READ THIS if you’re considering fat grafting

[greycel]

It can’t necessarily lift the tissue, but with added volume it can raise certain areas which gives the look of lifted tissue, so like, it won’t give more PCT, but if you get it under the lateral canthus, it can somewhat sharpen it.

That’s exactly what I need. Sharpening of the lateral canthus
Bro I’m not sure if you saw this btw:

Im curious is it the saggital projection of the infra implant (how positive the vector is) that is important, solely. Or is it also important that the height of the orbital vector is good, so the infras themselves are vertically high. And then fat grafting is required.

I know Positive Orbital Vector is most definitely important in both scenarios though.

Don’t know much about how recession of the infra rim works. I’m guessing a saddle of sorts for vertical augmentation of the rim, would result in you requiring less fat transfer to provide seamless results..

Also check your profile I posted edit

 

[bradpittshairline]

Did you get the hair transplant already?

 

[SteveRogers]

Did you get the hair transplant already?

Yes nigga almost a year ago jfl

 

[bradpittshairline]

Yes nigga almost a year ago jfl

I think the HT surgeon I'm considering is the one you went to, if you dont mind I would appretiate if you could help me decide to go with him

is it Dr L? if so how does it look now at the 1 yr mark

 

[bradpittshairline]

I think the HT surgeon I'm considering is the one you went to, if you dont mind I would appretiate if you could help me decide to go with him

is it Dr L? if so how does it look now at the 1 yr mark

come on nigga dont gatekeep i wont tell anyone im a giga autist researcher in this area at this point

 

[SteveRogers]

come on nigga dont gatekeep i wont tell anyone im a giga autist researcher in this area at this point

I’ve told you jfl, yeah Laorwong, multiple users here have used him, it’s a no brainer tbh. And results are like 90% if what my natural hair looks like.

 

[bradpittshairline]

I’ve told you jfl, yeah Laorwong, multiple users here have used him, it’s a no brainer tbh. And results are like 90% if what my natural hair looks like.

amazing, he had some misses this year but he never misses with young patients imo

what about his partner dr bonus? Ive seen that her hairlines are more natural in shape, irregularity and look dense too but idk if its gonna be as dense as Laorwong?

btw he quoted me 1000-1200 grafts

 

[sub5pslathlete]

Nah, it’s fat, it is permanent and doesn’t migrate.
It mogs fillers so fucking hard.
If you have good bones, you need fat grafting, will ascend MTN to HTN, HTN to chadelite etc.

So
It’s fat grafting if u lack fat
And implants if u lack bone

 

[agoostis]

It can’t necessarily lift the tissue, but with added volume it can raise certain areas which gives the look of lifted tissue, so like, it won’t give more PCT, but if you get it under the lateral canthus, it can somewhat sharpen it.

does he have insta or something to contact him?

 

[SteveRogers]

So
It’s fat grafting if u lack fat
And implants if u lack bone

Precisely

 

[ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP]

i wonder if you went to the same doctor i went to in bangkok

very experienced with fat grafts and i asked him many questions. he actually recommended i not get fat grafts for my under eyes. didn’t even try to scam me with the filler pipeline.

he was chill

Which doctor was this

Will be in BKK soon

 

[Mrxshmallow]

It can’t necessarily lift the tissue, but with added volume it can raise certain areas which gives the look of lifted tissue, so like, it won’t give more PCT, but if you get it under the lateral canthus, it can somewhat sharpen it.

Hey. My question is: fat grafting can be a good option compared to Supra orbital implants ?

 

[SteveRogers]

Hey. My question is: fat grafting can be a good option compared to Supra orbital implants ?

To my knowledge, absolutely

 

[leanmaxx74]

there just has to be a catch on fat graphs for fixing undereye support it sounds too good to be true if it can last 1-2 years, why would soo many normies go for filler if its more dangerous and not natural like using your own fat?

 

[Mr.Proper]

there just has to be a catch on fat graphs for fixing undereye support it sounds too good to be true if it can last 1-2 years, why would soo many normies go for filler if its more dangerous and not natural like using your own fat?

Fat grafting can be less predictable (you don't know how much exactly will survive), plus fillers tend to be an easier procedure, almost outpatient. But properly done fat grafts are better than fillers long-term IMO.
There IS a risk with an eye area - if you get fat injected into artery, you are screwed. Embolism is a scary complication. Doctor should use a blunt cannula, and check if he hit an artery by sucking in with syringe when injecting. Also, risk is lower if epinephrine is injected in the area beforehand, it makes blood vessels smaller.
I've seen videos of doctors doing fat grafting in eye area too fast and absolutely recklessly (patient was sleeping so doc didn't care), ask doc if he has any videos of him performing the procedure and run away if he treats patients like dolls.
If I remember correctly, fat grafts survivial rate depends, besides individual reception, on what filtering is used, what technique is used, how long material is stored, if prp or stem cells are added and so on. Be ready for multiple procedures/touch ups, people are rarely satisfied with single.

 

[leanmaxx74]

Fat grafting can be less predictable (you don't know how much exactly will survive), plus fillers tend to be an easier procedure, almost outpatient. But properly done fat grafts are better than fillers long-term IMO.
There IS a risk with an eye area - if you get fat injected into artery, you are screwed. Embolism is a scary complication. Doctor should use a blunt cannula, and check if he hit an artery by sucking in with syringe when injecting. Also, risk is lower if epinephrine is injected in the area beforehand, it makes blood vessels smaller.
I've seen videos of doctors doing fat grafting in eye area too fast and absolutely recklessly (patient was sleeping so doc didn't care), ask doc if he has any videos of him performing the procedure and run away if he treats patients like dolls.
If I remember correctly, fat grafts survivial rate depends, besides individual reception, on what filtering is used, what technique is used, how long material is stored, if prp or stem cells are added and so on. Be ready for multiple procedures/touch ups, people are rarely satisfied with single.

such a high iq respons thats makes sense thanks

 

[SteveRogers]

there just has to be a catch on fat graphs for fixing undereye support it sounds too good to be true if it can last 1-2 years, why would soo many normies go for filler if its more dangerous and not natural like using your own fat?

- Not 1-2 years, grafts are permanent
- Cost is like 20-50x
- Unpredictable results

Fat grafting can be less predictable (you don't know how much exactly will survive), plus fillers tend to be an easier procedure, almost outpatient. But properly done fat grafts are better than fillers long-term IMO.
There IS a risk with an eye area - if you get fat injected into artery, you are screwed. Embolism is a scary complication. Doctor should use a blunt cannula, and check if he hit an artery by sucking in with syringe when injecting. Also, risk is lower if epinephrine is injected in the area beforehand, it makes blood vessels smaller.
I've seen videos of doctors doing fat grafting in eye area too fast and absolutely recklessly (patient was sleeping so doc didn't care), ask doc if he has any videos of him performing the procedure and run away if he treats patients like dolls.
If I remember correctly, fat grafts survivial rate depends, besides individual reception, on what filtering is used, what technique is used, how long material is stored, if prp or stem cells are added and so on. Be ready for multiple procedures/touch ups, people are rarely satisfied with single.

Yeah it’s called aspiration, and yep 100%, very good tips.
Eye area is less risk though due to lower complication rates (makes sense, the only real dangerous arteries are subnasal and supraorbital) but of course, a 27g cannula will reduce the risk to 0%.

Fat grafting is seriously underrated here.

 

[Delons]

- Not 1-2 years, grafts are permanent
- Cost is like 20-50x
- Unpredictable results


Yeah it’s called aspiration, and yep 100%, very good tips.
Eye area is less risk though due to lower complication rates (makes sense, the only real dangerous arteries are subnasal and supraorbital) but of course, a 27g cannula will reduce the risk to 0%.

Fat grafting is seriously underrated here.

Have you gotten them done yet? Would love to see the results would ascend me hard if added to temple, under eyes and Nasolabials

 

[SteveRogers]

Have you gotten them done yet? Would love to see the results would ascend me hard if added to temple, under eyes and Nasolabials

Late September, will for certain be making a thread, which will be my full ascension, will be covering;
- MT2
- diet
- sarms / test
- my igf frame building experiment
- my HT
- microblading
- teeth whitening
- dickmaxxing
- and finally my fat grafting experience / results

by 2025, I will have gone from a PSL 4 (maybe 4.5 purely due to my bones if you looked past my next level horrid natural colouring) to a PSL 6+

 

[Sodoku]

I know you touched on this but why not go for the fillers v grafting? Is it only because grafting is permanent?

 

[LegitUser]

Late September, will for certain be making a thread, which will be my full ascension, will be covering;
- MT2
- diet
- sarms / test
- my igf frame building experiment
- my HT
- microblading
- teeth whitening
- dickmaxxing
- and finally my fat grafting experience / results

by 2025, I will have gone from a PSL 4 (maybe 4.5 purely due to my bones if you looked past my next level horrid natural colouring) to a PSL 6+

Mirin bro, I will also be doing alot in September and will get fat graft eventually. Sadly I will have to get fillers in the short term as I can't blast HGh if I get fat graft as it kills the fat

 

[Delons]

Late September, will for certain be making a thread, which will be my full ascension, will be covering;
- MT2
- diet
- sarms / test
- my igf frame building experiment
- my HT
- microblading
- teeth whitening
- dickmaxxing
- and finally my fat grafting experience / results

by 2025, I will have gone from a PSL 4 (maybe 4.5 purely due to my bones if you looked past my next level horrid natural colouring) to a PSL 6+

Mirin brah, am awaiting the thread

 

[Feliezzx]

It’s fat grafting if u lack fat
And implants if u lack bone

How do you tell apart?

 

[sub5pslathlete]

How do you tell apart?

can tell by how it looks

 

[Mrxshmallow]

To my knowledge, absolutely

Can I DM you?

 

[cantfathomcucks]

vertical hooding so overrated jfl.

true mogger eyelid is from low and smooth eyelid crease with voluminous and firm skin above it specially near medial part .

i emphasize the medial part because that's where most people even with decent eyes lack mostly.

achievable with fat grafts and filler i think but it's gonna sag either instantly or soon after if you don't have proper hard tissue support. you need specific portion of volume to be from hard tissue because one it doesn't sag and two it give the soft tissue the base for shaping. too much soft tissue and no bone tissue gonna sag, good soft tissue but too much bone also pushes out the soft part and again, gonna sag.




what you need to make (somewhat) vertical is your eyelid margin.


this is the part that actually mogs. hooding looks better because it frauds the eyelid margin.

 

[SteveRogers]

I know you touched on this but why not go for the fillers v grafting? Is it only because grafting is permanent?

That’s one reason, another is the fact that fat is within my own body, and it just sits well with me, knowing that it’s natural tissue.
Knowing that I’ll only need to risk complications once or twice, to achieve a permanent mogger result vs getting it right one time, then not knowing if your injector will be successful time after time, and each time, based on the numbers (still exceedingly low) your risk of adverse affects increase - of course, the main one is migration to be fair.

vertical hooding so overrated jfl.

true mogger eyelid is from low and smooth eyelid crease with voluminous and firm skin above it specially near medial partView attachment 2980145.View attachment 2980166View attachment 2980167

i emphasize the medial part because that's where most people even with decent eyes lack mostly.

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achievable with fat grafts and filler i think but it's gonna sag either instantly or soon after if you don't have proper hard tissue support. you need specific portion of volume to be from hard tissue because one it doesn't sag and two it give the soft tissue the base for shaping. too much soft tissue and no bone tissue gonna sag, good soft tissue but too much bone also pushes out the soft part and again, gonna sag.




what you need to make (somewhat) vertical is your eyelid margin.View attachment 2980195


this is the part that actually mogs. hooding looks better because it frauds the eyelid margin.

Fantastic advice, thank you.

Believe it or not, my eyes look very similar to this (extreme PCT) but with zero hooding - and my eyebrow extends further and has an arch.
This is the hooding I’m wanting; I need the lateral portion to hang / crease / cause the lateral canthus shadow that you see here; it’s a prerequisite to being gl imo.
I have a lot of supraorbital mass, with a fairly weak browridge; I SHOULD have hooding, but it’s non existent - what I’m saying is that I have the hard tissue to support it, and frankly, I don’t mind the Josh Brolin type sagged hooding.

 

[cantfathomcucks]

That’s one reason, another is the fact that fat is within my own body, and it just sits well with me, knowing that it’s natural tissue.
Knowing that I’ll only need to risk complications once or twice, to achieve a permanent mogger result vs getting it right one time, then not knowing if your injector will be successful time after time, and each time, based on the numbers (still exceedingly low) your risk of adverse affects increase - of course, the main one is migration to be fair.

Fantastic advice, thank you.
View attachment 2980506
Believe it or not, my eyes look very similar to this (extreme PCT) but with zero hooding - and my eyebrow extends further and has an arch.
This is the hooding I’m wanting; I need the lateral portion to hang / crease / cause the lateral canthus shadow that you see here; it’s a prerequisite to being gl imo.
I have a lot of supraorbital mass, with a fairly weak browridge; I SHOULD have hooding, but it’s non existent - what I’m saying is that I have the hard tissue to support it, and frankly, I don’t mind the Josh Brolin type sagged hooding.

dm me a picture.

 

[marken12]

I just had some eye area surgeries including upper eyelid fat grafting and it's completely changed my pheno, my upper eyelids are very very hooded now. I'm 7 days post op still very swollen but I'll start exercising after 3 weeks and I'm already dieting down so this fat gets absorbed, I highly suggest you don't do fat grafting in your upper eyelids because if you get overfilled you will look VERY different.

Hopefully in 4-8 weeks it'll look more like me but otherwise I'll probably need a revision upper bleph

 

[SteveRogers]

I just had some eye area surgeries including upper eyelid fat grafting and it's completely changed my pheno, my upper eyelids are very very hooded now. I'm 7 days post op still very swollen but I'll start exercising after 3 weeks and I'm already dieting down so this fat gets absorbed, I highly suggest you don't do fat grafting in your upper eyelids because if you get overfilled you will look VERY different.

Hopefully in 4-8 weeks it'll look more like me but otherwise I'll probably need a revision upper bleph

Great info, appreciate it.
Lifefuel to be totally honest, all I’ve ever wanted is my eyes to look very different -

Gonna show them this though so thag I do indeed get overfilled so that when a % inevitably gets reabsorbed, it won’t be too detrimental

This overly masc eye shape will be perfectly balanced with lateral lash lifting and lateral lower lash lift.
Genuine mogger shit
Damn Uma Thurman is hot, watching Gattaca rn, totally unrelated.

 

[marken12]

Great info, appreciate it.
Lifefuel to be totally honest, all I’ve ever wanted is my eyes to look very different -
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Gonna show them this though so thag I do indeed get overfilled so that when a % inevitably gets reabsorbed, it won’t be too detrimental
View attachment 3013306
This overly masc eye shape will be perfectly balanced with lateral lash lifting and lateral lower lash lift.
Genuine mogger shit
Damn Uma Thurman is hot, watching Gattaca rn, totally unrelated.

It's not going to look like you think it'll look unless you also lower your brow. Your area will just be filled with fat and you'll look kinda hapa/russian

 

[SteveRogers]

It's not going to look like you think it'll look unless you also lower your brow. Your area will just be filled with fat and you'll look kinda hapa/russian

Yeah I likely will, botox to temporalis is cheap and easy.
My pheno is very Scandinavian / Atlantid - this is cherry on top type stuff
Trust me, my eyes are LTN after pdo threads, it sucked my upper eyelid fat into my skull and made me go from minimal UEE to Cillian Murphy tier.
I can’t see this not ascending me, especially if the shape is nailed, to a chadelite no matter what; haircut, lighting etc.

 

[JohnDoe]

I like this nigga
I’ve always been saying that Salludon actually got his straight hooded eyes from fat grafting
Now he’s become a bit lean it’s no longer hooded perfectly straight though



My question is you said it lasts forever, but yk when you age the periorbital fat starts sagging because of recessed infras, or even aging in general. Don’t you think the same shit will occur with this new fat added? It will start sagging too?

mewing/chewing can cause that salludon eye area too apparently

 

[JohnDoe]

OP are you going to post before/after pics?

 

[WrathOfOlives]

I've been telling people, thai surgeons are legit - they're like koreans but cheaper. The third world status people give to thailand is unjust.

 

[SteveRogers]

OP are you going to post before/after pics?

Most certainly - the shit I’m getting could revolutionise looksmaxxing forever.
Not just face grafting btw, shoulder and dick jfl (I already have like 5.5” of girth and a 21” bideltoid, but for $2k each, why not?

I've been telling people, thai surgeons are legit - they're like koreans but cheaper. The third world status people give to thailand is unjust.

100%, I went to Bangkok for my HT and so did Arvid, couldn’t speak more highly of the place and clinic.

 

[coxel]

Most certainly - the shit I’m getting could revolutionise looksmaxxing forever.
Not just face grafting btw, shoulder and dick jfl (I already have like 5.5” of girth and a 21” bideltoid, but for $2k each, why not?

100%, I went to Bangkok for my HT and so did Arvid, couldn’t speak more highly of the place and clinic.

what's the clinic name, i sent you a pm a while back pls respond :>

 

[SteveRogers]

what's the clinic name, i sent you a pm a while back pls respond :>

For HT, Absolute Hair Clinic, I’ve said many times but happy to repeat.

 

[coxel]

For HT, Absolute Hair Clinic, I’ve said many times but happy to repeat.

oh nah bro i meant for the fat graft you’ve planned, should’ve specified

 

[SteveRogers]

oh nah bro i meant for the fat graft you’ve planned, should’ve specified

Rattinan clinic

 

[Mrxshmallow]

Most certainly - the shit I’m getting could revolutionise looksmaxxing forever.
Not just face grafting btw, shoulder and dick jfl (I already have like 5.5” of girth and a 21” bideltoid, but for $2k each, why not?

100%, I went to Bangkok for my HT and so did Arvid, couldn’t speak more highly of the place and clinic.

Hey; I’ve sent you a dm check thanks.

 

[6foot3Mediterranean]

fuaaark this shi is lifefuel

 

[bibiana]

Just got off a video call with a well renowned clinic in Bangkok, it’s close to where I got my HT done, and I love the area, so I thought fuck it, let’s fix my failos once and for all.

I legit gave him 200+ questions in like 20 mins, I should have screen recorded it tbh.

Anyway, if you’re considering fat grafts in order to create halos, here are some notes;

• You CAN create a straight vertical line hooding, regardless or supraorbital shape (this was my first question and he was baffled that I knew what supras were jfl)
• You CAN raise your lower lid, of course, if you overfill, you can get sagging, however so long as you go deep, and are conservative, you can raise your lower lid, in my case, get it to the point where it’s almost straight, just sweeping into the lateral canthus, sharping your eyes
• You can fix a depressed philtrum (idk how else to describe it, look at Zac Efron’s, it’s like, it depresses inwards from the nose to the upper lip).
• You can fix a mentolabial fold, small lips etc. everyone knows this, HOWEVER, the survival rate in this area is low, why? Because any dynamic part of the body will kill more fat cells, so under eyes, higher survival rate, mouth area, lower survival rate - so just mutemaxx and sunglassesmaxx for a month afterwards.
• You can create a sharp and square chin, however it can’t exceed 3mm in added height, and can be very unpredictable results wise (you’ll never know unless you try)
• No gym / running / very very very light exercise for 8 weeks after the procedure.

The biggest one is raising the lower lid, wild to think that most people can achieve genuine high appeal almond / hunter eyes from a simple procedure, and lasts forever, as opposed to temporary shit like fillers, cantho etc.

He also had case studies for all of my desired outcomes (I sperged out and wrote up a PDF the other day and sent it prior), they all checked out - one such case was a white dude who wanted the glassy asian look, anyway he had “full face” grafting and bio stimulators and whatever, anyway he went from like Cillian Murphy tier eye area to Chico-lite, he said that case was extra impressive as it was a single session result, 3 months post op.

Oh also, expect sub 20% survival rate if you continue exercising, 50% in the high expression areas, and 70%+ in the static areas - because of this, we’re going to overfill all areas by 120%

If anyone has additional questions and suggestions lmk

@Clavicular
@Orc
@androgenic
@Kaz
@NorwoodAscender

Can you share the hospital and doctor name

 

[DoneFor404]

Nah, it’s fat, it is permanent and doesn’t migrate.
It mogs fillers so fucking hard.
If you have good bones, you need fat grafting, will ascend MTN to HTN, HTN to chadelite etc.

Yo can I know the clinic and doctor name?

 

[SteveRogers]

Can you share the hospital and doctor name

Yo can I know the clinic and doctor name?

Rattinan Clinic Bangkok

 

[curryascenderr]

I have a very rounder lower eyelid and fatloss causing hollwoing of undereyes. Would this give me a straight lower eyelid. If i could fix this i would legit have hunter eyes