Ramieri is a surgeon gem

[Whatever]

I have a video consultation scheduled with him but I might cancel it. One of his patients who I talked to, a class III case like me but less complicated than my case - there was about the bare minimum of difference in the before and after pictures, and he couldn’t even tell me whether his jaws were rotated or not.

@lurking truecel if he’s that great then show me, send me your before and afters, you can trust me. Because I’m asking if it’s worth it to fly from the US for what seems like bare minimum communication and bare minimum forward movement.

 

[lurking truecel]

I have a video consultation scheduled with him but I might cancel it. One of his patients who I talked to, a class III case like me but less complicated than my case - there was about the bare minimum of difference in the before and after pictures, and he couldn’t even tell me whether his jaws were rotated or not.

@lurking truecel if he’s that great then show me, send me your before and afters, you can trust me. Because I’m asking if it’s worth it to fly from the US for what seems like bare minimum communication and bare minimum forward movement.

I mean just look at his insta, he obv moves the maxilla etc in some cases. But yea he isnt the best for class 3 because he neever goes beyond 5 mm maxilla

 

[nishka]

I mean just look at his insta, he obv moves the maxilla etc in some cases. But yea he isnt the best for class 3 because he neever goes beyond 5 mm maxilla

5 mm is noticeable tho right? my surgeon said he will do 5mm le forte 1

 

[nishka]

I have a video consultation scheduled with him but I might cancel it. One of his patients who I talked to, a class III case like me but less complicated than my case - there was about the bare minimum of difference in the before and after pictures, and he couldn’t even tell me whether his jaws were rotated or not.

@lurking truecel if he’s that great then show me, send me your before and afters, you can trust me. Because I’m asking if it’s worth it to fly from the US for what seems like bare minimum communication and bare minimum forward movement.

big movements for a le forte 1 are a meme anyway i feel like one should only do as much movement as the philtrum allows and only to get a nice lip profile otherwise le forte 1 doesnt ascend at all because its just lower maxilla. moreover, the most difference comes from the genioplasty in trimax

 

[Whatever]

big movements for a le forte 1 are a meme anyway i feel like one should only do as much movement as the philtrum allows and only to get a nice lip profile otherwise le forte 1 doesnt ascend at all because its just lower maxilla. moreover, the most difference comes from the genioplasty in trimax

What you’re describing sounds like the typical recessed chin, recessed everything mouthbreather case. That’s not me, I need little to no chin movement, my problem is that my teeth tilt inwards and my mouth area looks collapsed. So it’s my lower maxilla and mandible that I want moved forwards. Which would seriously help just about anyone.

 

[nishka]

What you’re describing sounds like the typical recessed chin, recessed everything mouthbreather case. That’s not me, I need little to no chin movement, my problem is that my teeth tilt inwards and my mouth area looks collapsed. So it’s my lower maxilla and mandible that I want moved forwards. Which would seriously help just about anyone.

No I was just saying can’t really do more than 4-5 mm le forte 1 because of soft tissue limit

 

[Whatever]

No I was just saying can’t really do more than 4-5 mm le forte 1 because of soft tissue limit

That’s not bad news for me. 4-5 mm sounds like not much but especially when it’s around the mouth area, it can make a huge difference visually. My left side is more forwards grown than my right side, only by a few mm, but that’s enough to make my left versus right 3/4 look almost like 2 different people. So apply that same logic to surgical movements and that could be some real change.

In my case, I have a short philtrum, mentolabial fold, collapsed looking lips, I seem to need more forwards growth to fill out my soft tissue the way it already is.

 

[nishka]

That’s not bad news for me. 4-5 mm sounds like not much but especially when it’s around the mouth area, it can make a huge difference visually. My left side is more forwards grown than my right side, only by a few mm, but that’s enough to make my left versus right 3/4 look almost like 2 different people. So apply that same logic to surgical movements and that could be some real change.

In my case, I have a short philtrum, mentolabial fold, collapsed looking lips, I seem to need more forwards growth to fill out my soft tissue the way it already is.

yeah 4-5 mm is huge
dont fall for the meme that you need HUGE movements otherwise you will get chimp lipped
huge movements are good for bsso

 

[Firstname.Lastname]

If he shits on .org that literally improves his trustworthiness, professionalism, and image in any sane person's eyes. If a surgeon entertains any bp terms or culture you should turn and run. In fact the only times I questioned ram's character is when I saw he markets terms like chad and maxxing on his tiktok which was disappointing.

Day he starts using the term nigger to market we will know he is zeroing in on org customer base.

 

[_Lucius]

Hopefully having surgery with Rams later this year. He seems like the best bang for the buck and least botches out of all the big names, and I am not risking it with some southern local European surgeon

 

[Denkaren]

I mean just look at his insta, he obv moves the maxilla etc in some cases. But yea he isnt the best for class 3 because he neever goes beyond 5 mm maxilla

Extraordinary at ducking question.

Show your before and after punk.
I’m convinced that you either get money to promote him or procrastinate a mediocre result.

This surgery might’ve not been as revolutionary on the girl front as you imagined. Your autism is your biggest obstacle, fool.

Show us why he is the “goat” I mean you’ve had the surgery with him, so have I.

I provide proof of a catastrophic surgery from him.

You raise him to the sky based on words on an anonymous forum. Ridiculous.

Provide before and after, otherwise your little flattering story lose substance.

 

[vernowwww]

Extraordinary at ducking question.

Show your before and after punk.
I’m convinced that you either get money to promote him or procrastinate a mediocre result.

This surgery might’ve not been as revolutionary on the girl front as you imagined. Your autism is your biggest obstacle, fool.

Show us why he is the “goat” I mean you’ve had the surgery with him, so have I.

I provide proof of a catastrophic surgery from him.

You raise him to the sky based on words on an anonymous forum. Ridiculous.

Provide before and after, otherwise your little flattering story lose substance.

your deluded just cause u got botched dosent mean everyone that goes to him is going to have a bad result, i went to him and i am happy with my result?

 

[lurking truecel]

Extraordinary at ducking question.

Show your before and after punk.
I’m convinced that you either get money to promote him or procrastinate a mediocre result.

This surgery might’ve not been as revolutionary on the girl front as you imagined. Your autism is your biggest obstacle, fool.

Show us why he is the “goat” I mean you’ve had the surgery with him, so have I.

I provide proof of a catastrophic surgery from him.

You raise him to the sky based on words on an anonymous forum. Ridiculous.

Provide before and after, otherwise your little flattering story lose substance.

He is the most well documented surgeon on the forum with result and experiences. He might not be god, but he is not the worst their is

 

[_Lucius]

Extraordinary at ducking question.

Show your before and after punk.
I’m convinced that you either get money to promote him or procrastinate a mediocre result.

This surgery might’ve not been as revolutionary on the girl front as you imagined. Your autism is your biggest obstacle, fool.

Show us why he is the “goat” I mean you’ve had the surgery with him, so have I.

I provide proof of a catastrophic surgery from him.

You raise him to the sky based on words on an anonymous forum. Ridiculous.

Provide before and after, otherwise your little flattering story lose substance.

It’s easy to tell you’re on a witchhunt after looking at your posts. I definitely think Ramieri shouldn’t have done surgery on you in the first place, because you looked like a class 1 with zero issues prior to the surgery.

However, I seriously doubt all the issues you’re facing come from 1mm change. All your posting about tongue posture also seems to be entirely undocumented medically. I highly doubt the tongue from 1mm change would cause all these issues. How come you say theres only one surgeon in the world who can do the surgery the ”right” way with tongue posture in mind? This is something so basic that even dentists are aware of it.

 

[Denkaren]

your deluded just cause u got botched dosent mean everyone that goes to him is going to have a bad result, i went to him and i am happy with my result?

Just because you had a good result doesn’t mean everyone will. I won’t buy your “good result” unless you provide proof.

If a surgeon’s surgical plan is completely off, that alone proves he cannot be considered among the best. A top surgeon does not fundamentally misunderstand a case. When multiple patients report being botched, that tells you there is a pattern. Join the Italian Facebook group and you will hear about these cases, Reddit also has some folks that has been botched by him.

He is without a question one of the worst when it comes to asymmetrical cases. He clearly fails to understand how crucial the dental arch are when correcting asymmetry.

 

[vernowwww]

Just because you had a good result doesn’t mean everyone will. I won’t buy your “good result” unless you provide proof.

If a surgeon’s surgical plan is completely off, that alone proves he cannot be considered among the best. A top surgeon does not fundamentally misunderstand a case. When multiple patients report being botched, that tells you there is a pattern. Join the Italian Facebook group and you will hear about these cases, Reddit also has some folks that has been botched by him.

He is without a question one of the worst when it comes to asymmetrical cases. He clearly fails to understand how crucial the dental arch are when correcting asymmetry.

idc if u buy it or not i dont want/need ur validation, im not saying he is one of the best ofc he is going to have botches but he is obv going to have good results as well, ur also painting him out to be the most incompetent surgeon which isnt true either

 

[Denkaren]

It’s easy to tell you’re on a witchhunt after looking at your posts. I definitely think Ramieri shouldn’t have done surgery on you in the first place, because you looked like a class 1 with zero issues prior to the surgery.

However, I seriously doubt all the issues you’re facing come from 1mm change. All your posting about tongue posture also seems to be entirely undocumented medically. I highly doubt the tongue from 1mm change would cause all these issues. How come you say theres only one surgeon in the world who can do the surgery the ”right” way with tongue posture in mind? This is something so basic that even dentists are aware of it.

You’re probably between 13–17 years old. Your prefrontal cortex aren’t fully developed until your~25. You have zero rationally thinking.

First of all, what does it say that he agreed to operate on me even though I was Class I? Does that prove he has strong ethics and good judgment or does it suggest financial motivation? A surgeon who operates without properly addressing the functional cause of asymmetry cannot present himself as a “moral” surgeon. In here is is pictured as one of few moral surgeon, that totally falls apart when you see my case.

How can it be motivated to retract the mandible? How does retraction fix a class 1? You’re so so far off if you don’t understand how freaking much 1-2 mm does. 1 mm for the tongue is like a mile in real life. It’s hard to take you serious. I convinced myself my asymmetry could be solved purely with jaw surgery. He seemed trustworthy before payment and before the complications started. He was a living nightmare when I explained that I had breathing issues. Gaslighting the shit out of me.

You’re overlooking one of the most fundamental factors, the tongue.

The tongue is a primary determinant of maxillary development and dental arch form. Proper tongue posture against the palate influences transverse growth, symmetry, and arch width. If the tongue posture is asymmetrical or low, it will contribute to asymmetrical maxillary development, breathing issues and compensatory mandibular shifts.

Which was my exact problem from the beginning.

Even SOME dentists understand that the dental arch is shaped by the tongue, not everyone, far far from everyone.Yet most maxillofacial training focuses heavily on skeletal repositioning, not on functional drivers like tongue posture and functional balance. That gap explains why purely surgical movements such as shifting the mandible 2 mm laterally or vertically adjusting sides by 1–1.5 mm fail to address the underlying cause.

If you don’t understand how the tongue influences arch form and symmetry, you risk making corrections without correcting the functional imbalance that created the asymmetry in the first place. And that is exactly why many surgeons make movements that look precise on paper but fail functionally and aesthetically long term.

They haven’t got a clue about the tongue. Do independent research and find out for yourself as I did, they haven’t got one single education about the tongue, they don’t need to, it’s not included. Tongue posture and function are not addressed in traditional maxillofacial training, even though the tongue plays a major role in dental arch form and airway balance.

The tongue is directly connected to the mandible through muscles like the genioglossus. So when the lower jaw is moved asymmetrically, tongue position is affected. In my case, my tongue can no longer rest properly inside the dental arch it shifts backward, which affects my breathing.

The reason to my assymetry from the beginning was purely related to a assymetrical dental arch, but Ramieri failed to see that because HE HAS NO TONGUE KNOWLEDGE.

When I consciously reposition my tongue about 2 mm back into the arch, my breathing returns to normal. That alone shows how critical tongue position is.

 

[Denkaren]

idc if u buy it or not i dont want/need ur validation, im not saying he is one of the best ofc he is going to have botches but he is obv going to have good results as well, ur also painting him out to be the most incompetent surgeon which isnt true either

Your opinion doesn’t mean anything unless you provide proof. Right now you’re objectively in the same category as the other oddly obsessed Ramieri fanboys. Fanboys who haven’t had surgery with him, fanboys who’ve been completely fooled by his marketing. You have the right to express your opinion once you can back it up with results.

I hope you understand that it’s hard to take someone seriously when they’re anonymous and go by the name “venrnowww.”

“Vernomowww said his surgery went excellent, he can’t provide any evidence neither explain his case but he seems trustworthy, I mean he is active in here and has a picture of a V that must mean something”. Gtfo

“Want your validation”? Buddy, I don’t care about you. I care about proving my point and warning others to not make the same mistake I did.

Your words carry no weight unless you can substantiate them.

Provide before and after, then we can talk

 

[lurking truecel]

Your opinion doesn’t mean anything unless you provide proof. Right now you’re objectively in the same category as the other oddly obsessed Ramieri fanboys. Fanboys who haven’t had surgery with him, fanboys who’ve been completely fooled by his marketing. You have the right to express your opinion once you can back it up with results.

I hope you understand that it’s hard to take someone seriously when they’re anonymous and go by the name “venrnowww.”

“Vernomowww said his surgery went excellent, he can’t provide any evidence neither explain his case but he seems trustworthy, I mean he is active in here and has a picture of a V that must mean something”. Gtfo

“Want your validation”? Buddy, I don’t care about you. I care about proving my point and warning others to not make the same mistake I did.

Your words carry no weight unless you can substantiate them.

Provide before and after, then we can talk

Look at @Gaia262 and @Lordmadness threads, and some others too. He has some good result and experiences from users here. Also you didnt even do bimax with ramieri, you did bsso, so you could only go one way. You cant fix assymetry with bsso only, you can only put the jaw in one place. So i dont really understand how your experience is even relevant as any surgeon would have put the jaw in the same place as its needs to follow the upper jaw. Also jaw surgery doesnt even have accuracy of 1-2 mm, the general rule is like 2-4 mm accuracy if you go by the studies.

 

[Denkaren]

He is the most well documented surgeon on the forum with result and experiences. He might not be god, but he is not the worst their is

Look at @Gaia262 and @Lordmadness threads, and some others too. He has some good result and experiences from users here. Also you didnt even do bimax with ramieri, you did bsso, so you could only go one way. You cant fix assymetry with bsso only, you can only put the jaw in one place. So i dont really understand how your experience is even relevant as any surgeon would have put the jaw in the same place as its needs to follow the upper jaw. Also jaw surgery doesnt even have accuracy of 1-2 mm, the general rule is like 2-4 mm accuracy if you go by the studies.

One of the guy is banned your tool. The other patient underwent bimaxillary surgery, genioplasty, rhinoplasty, and implants. That is a completely different surgical scope. Of course the aesthetic change will be more dramatic when multiple structures of the face are altered simultaneously. Comparing that to a bimax or trimax procedure is genuinely retarded.

Let’s address something else, patients with excellent before-and-after results are far more likely to share their outcomes publicly. Patients with suboptimal results in the vast majority of cases don’t. That creates a selection bias in online discussions. So using cherry-picked transformations to argue for your case is just ridiculous, mindblowing stupid.

The narrative you started that I “couldn’t afford” bimaxillary surgery is wrong. I’ve already paid $30,000 for a lower jaw revision with a U.S. surgeon. If cost had been the determining factor, I wouldn’t have invested that amount in the first place. The decision to proceed with a lower jaw surgery was based on Ramieris assessment of what was appropriate for my specific asymmetry not budget limitations.

You stated yourself that “you can’t fix asymmetry with BSSO.”

If that’s truly the case, then it raises an obvious question, why would Ramieri address a structural asymmetry using a lower jaw–only approach? You indirectly just said that he don’t know how to handle assymetrical cases but sure he is the “goat”.

Limiting the intervention to the mandible suggests a very narrow interpretation of the problem and a totally incomplete surgical strategy. I wasn’t the expert, I trusted his knowledge, fell for the freaking marketing.

Now regarding the claim that “the rule is 2–4 mm” show me one source that says it. If that would be the case almost everyone would end up with a small crossbites.

In my case, the mandible was moved almost exactly moved 2 mm. That demonstrates controlled movements.

You’ve been ducking this question several times, show YOUR before and after. I don’t give a damn about a “happy” patients that litteraly has rerranged his face with almost every possible cosmetog procedure you can do.

Every surgeon can make a dramatic aesthetic change with implants and rhinoplasty.

Provide YOUR before-after not one that literally changed his identity with all the cosmetic procedures.

Once again you prove that there are some screws loose.

First he was the goat now his in the category as “not the worst”. See a doctor for your manic episodes buddy.

 

[vernowwww]

Your opinion doesn’t mean anything unless you provide proof. Right now you’re objectively in the same category as the other oddly obsessed Ramieri fanboys. Fanboys who haven’t had surgery with him, fanboys who’ve been completely fooled by his marketing. You have the right to express your opinion once you can back it up with results.

I hope you understand that it’s hard to take someone seriously when they’re anonymous and go by the name “venrnowww.”

“Vernomowww said his surgery went excellent, he can’t provide any evidence neither explain his case but he seems trustworthy, I mean he is active in here and has a picture of a V that must mean something”. Gtfo

“Want your validation”? Buddy, I don’t care about you. I care about proving my point and warning others to not make the same mistake I did.

Your words carry no weight unless you can substantiate them.

Provide before and after, then we can talk

Ur just stupid, I don’t gain anything personally from saying I had a good result or bad result all I’m doing is saying my opinion I had a good result with 0 nerve damage or any complications if u want proof I had surgery with ramieri I can happily send!

 

[Denkaren]

Ur just stupid, I don’t gain anything personally from saying I had a good result or bad result all I’m doing is saying my opinion I had a good result with 0 nerve damage or any complications if u want proof I had surgery with ramieri I can happily send!

Gain? You haven’t even done the surgery!

As I said before, you’re in the exact same category as all the other Ramieri fanboys.

Provide proof and before-after.

Right not there are just a lot off gibberish from you.

 

[LEFORT17]

Gain? You haven’t even done the surgery!

As I said before, you’re in the exact same category as all the other Ramieri fanboys.

Provide proof and before-after.

Right not there are just a lot off gibberish from you.

676767676767

 

[vernowwww]

Gain? You haven’t even done the surgery!

As I said before, you’re in the exact same category as all the other Ramieri fanboys.

Provide proof and before-after.

Right not there are just a lot off gibberish from you.

I guess I haven’t done the surgery, idk if ur blind but I literally said at the end of the reply I am happy to show proof I had the procedure with ramieri even though idrc if u believe me or not

 

[Denkaren]

I guess I haven’t done the surgery, idk if ur blind but I literally said at the end of the reply I am happy to show proof I had the procedure with ramieri even though idrc if u believe me or not

My main point with creating an account here was to tell the truth about him.

He isn’t this moral-angle his pictured to be in this group. When everything goes according to plan, of course he’ll be nice.

When something goes south he is as I said a living nightmare. I’m not the first to get this horrible treatment by him after something went south. He gaslights and has a gaze in his eyes, I cant explain it, his pupils had no dilation. It was unpleasant. I should’ve filmed it…

It was like speaking with another person. That’s why I suspect that he is a full-blown narcissist.

If you DID the surgery and everything went well, nice!

Everyone aren’t as lucky as you when it comes to this man.

 

[davidlaidisme67]

He probably does, i heard stories about him traveling across the country when something went slightly wrong. He has very high morals

Might decide to do my bimax with him then

 

[davidlaidisme67]

My main point with creating an account here was to tell the truth about him.

He isn’t this moral-angle his pictured to be in this group. When everything goes according to plan, of course he’ll be nice.

When something goes south he is as I said a living nightmare. I’m not the first to get this horrible treatment by him after something went south. He gaslights and has a gaze in his eyes, I cant explain it, his pupils had no dilation. It was unpleasant. I should’ve filmed it…

It was like speaking with another person. That’s why I suspect that he is a full-blown narcissist.

If you DID the surgery and everything went well, nice!

Everyone aren’t as lucky as you when it comes to this man.

You serious??

 

[Denkaren]

You serious??

Might decide to do my bimax with him then

Wtf
That comment just strengthens my belief that “lurkcell” has some kind of connection to Ramieri. If anything, this only reinforces my impression that there’s a clear link there.

He has never done that, what in the actually fuck.

Don’t listen to him he’s bipolar and has never had surgery with him. He has manic episodes once in a while.

 

[Denkaren]

You serious??

Why would I lie?

What would I possible gain from that?
The follow-up after revealing I had breathing problem with him was BIZARRE. His whole mood changed when I told him about it. We argued and basically yelled at eachother for 30 minutes. I explained to him that my asymmetry was in the palate, not mandible.

He made measurements, realised there was asymmetry in the palate and nonchalantly said, “Expand then”. He is a complete tool.

 

[vernowwww]

My main point with creating an account here was to tell the truth about him.

He isn’t this moral-angle his pictured to be in this group. When everything goes according to plan, of course he’ll be nice.

When something goes south he is as I said a living nightmare. I’m not the first to get this horrible treatment by him after something went south. He gaslights and has a gaze in his eyes, I cant explain it, his pupils had no dilation. It was unpleasant. I should’ve filmed it…

It was like speaking with another person. That’s why I suspect that he is a full-blown narcissist.

If you DID the surgery and everything went well, nice!

Everyone aren’t as lucky as you when it comes to this man.

Idk why ur so doubtful I did the surgery I have 0 reason to lie u can even check my first post where I mentioned ramieri did my surgery before, just like u I am posting my experience with him I am not claiming he is a god, I am happy with my result but I’m not happy with the overall experience with him either.

 

[Denkaren]

Idk why ur so doubtful I did the surgery I have 0 reason to lie u can even check my first post where I mentioned ramieri did my surgery before, just like u I am posting my experience with him I am not claiming he is a god, I am happy with my result but I’m not happy with the overall experience with him either.

I’m doubtful because there are plenty of people here who claim he’s the best in this field without even having had surgery with him.

That raises my suspicions that he may have coworkers or even that he himself is hyping him up in this forum. Apparently he’s using lookssmaxxing terms in his videos.

He is without a doubt the most hyped surgeon on this forum, but for what reason? His results are completely average, often below average.

When something goes wrong, he doesn’t care about the patient. I can PM you Reddit users who had surgery with him that went wrong, and he treated them the same way he treated me.

For some extremely suspicious reason, he is portrayed as a highly moral surgeon who denies cases. That couldn’t be further from the truth. I am an example of it.

That’s why I need verification and remain doubtful.

If you had it, I’m happy that you’re pleased with your results.

Still doesn’t change the fact that he gave me breathing issues, swallowing issues, made my appearance worse, and didn’t care at all afterward. Instead, he got angry and started gaslighting me.

What in the overall experience was bad?

 

[vernowwww]

I’m doubtful because there are plenty of people here who claim he’s the best in this field without even having had surgery with him.

That raises my suspicions that he may have coworkers or even that he himself is hyping him up in this forum. Apparently he’s using lookssmaxxing terms in his videos.

He is without a doubt the most hyped surgeon on this forum, but for what reason? His results are completely average, often below average.

When something goes wrong, he doesn’t care about the patient. I can PM you Reddit users who had surgery with him that went wrong, and he treated them the same way he treated me.

For some extremely suspicious reason, he is portrayed as a highly moral surgeon who denies cases. That couldn’t be further from the truth. I am an example of it.

That’s why I need verification and remain doubtful.

If you had it, I’m happy that you’re pleased with your results.

Still doesn’t change the fact that he gave me breathing issues, swallowing issues, made my appearance worse, and didn’t care at all afterward. Instead, he got angry and started gaslighting me.

What in the overall experience was bad?

yes i believe u that he has botches, for the 9th time im just saying my experience as i dont believe he is a bad surgeon. However him and his teams communication before is dreadful and i can understand why people can get bad results based of it