Raw Meat Is Healthy

[low1sd]

interesting thread but this is water content for most users here

 

[Zeekie]

Your first point has no real argument

your second point is not true, beneficial bacteria are essential for breaking down damaged cells and recycling waste, if you dont have enough bacteria toxins will build up which leads to fermentation, putrefaction and disease

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(14)00345-6?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0092867414003456%3Fshowall%3Dtrue

(None of these studies are made in the context of supporting raw meat)

Third point. Raw meat, organs and raw dairy provide different species-specific naturally occuring bacteria and food specific enzymes not found in foods like yogurt or kefir,

theres bacteria naturally present on raw meat that help breaking down the proteins and fats, producing metabolites not found in dairy fermentation

Review: Diversity of Microorganisms in Global Fermented Foods and Beverages - PMC

Culturalable and non-culturable microorganisms naturally ferment majority of global fermented foods and beverages. Traditional food fermentation represents an extremely valuable cultural heritage in most regions, and harbors a huge genetic potential ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Point 4. I never claimed these studies specifically tell you to eat raw meat




Point 1: the bodys microbiome is incomplete without exposure to diverse live bacteria from food, cooking sterilizes this vital input, weakening digestion and regeneration, raw and fermented foods supply essential enzymes and microbes that modern diets lack, and this loss is a root cause of many chronic diseases.

Point 2. Denaturing isnt just a simple energy saving shortcut, you literally destroy the 3D structures of proteins, enzymes and cofactors that are essential for proper digestion and cellular repair, this causes toxic byproducts that your body then must work harder to detoxify, burning more energy than it "saves". Your bodys own enzymes have evolved alongside consuming raw and living tissues, not burnt food, enzymes on raw meat and raw dairy start digestion externally, reducing the digestive burden on your pancreas and gut lining, when you eat cooked food you force your body to produce more digestive enzymes and detox pathways to handle the damage.

Point 3. No point in responding to this since the points before are the answers

Point 4. Yes, your body does TRY to safely get rid of AGEs and other toxic byproducts, because your body is trying to detoxify, but if you constantly feed it a cooked heat damaged diet, you overwhelm the system overtime, its about chronic ev ryday exposure. The accumulation of AGEs is linked to inflammation, oxidative stress and accelerated aging, and other things i named

All the risks for raw meat only come from dirty sources, you will never get sick eating raw meat from a healthy animal, blame modern food processing

all the studies i linked worked for me when i pasted them, maybe i accidentally deleted some letters by accident because i obviously open the links myself before, ill go check now though

1. "your second point is not true, beneficial bacteria are essential for breaking down damaged cells and recycling waste, if you dont have enough bacteria toxins will build up which leads to fermentation, putrefaction and disease" - Beneficial bacteria re important for digestion, they help significantly, but again, not all bacteria are beneficial your own sources contradict that. Also, "breaking down damaged cells and recycling waste" I'd love you to cite any evidence for this, but I'll get ahead of you, there isn't, bacteria have no effect in damaged cell recycling, your immune system already takes care of that, bacteria found inside your blood or tissues are treated like a foreign body in almost all cases by your immune system.

2. "Raw meat, organs and raw dairy provide different species-specific naturally occurring bacteria and food specific enzymes not found in foods like yogurt or kefir," yes, but to what degree is this really beneficial? Your digestion will largely be the same with or without this extra enzymes or bacteria

3. "Denaturing isnt just a simple energy saving shortcut, you literally destroy the 3D structures of proteins, enzymes and cofactors that are essential for proper digestion and cellular repair, this causes toxic byproducts that your body then must work harder to detoxify, burning more energy than it "saves". Your bodies own enzymes have evolved alongside consuming raw and living tissues, not burnt food, enzymes on raw meat and raw dairy start digestion externally, reducing the digestive burden on your pancreas and gut lining, when you eat cooked food you force your body to produce more digestive enzymes and detox pathways to handle the damage." There's no evidence for any of what you have claimed here, denatured proteins are not an issue in digestion, they make digestion easier (studies I cited in my previous comment). They also do not create "toxic byproducts", else please cite me some research. Also, you do realize that your body is still breaking down the enzymes and proteins denatured or not? Your body has no use for whole protein structures or enzymes, it needs to break them into single amino acids (or sometimes peptides with 2 or 3 of them) for them to be usable at all.

No one is denying that gut health is important, but you're overstating the benefits of raw products, and you're understating (or directly lying about, with your own sources disagreeing with you) the risks. Risking food poisoning for some new gut bugs isn't worth it. Plus, there's some big overlap between the microbiota found in ferments and cooked food, and the one found in raw animal products, the ones that may differ aren't giving you any significant benefits in gut health (or else I'd like to read studies, because I really tried to find some but couldn't).

 

[foidk3llr]

1. "your second point is not true, beneficial bacteria are essential for breaking down damaged cells and recycling waste, if you dont have enough bacteria toxins will build up which leads to fermentation, putrefaction and disease" - Beneficial bacteria re important for digestion, they help significantly, but again, not all bacteria are beneficial your own sources contradict that. Also, "breaking down damaged cells and recycling waste" I'd love you to cite any evidence for this, but I'll get ahead of you, there isn't, bacteria have no effect in damaged cell recycling, your immune system already takes care of that, bacteria found inside your blood or tissues are treated like a foreign body in almost all cases by your immune system.

2. "Raw meat, organs and raw dairy provide different species-specific naturally occurring bacteria and food specific enzymes not found in foods like yogurt or kefir," yes, but to what degree is this really beneficial? Your digestion will largely be the same with or without this extra enzymes or bacteria

3. "Denaturing isnt just a simple energy saving shortcut, you literally destroy the 3D structures of proteins, enzymes and cofactors that are essential for proper digestion and cellular repair, this causes toxic byproducts that your body then must work harder to detoxify, burning more energy than it "saves". Your bodies own enzymes have evolved alongside consuming raw and living tissues, not burnt food, enzymes on raw meat and raw dairy start digestion externally, reducing the digestive burden on your pancreas and gut lining, when you eat cooked food you force your body to produce more digestive enzymes and detox pathways to handle the damage." There's no evidence for any of what you have claimed here, denatured proteins are not an issue in digestion, they make digestion easier (studies I cited in my previous comment). They also do not create "toxic byproducts", else please cite me some research. Also, you do realize that your body is still breaking down the enzymes and proteins denatured or not? Your body has no use for whole protein structures or enzymes, it needs to break them into single amino acids (or sometimes peptides with 2 or 3 of them) for them to be usable at all.

No one is denying that gut health is important, but you're overstating the benefits of raw products, and you're understating (or directly lying about, with your own sources disagreeing with you) the risks. Risking food poisoning for some new gut bugs isn't worth it. Plus, there's some big overlap between the microbiota found in ferments and cooked food, and the one found in raw animal products, the ones that may differ aren't giving you any significant benefits in gut health (or else I'd like to read studies, because I really tried to find some but couldn't).

ill respond tomorrow bruh, DNR for now

 

[Zeekie]

Best example is Goatis he ate very old rotten meat and milk like 4 times a Week that’s what he said

Same dude to stab a bunch of people and who ended up in the hospital because of food poisoning (apparently) btw

 

[foidk3llr]

Same dude to stab a bunch of people and who ended up in the hospital because of food poisoning (apparently) btw

he ended up in the hospital because he starved himself and because of bone marrow from a sick animal

 

[Zeekie]

he ended up in the hospital because he starved himself and because of bone marrow from a sick animal

So even the Messiah of the raw carnivore cannot differentiate between a "healthy" or "sick" animal? Regardless whether an animal is sick or not isn't the determining factor for harmful microorganisms getting in the food, tons of other sources can be the cause for that. But guess what?! Even if the animal is sick or a pathogen gets there through other means, cooking the food makes that a non-issue!

 

[Zeekie]

ill respond tomorrow bruh, DNR for now

Sure, it's not like I wanna spend too much time on this today, I'll be waiting I guess

 

[foidk3llr]

So even the Messiah of the raw carnivore cannot differentiate between a "healthy" or "sick" animal? Regardless whether an animal is sick or not isn't the determining factor for harmful microorganisms getting in the food, tons of other sources can be the cause for that. But guess what?! Even if the animal is sick or a pathogen gets there through other means, cooking the food makes that a non-issue!

that was before he was even fully raw primal, and the problem is we have contradicting beliefs, to even get into raw meat you have to deny germ theory and believe in terrain theory

 

[Node]

So even the Messiah of the raw carnivore cannot differentiate between a "healthy" or "sick" animal? Regardless whether an animal is sick or not isn't the determining factor for harmful microorganisms getting in the food, tons of other sources can be the cause for that. But guess what?! Even if the animal is sick or a pathogen gets there through other means, cooking the food makes that a non-issue!

Very new to the diet

 

[foidk3llr]

interesting thread but this is water content for most users here

thats true but i see alot of retards on this forum when im lurking aswell

 

[SoylentChamp]

Your first point has no real argument

your second point is not true, beneficial bacteria are essential for breaking down damaged cells and recycling waste, if you dont have enough bacteria toxins will build up which leads to fermentation, putrefaction and disease

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(14)00345-6?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0092867414003456%3Fshowall%3Dtrue

(None of these studies are made in the context of supporting raw meat)

Third point. Raw meat, organs and raw dairy provide different species-specific naturally occuring bacteria and food specific enzymes not found in foods like yogurt or kefir,

theres bacteria naturally present on raw meat that help breaking down the proteins and fats, producing metabolites not found in dairy fermentation

Review: Diversity of Microorganisms in Global Fermented Foods and Beverages - PMC

Culturalable and non-culturable microorganisms naturally ferment majority of global fermented foods and beverages. Traditional food fermentation represents an extremely valuable cultural heritage in most regions, and harbors a huge genetic potential ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Point 4. I never claimed these studies specifically tell you to eat raw meat




Point 1: the bodys microbiome is incomplete without exposure to diverse live bacteria from food, cooking sterilizes this vital input, weakening digestion and regeneration, raw and fermented foods supply essential enzymes and microbes that modern diets lack, and this loss is a root cause of many chronic diseases.

Point 2. Denaturing isnt just a simple energy saving shortcut, you literally destroy the 3D structures of proteins, enzymes and cofactors that are essential for proper digestion and cellular repair, this causes toxic byproducts that your body then must work harder to detoxify, burning more energy than it "saves". Your bodys own enzymes have evolved alongside consuming raw and living tissues, not burnt food, enzymes on raw meat and raw dairy start digestion externally, reducing the digestive burden on your pancreas and gut lining, when you eat cooked food you force your body to produce more digestive enzymes and detox pathways to handle the damage.

Point 3. No point in responding to this since the points before are the answers

Point 4. Yes, your body does TRY to safely get rid of AGEs and other toxic byproducts, because your body is trying to detoxify, but if you constantly feed it a cooked heat damaged diet, you overwhelm the system overtime, its about chronic ev ryday exposure. The accumulation of AGEs is linked to inflammation, oxidative stress and accelerated aging, and other things i named

All the risks for raw meat only come from dirty sources, you will never get sick eating raw meat from a healthy animal, blame modern food processing

all the studies i linked worked for me when i pasted them, maybe i accidentally deleted some letters by accident because i obviously open the links myself before, ill go check now though

I'll respond after you provide sources that support your argument. (supply me with citations too so I don't spend hours reading through all of them)

 

[vincentzygo]

this is why your mom doesn't love you vincent

 

[Tyler1]

Same dude to stab a bunch of people and who ended up in the hospital because of food poisoning (apparently) btw

The food poisoning thing was at the beginning when he started with raw meat lol
Everyone makes mistakes
He ate the bone marrow raw and there are the worst things literally if the animal was unhealthy and sick

The stabbing is not true Goatis has already said there is no proof and he explained it in this video: (I think)

 

[Tyler1]

Use your brain if he stabbed someone in school he would be in jail

 

[tegene]

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Your first point has no real argument

your second point is not true, beneficial bacteria are essential for breaking down damaged cells and recycling waste, if you dont have enough bacteria toxins will build up which leads to fermentation, putrefaction and disease

https://www.cell.com/cell/fulltext/S0092-8674(14)00345-6?_returnURL=https%3A%2F%2Flinkinghub.elsevier.com%2Fretrieve%2Fpii%2FS0092867414003456%3Fshowall%3Dtrue

(None of these studies are made in the context of supporting raw meat)

Third point. Raw meat, organs and raw dairy provide different species-specific naturally occuring bacteria and food specific enzymes not found in foods like yogurt or kefir,

theres bacteria naturally present on raw meat that help breaking down the proteins and fats, producing metabolites not found in dairy fermentation

Review: Diversity of Microorganisms in Global Fermented Foods and Beverages - PMC

Culturalable and non-culturable microorganisms naturally ferment majority of global fermented foods and beverages. Traditional food fermentation represents an extremely valuable cultural heritage in most regions, and harbors a huge genetic potential ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Point 4. I never claimed these studies specifically tell you to eat raw meat




Point 1: the bodys microbiome is incomplete without exposure to diverse live bacteria from food, cooking sterilizes this vital input, weakening digestion and regeneration, raw and fermented foods supply essential enzymes and microbes that modern diets lack, and this loss is a root cause of many chronic diseases.

Point 2. Denaturing isnt just a simple energy saving shortcut, you literally destroy the 3D structures of proteins, enzymes and cofactors that are essential for proper digestion and cellular repair, this causes toxic byproducts that your body then must work harder to detoxify, burning more energy than it "saves". Your bodys own enzymes have evolved alongside consuming raw and living tissues, not burnt food, enzymes on raw meat and raw dairy start digestion externally, reducing the digestive burden on your pancreas and gut lining, when you eat cooked food you force your body to produce more digestive enzymes and detox pathways to handle the damage.

Point 3. No point in responding to this since the points before are the answers

Point 4. Yes, your body does TRY to safely get rid of AGEs and other toxic byproducts, because your body is trying to detoxify, but if you constantly feed it a cooked heat damaged diet, you overwhelm the system overtime, its about chronic ev ryday exposure. The accumulation of AGEs is linked to inflammation, oxidative stress and accelerated aging, and other things i named

All the risks for raw meat only come from dirty sources, you will never get sick eating raw meat from a healthy animal, blame modern food processing

all the studies i linked worked for me when i pasted them, maybe i accidentally deleted some letters by accident because i obviously open the links myself before, ill go check now though

Thanks for the explanation

 

[averagenormie]

Dnr peasants and slaves eat raw meat while chads and stacies eat cooked meat and mog this subhumans

 

[Claymoreboy0118]

@PajeetDatingCoach it's just like you said. All the boxes are ticked

 

[foidk3llr]

I'll respond after you provide sources that support your argument. (supply me with citations too so I don't spend hours reading through all of them)

alr, a big issue is there arent many studies that are about this topic, i will respond to the rest of you guys soon though

 

[PajeetDatingCoach]

@PajeetDatingCoach it's just like you said. All the boxes are ticked

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