Raw Meat and Raw Milk Cope Proof (GTFIH)

Raw milk & raw meat is cope, stop falling for this dumb shit​

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RAW MILK​

the cope: "raw milk is good to ascend"​

Reality​

Pasteurisation barely changes the nutrition, its literally heating up the milk for 15 seconds to kill the bacteria.The amount of vitamins and nutrients being lost in this process does not matter in real diets.

Spoiler

Study:
Claeys et al., 2013 review comparing raw vs pasteurised milk. Conclusion: no meaningful nutritional advantage for raw milk XD.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22054181/

When some manlet argues that "oh no the enzymes going to get denatured", they don't know how the fucking body works because the stomach acid is strong enough to absolutely obliterate them too.

Raw milk isn’t fermented, so the probiotic angle is also cope, If you really want probiotics, drink kefir and have yoghurt.

No cope data:​

Raw milk causes way more food poisoning per serving than pasteurised milk, not debatable. It suprises me how some idiot doesn't realise that raw milk has more than 150 times pathogens than normal milk

Spoiler

CDC data:
https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/raw-milk-outbreaks.html

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RAW MEAT​

The cope:​

“Cooking kills nutrients . Our ancestors ate raw meat”
We haven't gone through tens of thousands of years of evolution just to fucking eat raw meat, our bodies aren't adapted to that shit.

Reality​

There is zero human evidence that raw meat improves testosterone, muscle, bones, immunity so its not optimal for looks.

Cooking meat actually makes protein easier to digest and lets you extract more calories which should be common sense by now.

Spoiler: Proof

Study:
Carmody & Wrangham, 2009 . cooking increases net energy gain from food.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0905277106

Humans have invented cooking to kill pathogens, have better tasting food, have more readily available nutrition and by not having it will not make you edgy or cool.

The nutrient loss thing is so exaggerated. Iron, zinc, creatine, taurine still there, this can be easily dealt with having just cheap supplements or having more cooked meat but its so negligible, it doesn't make sense. You are not losing anything if you cook your meat

Risk vs benefit​

Raw meat has documented higher illness risk idk why it doesn't register with people but there is clear proof.

Spoiler: proof

CDC guidance:
https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/foods/raw-meat.html

And before someone brings up steak tartare, its heavily controlled. It's still risky and doesn't have anything crazy good.

If raw meat worked, bodybuilders and athletes would be eating it .

food born illnesses linked to unpasteurised milk

---

WHY PEOPLE FALL FOR THIS​

Because it feels anti-normie and edgy and they just want to try coping with their recessed facial structure.

It sounds cool. But it's retarded :/

salmonella cases

---

TLDR FOR LOW ATTENTION SPANS​

• Raw milk has no significant proven benefit, higher risk
• Raw meat has no significant proven benefit, higher risk
• “Ancient” ≠ optimal
• your feelings ≠ data

Cook your food. Eat properly. Stop trying to undo 10000's of evolution

If you think your raw milk or raw meat comes from a good and safe source, its probably cope because bacteria grows on them itself without needing any unhygienic environment.



Don't give copes, use science and lets have a logical argument behind it.

 

[ilovearcherqueen]

I agree with the fact having a largely meat based diet is probably the best but cook it

 

[ilovearcherqueen]

If you want to have those extra vitamins, eat those cheap ass vitamins because thats way more logical than risking your health for a fraction of what you are getting

 

[Rapelord]

Raw milk & raw meat is cope, stop falling for this dumb shit​

---

RAW MILK​

the cope: "raw milk is good to ascend"​

Reality​

Pasteurisation barely changes the nutrition, its literally heating up the milk for 15 seconds to kill the bacteria.The amount of vitamins and nutrients being lost in this process does not matter in real diets.

Spoiler

Study:
Claeys et al., 2013 review comparing raw vs pasteurised milk. Conclusion: no meaningful nutritional advantage for raw milk XD.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22054181/

When some manlet argues that "oh no the enzymes going to get denatured", they don't know how the fucking body works because the stomach acid is strong enough to absolutely obliterate them too.

Raw milk isn’t fermented, so the probiotic angle is also cope, If you really want probiotics, drink kefir and have yoghurt.

No cope data:​

Raw milk causes way more food poisoning per serving than pasteurised milk, not debatable. It suprises me how some idiot doesn't realise that raw milk has more than 150 times pathogens than normal milk

Spoiler

CDC data:
https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/raw-milk-outbreaks.html

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RAW MEAT​

The cope:​

“Cooking kills nutrients . Our ancestors ate raw meat”
We haven't gone through tens of thousands of years of evolution just to fucking eat raw meat, our bodies aren't adapted to that shit.

Reality​

There is zero human evidence that raw meat improves testosterone, muscle, bones, immunity so its not optimal for looks.

Cooking meat actually makes protein easier to digest and lets you extract more calories which should be common sense by now.

Spoiler: Proof

Study:
Carmody & Wrangham, 2009 . cooking increases net energy gain from food.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0905277106

Humans have invented cooking to kill pathogens, have better tasting food, have more readily available nutrition and by not having it will not make you edgy or cool.

The nutrient loss thing is so exaggerated. Iron, zinc, creatine, taurine still there, this can be easily dealt with having just cheap supplements or having more cooked meat but its so negligible, it doesn't make sense. You are not losing anything if you cook your meat

Risk vs benefit​

Raw meat has documented higher illness risk idk why it doesn't register with people but there is clear proof.

Spoiler: proof

CDC guidance:
https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/foods/raw-meat.html

And before someone brings up steak tartare, its heavily controlled. It's still risky and doesn't have anything crazy good.

If raw meat worked, bodybuilders and athletes would be eating it .

food born illnesses linked to unpasteurised milk

---

WHY PEOPLE FALL FOR THIS​

Because it feels anti-normie and edgy and they just want to try coping with their recessed facial structure.

It sounds cool. But it's retarded :/

salmonella cases

---

TLDR FOR LOW ATTENTION SPANS​

• Raw milk has no significant proven benefit, higher risk
• Raw meat has no significant proven benefit, higher risk
• “Ancient” ≠ optimal
• your feelings ≠ data

Cook your food. Eat properly. Stop trying to undo 10000's of evolution

If you think your raw milk or raw meat comes from a good and safe source, its probably cope because bacteria grows on them itself without needing any unhygienic environment.



Don't give copes, use science and lets have a logical argument behind it.

youre assuming the pasteurisation process for the milk of current is that simple, and there is no malicious interference in its production altering its content. most of what we consume, food and drink that is provided by retailers all ultimately subordinate to a singular cartel of corporations, is designed as a poison.
its overprocessed, inorganic, and tampered with.
for thousands of years and through contemporary times was milk consumed in its raw form without question. the illusion of progress is rather a progression of degradation.
evidence evidence evidence, ever consider the possibility that not all things that are said are true?
im not necessarily an advocate of raw meat or 'primal diets', but milk, its bacteria, is a beneficial beverage for man.

 

[Deleted member 291046]

Raw milk & raw meat is cope, stop falling for this dumb shit​

---

RAW MILK​

the cope: "raw milk is good to ascend"​

Reality​

Pasteurisation barely changes the nutrition, its literally heating up the milk for 15 seconds to kill the bacteria.The amount of vitamins and nutrients being lost in this process does not matter in real diets.

Spoiler

Study:
Claeys et al., 2013 review comparing raw vs pasteurised milk. Conclusion: no meaningful nutritional advantage for raw milk XD.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22054181/

When some manlet argues that "oh no the enzymes going to get denatured", they don't know how the fucking body works because the stomach acid is strong enough to absolutely obliterate them too.

Raw milk isn’t fermented, so the probiotic angle is also cope, If you really want probiotics, drink kefir and have yoghurt.

No cope data:​

Raw milk causes way more food poisoning per serving than pasteurised milk, not debatable. It suprises me how some idiot doesn't realise that raw milk has more than 150 times pathogens than normal milk

Spoiler

CDC data:
https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/raw-milk-outbreaks.html

---

RAW MEAT​

The cope:​

“Cooking kills nutrients . Our ancestors ate raw meat”
We haven't gone through tens of thousands of years of evolution just to fucking eat raw meat, our bodies aren't adapted to that shit.

Reality​

There is zero human evidence that raw meat improves testosterone, muscle, bones, immunity so its not optimal for looks.

Cooking meat actually makes protein easier to digest and lets you extract more calories which should be common sense by now.

Spoiler: Proof

Study:
Carmody & Wrangham, 2009 . cooking increases net energy gain from food.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0905277106

Humans have invented cooking to kill pathogens, have better tasting food, have more readily available nutrition and by not having it will not make you edgy or cool.

The nutrient loss thing is so exaggerated. Iron, zinc, creatine, taurine still there, this can be easily dealt with having just cheap supplements or having more cooked meat but its so negligible, it doesn't make sense. You are not losing anything if you cook your meat

Risk vs benefit​

Raw meat has documented higher illness risk idk why it doesn't register with people but there is clear proof.

Spoiler: proof

CDC guidance:
https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/foods/raw-meat.html

And before someone brings up steak tartare, its heavily controlled. It's still risky and doesn't have anything crazy good.

If raw meat worked, bodybuilders and athletes would be eating it .

food born illnesses linked to unpasteurised milk

---

WHY PEOPLE FALL FOR THIS​

Because it feels anti-normie and edgy and they just want to try coping with their recessed facial structure.

It sounds cool. But it's retarded :/

salmonella cases

---

TLDR FOR LOW ATTENTION SPANS​

• Raw milk has no significant proven benefit, higher risk
• Raw meat has no significant proven benefit, higher risk
• “Ancient” ≠ optimal
• your feelings ≠ data

Cook your food. Eat properly. Stop trying to undo 10000's of evolution

If you think your raw milk or raw meat comes from a good and safe source, its probably cope because bacteria grows on them itself without needing any unhygienic environment.



Don't give copes, use science and lets have a logical argument behind it.

 

[ilovearcherqueen]

youre assuming the pasteurisation process for the milk of current is that simple, and there is no malicious interference in its production altering its content. most of what we consume, food and drink that is provided by retailers all ultimately subordinate to a singular cartel of corporations, is designed as a poison.
its overprocessed, inorganic, and tampered with.
for thousands of years and through contemporary times was milk consumed in its raw form without question. the illusion of progress is rather a progression of degradation.
evidence evidence evidence, ever consider the possibility that not all things that are said are true?
im not necessarily an advocate of raw meat or 'primal diets', but milk, its bacteria, is a beneficial beverage for man.

I do see your point, but i think pasteurisation is quite simple. Also the bacteria may be good for you but there are tons that are way worse.
The man back then wouldn't have the same type of digestive system as the man now does, we wouldn't have the same type of immunity to fight of the bacteria. Also i would definitely think that there would be cases of some type of disease. Also the milk they would have earlier would normally be consumed quite quickly and wouldn't have time to grow bacteria. But i do see your point of milk being heavily tampered with.

You can still get good amount of beneficial bacteria from kefir/yoghurt.

 

[Deleted member 291046]

I agree with the fact having a largely meat based diet is probably the best but cook it

I personally eat relatively animal based, some red meat, organs, & fish. But I do eat my eggs raw.

 

[ilovearcherqueen]

I personally eat relatively animal based, some red meat, organs, & fish. But I do eat my eggs raw.

Yes i also try to have raw eggs once in a while, but mainly get some boiling water then dipping eggs for like 15 sec and then drinking it. Idk if boiling the eggs for that much time would even have an effect

 

[Deleted member 291046]

Yes i also try to have raw eggs once in a while, but mainly get some boiling water then dipping eggs for like 15 sec and then drinking it. Idk if boiling the eggs for that much time would even have an effect

If you're that afraid of pathogens or don't like the taste of raw eggs then you could just eat them soft boiled, you don't lose too much nutrition.

 

[ilovearcherqueen]

If you're that afraid of pathogens or don't like the taste of raw eggs then you could just eat them soft boiled, you don't lose too much nutrition.

Might try this out, thanks

 

[KellSS]

Raw milk & raw meat is cope, stop falling for this dumb shit​

---

RAW MILK​

the cope: "raw milk is good to ascend"​

Reality​

Pasteurisation barely changes the nutrition, its literally heating up the milk for 15 seconds to kill the bacteria.The amount of vitamins and nutrients being lost in this process does not matter in real diets.

Spoiler

Study:
Claeys et al., 2013 review comparing raw vs pasteurised milk. Conclusion: no meaningful nutritional advantage for raw milk XD.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22054181/

When some manlet argues that "oh no the enzymes going to get denatured", they don't know how the fucking body works because the stomach acid is strong enough to absolutely obliterate them too.

Raw milk isn’t fermented, so the probiotic angle is also cope, If you really want probiotics, drink kefir and have yoghurt.

No cope data:​

Raw milk causes way more food poisoning per serving than pasteurised milk, not debatable. It suprises me how some idiot doesn't realise that raw milk has more than 150 times pathogens than normal milk

Spoiler

CDC data:
https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/raw-milk-outbreaks.html

---

RAW MEAT​

The cope:​

“Cooking kills nutrients . Our ancestors ate raw meat”
We haven't gone through tens of thousands of years of evolution just to fucking eat raw meat, our bodies aren't adapted to that shit.

Reality​

There is zero human evidence that raw meat improves testosterone, muscle, bones, immunity so its not optimal for looks.

Cooking meat actually makes protein easier to digest and lets you extract more calories which should be common sense by now.

Spoiler: Proof

Study:
Carmody & Wrangham, 2009 . cooking increases net energy gain from food.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0905277106

Humans have invented cooking to kill pathogens, have better tasting food, have more readily available nutrition and by not having it will not make you edgy or cool.

The nutrient loss thing is so exaggerated. Iron, zinc, creatine, taurine still there, this can be easily dealt with having just cheap supplements or having more cooked meat but its so negligible, it doesn't make sense. You are not losing anything if you cook your meat

Risk vs benefit​

Raw meat has documented higher illness risk idk why it doesn't register with people but there is clear proof.

Spoiler: proof

CDC guidance:
https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/foods/raw-meat.html

And before someone brings up steak tartare, its heavily controlled. It's still risky and doesn't have anything crazy good.

If raw meat worked, bodybuilders and athletes would be eating it .

food born illnesses linked to unpasteurised milk

---

WHY PEOPLE FALL FOR THIS​

Because it feels anti-normie and edgy and they just want to try coping with their recessed facial structure.

It sounds cool. But it's retarded :/

salmonella cases

---

TLDR FOR LOW ATTENTION SPANS​

• Raw milk has no significant proven benefit, higher risk
• Raw meat has no significant proven benefit, higher risk
• “Ancient” ≠ optimal
• your feelings ≠ data

Cook your food. Eat properly. Stop trying to undo 10000's of evolution

If you think your raw milk or raw meat comes from a good and safe source, its probably cope because bacteria grows on them itself without needing any unhygienic environment.



Don't give copes, use science and lets have a logical argument behind it.

Primal diet is not cope

 

[ilovearcherqueen]

Primal diet is not cope

I agree, it isnt. Meat and milk are really good for u. In fact you should have that most of the time. Just saying that raw meat and raw milk is cope

 

[babadook]

If you want to have those extra vitamins, eat those cheap ass vitamins because thats way more logical than risking your health for a fraction of what you are getting

iirc most vitamins in tablet form barely absorb. At least cheap ones do

 

[ilovearcherqueen]

iirc most vitamins in tablet form barely absorb. At least cheap ones do

Realistically you dont even need those vitamins that you get from raw meat or raw milk. Since it makes an ever so slight difference in cooking it. Risk factor of having raw products are way higher

 

[Mavueis]

Raw milk & raw meat is cope, stop falling for this dumb shit​

---

RAW MILK​

the cope: "raw milk is good to ascend"​

Reality​

Pasteurisation barely changes the nutrition, its literally heating up the milk for 15 seconds to kill the bacteria.The amount of vitamins and nutrients being lost in this process does not matter in real diets.

Spoiler

Study:
Claeys et al., 2013 review comparing raw vs pasteurised milk. Conclusion: no meaningful nutritional advantage for raw milk XD.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22054181/

When some manlet argues that "oh no the enzymes going to get denatured", they don't know how the fucking body works because the stomach acid is strong enough to absolutely obliterate them too.

Raw milk isn’t fermented, so the probiotic angle is also cope, If you really want probiotics, drink kefir and have yoghurt.

No cope data:​

Raw milk causes way more food poisoning per serving than pasteurised milk, not debatable. It suprises me how some idiot doesn't realise that raw milk has more than 150 times pathogens than normal milk

Spoiler

CDC data:
https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/raw-milk-outbreaks.html

---

RAW MEAT​

The cope:​

“Cooking kills nutrients . Our ancestors ate raw meat”
We haven't gone through tens of thousands of years of evolution just to fucking eat raw meat, our bodies aren't adapted to that shit.

Reality​

There is zero human evidence that raw meat improves testosterone, muscle, bones, immunity so its not optimal for looks.

Cooking meat actually makes protein easier to digest and lets you extract more calories which should be common sense by now.

Spoiler: Proof

Study:
Carmody & Wrangham, 2009 . cooking increases net energy gain from food.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0905277106

Humans have invented cooking to kill pathogens, have better tasting food, have more readily available nutrition and by not having it will not make you edgy or cool.

The nutrient loss thing is so exaggerated. Iron, zinc, creatine, taurine still there, this can be easily dealt with having just cheap supplements or having more cooked meat but its so negligible, it doesn't make sense. You are not losing anything if you cook your meat

Risk vs benefit​

Raw meat has documented higher illness risk idk why it doesn't register with people but there is clear proof.

Spoiler: proof

CDC guidance:
https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/foods/raw-meat.html

And before someone brings up steak tartare, its heavily controlled. It's still risky and doesn't have anything crazy good.

If raw meat worked, bodybuilders and athletes would be eating it .

food born illnesses linked to unpasteurised milk

---

WHY PEOPLE FALL FOR THIS​

Because it feels anti-normie and edgy and they just want to try coping with their recessed facial structure.

It sounds cool. But it's retarded :/

salmonella cases

---

TLDR FOR LOW ATTENTION SPANS​

• Raw milk has no significant proven benefit, higher risk
• Raw meat has no significant proven benefit, higher risk
• “Ancient” ≠ optimal
• your feelings ≠ data

Cook your food. Eat properly. Stop trying to undo 10000's of evolution

If you think your raw milk or raw meat comes from a good and safe source, its probably cope because bacteria grows on them itself without needing any unhygienic environment.



Don't give copes, use science and lets have a logical argument behind it.

DNR raw milk = primal = bonemass

 

[ilovearcherqueen]

DNR raw milk = primal = bonemass

Keep coping

 

[mk677enjoyer]

heating raw milk and raw meat, does affect in the nutrients, if you do it for 15 secs , isn't a big problem but most of the milks in the super market are ultrapasteurized and thats not 15 sec, ( also homogenized ) that's why they add vitamins to them , and in meat you damage soluble vitamins such a s vitamn c.
and yes , raw milk is bioaveleable superior to pasteurized milk , because of the enzymes and bacteria in it, kefir and yogurt have more probiotics because of the fermentetion but raw kefir and raw milk are also superior than pasteurized kefir / yoougrt.

 

[mk677enjoyer]

Realistically you dont even need those vitamins that you get from raw meat or raw milk. Since it makes an ever so slight difference in cooking it. Risk factor of having raw products are way higher

if you're worried about bacteria your inmune system is cooked .

 

[Moggable]

DNR raw milk = primal = bonemass

there’s niggers on here confidently coutersignaling primal diet whilst never having even tried raw meat to people who went 99% of their lives eating slop and immediately realised that raw meat is superior after trying it lol

 

[ilovearcherqueen]

if you're worried about bacteria your inmune system is cooked .

Humans haven't evolved for 1000+ years on eating cooked meat mainly for you to have an immune system to kill off the salmonella and e. coli etc

 

[ilovearcherqueen]

heating raw milk and raw meat, does affect in the nutrients, if you do it for 15 secs , isn't a big problem but most of the milks in the super market are ultrapasteurized and thats not 15 sec, ( also homogenized ) that's why they add vitamins to them , and in meat you damage soluble vitamins such a s vitamn c.
and yes , raw milk is bioaveleable superior to pasteurized milk , because of the enzymes and bacteria in it, kefir and yogurt have more probiotics because of the fermentetion but raw kefir and raw milk are also superior than pasteurized kefir / yoougrt.

Realistically. Does it make a difference? How massive of a benefit are you getting compared to the risks you are taking?

 

[mk677enjoyer]

Humans haven't evolved for 1000+ years on eating cooked meat mainly for you to have an immune system to kill off the salmonella and e. coli etc

you dont kill bacteria dumbass you eat the raw meat and the bacteria helps your gut to digest it, if you dont even know how the human body works dont post

 

[mk677enjoyer]

Realistically. Does it make a difference? How massive of a benefit are you getting compared to the risks you are taking?

for me is very massive, since i started drinking raw eggs/ raw milk and meat, i started saving time, money, and i wash less dishes, and in health terms i improved my digestion, i have clearer skin, and my dick is bricked in the morning.

 

[ilovearcherqueen]

for me is very massive, since i started drinking raw eggs/ raw milk and meat, i started saving time, money, and i wash less dishes, and in health terms i improved my digestion, i have clearer skin, and my dick is bricked in the morning.

I mean if it works for you, that's great. But most people don't have the same digestion ability / luck in having a safe source to eat these. Also a bricked dick is common amongs't younger males. Even i have all of that while not having raw meat or milk.

 

[mk677enjoyer]

I mean if it works for you, that's great. But most people don't have the same digestion ability / luck in having a safe source to eat these. Also a bricked dick is common amongs't younger males. Even i have all of that while not having raw meat or milk.

yeah it works for me and it can work for a lot of people with the right quality , if the people can't source it its okay i mean its not a health option , its more economy and geography problem, and about the brick dick its something related with hormones , obviously young males have it, you can also have it eating like shit, i mean i had it and its pure genetic and hormone related.

 

[unknown passenger]

BRO I FUCKING LOVE THIS USER
W THREAD keep the same pace brotha

 

[unknown passenger]

And before someone brings up steak tartare, its heavily controlled. It's still risky and doesn't have anything crazy good.

i love tuna tar tar

 

[ilovearcherqueen]

BRO I FUCKING LOVE THIS USER
W THREAD keep the same pace brotha

 

[SilvioMoltisantiDan]

good thread well made, this niggas doesnt undertand that no amount of raw shit gonna ascend u if you have shit genetics

 

[rayzay]

true, but raw milk tastes better then normal milk so raw milk mogs

 

[ilovearcherqueen]

true, but raw milk tastes better then normal milk so raw milk mogs

Chocolate tastes better than a salad. Is it healthier? Does chocolate mog?

 

[narrator_313]

Finally someone said it i was getting tired of goatis dick riders

Raw milk & raw meat is cope, stop falling for this dumb shit​

---

RAW MILK​

the cope: "raw milk is good to ascend"​

Reality​

Pasteurisation barely changes the nutrition, its literally heating up the milk for 15 seconds to kill the bacteria.The amount of vitamins and nutrients being lost in this process does not matter in real diets.

Spoiler

Study:
Claeys et al., 2013 review comparing raw vs pasteurised milk. Conclusion: no meaningful nutritional advantage for raw milk XD.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22054181/

When some manlet argues that "oh no the enzymes going to get denatured", they don't know how the fucking body works because the stomach acid is strong enough to absolutely obliterate them too.

Raw milk isn’t fermented, so the probiotic angle is also cope, If you really want probiotics, drink kefir and have yoghurt.

No cope data:​

Raw milk causes way more food poisoning per serving than pasteurised milk, not debatable. It suprises me how some idiot doesn't realise that raw milk has more than 150 times pathogens than normal milk

Spoiler

CDC data:
https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/raw-milk-outbreaks.html

---

RAW MEAT​

The cope:​

“Cooking kills nutrients . Our ancestors ate raw meat”
We haven't gone through tens of thousands of years of evolution just to fucking eat raw meat, our bodies aren't adapted to that shit.

Reality​

There is zero human evidence that raw meat improves testosterone, muscle, bones, immunity so its not optimal for looks.

Cooking meat actually makes protein easier to digest and lets you extract more calories which should be common sense by now.

Spoiler: Proof

Study:
Carmody & Wrangham, 2009 . cooking increases net energy gain from food.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0905277106

Humans have invented cooking to kill pathogens, have better tasting food, have more readily available nutrition and by not having it will not make you edgy or cool.

The nutrient loss thing is so exaggerated. Iron, zinc, creatine, taurine still there, this can be easily dealt with having just cheap supplements or having more cooked meat but its so negligible, it doesn't make sense. You are not losing anything if you cook your meat

Risk vs benefit​

Raw meat has documented higher illness risk idk why it doesn't register with people but there is clear proof.

Spoiler: proof

CDC guidance:
https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/foods/raw-meat.html

And before someone brings up steak tartare, its heavily controlled. It's still risky and doesn't have anything crazy good.

If raw meat worked, bodybuilders and athletes would be eating it .

food born illnesses linked to unpasteurised milk

---

WHY PEOPLE FALL FOR THIS​

Because it feels anti-normie and edgy and they just want to try coping with their recessed facial structure.

It sounds cool. But it's retarded :/

salmonella cases

---

TLDR FOR LOW ATTENTION SPANS​

• Raw milk has no significant proven benefit, higher risk
• Raw meat has no significant proven benefit, higher risk
• “Ancient” ≠ optimal
• your feelings ≠ data

Cook your food. Eat properly. Stop trying to undo 10000's of evolution

If you think your raw milk or raw meat comes from a good and safe source, its probably cope because bacteria grows on them itself without needing any unhygienic environment.



Don't give copes, use science and lets have a logical argument behind it.

 

[rayzay]

Chocolate tastes better than a salad. Is it healthier? Does chocolate mog?

yeah

 

[Deleted member 259104]

Raw milk & raw meat is cope, stop falling for this dumb shit​

---

RAW MILK​

the cope: "raw milk is good to ascend"​

Reality​

Pasteurisation barely changes the nutrition, its literally heating up the milk for 15 seconds to kill the bacteria.The amount of vitamins and nutrients being lost in this process does not matter in real diets.

Spoiler

Study:
Claeys et al., 2013 review comparing raw vs pasteurised milk. Conclusion: no meaningful nutritional advantage for raw milk XD.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22054181/

When some manlet argues that "oh no the enzymes going to get denatured", they don't know how the fucking body works because the stomach acid is strong enough to absolutely obliterate them too.

Raw milk isn’t fermented, so the probiotic angle is also cope, If you really want probiotics, drink kefir and have yoghurt.

No cope data:​

Raw milk causes way more food poisoning per serving than pasteurised milk, not debatable. It suprises me how some idiot doesn't realise that raw milk has more than 150 times pathogens than normal milk

Spoiler

CDC data:
https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/raw-milk-outbreaks.html

---

RAW MEAT​

The cope:​

“Cooking kills nutrients . Our ancestors ate raw meat”
We haven't gone through tens of thousands of years of evolution just to fucking eat raw meat, our bodies aren't adapted to that shit.

Reality​

There is zero human evidence that raw meat improves testosterone, muscle, bones, immunity so its not optimal for looks.

Cooking meat actually makes protein easier to digest and lets you extract more calories which should be common sense by now.

Spoiler: Proof

Study:
Carmody & Wrangham, 2009 . cooking increases net energy gain from food.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0905277106

Humans have invented cooking to kill pathogens, have better tasting food, have more readily available nutrition and by not having it will not make you edgy or cool.

The nutrient loss thing is so exaggerated. Iron, zinc, creatine, taurine still there, this can be easily dealt with having just cheap supplements or having more cooked meat but its so negligible, it doesn't make sense. You are not losing anything if you cook your meat

Risk vs benefit​

Raw meat has documented higher illness risk idk why it doesn't register with people but there is clear proof.

Spoiler: proof

CDC guidance:
https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/foods/raw-meat.html

And before someone brings up steak tartare, its heavily controlled. It's still risky and doesn't have anything crazy good.

If raw meat worked, bodybuilders and athletes would be eating it .

food born illnesses linked to unpasteurised milk

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WHY PEOPLE FALL FOR THIS​

Because it feels anti-normie and edgy and they just want to try coping with their recessed facial structure.

It sounds cool. But it's retarded :/

salmonella cases

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TLDR FOR LOW ATTENTION SPANS​

• Raw milk has no significant proven benefit, higher risk
• Raw meat has no significant proven benefit, higher risk
• “Ancient” ≠ optimal
• your feelings ≠ data

Cook your food. Eat properly. Stop trying to undo 10000's of evolution

If you think your raw milk or raw meat comes from a good and safe source, its probably cope because bacteria grows on them itself without needing any unhygienic environment.



Don't give copes, use science and lets have a logical argument behind it.

@ugulamugula thoughts ?

 

[ugulamugula]

Pasteurisation barely changes the nutrition, its literally heating up the milk for 15 seconds

Store bought Milk gets pasteurized and homogenized. Store bought Milk gets pasteurized with extremly high heat and not just for 15 seconds. If you pasteurize it at home for 15 seconds it does lose some nutrients but not so much your right. But this isnt the case for Store bought Milk

If you pasteurize it, it also loses a lot of good gut bacteria

Raw milk isn’t fermented, so the probiotic angle is also cope, If you really want probiotics, drink kefir and have yoghurt.

Nobody drinks PURE Raw milk for Probiotics. Thats WHY you make RAW Kefir or ferment it etc.

Raw milk causes way more food poisoning per serving than pasteurised milk

Our ancestors drank Raw milk for years and never got sick (Me included) + there are more reports for foodborne illnesses caused by brocoli and other vegetables than for Raw Milk. In the entire 2000 only about 50 people have died from raw milk

There is zero human evidence that raw meat improves testosterone, muscle, bones, immunity so its not optimal for looks.

So the thousands of "Primal" people eating raw meat arent enoigh human evidence?

We haven't gone through tens of thousands of years of evolution just to fucking eat raw meat, our bodies aren't adapted to that shit.

Yes, because we technically devolved. Our ancestors were you could say "Apex Predators". Only after the Agricultural Revolution our Bones started shrinking. Our skulls got smaller, we lost our fangs, started to get shorter etc. Our bodies were perfectly adapted to Raw meat before the Agricultural Revolution.

Raw meat has documented higher illness risk

Yes this is true. But not because the meat is raw, its because meat today is completely shit. Thats why "Primal" people buy meat from farmers so they dont get sick??? Ofc meat from for example cows that get vacced, eat grains and are in 1cm stable with 50 other cows is unhealthy?

If raw meat worked, bodybuilders and athletes would be eating it .

Lots of bodybuilders eat raw meat btw. But most dont because of Brainwashing like this.

If you think your raw milk or raw meat comes from a good and safe source, its probably cope because bacteria grows on them itself without needing any unhygienic environment.

Bacteria≠bad

your feelings ≠ data

Don't give copes, use science and lets have a logical argument behind it.

Wtf. You should always trust YOUR intuition/feelings more than some paid for studies. This is the most retarted shit i have ever heard

 

[ugulamugula]

@ugulamugula thoughts ?

Here

 

[ilovearcherqueen]

Store bought Milk gets pasteurized with extremly high heat and not just for 15 seconds. If you pasteurize it at home for 15 seconds it does lose some nutrients but not so much your right. But this isnt the case for Store bought Milk

• HTST (the most common): ~72 °C for 15 seconds
• VAT / low-temp: ~63 °C for 30 minutes
• UHT (shelf-stable milk): ~135 °C for 2–5 seconds

Fat,protein,calcium fat soluble vitamins are all unchanged other than a small drop in vitamin b and c which is irrelavant unless you live only on milk XD

A systematic review and meta-analysis of the effects of pasteurization on milk vitamins, and evidence for raw milk consumption and other health-related outcomes - PubMed

Pasteurization of milk ensures safety for human consumption by reducing the number of viable pathogenic bacteria. Although the public health benefits of pasteurization are well established, pro-raw milk advocate organizations continue to promote raw milk as "nature's perfect food." Advocacy...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

If you pasteurize it, it also loses a lot of good gut bacteria

Raw milk:

• Is not fermented
• Has no defined probiotic strains

stuff that has good bacteria: Kefir .Yoghurt .

stuff that doesn't significantly compared to pasteurised milk : Raw milk

You even admitted this yourself : “that’s why we ferment it.”

Our ancestors drank Raw milk for years and never got sick (Me included) + there are more reports for foodborne illnesses caused by brocoli and other vegetables than for Raw Milk. In the entire 2000 only about 50 people have died from raw milk

• Most humans historically were lactose intolerant
  
  
  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22054181/
  
  
  https://www.mdpi.com/2306-5710/3/4/54
  
  
• After breastfeeding, milk consumption was rare. Until after domestication
• People absolutely did get sick and die, they just didn’t post on forums
  
  Also: Life expectancy was trash. Infant mortality was numerous.Deaths weren’t tracked as they are today.
  
  
  the broccoli vs raw milk also doesnt make sense since:
  
  Outbreak count ≠ risk per serving
  Raw milk is consumed far less but causes far more illness per unit consumed
  
  If a million people ate 5 apples a day and 0.001% die from choking or some rare disease from it. and a small group of people drinking raw milk, a bunch of them die. Of course the people who ate apples have more cases of death since there is a significant number of people who eat apples vs who drink raw milk. You cannot deny that raw milk is 100-150× higher illness risk per serving than pasteurised milk. That number is stable across datasets.
  
  
  
  

  ilk. In the entire 2000 only about 50 people have died from raw milk

  Death ≠ harm.
  
  
  Hospitalisation, kidney failure, neurological damage, miscarriage, life long complications. None of that shows up in your cherry-picked death stat
  
  
  
  Death reporting ≠ illness reporting
  Underreporting is massive
  Most outbreaks don’t kill, they cripple
  Using deaths only is dishonest.
  
  

  So the thousands of "Primal" people eating raw meat arent enoigh human evidence?

No, thats a bunch of anecdotes

Human evidence means:
Controlled trials, hypothesis, measurable data outcomes and group studies.

There is zero controlled human data that shows it improves ANYTHING to do with test, bones, muscle, facial structure, immunity.

If anecdotes counted as evidence then nofap would give you hunter eyes and a sharp jaw.
It doesnt lol.

Yes, because we technically devolved. Our ancestors were you could say "Apex Predators". Only after the Agricultural Revolution our Bones started shrinking. Our skulls got smaller, we lost our fangs, started to get shorter etc. Our bodies were perfectly adapted to Raw meat before the Agricultural Revolution.

Early agricultural diets were way worse nutritionally than they are now, also skeletal density decreased now yes but...

This has nothing to do with cooked meat, cooking actually actually predates before farming : https://www.sci.news/othersciences/anthropology/1-9-million-years-of-cooking.html
And by a lot
Cooking also increases caloric extraction, it decreases the gut size making more room for the brain to develop.

Eating raw meat isnt ancestral and healthy, its just regression and cope

Yes this is true. But not because the meat is raw, its because meat today is completely shit. Thats why "Primal" people buy meat from farmers so they dont get sick??? Ofc meat from for example cows that get vacced, eat grains and are in 1cm stable with 50 other cows is unhealthy?

Wrong again.


Even pasture-raised, grass-fed, organic meat. Basically any meat:

Still carries Salmonella, E. coli, Listeria
Still gets contaminated during slaughter
Still grows bacteria post-slaughter

Bacteria don’t care about how the animal grew up or how clean it eats.

That’s why hunters still cook wild animals, parasites still exist in them too.

Eating Raw Meat: Is It Safe?

Raw meat dishes are commonly offered on restaurant menus around the world, but you may wonder whether they're safe. This article reviews the safety of eating raw meat.

www.healthline.com

Systematic Review of the Occurrence and Antimicrobial Resistance Profile of Foodborne Pathogens from Enterobacteriaceae in Wild Ungulates Within the European Countries - PubMed

Game meat is derived from non-domesticated, free-ranging wild animals and plays an important role in human nutrition, but it is recognized as a source of food-borne and drug-resistant pathogens impacting food safety. The present review aimed to provide a comprehensive analysis of the frequency...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Lots of bodybuilders eat raw meat btw. But most dont because of Brainwashing like this.

Name them??

Not some random instagram influencer schizo. Name actual athlete bcs you wont:
Olympians don’t
Powerlifters don’t
IFBB pros don’t
Sports dietitians don’t recommend it

These people will inject literal rat piss into their ass if it got them a better performance. if raw meat worked, they’d be doing it.

Bacteria≠bad

Low IQ.

Bacteria is either neutral, beneficial or harmful.

The thing is with raw milk/meat is you dont know what you are going to get, there is a reason probiotics are cultured, selected, and dosed.

Wtf. You should always trust YOUR intuition/feelings more than some paid for studies. This is the most retarted shit i have ever heard

This is where you actually lost the plot.

Your "intuition" cannot detect salmonella, e.coli, parasites, how much bioavailable nutrients are there or see the long term risk

Studies aren’t perfect, i agree. Intuition alone is how retards die confidently.

@iblameocclusalcant​

​

 

[ilovearcherqueen]

Also i have no idea where you got that random image from. Has no scientific source of backing.

 

[kramog]

Raw milk & raw meat is cope, stop falling for this dumb shit​

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RAW MILK​

the cope: "raw milk is good to ascend"​

Reality​

Pasteurisation barely changes the nutrition, its literally heating up the milk for 15 seconds to kill the bacteria.The amount of vitamins and nutrients being lost in this process does not matter in real diets.

Spoiler

Study:
Claeys et al., 2013 review comparing raw vs pasteurised milk. Conclusion: no meaningful nutritional advantage for raw milk XD.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22054181/

When some manlet argues that "oh no the enzymes going to get denatured", they don't know how the fucking body works because the stomach acid is strong enough to absolutely obliterate them too.

Raw milk isn’t fermented, so the probiotic angle is also cope, If you really want probiotics, drink kefir and have yoghurt.

No cope data:​

Raw milk causes way more food poisoning per serving than pasteurised milk, not debatable. It suprises me how some idiot doesn't realise that raw milk has more than 150 times pathogens than normal milk

Spoiler

CDC data:
https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/rawmilk/raw-milk-outbreaks.html

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RAW MEAT​

The cope:​

“Cooking kills nutrients . Our ancestors ate raw meat”
We haven't gone through tens of thousands of years of evolution just to fucking eat raw meat, our bodies aren't adapted to that shit.

Reality​

There is zero human evidence that raw meat improves testosterone, muscle, bones, immunity so its not optimal for looks.

Cooking meat actually makes protein easier to digest and lets you extract more calories which should be common sense by now.

Spoiler: Proof

Study:
Carmody & Wrangham, 2009 . cooking increases net energy gain from food.
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073/pnas.0905277106

Humans have invented cooking to kill pathogens, have better tasting food, have more readily available nutrition and by not having it will not make you edgy or cool.

The nutrient loss thing is so exaggerated. Iron, zinc, creatine, taurine still there, this can be easily dealt with having just cheap supplements or having more cooked meat but its so negligible, it doesn't make sense. You are not losing anything if you cook your meat

Risk vs benefit​

Raw meat has documented higher illness risk idk why it doesn't register with people but there is clear proof.

Spoiler: proof

CDC guidance:
https://www.cdc.gov/foodsafety/foods/raw-meat.html

And before someone brings up steak tartare, its heavily controlled. It's still risky and doesn't have anything crazy good.

If raw meat worked, bodybuilders and athletes would be eating it .

food born illnesses linked to unpasteurised milk

---

WHY PEOPLE FALL FOR THIS​

Because it feels anti-normie and edgy and they just want to try coping with their recessed facial structure.

It sounds cool. But it's retarded :/

salmonella cases

---

TLDR FOR LOW ATTENTION SPANS​

• Raw milk has no significant proven benefit, higher risk
• Raw meat has no significant proven benefit, higher risk
• “Ancient” ≠ optimal
• your feelings ≠ data

Cook your food. Eat properly. Stop trying to undo 10000's of evolution

If you think your raw milk or raw meat comes from a good and safe source, its probably cope because bacteria grows on them itself without needing any unhygienic environment.



Don't give copes, use science and lets have a logical argument behind it.

it kills 50% of nutrients

 

[ilovearcherqueen]

it kills 50% of nutrients

Proof?

 

[kramog]

Proof?

my ass. anyways if raw milk &/or meat would be dangerous then animals in nature would all be dead. humans have the same if not lower ph stomach acid then other predators. we didnt evolve fast enough yet not be able to safely eat raw meat

 

[ilovearcherqueen]

my ass. anyways if raw milk &/or meat would be dangerous then animals in nature would all be dead. humans have the same if not lower ph stomach acid then other predators. we didnt evolve fast enough yet not be able to safely eat raw meat

Holy retardedness.

Tf you mean animals would die you absolute idiot. Animals have different systems to ours. its basic biology you moron.
Animals die constantly.


Wild carnivores have high parasite loads, frequent infections, injuries that would kill humans.
Lifespan is short; many die young.
Not instantly dead” ≠ “safe or optimal”.

Also

Wild animals eat immediately after killing
Humans eat stored meat, hours, days old
Bacterial load explodes post-slaughter

You are not a lion eating a fresh meat. You’re a retard opening a fridge.
Facts:

• Human fasting stomach pH: 1.5–3
• Carnivores: similar or slightly lower

Stomach acid does NOT sterilise food
Many pathogens survive gastric acid:
Salmonella
E. coli
Listeria
Parasite cysts

If stomach acid was enough, food poisoning wouldn’t exist.


Cooking predates agriculture by hundreds of thousands to millions of years

Cooking:
Increases calorie extraction
Reduces gut size
Supports larger brains


This is why:

We have smaller teeth
Shorter intestines
Less wider jaws

It’s regression.



“Pasteurisation kills 50% of nutrients”


This is straight misinformation.


Realmilk.com is an support site, not a scientific source.
They cite:


Outdated data
Misinterpreted vitamin losses
Irrelevant nutrients milk barely contains


What pasteurisation does NOT meaningfully reduce:

• Protein
• Fat
• Calcium
• Phosphorus
• Vitamin
• Riboflavin
• Fat-soluble vitamins

What it slightly reduces:

• Vitamin C (milk is a terrible source anyway)
• Thiamine small %
• Folate small %

To claim “50% of nutrients”:

This is propaganda, not data.

If a whole website is dedicated to supporting raw milk ofc they are going to give propaganda for raw milk.



Tell me you didn't read through the thread without you telling me you didn't

You must be some mentally incapable being to actually beleive this is true

 

[ugulamugula]

You even admitted this yourself : “that’s why we ferment it.”

Yes because its plain milk lol still has good bacteria

stuff that has good bacteria: Kefir .Yoghurt .

Does that mean you are agreeing with me that RAW Kefir, yoghurt is good?

Life expectancy was trash. Infant mortality was numerous.

? You answered it yourself. Life expectancy was trash but not bcs of diet? whats your Point here?

Most humans historically were lactose intolerant

This is just not true lol My family has been consuming raw dairy for thousands of years

Even pasture-raised, grass-fed, organic meat. Basically any meat:

Still carries Salmonella, E. coli, Listeria
Still gets contaminated during slaughter
Still grows bacteria post-slaughter

Bacteria don’t care about how the animal grew up or how clean it eats.

That’s why hunters still cook wild animals, parasites still exist in them too.

Again bacteria isnt always bad + How the fuck is (If we talk about steak which is the most consumed) would there be parasites there. Its fucking muscle meat

Name them??

Eddie Abbew, Armand tanny, Liver king (ik he took steriods but still counts ig), Evan centopani, Weam breiche or wth his name is and the list goes on.

Low IQ.

Bacteria is either neutral, beneficial or harmful.

??

Your "intuition" cannot detect salmonella, e.coli, parasites, how much bioavailable nutrients are there or see the long term risk

Your intuition and feelings CAN detect if you eat healthy foods.

The Funniest thing is that you dont even read the studies you link. You CANT link a single Study that actually proves that Raw meat is unhealthy. All Studies against Raw meat are corelation studie. There is not a single study that actually proves that it is. +all the studies you show are mostly paid for.

@iblameocclusalcant

 

[ugulamugula]

Btw whats your diet?

 

[kramog]

Holy retardedness.

Tf you mean animals would die you absolute idiot. Animals have different systems to ours. its basic biology you moron.
Animals die constantly.


Wild carnivores have high parasite loads, frequent infections, injuries that would kill humans.
Lifespan is short; many die young.
Not instantly dead” ≠ “safe or optimal”.

Also

Wild animals eat immediately after killing
Humans eat stored meat, hours, days old
Bacterial load explodes post-slaughter

You are not a lion eating a fresh meat. You’re a retard opening a fridge.
Facts:

• Human fasting stomach pH: 1.5–3
• Carnivores: similar or slightly lower

Stomach acid does NOT sterilise food
Many pathogens survive gastric acid:
Salmonella
E. coli
Listeria
Parasite cysts

If stomach acid was enough, food poisoning wouldn’t exist.


Cooking predates agriculture by hundreds of thousands to millions of years

Cooking:
Increases calorie extraction
Reduces gut size
Supports larger brains


This is why:

We have smaller teeth
Shorter intestines
Less wider jaws

It’s regression.



“Pasteurisation kills 50% of nutrients”


This is straight misinformation.


Realmilk.com is an support site, not a scientific source.
They cite:


Outdated data
Misinterpreted vitamin losses
Irrelevant nutrients milk barely contains


What pasteurisation does NOT meaningfully reduce:

• Protein
• Fat
• Calcium
• Phosphorus
• Vitamin
• Riboflavin
• Fat-soluble vitamins

What it slightly reduces:

• Vitamin C (milk is a terrible source anyway)
• Thiamine small %
• Folate small %

To claim “50% of nutrients”:

This is propaganda, not data.

If a whole website is dedicated to supporting raw milk ofc they are going to give propaganda for raw milk.



Tell me you didn't read through the thread without you telling me you didn't

You must be some mentally incapable being to actually beleive this is true

Only part of what u said thats true is that meat is worse because its not as fresh

 

[Deleted member 291046]

Pasteurized milk is safe! It destroys pathogens/deadly bacteria!

 

[furinaryan67]

Liver king

His diet plan was leaked some time ago, you will be shocked to find out the raw meat thing was just a LARP and he mostly ate standard bodybuilder food (yogurt, cooked meat, vegetables...) in his free time. Turkey tom made a good vid about him

Not some random instagram influencer schizo. Name actual athlete bcs you wont:
Olympians don’t
Powerlifters don’t
IFBB pros don’t
Sports dietitians don’t recommend it

my buddy eric actually hunts and eats hobos every saturday night and he can bench like 300lbs.

 

[r1ght]

Carmody & Wrangham, 2009 . cooking increases net energy gain from food.

done on rats using peanuts btw.

 

[r1ght]

Claeys et al., 2013 review comparing raw vs pasteurised milk. Conclusion: no meaningful nutritional advantage for raw milk XD.

Shannon E Majowicz

 

[PharmaPhaggot]

Water