trials?
But this forum is very pro lgd and against rad. I wonder if there's an actual reason of just rehashing what has been said on here before.

 

[ybuyhgui]

I think the benefit of lgd is that among the top 3 SARMS (osta, rad, lgd) it's the one with the most human data/ furthest into clinical trials?
But this forum is very pro lgd and against rad. I wonder if there's an actual reason of just rehashing what has been said on here before.

I think anavar is just a superior rad honestly, while lgd is unique in that it’s much less liver damaging than other orals

so no real reason to run rad when var exists but lgd is a unique sarm, although there was also a rumour that lgd wasn’t liver toxic, clav even said this in one of his videos on it

 

[4ever]

I think anavar is just a superior rad honestly, while lgd is unique in that it’s much less liver damaging than other orals

so no real reason to run rad when var exists but lgd is a unique sarm, although there was also a rumour that lgd wasn’t liver toxic, clav even said this in one of his videos on it

Rad is mg / mg stronger than var.

It's very hard to get real anavar.

Anavar might be harsher on lipids.

Strength gains on rad are bigger than on anavar.

 

[ybuyhgui]

Strength gains on rad are bigger than on anavar.

mostly because of water retention though

It's very hard to get real anavar.

not for me heh

Anavar might be harsher on lipids.

seems to be about the same from the research i've seen

i'd only go for rad because it’s cheaper personally, var is goated for looksmaxxing since it has facial leaning properties, regenerative effects and can even improve your skin and shit