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[Zagro]

i haven't ever heard of Accutane causing bone loss or plate closure unless used at insane doses, can you link me a study sar?

Its literally linked to isotretinoin usage how do you not know that especially in higher doses such as you’re using atm

Any retinoic acid is capable of being detrimental to your bones (1).

no zagro blud, I'm not as sufficient in the osteoblast bone growth subject as you are sar, but I've been using 40mg isotretinoin for like 15 days, 60mg for 5 days and 80mg for 2 days and 100mg for one day, would that have caused severe damage already or nah?

I’m talking to the other cocky guy not you don’t worry, and not really it isn’t irreversible as long as you stop using such high doses and lower it you can avoid tipping into net bone resorption/loss

Osteoclasts are cells that break down bone.
Regarding the studies; please link it, I dont understand why isotretinoin would be resulting in 3cms of height loss. Maybe there is another pathway but Osteoclasts are surely not capable of compromising height that too at such an extent.

Okay so it doesn’t specify that osteoclasts are cells that break down trabecular bone does it

High doses, pre-/mid-puberty patients and long-term, but this isn’t even needed i would say that after like 20mg it will start becoming detrimental as time moves on

Check above for the study and this one (2) “(−0.67 cm; CI: −2.21 to 0.87)” although you could argue that they were below 15 it doesn’t mean that isotretinoin doesn’t have the properties to stunt growth

 

[theübermenschboy]

Its literally linked to isotretinoin usage how do you not know that especially in higher doses such as you’re using atm

Any retinoic acid is capable of being detrimental to your bones (1).


I’m talking to the other cocky guy not you don’t worry, and not really it isn’t irreversible as long as you stop using such high doses and lower it you can avoid tipping into net bone resorption/loss


Okay so it doesn’t specify that osteoclasts are cells that break down trabecular bone does it

High doses, pre-/mid-puberty patients and long-term, but this isn’t even needed i would say that after like 20mg it will start becoming detrimental as time moves on

Check above for the study and this one (2) “(−0.67 cm; CI: −2.21 to 0.87)” although you could argue that they were below 15 it doesn’t mean that isotretinoin doesn’t have the properties to stunt growth

I am not trying to fight you bro. And I dont think I have said anything for you to call me cocky.
Regarding the STUDY that you linked , you did not even read it otherwise you wouldn’t be saying what you said. It literally says there was no significant height difference between the control group and the isotretinoin group.

 

[theübermenschboy]

I am not trying to fight you bro. And I dont think I have said anything for you to call me cocky.
Regarding the STUDY that you linked , you did not even read it otherwise you wouldn’t be saying what you said. It literally says there was no significant height difference between the control group and the isotretinoin group.
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[Zagro]

I am not trying to fight you bro. And I dont think I have said anything for you to call me cocky.
Regarding the STUDY that you linked , you did not even read it otherwise you wouldn’t be saying what you said. It literally says there was no significant height difference between the control group and the isotretinoin group.
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Bro are you serious? The key word here is “significant”, does it stunt height? Yes, do the doctors give a fuck about you losing 1-3cms? No, thus its clinically insignificant, but even looking at it just from a mechanistical level its one of the worst choices you could make if height is a priority

Also the “not significant” height loss is based on their PAH which already has 2-4cm margin of error so that -1 or -2 could look low but you will never know if its -4cm or more

You laughed at my posts and tried to put me down, that’s why im calling you cocky

 

[theübermenschboy]

Bro are you serious? The key word here is “significant”, does it stunt height? Yes, do the doctors give a fuck about you losing 1-3cms? No, thus its clinically insignificant, but even looking at it just from a mechanistical level its one of the worst choices you could make if height is a priority

Also the “not significant” height loss is based on their PAH which already has 2-4cm margin of error so that -1 or -2 could look low but you will never know if its -4cm or more

You laughed at my posts and tried to put me down, that’s why im calling you cocky

This study you are citing is not a controlled clinical trial it is an evaluation . This does not mean anything , even then the first line of this paper says the effects of isotretinoin on height are not clear.
I did not intend to put you down in anyway , if I did so unknowingly I apologise.

 

[Zagro]

This study you are citing is not a controlled clinical trial it is an evaluation . This does not mean anything , even then the first line of this paper says the effects of isotretinoin on height are not clear.
I did not intend to put you down in anyway , if I did so unknowingly I apologise.

Reviews are done based on clinical trials check the cited articles and you will find some, and i could find similar other articles pretty easily

Its okay bro i appreciate it but you can throw slurs at my whole bloodline too, its .org it doesn’t bother me much

 

[theübermenschboy]

Reviews are done based on clinical trials check the cited articles and you will find some, and i could find similar other articles pretty easily

Its okay bro i appreciate it but you can throw slurs at my whole bloodline too, its .org it doesn’t bother me much

I will take a good glance at this topic sometime.
Take care bro

 

[narco]

Age: 15.8 years old
Main Goal: Height
Secondary Goals: Skin/Health/Bones

injectables:
Somatropin rhGH 10 IU daily
BPC-157 5mg weekly (IGF-sensitivity)
TB-500 5mg weekly (synergy with BPC and GHK)
GHK-cu 5mg daily (acne scars and skin texture)

Orals:
40-80mg isotretinoin (80-100mg if i spot any new ones)
12.5mg Aromasin daily (i don't have a pill cutter so day to day doses may vary from 10-15mg)

Supplements:
Ashwagandha - 1200mg daily (sleep and lower cortisol)
MSM - 3000mg daily (joint health)
Omega3 - 3000mg fish oil, 900mg EPA, 700mg DHA daily (bloods and lipid)
Magnesium Glycinate - 1400mg daily (sleep primarily)
Zinc - 40mg daily (hormone support)
Calcium Citrate - 800mg daily (bone support)
Vitamin K2 (MK7) - 500 mcg daily (bone support)
Vitamin d3 - 15,000 IUs (lack of sun where i live)

Diet: keeping it simple, just healthy with a priority on meat, eggs and dairy

Lifestyle: keeping it simple here as well
- sleeping for 10-12 hours every day, deep sleep no disruptions
- going gym for 2+ hours per day, no need for recovery when I'm on HGH
- keeping cortisol on a low

let me know what y'all think and if there's anything to change for a better result

lower aromasin dose

 

[0ptimized]

lower aromasin dose

why? anything lower sounds to weak

 

[rotation]

You stacked four systems that fight each other:

System	You’re pushing
Growth	10 IU HGH daily
Cell proliferation	BPC-157, TB-500, GHK-Cu
Cell death	Isotretinoin
Estrogen suppression	Aromasin daily

shut the fuck up with this GPT retardation

injectables:
Somatropin rhGH 10 IU daily
BPC-157 5mg weekly (IGF-sensitivity)
TB-500 5mg weekly (synergy with BPC and GHK)
GHK-cu 5mg daily (acne scars and skin texture)

Orals:
40-80mg isotretinoin (80-100mg if i spot any new ones)
12.5mg Aromasin daily (i don't have a pill cutter so day to day doses may vary from 10-15mg)

decent stack, although for 10ius you should absolutely have an ancillary protocol and be tracking blood glucose and BP

12.5mg aromasin daily may rape your e2 though, probably far too much

- going gym for 2+ hours per day, no need for recovery when I'm on HGH

this is not valid, don't do this

40-80mg isotretinoin (80-100mg if i spot any new ones)

this is an awful idea if your primary goals include height growth

drop the isotret

 

[0ptimized]

shut the fuck up with this GPT retardation



decent stack, although for 10ius you should absolutely have an ancillary protocol and be tracking blood glucose and BP

12.5mg aromasin daily may rape your e2 though, probably far too much



this is not valid, don't do this



this is an awful idea if your primary goals include height growth

drop the isotret

sorry for the greyness but what do you mean by ancillary protocol? currently not tracking glucose and BP just a prayer before bed but i should probably start doing that

Aromasin only has a 60-70% supression so i think i should be fine it also works gradually unlike letrozole and armidex

whats not valid?

fuck should i fully drop the isotretinoin? I've tried all these acne copes even though i don't have severe acne its just inflammatory red spots, would tretinoin cream do any good?

 

[Zagro]

sorry for the greyness but what do you mean by ancillary protocol? currently not tracking glucose and BP just a prayer before bed but i should probably start doing that

Aromasin only has a 60-70% supression so i think i should be fine it also works gradually unlike letrozole and armidex

whats not valid?

fuck should i fully drop the isotretinoin? I've tried all these acne copes even though i don't have severe acne its just inflammatory red spots, would tretinoin cream do any good?

Aromasin has lower suppression than 60-70% its more like 40%

 

[rotation]

sorry for the greyness but what do you mean by ancillary protocol? currently not tracking glucose and BP just a prayer before bed but i should probably start doing that

Aromasin only has a 60-70% supression so i think i should be fine it also works gradually unlike letrozole and armidex

whats not valid?

fuck should i fully drop the isotretinoin? I've tried all these acne copes even though i don't have severe acne its just inflammatory red spots, would tretinoin cream do any good?

you are starting exogenous hormones without knowing what ancillaries are?

it is something that provides support for your health/anything that needs support whilst using hormones or whatever it may be

just because aromasin doesn't inherently reduce estrogen as much does not mean that you can't rape it to the ground with too high dosage

training 2+ hours ED is not valid, unless maybe you are doing some BS bro-split style training.

and yes, drop the isotret if you are concerned about height

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Ruins appeal but it’s whats underneath your skin that matters, and also your height/frame. You wont magically start attracting htbs because you lost some acne

This is utter bs. Skin is giga important and makes a world of a difference.


OP keep the isotret in but lower the dosage. You do not need anywhere near 100mg of isotret.

 

[0ptimized]

you are starting exogenous hormones without knowing what ancillaries are?

it is something that provides support for your health/anything that needs support whilst using hormones or whatever it may be

just because aromasin doesn't inherently reduce estrogen as much does not mean that you can't rape it to the ground with too high dosage

training 2+ hours ED is not valid, unless maybe you are doing some BS bro-split style training.

and yes, drop the isotret if you are concerned about height

i am, I'm under 15 so cant get bloodwork until I'm 16 so like 4 months, if they check my bloods when I'm under 16 and see my fucked up levels they'll call my parents which i cant let slide.

yea fair enough what aromasin dosage would you reccomend to keep at a low level preferably around 15 qg

training 2+ hours not valid as in i should train more or less?

i just don't see how isotret would make me shorter or reduce bone mass in any way, not even cope GPT agrees but ill def consider lowering it.

 

[0ptimized]

This is utter bs. Skin is giga important and makes a world of a difference.


OP keep the isotret in but lower the dosage. You do not need anywhere near 100mg of isotret.

fair enough, you reckon 20-40mg is valid?

 

[rotation]

i just don't see how isotret would make me shorter or reduce bone mass in any way, not even cope GPT agrees but ill def consider lowering it.

genuinely what are you talking about

@Zagro already explained it, did you just not read anything?

stop being so obstinate, you don't have to understand something for it to be true

 

[rotation]

training 2+ hours not valid as in i should train more or less?

what split are you running?

 

[Zagro]

This is utter bs. Skin is giga important and makes a world of a difference.


OP keep the isotret in but lower the dosage. You do not need anywhere near 100mg of isotret.

Never said skin wont make a difference but in the case of stunting height and interfering with your overall skeletal development or having clear skin I think its obvious which choice is more important man, one is irreversible/permanent and the other one is the easiest fix ever

This nigga wont start pulling more by having clear skin if he isn't pizza faced which he probably is if he has to use 100mg

 

[chadisbeingmade]

Never said skin wont make a difference but in the case of stunting height and interfering with your overall skeletal development or having clear skin I think its obvious which choice is more important man, one is irreversible/permanent and the other one is the easiest fix ever

This nigga wont start pulling more by having clear skin if he isn't pizza faced which he probably is if he has to use 100mg

isotretinoin does not stunt growth.

 

[Zagro]

isotretinoin does not stunt growth.

I would want to believe that

 

[0ptimized]

genuinely what are you talking about

@Zagro already explained it, did you just not read anything?

stop being so obstinate, you don't have to understand something for it to be true

Zagro explained it yea, doesn't mean its true, i couldn't find any study or article which linked normal isotretinoin doses to cause any changes to bone mass, final adult height, or growth plates. The only few reordered cases was at extremely high doses, talking way over 100mg, used for way over the average 4-6 months length

 

[chadisbeingmade]

I would want to believe that

as far as i’m concerned most recent, LARGEST clinical studies show that the people that took isotretinoin were taller than controlled groups that do not, implying that you are wrong, isotretinoin does not stunt growth.

anyone saying it stunts growth regular dosages is spreading misinformation

 

[0ptimized]

what split are you running?

Chest, Side Delt, Front Delt, Triceps
Back, Biceps, Abs, Rear Delts

don't really train legs as i don't want to get a big ass, i do leg extensions tho

 

[rotation]

Chest, Side Delt, Front Delt, Triceps
Back, Biceps, Abs, Rear Delts

don't really train legs as i don't want to get a big ass, i do leg extensions tho

change the split, this one sucks

Upper/Lower or FBEOD mogs to oblivion

and training legs will not give you a big ass, you are just fragile in your masculinity

 

[0ptimized]

change the split, this one sucks

Upper/Lower or FBEOD mogs to oblivion

and training legs will not give you a big ass, you are just fragile in your masculinity

no brah, during summer i was locked in on training legs, as i read some shit saying training legs will boost test even though its so minimal, so i started spamming every single leg exercise including squats until 2-3 months later i saw massive stretch marks on my ass and my HBs started complimenting my ahh.

 

[Zagro]

as far as i’m concerned most recent, LARGEST clinical studies show that the people that took isotretinoin were taller than controlled groups that do not, implying that you are wrong, isotretinoin does not stunt growth.

anyone saying it stunts growth regular dosages is spreading misinformation

And we ignore the other studies showing a decline in growth velocity, premature fusion and loss in height + ignore the negative effects of vit a/retinoic acids as a whole.

The height difference isn't even a cm, the control group was on doxycycline which are antibiotics, done on males <17 and majority was 16+ I would therefore assume that here isn't much growth left to begin with, they had to use it for 3-4 weeks so very short-term to get included so even if you used high-doses I would argue that it would do much damage in such a small time period and the <15 group shows -0.29. You should understand why I still believe isotretinoin isn't ideal correct me if I have said anything wrong bro sorry if I have

1. Cole HL, Shen L. Association Between Pediatric Isotretinoin Treatment and Adult Body Height in Acne Patients. Paper presented at: American Academy of Dermatology (AAD) 2024 Annual Meeting. March 8 – 12, 2024. San Diego, CA.

 

[narco]

why? anything lower sounds to weak

Jfl nigga "sounds too weak" its about not crashing your e2 you fuckinf idiot, you have no reason to be taking that much. Please research more

 

[Sabork]

Age: 15.8 years old
Main Goal: Height
Secondary Goals: Skin/Health/Bones

injectables:
Somatropin rhGH 10 IU daily
BPC-157 5mg weekly (IGF-sensitivity)
TB-500 5mg weekly (synergy with BPC and GHK)
GHK-cu 5mg daily (acne scars and skin texture)

Orals:
40-80mg isotretinoin (80-100mg if i spot any new ones)
12.5mg Aromasin daily (i don't have a pill cutter so day to day doses may vary from 10-15mg)

Supplements:
Ashwagandha - 1200mg daily (sleep and lower cortisol)
MSM - 3000mg daily (joint health)
Omega3 - 3000mg fish oil, 900mg EPA, 700mg DHA daily (bloods and lipid)
Magnesium Glycinate - 1400mg daily (sleep primarily)
Zinc - 40mg daily (hormone support)
Calcium Citrate - 800mg daily (bone support)
Vitamin K2 (MK7) - 500 mcg daily (bone support)
Vitamin d3 - 15,000 IUs (lack of sun where i live)

Diet: keeping it simple, just healthy with a priority on meat, eggs and dairy

Lifestyle: keeping it simple here as well
- sleeping for 10-12 hours every day, deep sleep no disruptions
- going gym for 2+ hours per day, no need for recovery when I'm on HGH
- keeping cortisol on a low

let me know what y'all think and if there's anything to change for a better result

jee wilikers

 

[starborn3995]

It completely depends on the persons weight. 50mg is not a limit etched in stone.

clearly read the posts and reply he told his weight was 70kg ideal is 35mg 40mg should be fine 50mg if its severe really and lower dose doesnt work no more than that

 

[theübermenschboy]

clearly read the posts and reply he told his weight was 70kg ideal is 35mg 40mg should be fine 50mg if its severe really and lower dose doesnt work no more than that

1.5mg/kg of body weight is not that high .

 

[OxyFanNigga]

I think you're an idiot whos actively fucking himself over with premature commitment to a substance he doesnt fully understand

 

[0ptimized]

I think you're an idiot whos actively fucking himself over with premature commitment to a substance he doesnt fully understand

which substance?

 

[0ptimized]

Jfl nigga "sounds too weak" its about not crashing your e2 you fuckinf idiot, you have no reason to be taking that much. Please research more

calm down g, id rather crash my shit then close it

 

[100%nt]

tiktokcels like you have to learn that the only thing that will happen if you stack random substances you will get permanent damage

You joined December 15,2025

You have less than 500 posts

What do you know about “damage” or “random substances”

 

[0ptimized]

You joined December 15,2025

You have less than 500 posts

What do you know about “damage” or “random substances”

Nigga what

 

[0ptimized]

Pretty sure i asked for improvements to the cycle not education on substances

 

[Chaotropic]

Secondary Goals: Skin/Health/Bones

Good supplement stack section i guss but you can throw any "health" goals out the window with this shit.

 

[0ptimized]

Good supplement stack section i guss but you can throw any "health" goals out the window with this shit.

care to explain why

 

[Chaotropic]

care to explain why

Yo, you are 16 yrs old taking 6 different drugs in order to get an effect that MIGHT happen, even if you had professionals and a team behind you to do blood work and monitoring this would still be a genuine health risk. And i'm not a finger wagging health scaremonger, for a lot of people at an very subpar height who did not grow significantly during adolescensen taking hgh can be a reasonable risk to take for a better future life quality. Proceed with caution and consider the possibility that you might not grow even a single millimter with skin getting worse, AND experience other side effects from these drugs. This is your choice to make ofc, lot's of people end up regretting choices made in their teens when the prefrontal cortex is underdeveloped. Best of luck man.

 

[aelimaeli]

Age: 15.8 years old
Main Goal: Height
Secondary Goals: Skin/Health/Bones

injectables:
Somatropin rhGH 10 IU daily
BPC-157 5mg weekly (IGF-sensitivity)
TB-500 5mg weekly (synergy with BPC and GHK)
GHK-cu 5mg daily (acne scars and skin texture)

Orals:
40-80mg isotretinoin (80-100mg if i spot any new ones)
12.5mg Aromasin daily (i don't have a pill cutter so day to day doses may vary from 10-15mg)

Supplements:
Ashwagandha - 1200mg daily (sleep and lower cortisol)
MSM - 3000mg daily (joint health)
Omega3 - 3000mg fish oil, 900mg EPA, 700mg DHA daily (bloods and lipid)
Magnesium Glycinate - 1400mg daily (sleep primarily)
Zinc - 40mg daily (hormone support)
Calcium Citrate - 800mg daily (bone support)
Vitamin K2 (MK7) - 500 mcg daily (bone support)
Vitamin d3 - 15,000 IUs (lack of sun where i live)

Diet: keeping it simple, just healthy with a priority on meat, eggs and dairy

Lifestyle: keeping it simple here as well
- sleeping for 10-12 hours every day, deep sleep no disruptions
- going gym for 2+ hours per day, no need for recovery when I'm on HGH
- keeping cortisol on a low

let me know what y'all think and if there's anything to change for a better result

shut the fuck up
everything here is cope except the hgh and lifestyle choices
only supplement u can take that isnt cope is vit d3+k2 and magnesium glycinate but its always better to get those naturally instead of supplementing them.
should only supplement them when you know ur not getting enough (like you said your lack of sun)

 

[0ptimized]

Yo, you are 16 yrs old taking 6 different drugs in order to get an effect that MIGHT happen, even if you had professionals and a team behind you to do blood work and monitoring this would still be a genuine health risk. And i'm not a finger wagging health scaremonger, for a lot of people at an very subpar height who did not grow significantly during adolescensen taking hgh can be a reasonable risk to take for a better future life quality. Proceed with caution and consider the possibility that you might not grow even a single millimter with skin getting worse, AND experience other side effects from these drugs. This is your choice to make ofc, lot's of people end up regretting choices made in their teens when the prefrontal cortex is underdeveloped. Best of luck man.

okay so me not doing bloodwork i understand is stupid, ill be able to get bloodwork when im 16 so in 4 months

ive already grown 2 cm from HGH even though its not all bone growth and partially water in discs it still shows that its working so jfl there

my skin has already gotten better from the Accutane as I'm out of the purging face and never really had any severe acne, just wanting perfect skin

 

[0ptimized]

shut the fuck up
everything here is cope except the hgh and lifestyle choices
only supplement u can take that isnt cope is vit d3+k2 and magnesium glycinate but its always better to get those naturally instead of supplementing them.
should only supplement them when you know ur not getting enough (like you said your lack of sun)

bit of an aggressive start there mate

understood sar, but i don't think TB, BPC, and GHK is cope, obviously it wont interfere much with growth but would help my overall gut health, skin texture and body repair

 

[aelimaeli]

bit of an aggressive start there mate

understood sar, but i don't think TB, BPC, and GHK is cope, obviously it wont interfere much with growth but would help my overall gut health, skin texture and body repair

just take whatever you want bro i wont stop you
as long as you know the side effects and how to prevent u are good
js dont be a dumbass like me
im still waiting to get my first stack and im gonna do it in a couple months when im 17 like test for frame etc
not all of the things u listed would help
also the 2cm u grew from "hgh" prolly was ur natural growth bro
thats why you do blood tests to see if your igf1 or anythjing else spiked so you can know the hgh is working

 

[0ptimized]

just take whatever you want bro i wont stop you
as long as you know the side effects and how to prevent u are good
js dont be a dumbass like me
im still waiting to get my first stack and im gonna do it in a couple months when im 17 like test for frame etc
not all of the things u listed would help
also the 2cm u grew from "hgh" prolly was ur natural growth bro
thats why you do blood tests to see if your igf1 or anythjing else spiked so you can know the hgh is working

not at all brah, i measured the day before i started hgh, then again 25 days later and noticed a clear 2cm-2.5cm difference, of course not all of it is from bone growth but some definitely is

 

[King.epstein]

bit of an aggressive start there mate

understood sar, but i don't think TB, BPC, and GHK is cope, obviously it wont interfere much with growth but would help my overall gut health, skin texture and body repair

Fuck your mom !!!!!!!!!!
(Joke)