RATE MY FIRST STEROID CYCLE AT 18

[heb]

I am planning on doing my first cycle in mid July, I am 18 6ft at 70kg


- have been going to the gym properly for around a year and on and off before that

- im about 15% body fat maybe less


Here is my first cycle plan (starting with 250 then going to 350)

Pre cycle
- get blood work done (so I can compare later and have an idea of my aromatisation)
- sperm bank (just incase)

Weeks 1-5
- 250mg of test e (biweekly)
- 250iu hcg (biweekly)
- no ai yet


Week 5 - blood work (before increasing to 350mg)

E2
- 50-70 → aromasin 12.5mg (weekly)
- 70+ → aromasin 12.5mg (biweekly)

RBC
- rbc percentage below 50%

Address any other health markers before continuing

Gyno
- nolvadex → if any itchiness or sensitivity in nipples
- AI → decrease general E2 levels

Morning supplements + peptides
- omega 3 (4g)
- D3 (5000iu) k2 (100mcg)
- zinc 30mg
- Nac 600mg
- Glow stack

Evening supplements
- Nac 600mg
- Magnesium glycinate 400mg

Situational
- tudca (if orals taken in future)
- telmisartan (if bp is constantly elevated)

Hair
- topical dutasteride (using topical, as dht can drive beard growth and dont want to limit that)
- oral minoxidil 5mg

Skin
- tretinoin (acne is mild currently, and have not used it before so may not need isotret)

Monitoring
- blood pressure every Sunday morning
- blood work done every 8-12 weeks
- semen analysis (only if testicles are visibly smaller)
- blood donation if hematocrit is above 52%

Diet
- keeping the diet clean at 3000 kcal a day (400 surplus) until around 82-85kg
- 160-180g protein a day

(ik some of it may seem like doing too much for a 350 test cycle - but theres no reason not to manage everything you can)

any advice would be appreciated (and any additional anabolics i could add aswell)

 

[tension]

- 250mg of test e (biweekly)

Try to pin more frequently if possible

 

[stelynvx]

why only test and why are u cycling

 

[Escanor1]

u realize u can take telmi start of cycle and also next time add secoundary compound, start leaner asw

 

[begoodlookingtheory]

500 test is like taking creatine (I hope you mean 500 and not 250)

 

[Syc]

seems pretty good overall but i would definitley up to atleast 500mg test a week after 250-350 is still mild. may not even be in a super physiological state of test depending on your androgen receptors.

 

[martintrdz]

I am planning on doing my first cycle in mid July, I am 18 6ft at 70kg


- have been going to the gym properly for around a year and on and off before that

- im about 15% body fat maybe less


Here is my first cycle plan (starting with 250 then going to 350)

Pre cycle
- get blood work done (so I can compare later and have an idea of my aromatisation)
- sperm bank (just incase)

Weeks 1-5
- 250mg of test e (biweekly)
- 250iu hcg (biweekly)
- no ai yet


Week 5 - blood work (before increasing to 350mg)

E2
- 50-70 → aromasin 12.5mg (weekly)
- 70+ → aromasin 12.5mg (biweekly)

RBC
- rbc percentage below 50%

Address any other health markers before continuing

Gyno
- nolvadex → if any itchiness or sensitivity in nipples
- AI → decrease general E2 levels

Morning supplements + peptides
- omega 3 (4g)
- D3 (5000iu) k2 (100mcg)
- zinc 30mg
- Nac 600mg
- Glow stack

Evening supplements
- Nac 600mg
- Magnesium glycinate 400mg

Situational
- tudca (if orals taken in future)
- telmisartan (if bp is constantly elevated)

Hair
- topical dutasteride (using topical, as dht can drive beard growth and dont want to limit that)
- oral minoxidil 5mg

Skin
- tretinoin (acne is mild currently, and have not used it before so may not need isotret)

Monitoring
- blood pressure every Sunday morning
- blood work done every 8-12 weeks
- semen analysis (only if testicles are visibly smaller)
- blood donation if hematocrit is above 52%

Diet
- keeping the diet clean at 3000 kcal a day (400 surplus) until around 82-85kg
- 160-180g protein a day

(ik some of it may seem like doing too much for a 350 test cycle - but theres no reason not to manage everything you can)

any advice would be appreciated (and any additional anabolics i could add aswell)

Utter cope tie the rope

 

[heb]

Try to pin more frequently if possible

ah yh didnt mean biweekly - meant twice a week so 125mg twice a week to start - obviously increase it from there

 

[heb]

u realize u can take telmi start of cycle and also next time add secoundary compound, start leaner asw

would it not be better to take only if i need to, what secondary compounds do you think also im pretty lean right now i think 15% bf is too high i have visible abs so maybe lower

 

[heb]

seems pretty good overall but i would definitley up to atleast 500mg test a week after 250-350 is still mild. may not even be in a super physiological state of test depending on your androgen receptors.

tbh ill see how it goes, most likely will end up increasing it further, but ill check my my bloodwork and how i am responding to it

 

[heb]

Utter cope tie the rope

whats the cope

 

[tension]

ah yh didnt mean biweekly - meant twice a week so 125mg twice a week to start - obviously increase it from there

Yeah that’s what biweekly means that’s not the problem

I’m saying you should be pinning as many days as possible

The best scenario would be pinning daily

 

[chudpiller]

- sperm bank (just incase)

Holy that’s smart idk why people don’t do that. Idk if sperm lasts super long but still.

Weeks 1-5
- 250mg of test e (biweekly)

I assume you mean 250 per week but you inject twice a week? Pls correct me if I’m wrong about that.

- 250iu hcg (biweekly)

Don’t need hcg this early it will be a waste of money

RBC
- rbc percentage below 50%

I’d say under 54% and then you get a therapeutic phlebotomy is a more realistic target but still. If you are at like 51% you can solve that by just drinking more water.

any advice would be appreciated (and any additional anabolics i could add aswell)

Mirin, prolly the best first cycle I’ve seen so far on here

 

[heb]

Yeah that’s what biweekly means that’s not the problem

I’m saying you should be pinning as many days as possible

The best scenario would be pinning daily

Is it that much of a difference compared to twice a week
Also i didnt think it was needed for test e bc of its half life

 

[Escanor1]

Holy that’s smart idk why people don’t do that. Idk if sperm lasts super long but still.

I assume you mean 250 per week but you inject twice a week? Pls correct me if I’m wrong about that.

Don’t need hcg this early it will be a waste of money

I’d say under 54% and then you get a therapeutic phlebotomy is a more realistic target but still. If you are at like 51% you can solve that by just drinking more water.

Mirin, prolly the best first cycle I’ve seen so far on here

blood dumping is stupid just drink water and cardio ur just gonna get it back

 

[Escanor1]

Is it that much of a difference compared to twice a week
Also i didnt think it was needed for test e bc of its half life

dm me if u need help

 

[tension]

Is it that much of a difference compared to twice a week
Also i didnt think it was needed for test e bc of its half life

No matter the ester it’s still technically better to pin as frequently as possible because you’ll have less dips and spikes

Most hormonal side effects have more to do with the dips and spikes than the actual doses

 

[heb]

Holy that’s smart idk why people don’t do that. Idk if sperm lasts super long but still.

I assume you mean 250 per week but you inject twice a week? Pls correct me if I’m wrong about that.

Don’t need hcg this early it will be a waste of money

I’d say under 54% and then you get a therapeutic phlebotomy is a more realistic target but still. If you are at like 51% you can solve that by just drinking more water.

Mirin, prolly the best first cycle I’ve seen so far on here

Sperm lasts indefinitely in the sperm bank - its like a annual fee depending on which one ofc

yh 250 a week pinning twice a week

when do u think hcg is necessary

appreciate it

 

[heb]

No matter the ester it’s still technically better to pin as frequently as possible because you’ll have less dips and spikes

Most hormonal side effects have more to do with the dips and spikes than the actual doses

Ah right, would it be better to test it and see if its a massive difference bc is it dependent on the person, or is it just the same for everyone

 

[chudpiller]

blood dumping is stupid just drink water and cardio ur just gonna get it back

Yea idk about that bro. Blood dumping is the generally accepted medical practice.

 

[chudpiller]

No matter the ester it’s still technically better to pin as frequently as possible because you’ll have less dips and spikes

Most hormonal side effects have more to do with the dips and spikes than the actual doses

Ehh its kinda debatable once you factor in the ai. In theory, it would be better to dose the ai a bit after you pin which is a lot easier if you don't pin every day.

Imo the juice isn't worth the squeeze for most non bodybuilder folks. But if you wanna pin every day obv that is more optimal for stable t and dht levels.

 

[tension]

Ah right, would it be better to test it and see if its a massive difference bc is it dependent on the person, or is it just the same for everyone

Ehh its kinda debatable once you factor in the ai. In theory, it would be better to dose the ai a bit after you pin which is a lot easier if you don't pin every day.

Imo the juice isn't worth the squeeze for most non bodybuilder folks. But if you wanna pin every day obv that is more optimal for stable t and dht levels.

I’m just saying if you want to be as optional as possible

I personally only pin twice a week cuz I hate needles

Lowk prolly the reason I’ve started developing a lil bit of gyno tho

 

[thramer.]

noI am planning on doing my first cycle in mid July, I am 18 6ft at 70kg

- have been going to the gym properly for around a year and on and off before that

- im about 15% body fat maybe less


Here is my first cycle plan (starting with 250 then going to 350)

Pre cycle
- get blood work done (so I can compare later and have an idea of my aromatisation)
- sperm bank (just incase)

Weeks 1-5
- 250mg of test e (biweekly)
- 250iu hcg (biweekly)
- no ai yet


Week 5 - blood work (before increasing to 350mg)

E2
- 50-70 → aromasin 12.5mg (weekly)
- 70+ → aromasin 12.5mg (biweekly)

RBC
- rbc percentage below 50%

Address any other health markers before continuing

Gyno
- nolvadex → if any itchiness or sensitivity in nipples
- AI → decrease general E2 levels

Morning supplements + peptides
- omega 3 (4g)
- D3 (5000iu) k2 (100mcg)
- zinc 30mg
- Nac 600mg
- Glow stack

Evening supplements
- Nac 600mg
- Magnesium glycinate 400mg

Situational
- tudca (if orals taken in future)
- telmisartan (if bp is constantly elevated)

Hair
- topical dutasteride (using topical, as dht can drive beard growth and dont want to limit that)
- oral minoxidil 5mg

Skin
- tretinoin (acne is mild currently, and have not used it before so may not need isotret)

Monitoring
- blood pressure every Sunday morning
- blood work done every 8-12 weeks
- semen analysis (only if testicles are visibly smaller)
- blood donation if hematocrit is above 52%

Diet
- keeping the diet clean at 3000 kcal a day (400 surplus) until around 82-85kg
- 160-180g protein a day

(ik some of it may seem like doing too much for a 350 test cycle - but theres no reason not to manage everything you can)

any advice would be appreciated (and any additional anabolics i could add aswell)

nolvadex is cope just up AI dose atp

 

[heb]

nolvadex is cope just up AI dose atp

aromasin takes time to work, as it only destroys the enzymes at the time of dosing - and you produce new enzymes to replace what was destroyed and these are unaffected by the previous dose

meaning you would have to increase it to taking it almost every day for it to be effective - but then u would crash your e2

and nolvadex is going to block the breast tissue from forming immediately - so its a lower risk

thats why i would increase the AI dose but pair it with the nolvadex until the symptoms are gone

 

[thramer.]

aromasin takes time to work, as it only destroys the enzymes at the time of dosing - and you produce new enzymes to replace what was destroyed and these are unaffected by the previous dose

meaning you would have to increase it to taking it almost every day for it to be effective - but then u would crash your e2

and nolvadex is going to block the breast tissue from forming immediately - so its a lower risk

thats why i would increase the AI dose but pair it with the nolvadex until the symptoms are gone

the fact that gyno is forming means e2 is too high anyway

 

[zennn]

Good we almost got the same plan but I don’t think 250 test will aromatize let alone my 200 at the start so keep most anchillaries on hand if you don’t need

 

[heb]

the fact that gyno is forming means e2 is too high anyway

yeah good point, ill have it on hand - unlikely ill use it

 

[heb]

Good we almost got the same plan but I don’t think 250 test will aromatize let alone my 200 at the start so keep most anchillaries on hand if you don’t need

yeah thats the plan to have it ready because some do have a higher aromatisation rate than others

 

[Syc]

biweekly means every other week

 

[heb]

biweekly means every other week

tbh i thought the same thing at first, but it can mean twice a week. Probably should've just said twice a week to avoid the confusion.

 

[Evgeniy291]

500 test is like taking creatine (I hope you mean 500 and not 250)

U produce like 50mg naturally btw