Rarity of single digit body fat %

[5.5psl]

You should first focus on being sub 10% bf than trying to fix your obscure facial ratios like ipd or nose to mouth ratio
being rare is automatically a halo and when you are single digit bf the fat is gone and all you see is bone and even if its recessed it hits different than fat looking straight at someone's true skull will always be much more attractive than fat covering a good bone structure

im telling you i wasted my 1-2 years of looksmaxxing chasing facial ratios when 99% of you reading this all you need is to be sub 10% bf get those six pack abs and yes its difficult btw anyone telling you its easy has never done a true cut before but keep at it you gotta pay the price

 

[HundredManSlayer]

yup exactly.

that's why gymmaxxing is so underrated, it makes you rare in the field of skinny fat normies

 

[o_Owtf]

I think sub 10% is pretty unnecessary if your argument is that it's the rarity of it that makes you attractive. Apparently even at 12% you're way way up in the 0.1% of leanness. But it's true, there's actual research (see attached img.) that suggests women care more about leanness than facial structure. It was found that 12-14% was optimal, which is a little less than what you need for visible abs. It seems also that male and female ratings of men were highly correlated, suggesting that women preferring dadbod is probably just a myth.

 

[5.5psl]

I think sub 10% is pretty unnecessary if your argument is that it's the rarity of it that makes you attractive. Apparently even at 12% you're way way up in the 0.1% of leanness. But it's true, there's actual research (see attached img.) that suggests women care more about leanness than facial structure. It was found that 12-14% was optimal, which is a little less than what you need for visible abs. It seems also that male and female ratings of men were highly correlated, suggesting that women preferring dadbod is probably just a myth.

Not true for all i still have a round face at 14% bf i need to be single digit to have a carved jaw its about fat distribution + bone structure i store stubborn fat in lower abs + lower back + face so i gotta borderline sshredded to be peak attractive but yeh the point stands leanmaxxing will forever remain the #1 looksmax i really do wish i did it when i founded looksmaxxing rather than coping with any other shit if someone has read this far and you are above 10% bf just jump out the window atp

 

[5.5psl]

I think sub 10% is pretty unnecessary if your argument is that it's the rarity of it that makes you attractive. Apparently even at 12% you're way way up in the 0.1% of leanness. But it's true, there's actual research (see attached img.) that suggests women care more about leanness than facial structure. It was found that 12-14% was optimal, which is a little less than what you need for visible abs. It seems also that male and female ratings of men were highly correlated, suggesting that women preferring dadbod is probably just a myth.

also cant see the image send it again its showing error

 

[o_Owtf]

Not true for all i still have a round face at 14% bf i need to be single digit to have a carved jaw its about fat distribution + bone structure i store stubborn fat in lower abs + lower back + face so i gotta borderline sshredded to be peak attractive but yeh the point stands leanmaxxing will forever remain the #1 looksmax i really do wish i did it when i founded looksmaxxing rather than coping with any other shit if someone has read this far and you are above 10% bf just jump out the window atp

Yeah, unfortunately some people will have to go lower. 12-14% being optimal is just when averaged on a large population of men being rated by a large population of women and men.

 

[Finnishmogger]

also cant see the image send it again its showing error

try logging out and back in

 

[o_Owtf]

I'll just send you the pdf. Hmu if anybody else wants it

 

[BR32]

Agreed

Life doesn’t start till 11%

 

[5.5psl]

try logging out and back in

thanks it worked

 

[accinr]

You should first focus on being sub 10% bf than trying to fix your obscure facial ratios like ipd or nose to mouth ratio
being rare is automatically a halo and when you are single digit bf the fat is gone and all you see is bone and even if its recessed it hits different than fat looking straight at someone's true skull will always be much more attractive than fat covering a good bone structure

im telling you i wasted my 1-2 years of looksmaxxing chasing facial ratios when 99% of you reading this all you need is to be sub 10% bf get those six pack abs and yes its difficult btw anyone telling you its easy has never done a true cut before but keep at it you gotta pay the price

high iq cage at high bodyfatcels

 

[accinr]

Agreed

Life doesn’t start till 11%

8

 

[pale]

id be careful going past 10% as it lowers testosterone and the trade off with food/sports etc. isnt worth it for many cuz bones already pop at 12% for most (12% is ideal for hormones)

 

[BR32]

8

How bad are your fat gentics 8 is crazy

 

[5.5psl]

Not true for all i still have a round face at 14% bf i need to be single digit to have a carved jaw its about fat distribution + bone structure i store stubborn fat in lower abs + lower back + face so i gotta borderline sshredded to be peak attractive but yeh the point stands leanmaxxing will forever remain the #1 looksmax i really do wish i did it when i founded looksmaxxing rather than coping with any other shit if someone has read this far and you are above 10% bf just jump out the window atp

@pale
its not true for everyone that they will have a sharp face at 12% bf its about fat distribution which is purely genetic some ( and tbh many) store stubborn facial fat and its the last to go for them so they really gotta be single digit bf for peak attractiveness im talking peak attractive face possible not just a good face

 

[accinr]

How bad are your fat gentics 8 is crazy

my fat genetics are above average but to truly stand out 10-sub 10 is the way. I was exaggerating anything below 15 mogs if you have good genetics

 

[5.5psl]

my fat genetics are above average but to truly stand out 10-sub 10 is the way. I was exaggerating anything below 15 mogs if you have good genetics

nah the difference between 15 and 10% bf even for elite genetics is insane if you wanna hit peak attractiveness be single digit bf //

 

[accinr]

nah the difference between 15 and 10% bf even for elite genetics is insane if you wanna hit peak attractiveness be single digit bf //

agreed

 

[BR32]

my fat genetics are above average but to truly stand out 10-sub 10 is the way. I was exaggerating anything below 15 mogs if you have good genetics

I need to be under 12% to have good face definition for now.

Gonna melt some of that fat off

I don’t mind 12% tho

 

[ybuyhgui]

Forum should be renamed to leanmax.org. DNP or death

 

[chickencalves]

You should first focus on being sub 10% bf than trying to fix your obscure facial ratios like ipd or nose to mouth ratio
being rare is automatically a halo and when you are single digit bf the fat is gone and all you see is bone and even if its recessed it hits different than fat looking straight at someone's true skull will always be much more attractive than fat covering a good bone structure

im telling you i wasted my 1-2 years of looksmaxxing chasing facial ratios when 99% of you reading this all you need is to be sub 10% bf get those six pack abs and yes its difficult btw anyone telling you its easy has never done a true cut before but keep at it you gotta pay the price

>"being rare is automatically a halo"

If you're lean enough for it to stand out in a crowd, there's a bigger chance people assume you're unhealthy than being attracted to you. Not to mention being 500lbs is rare too. Or being 4ft tall. Are they halo'ed too? Dumb logic.

 

[Chad]

Last few % make such a tremendous difference.

 

[5.5psl]

Last few % make such a tremendous difference.

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tbh in the first pic he is sub 10% bf his face is just bloated , bloat kills definition too in the second he is more like 6% tbh ( which is insane top 0.0001%)

 

[Chad]

tbh in the first pic he is sub 10% bf his face is just bloated , bloat kills definition too in the second he is more like 6% tbh ( which is insane top 0.0001%)

He looks more like 12% in the fist pic, no lower ab veins or vascularity in general at all aside from forearms. He isn’t impressively lean. There is still a 4-6% difference between both pics which would’ve made all the difference. At such leanness bloat isn’t going to effect you much at all.

 

[accinr]

I need to be under 12% to have good face definition for now.

Gonna melt some of that fat off

I don’t mind 12% tho

me too haha currently doing the psmf method to get to hopefully 10-12 in 8 weeks currently 17-20

 

[accinr]

>"being rare is automatically a halo"

If you're lean enough for it to stand out in a crowd, there's a bigger chance people assume you're unhealthy than being attracted to you. Not to mention being 500lbs is rare too. Or being 4ft tall. Are they halo'ed too? Dumb logic.

apart from the gaunt appearance thats obviously unhealthily obtained elaborate how being lean looks unhealthy

 

[chickencalves]

apart from the gaunt appearance thats obviously unhealthily obtained elaborate how being lean looks unhealthy

Lol "apart from the gaunt appearance". My nigga that's the unhealthy part.
Also, there's subconscious tells like your skin looking worse, skinny neck, sunken eyes. It's not just bones showing.
Most people don't look good at single bf%. Especially after maintaining it for a while. People with a lot of muscle do look less brutal because they don't have a rail thin body and they do quick cuts, mostly water.

 

[BR32]

me too haha currently doing the psmf method to get to hopefully 10-12 in 8 weeks currently 17-20

Nice!

Enjoy the cut

I love being lean

 

[d0ctorgk]

Not true for all i still have a round face at 14% bf i need to be single digit to have a carved jaw its about fat distribution + bone structure i store stubborn fat in lower abs + lower back + face so i gotta borderline sshredded to be peak attractive but yeh the point stands leanmaxxing will forever remain the #1 looksmax i really do wish i did it when i founded looksmaxxing rather than coping with any other shit if someone has read this far and you are above 10% bf just jump out the window atp

Are you sure you are at 14%? Most people underestimate their bf%, 14% looks pretty lean actually

 

[Sicilian Cyclops]

Would you say that I should train for a couples years to put on some muscle, then cut down, or just cut down now and train? I'm currently at 16-20%bf with minimal muscle mass. If I cut down to 10%, I'll probably be around 130-135lbs which sounds like Auschwitz tier.

 

[accinr]

Nice!

Enjoy the cut

I love being lean

thanks man, you too! lean is life

 

[BR32]

thanks man, you too! lean is life

Lean is law

 

[accinr]

Lol "apart from the gaunt appearance". My nigga that's the unhealthy part.
Also, there's subconscious tells like your skin looking worse, skinny neck, sunken eyes. It's not just bones showing.
Most people don't look good at single bf%. Especially after maintaining it for a while. People with a lot of muscle do look less brutal because they don't have a rail thin body and they do quick cuts, mostly water.

fair argument but in this case it might be subjective. You may looks bloated at 12% but shredded at 8% in the face. Certain things you mentioned can be checked though like skin - collagen supplements/diet, skinny neck - training neck, maybe the under eyes sure.

 

[TrueOgreGymcel]

Debatable but lower body fat even if it's not a single digit still has many benefits. Overall I agree.

 

[d0ctorgk]

Would you say that I should train for a couples years to put on some muscle, then cut down, or just cut down now and train? I'm currently at 16-20%bf with minimal muscle mass. If I cut down to 10%, I'll probably be around 130-135lbs which sounds like Auschwitz tier.

If you eat at maintenance (clean) and train you will lean down anyways

 

[ijustwannaascendlol]

Only retards are at a single digit bf. Actually no one's fucking needs to do that.

 

[mogmypsl999]

dude if you're sub 10 bodyfat without muscles you'll look like a auschwitz victim

 

[5.5psl]

Are you sure you are at 14%? Most people underestimate their bf%, 14% looks pretty lean actually

Bro I would have my upper 4 abs visible at rest cephalic vien running down from shoulders all the way to the bicep and still don't have a chiseled jaw until I can see my lower ab viens
I mean I do have an above average face at sub 15% bf but when we are talking peak attractive face everyone would most likely peak at 8-11% bf tbh 12 doesn't cut it

 

[5.5psl]

Would you say that I should train for a couples years to put on some muscle, then cut down, or just cut down now and train? I'm currently at 16-20%bf with minimal muscle mass. If I cut down to 10%, I'll probably be around 130-135lbs which sounds like Auschwitz tier.

Look of you are all about looksmaxxing and lifemaxxing I'll highly suggest peds the natty route is painfully slow and by the time you build the muscles and cut down to 10% bf you'll end up skinny anyways
What I'll do is run 500mg test e per week for 16-20 weeks and eat in a calories deficit of 500 max from maintainance as this is your first cycle you will recomp on it lose fat and gain muscle something a natty can only dream just make sure that the deficit isn't brutal and e2 is being managed cuz high e2 causes water retention and blunts facial definition

dude if you're sub 10 bodyfat without muscles you'll look like a auschwitz victim

Who said to be sub 10% bf without muscles you should lift weights eat high protein and slowly arrive their and use peds man don't be a natty vuck we are on a blackpill forum I cage at users against peds

Only retards are at a single digit bf. Actually no one's fucking needs to do that.

If you want to be peak attractiveness yes you gotta do that 12% doesn't cut 8-11% is when most will hit their true peak assuming you refeed slowly back into maintainance after cutting and don't look gaunt

 

[Faustum]

Sub 10% is just not worth the health hit, quality of life decrease imo.

I thought it was settled that 10-13% is the best range that's actually keepable long term/

 

[smartstyle]

You should first focus on being sub 10% bf than trying to fix your obscure facial ratios like ipd or nose to mouth ratio
being rare is automatically a halo and when you are single digit bf the fat is gone and all you see is bone and even if its recessed it hits different than fat looking straight at someone's true skull will always be much more attractive than fat covering a good bone structure

im telling you i wasted my 1-2 years of looksmaxxing chasing facial ratios when 99% of you reading this all you need is to be sub 10% bf get those six pack abs and yes its difficult btw anyone telling you its easy has never done a true cut before but keep at it you gotta pay the price

Yep leanmaxxing actually boosts all 4 of your stats.

The harmony, the angularity, the dimorphism, and even misc gets boosted(skin looks tight and good).

No reason to not be very lean all year round.

 

[cheekbonesforlife]

Look of you are all about looksmaxxing and lifemaxxing I'll highly suggest peds the natty route is painfully slow and by the time you build the muscles and cut down to 10% bf you'll end up skinny anyways
What I'll do is run 500mg test e per week for 16-20 weeks and eat in a calories deficit of 500 max from maintainance as this is your first cycle you will recomp on it lose fat and gain muscle something a natty can only dream just make sure that the deficit isn't brutal and e2 is being managed cuz high e2 causes water retention and blunts facial definition

Who said to be sub 10% bf without muscles you should lift weights eat high protein and slowly arrive their and use peds man don't be a natty vuck we are on a blackpill forum I cage at users against peds

If you want to be peak attractiveness yes you gotta do that 12% doesn't cut 8-11% is when most will hit their true peak assuming you refeed slowly back into maintainance after cutting and don't look gaunt

would you recommedn hopping on to someone who's 20-25% bf? I've heard it's only a good idea when you're already lean and below 15% bf

 

[Endoplasmic82]

You should first focus on being sub 10% bf than trying to fix your obscure facial ratios like ipd or nose to mouth ratio
being rare is automatically a halo and when you are single digit bf the fat is gone and all you see is bone and even if its recessed it hits different than fat looking straight at someone's true skull will always be much more attractive than fat covering a good bone structure

im telling you i wasted my 1-2 years of looksmaxxing chasing facial ratios when 99% of you reading this all you need is to be sub 10% bf get those six pack abs and yes its difficult btw anyone telling you its easy has never done a true cut before but keep at it you gotta pay the price

Very good point.

Currently I’m leaning out rn, I’m probably like 20-25% body fat (idk accurately, just guessing), but my face is relatively pretty lean.

Not trying to sound like a weirdo, but my cheekbones genuinely mog the shit out of any mf I’ve seen on this forum (apart from like Salludon or some shit), so I look pretty hollowed out already.

I can’t fucking wait to be sub 10% bf, I swear if I don’t have Jordan Barrett level hollow cheeks

 

[Sujumh]

id be careful going past 10% as it lowers testosterone and the trade off with food/sports etc. isnt worth it for many cuz bones already pop at 12% for most (12% is ideal for hormones)

or u could js pin

 

[pale]

or u could js pin

for how long? unless u want to permanently fuck up your hormonesystem, pinning is a temporary fix

 

[Sujumh]

for how long? unless u want to permanently fuck up your hormonesystem, pinning is a temporary fix

for life ofc ??
why would u cycle off?

 

[shehzadgillani]

You should first focus on being sub 10% bf than trying to fix your obscure facial ratios like ipd or nose to mouth ratio
being rare is automatically a halo and when you are single digit bf the fat is gone and all you see is bone and even if its recessed it hits different than fat looking straight at someone's true skull will always be much more attractive than fat covering a good bone structure

im telling you i wasted my 1-2 years of looksmaxxing chasing facial ratios when 99% of you reading this all you need is to be sub 10% bf get those six pack abs and yes its difficult btw anyone telling you its easy has never done a true cut before but keep at it you gotta pay the price

what about 11-12% -_-

 

[pale]

for life ofc ??
why would u cycle off?

because of several reasons

i wouldnt want to pin some random trash from poland that i order online for example

if you get it from a doctor, finde but expensive here at least (200-400 euro a month fro private clinic). not to mention that if there ever will be a crisis/war you will probably not get it anymore (very high inhib to think this far tho)

 

[Sujumh]

because of several reasons

i wouldnt want to pin some random trash from poland that i order online for example

if you get it from a doctor, finde but expensive here at least (200-400 euro a month fro private clinic). not to mention that if there ever will be a crisis/war you will probably not get it anymore (very high inhib to think this far tho)

this might be one of the worst posts ive read in 2026
" random trash " u can get good test for like 100 dollars a year depending on dosage
and i wont even comment on the war part cus thats just insane

 

[pale]

this might be one of the worst posts ive read in 2026
" random trash " u can get good test for like 100 dollars a year depending on dosage
and i wont even comment on the war part cus thats just insane

"good test" did you get it tested in the lab?

if youre from a first world country its more expensive to get it from a safe place