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I disagree. The profile looks more balanced / healthy looking. Looked like an overbite victim in the before. Just needs a rhino nowMaxilla looks too flat. I genuinely think the left one looks better
Maxilla looks too flat. I genuinely think the left one looks better
just lolsi regret not going to ramieri everyday
why ab the regret one?just lols
halo effect of this forum in regards to surgeonswhy ab the regret one?
Yea i had bimax with ram myself and thinks he is good, but this dude looks litteraly the same before and after. Typical case where bimax wasnt even needed. And his lower lip is infront of the upper lip jflhalo effect of this forum in regards to surgeons
!!!Yea i had bimax with ram myself and thinks he is good, but this dude looks litteraly the same before and after. Typical case where bimax wasnt even needed. And his lower lip is infront of the upper lip jfl
look what i addedYea i had bimax with ram myself and thinks he is good, but this dude looks litteraly the same before and after. Typical case where bimax wasnt even needed. And his lower lip is infront of the upper lip jfl
Its because the lower lip is infront of the upper lip in the afterMaxilla looks too flat. I genuinely think the left one looks better
Am I retarded or do I not see the flatness, I just see the fucked lip proportionsMaxilla looks too flat. I genuinely think the left one looks better
not bad also not very impressive. no huge recession/steep op. aesthetically speaking theres is noway this guy would have looked worse after bimaxBad result ngl
The question is more why the hell this dude got bimax, and then he even end up in the class 3 lip assessment. Thats a fail, a genio alone would have done the tricknot bad also not very impressive. no huge recession/steep op. aesthetically speaking theres is noway this guy would have looked worse after bimax
fell for the chad memeThe question is more why the hell this dude got bimax, and then he even end up in the class 3 lip assessment. Thats a fail
Yea, def, aesthetically with the lips his side descended. Sure bigger chin looks better but a genio alone would look 3x better. Just jfl at fucks doing bimax for funfell for the chad meme
bimax was fine i feel like. the genio got him a bit uncannyThe question is more why the hell this dude got bimax, and then he even end up in the class 3 lip assessment. Thats a fail, a genio alone would have done the trick
And jfl that he said he had sfs, this dude didnt have sfs at all
either bimax or genio def not bothYea, def, aesthetically with the lips his side descended. Sure bigger chin looks better but a genio alone would look 3x better. Just jfl at fucks doing bimax for fun
Bimax main purpose is to put the lips right and that failed. Them the bimax was a failure litteralybimax was fine i feel like. the genio got him a bit uncanny
you think swelling can play a role hereBimax main purpose is to put the lips right and that failed. Them the bimax was a failure litteraly
i think soyou think swelling can play a role here
Nope, def not, lips will be that wayyou think swelling can play a role here
I mean lips will not change, if anything the upper lip is more swollen then the lower so it will look even more class 3. But ortho could possible help a bit but i doubt it as his front teeth is good occlusion and not class 3
he had class 2 and asymmetry. i really think it was just the genio which did his side profile dirtyYea, def, aesthetically with the lips his side descended. Sure bigger chin looks better but a genio alone would look 3x better. Just jfl at fucks doing bimax for fun
I mean lips will not change, if anything the upper lip is more swollen then the lower so it will look even more class 3. But ortho could possible help a bit but i doubt it as his front teeth is good occlusion and not class 3
Nah its the genio, its a low cut genio that wont change lips much. He was overotated and the maxilla should have moved forward compared to the bsso.he had class 2 and asymmetry. i really think it was just the genio which did his side profile dirty
Its when you overotate, when you overrotate, ans(nose base) comes back, and with that the upper lip. He could have also created a bigger overbiteView attachment 4410584
class 1 bite but class 3 lips I wonder why? maybe he could just get filler in the upper lip to fix it.
subspinal could have been a good choice for himNah its the genio, its a low cut genio that wont change lips much. He was overotated and the maxilla should have moved forward compared to the bsso.
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He got the underbitecel look
He should have done less ccw and less bsso. Maybe he decomped lower jaw to much relative to the upper jaw aswell. Unfortunately many people just wants as much ccw and bsso as possible but they dont think of this riskssubspinal could have been a good choice for him
I see what you mean now, his lip assessments are all fucked now and he looks like an underbitecel. It looked better to me last nightYea i had bimax with ram myself and thinks he is good, but this dude looks litteraly the same before and after. Typical case where bimax wasnt even needed. And his lower lip is infront of the upper lip jfl
I mean he is more just safe, and conservative. Good but not very goodRamieri is overrated as fuck in regards of aesthetics to be honest.
Which surgeon do you think is the most consistent?Ramieri is overrated as fuck in regards of aesthetics to be honest.
Can i dm uYea i had bimax with ram myself and thinks he is good, but this dude looks litteraly the same before and after. Typical case where bimax wasnt even needed. And his lower lip is infront of the upper lip jfl
Yeah unfortunately ram for some reason despite offering black pilled aesthetic options like fucking implants, he for some reason doesn’t like expanding the maxilla as much. @FrenchareMedCucks what did Ramieri say about expanding more in 2026Looks good but kind of needs more maxilla advancement
Yea he’s definitely one of the more conservative ones, I see a lot of cases that would look better if they were advanced more, ig that’s the price you pay for reliability and consistencyYeah unfortunately ram for some reason despite offering black pilled aesthetic options like fucking implants, he for some reason doesn’t like expanding the maxilla as much. @FrenchareMedCucks what did Ramieri say about expanding more in 2026
Not sure if it's just my view, but it feels like lips in general are very important in face perception, and in his case, it leads to a bit underbite/"ogre" look, despite better mandible.lips
Yea to be fair its the least you can expect from bimax, is to have atleast correct lip assessment. At minimum upper lip infront of the lower.Not sure if it's just my view, but it feels like lips in general are very important in face perception, and in his case, it leads to a bit underbite/"ogre" look, despite better mandible.
I was being sarcastichalo effect of this forum in regards to surgeons
in other words, do you think any other UNKNOWN surgeon couldnt have given the same result/maybe better
the only one whose talked bout a lot on this forum id go to is raffaini. hes the best and will always be (without implants).
It’s because he failed the lip assessment. His lower lip protrudes past his upper lipthe results looks pretty good. Its only 1 month post so far from the final outcome.
I have no idea what these indian low iq maggots here are talking about. bimax and genio are almost always combined and lead to a more harmonious result.
bro its 1month post op, final result is visible after 8 months+It’s because he failed the lip assessment. His lower lip protrudes past his upper lip
Retard alert, lip assessment dont depend on swelling you idiot. Most swelling remains at the cheeks and where the cut is. And if anything the upper lip becomes more swollen as the fluid comes down feom the leforte area. This dude just failed and the lip assessment and will allways. Its not the first time with ram either. Its not so big deal but swelling is not playing a part here. Also ram does minimal invasive so swelling is much lower either way. I had and know many who had bimax with himbro its 1month post op, final result is visible after 8 months+