Reason why i don’t believe in religion from a logical perspective.

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The reason I don’t believe in religion is that I find it strange and unconvincing that the foundation of so many faiths rests on the claims of a single person who supposedly had a supernatural encounter. For example, in some religions, the story begins with an ordinary individual who says an angel appeared to them, told them that God is real, and instructed them to write down a divine message. We are then expected to accept that account as truth, often without independent evidence, simply because this person said it happened.

Similarly, in Christianity, a central claim is that a human being was also God a belief that relies heavily on ancient testimonies and religious tradition rather than verifiable proof. In both cases, it comes down to extraordinary claims made by human beings, recorded long ago, and passed down over centuries.

To me, it feels risky to base an entire worldview and moral system on stories that ultimately depend on trusting the words of a few people from ancient history people we cannot question, whose accounts cannot be cross-checked, and whose experiences might have been misunderstood, exaggerated, or even invented. Without stronger evidence, I find it more reasonable to remain skeptical.


Solution:

If God truly wanted every person to believe in His religion without doubt, and to avoid the possibility of ending up in Hell, He could have revealed Himself in a way that left no room for misunderstanding. Instead of delivering His message to just a handful of individuals thousands of years ago, He could have spoken directly to every human being, in a manner so clear and undeniable that no one could mistake it for anything else. Miracles could happen openly and continually, under circumstances where deception or coincidence would be impossible, so that everyone could see for themselves that the supernatural exists.

The message itself could have been perfectly clear and universally understood, without the ambiguities, contradictions, and translation issues that have caused centuries of religious division. Every person, regardless of where or when they were born, could have received the same knowledge and the same opportunity to know Him. And if there was only one true faith, God could have made it so no other religions ever arose to compete with it, eliminating the confusion of having multiple faiths all claiming to be the one and only truth.

Had the world been created in this way, belief in God would be as natural and unavoidable as believing in the existence of the sun. No one could say they were misled, born in the wrong place, or left in doubt. In such a reality, disbelief could only come from deliberate rejection, not from the lack of convincing evidence and the justice of reward or punishment would be far easier to understand.
 
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@Bryce @Node @dnrwarrior11 @idkmanimao
 
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Don't let this reach PrinceLuenLeoncur :hnghn:
 
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Dang
 
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‼️!HEY GUYS MEGANEGA NEWS INCOMING THIS IS WHY @Bryce DOESN'T BELIEVE IN RELIGION!‼️🤯🤯
 
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I have already spoken to him on this topic. No need to best a dead horse leave the infidel in peace it brings him peace that there is no god and that’s fine leave him be

I won’t waste time arguing for no fruit.
 
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@Jason Voorhees what do you think?
 
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I have already spoken to him on this topic. No need to best a dead horse leave the infidel in peace it brings him peace that there is no god and that’s fine leave him be

I won’t waste time arguing for no fruit

You’re wrong, i do believe in God however not religion because i cannot be certain and 100% sure that the religion ill adhere myself to is true. Just like you, you are believing in christianity based on faith, i wish i knew what the true religion was however you aswell know that its all faith.
 
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You’re wrong, i do believe in God however not religion because i cannot be certain and 100% sure that the religion ill adhere myself to is true. Just like you, you are believing in christianity based on faith, i wish i knew what the true religion was however you aswell know that its all faith.
Just bekive in what you want man nobody gives a shit tbh
 
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The reason I don’t believe in religion is that I find it strange and unconvincing that the foundation of so many faiths rests on the claims of a single person who supposedly had a supernatural encounter. For example, in some religions, the story begins with an ordinary individual who says an angel appeared to them, told them that God is real, and instructed them to write down a divine message. We are then expected to accept that account as truth, often without independent evidence, simply because this person said it happened.

Similarly, in Christianity, a central claim is that a human being was also God a belief that relies heavily on ancient testimonies and religious tradition rather than verifiable proof. In both cases, it comes down to extraordinary claims made by human beings, recorded long ago, and passed down over centuries.

To me, it feels risky to base an entire worldview and moral system on stories that ultimately depend on trusting the words of a few people from ancient history people we cannot question, whose accounts cannot be cross-checked, and whose experiences might have been misunderstood, exaggerated, or even invented. Without stronger evidence, I find it more reasonable to remain skeptical.


Solution:

If God truly wanted every person to believe in His religion without doubt, and to avoid the possibility of ending up in Hell, He could have revealed Himself in a way that left no room for misunderstanding. Instead of delivering His message to just a handful of individuals thousands of years ago, He could have spoken directly to every human being, in a manner so clear and undeniable that no one could mistake it for anything else. Miracles could happen openly and continually, under circumstances where deception or coincidence would be impossible, so that everyone could see for themselves that the supernatural exists.

The message itself could have been perfectly clear and universally understood, without the ambiguities, contradictions, and translation issues that have caused centuries of religious division. Every person, regardless of where or when they were born, could have received the same knowledge and the same opportunity to know Him. And if there was only one true faith, God could have made it so no other religions ever arose to compete with it, eliminating the confusion of having multiple faiths all claiming to be the one and only truth.

Had the world been created in this way, belief in God would be as natural and unavoidable as believing in the existence of the sun. No one could say they were misled, born in the wrong place, or left in doubt. In such a reality, disbelief could only come from deliberate rejection, not from the lack of convincing evidence and the justice of reward or punishment would be far easier to understand.
first of all who's the person in the avi

otherwise you're probably right but sounds like a copy pasta
 
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So basically you're crying that God didnt do things the way you wanted Him to do things
 
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So basically you're crying that God didnt do things the way you wanted Him to do things
It’s not about wanting God to “do things my way.” It’s about pointing out that if the goal really is for all people to believe the right religion and avoid eternal punishment, the way the message has been delivered throughout history doesn’t seem consistent with that goal.

If an allpowerful, allknowing God wanted belief to be clear and undeniable, He could make it that way for everyoneand He would know exactly how to do so. The fact that the evidence is indirect, limited, and heavily dependent on where and when you’re born raises legitimate questions about whether the claimed goal matches the reality we see. That’s not me demanding my preferences it’s me noticing the mismatch between the claims and the world.
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It’s not about wanting God to “do things my way.” It’s about pointing out that if the goal really is for all people to believe the right religion and avoid eternal punishment, the way the message has been delivered throughout history doesn’t seem consistent with that goal.
Who said thats Gods goal?
If an allpowerful, allknowing God wanted belief to be clear and undeniable, He could make it that way for everyoneand He would know exactly how to do so. The fact that the evidence is indirect, limited, and heavily dependent on where and when you’re born raises legitimate questions about whether the claimed goal matches the reality we see. That’s not me demanding my preferences it’s me noticing the mismatch between the claims and the world.
Yeah and He has.

How is it indirect and limited?

Yeah being born in certain place does have an effect but people change their religion all the time so its irrelevant.
 
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Who said thats Gods goal?

Yeah and He has.

How is it indirect and limited?

Yeah being born in certain place does have an effect but people change their religion all the time so its irrelevant.
If God’s goal isn’t for everyone to believe and avoid Hell, then why punish people for disbelief? And if He has made it clear, why do most people only know Him through secondhand stories and ancient texts, not direct evidence? Yes, people change religions but most stick to what they were born into. That’s not equal access to truth.
 
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If God’s goal isn’t for everyone to believe and avoid Hell, then why punish people for disbelief?
Actions have consequences. His Creation His choice.
And if He has made it clear, why do most people only know Him through secondhand stories and ancient texts, not direct evidence?
It is clear. Do you even know what you're looking for?
What is 'direct evidence'?
 
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Actions have consequences. His Creation His choice.

It is clear. Do you even know what you're looking for?
What is 'direct evidence'?
If God made the rules and the consequences are eternal, then fairness demands that everyone understands those rules beyond all doubt before being judged. But in reality, people mostly inherit their beliefs from culture, and the “evidence” comes through ancient stories, not direct experience. Calling that “clear” is just assuming the conclusion you already believe.

Direct evidence means something that doesn’t rely on trusting other humans something as undeniable as the sun in the sky. If God can make Himself obvious to one person, He can make Himself obvious to everyone. The fact that He doesn’t is exactly why disbelief exists.
 
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Who said thats Gods goal?

Yeah and He has.

How is it indirect and limited?

Yeah being born in certain place does have an effect but people change their religion all the time so its irrelevant.
This is why I won’t bother with him. Just ignore his anti religious trirades there ain’t no helping him just leave him and give him no attention

He uses the word “logic” even after I have exhaustedly told him this cannot exist in his paradigm yet he insists on using it. Point is this is a hard headed donut just leave him be and smile
 
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The reason I don’t believe in religion is that I find it strange and unconvincing that the foundation of so many faiths rests on the claims of a single person who supposedly had a supernatural encounter. For example, in some religions, the story begins with an ordinary individual who says an angel appeared to them, told them that God is real, and instructed them to write down a divine message. We are then expected to accept that account as truth, often without independent evidence, simply because this person said it happened.

Similarly, in Christianity, a central claim is that a human being was also God a belief that relies heavily on ancient testimonies and religious tradition rather than verifiable proof. In both cases, it comes down to extraordinary claims made by human beings, recorded long ago, and passed down over centuries.

To me, it feels risky to base an entire worldview and moral system on stories that ultimately depend on trusting the words of a few people from ancient history people we cannot question, whose accounts cannot be cross-checked, and whose experiences might have been misunderstood, exaggerated, or even invented. Without stronger evidence, I find it more reasonable to remain skeptical.


Solution:

If God truly wanted every person to believe in His religion without doubt, and to avoid the possibility of ending up in Hell, He could have revealed Himself in a way that left no room for misunderstanding. Instead of delivering His message to just a handful of individuals thousands of years ago, He could have spoken directly to every human being, in a manner so clear and undeniable that no one could mistake it for anything else. Miracles could happen openly and continually, under circumstances where deception or coincidence would be impossible, so that everyone could see for themselves that the supernatural exists.

The message itself could have been perfectly clear and universally understood, without the ambiguities, contradictions, and translation issues that have caused centuries of religious division. Every person, regardless of where or when they were born, could have received the same knowledge and the same opportunity to know Him. And if there was only one true faith, God could have made it so no other religions ever arose to compete with it, eliminating the confusion of having multiple faiths all claiming to be the one and only truth.

Had the world been created in this way, belief in God would be as natural and unavoidable as believing in the existence of the sun. No one could say they were misled, born in the wrong place, or left in doubt. In such a reality, disbelief could only come from deliberate rejection, not from the lack of convincing evidence and the justice of reward or punishment would be far easier to understand.
DNR. Fuck religion anyway
 
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This is why I won’t bother with him. Just ignore his anti religious trirades there ain’t no helping him just leave him and give him no attention

He uses the word “logic” even after I have exhaustedly told him this cannot exist in his paradigm yet he insists on using it. Point is this is a hard headed donut just leave him be and smile
sounds like a cope
 
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Direct evidence means something that doesn’t rely on trusting other humans something as undeniable as the sun in the sky. If God can make Himself obvious to one person, He can make Himself obvious to everyone. The fact that He doesn’t is exactly why disbelief exists.
It is obvious.
Unless you're saying the Universe came from nothing and magically created itself? :lul:

Whats the point of having a brain if you're not going to use it?
 
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sounds like a cope
Yeah tell yourself that :lul:. As I said last time UNTIL you provide an account for transcendental categories such as “Logic” we will NEVER debate this subject again. I have already humiliated you twice on this form now.

I have no reason to do it again :lul: unless you actually give an account there is no more to be said. I’m just warning others to not fall for your bait threads
 
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It is obvious.
Unless you're saying the Universe came from nothing and magically created itself? :lul:

Whats the point of having a brain if you're not going to use it?
I’m not saying the universe came from nothing, I do believe in some kind of creator. I just don’t see convincing evidence that any religion has a monopoly on that creator’s truth. The universe being designed doesn’t automatically mean the Bible, Quran, or any other scripture is divinely perfect it only means something greater exists. My brain works just fine; that’s why I separate the idea of God from man-made religious systems. lol…
 
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Yeah tell yourself that :lul:. As I said last time UNTIL you provide an account for transcendental categories such as “Logic” we will NEVER debate this subject again. I have already humiliated you twice on this form now.

I have no reason to do it again :lul: unless you actually give an account there is no more to be said. I’m just warning others to not fall for your bait threads
i gave you it, you never replied
 
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I’m not saying the universe came from nothing, I do believe in some kind of creator.
ok
I just don’t see convincing evidence that any religion has a monopoly on that creator’s truth.
Based on what?
How would God make Himself obvious to you?
Do you have a criteria for this?
You're being very vague.
 
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i gave you it, you never replied
Because it wasn’t an account it was you simply restating your position.

If I balked you that’s what it means. It means your response validated my point and thus you weren’t worthy of speaking 2 ever again
 
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ok

Based on what?
How would God make Himself obvious to you?
Do you have a criteria for this?
You're being very vague.
Based on the same thing you’re asking me to use reason. If God wanted to make Himself obvious to me, it would mean showing up in a way that doesn’t rely on me trusting ancient stories or another human’s claim. A direct, undeniable experience something as impossible to dismiss as gravity or the sun in the sky would do it.

And yes, that’s my criteria: an encounter so clear that it leaves no room for confusion or competing interpretations. If God is allpowerful, He’d know exactly how to meet that standard. The fact that this hasn’t happened for most people is why doubt exists.
 
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Based on the same thing you’re asking me to use reason. If God wanted to make Himself obvious to me, it would mean showing up in a way that doesn’t rely on me trusting ancient stories or another human’s claim. A direct, undeniable experience something as impossible to dismiss as gravity or the sun in the sky would do it.
So if the stars wrote 'X religion is true', you would believe it?
And yes, that’s my criteria: an encounter so clear that it leaves no room for confusion or competing interpretations. If God is allpowerful, He’d know exactly how to meet that standard. The fact that this hasn’t happened for most people is why doubt exists.
Maybe He has but you ignored?
 
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The reason I don’t believe in religion is that I find it strange and unconvincing that the foundation of so many faiths rests on the claims of a single person who supposedly had a supernatural encounter. For example, in some religions, the story begins with an ordinary individual who says an angel appeared to them, told them that God is real, and instructed them to write down a divine message. We are then expected to accept that account as truth, often without independent evidence, simply because this person said it happened.

Similarly, in Christianity, a central claim is that a human being was also God a belief that relies heavily on ancient testimonies and religious tradition rather than verifiable proof. In both cases, it comes down to extraordinary claims made by human beings, recorded long ago, and passed down over centuries.

To me, it feels risky to base an entire worldview and moral system on stories that ultimately depend on trusting the words of a few people from ancient history people we cannot question, whose accounts cannot be cross-checked, and whose experiences might have been misunderstood, exaggerated, or even invented. Without stronger evidence, I find it more reasonable to remain skeptical.


Solution:

If God truly wanted every person to believe in His religion without doubt, and to avoid the possibility of ending up in Hell, He could have revealed Himself in a way that left no room for misunderstanding. Instead of delivering His message to just a handful of individuals thousands of years ago, He could have spoken directly to every human being, in a manner so clear and undeniable that no one could mistake it for anything else. Miracles could happen openly and continually, under circumstances where deception or coincidence would be impossible, so that everyone could see for themselves that the supernatural exists.

The message itself could have been perfectly clear and universally understood, without the ambiguities, contradictions, and translation issues that have caused centuries of religious division. Every person, regardless of where or when they were born, could have received the same knowledge and the same opportunity to know Him. And if there was only one true faith, God could have made it so no other religions ever arose to compete with it, eliminating the confusion of having multiple faiths all claiming to be the one and only truth.

Had the world been created in this way, belief in God would be as natural and unavoidable as believing in the existence of the sun. No one could say they were misled, born in the wrong place, or left in doubt. In such a reality, disbelief could only come from deliberate rejection, not from the lack of convincing evidence and the justice of reward or punishment would be far easier to understand.
Sorry I couldn’t respond, I was busy. My take on religion is: this so called “God” has been there forever. Yet we only discovered that during B.C (don’t remember the time) but lots of people were afraid of dying without knowing what comes next. They then proceeded to make God and Jesus to give people hope/to put society in check. It’s like the same idea as Santa Claws. If you’re bad, you get coal. If you sin lots, you’ll go to hell. And vise versa with being good/heaven.
 
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It is obvious.
Unless you're saying the Universe came from nothing and magically created itself? :lul:

Whats the point of having a brain if you're not going to use it?
yet you don’t know what happened either. You don’t fully know if Gods real lmafo. It’s called FAITH for a reason. And you can’t take the universe forming out of nothing out of the question. We’re all too stupid to fully understand of course. so don’t ridicule others for not agreeing with you.
 
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yet you don’t know what happened either.
You're ignorant then force it onto others
if you dont know then how do you know others dont know?
Arrogance + ignorance = you
You don’t fully know if Gods real lmafo.
Ok how do you know that?
Projecting willful ignorance again :lul:
And you can’t take the universe forming out of nothing out of the question
Nothing = Absence of everything
How can something come from that?
Can you justify it?
If you cant,you're just throwing out rubbish and panicking
We’re all too stupid to fully understand of course
Speak for yourself :lul:
so don’t ridicule others for not agreeing with you.
Cope
 
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You're ignorant then force it onto others
if you dont know then how do you know others dont know?
Arrogance + ignorance = you

Ok how do you know that?
“muh, a book said a all powerful God is real so I’m making my life revolve around it” your so fucking retarded. I’m not even going to argue with you apt because this will lead to nowhere.
 
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“muh, a book said a all powerful God is real so I’m making my life revolve around it
Never said that -
Bro has no reading comprehension :lul:
your so fucking retarded.
Says not to ridicule others - then calls other people retarded
🤡
I’m not even going to argue with you apt because this will lead to nowhere.
Yeah run away like a coward once you cant refute my argument.
Tapped out early

Smacked
 
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lol pussy still ain’t got an account for why logic is the way it is and how it exists and what its ontological state is. This is what Gaytheism leads to pure mental retardation. But then again you was Muslim so you went from one retarded belief to another. Kinda pity you tbh

Thankfully other Kurds are high IQ, change your name your not worthy to be Kurdish they are good god fearing people and smart your neither
 
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The reason I don’t believe in religion is that I find it strange and unconvincing that the foundation of so many faiths rests on the claims of a single person who supposedly had a supernatural encounter. For example, in some religions, the story begins with an ordinary individual who says an angel appeared to them, told them that God is real, and instructed them to write down a divine message. We are then expected to accept that account as truth, often without independent evidence, simply because this person said it happened.

Similarly, in Christianity, a central claim is that a human being was also God a belief that relies heavily on ancient testimonies and religious tradition rather than verifiable proof. In both cases, it comes down to extraordinary claims made by human beings, recorded long ago, and passed down over centuries.

To me, it feels risky to base an entire worldview and moral system on stories that ultimately depend on trusting the words of a few people from ancient history people we cannot question, whose accounts cannot be cross-checked, and whose experiences might have been misunderstood, exaggerated, or even invented. Without stronger evidence, I find it more reasonable to remain skeptical.


Solution:

If God truly wanted every person to believe in His religion without doubt, and to avoid the possibility of ending up in Hell, He could have revealed Himself in a way that left no room for misunderstanding. Instead of delivering His message to just a handful of individuals thousands of years ago, He could have spoken directly to every human being, in a manner so clear and undeniable that no one could mistake it for anything else. Miracles could happen openly and continually, under circumstances where deception or coincidence would be impossible, so that everyone could see for themselves that the supernatural exists.

The message itself could have been perfectly clear and universally understood, without the ambiguities, contradictions, and translation issues that have caused centuries of religious division. Every person, regardless of where or when they were born, could have received the same knowledge and the same opportunity to know Him. And if there was only one true faith, God could have made it so no other religions ever arose to compete with it, eliminating the confusion of having multiple faiths all claiming to be the one and only truth.

Had the world been created in this way, belief in God would be as natural and unavoidable as believing in the existence of the sun. No one could say they were misled, born in the wrong place, or left in doubt. In such a reality, disbelief could only come from deliberate rejection, not from the lack of convincing evidence and the justice of reward or punishment would be far easier to understand.
idk man the birth of the universe poinst to a higher mind clearly, and christianity is the most likely to be the true one
 
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Never said that -
Bro has no reading comprehension :lul:

Says not to ridicule others - then calls other people retarded
🤡

Yeah run away like a coward once you cant refute my argument.
Tapped out early

Smacked
GAYthiest moment

All they do is strawman it’s tiring tbh.

I don’t even know why they care? If there’s no god eveythinf is ultimately meaningless in the gran scheme of things there is no purpose tk anything it simply “just is” so why these guys get so hard strung makes me chuckle its like their souls are revolting against their low IQ brains which is why they obsess over religion and hate a god they don’t even believe exists
 
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idk man the birth of the universe poinst to a higher mind clearly, and christianity is the most likely to be the true one
You didn’t understand a single molecule from this thread
 
Sorry I couldn’t respond, I was busy. My take on religion is: this so called “God” has been there forever. Yet we only discovered that during B.C (don’t remember the time) but lots of people were afraid of dying without knowing what comes next. They then proceeded to make God and Jesus to give people hope/to put society in check. It’s like the same idea as Santa Claws. If you’re bad, you get coal. If you sin lots, you’ll go to hell. And vise versa with being good/heaven.
Completely agree
 
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So if the stars wrote 'X religion is true', you would believe it?

Maybe He has but you ignored?
If the stars literally rearranged themselves to spell “X religion is true,” and everyone on Earth saw it at the same time, in every language, and it stayed there long enough for it to be studied and verified, then yes that would be direct, testable evidence worth taking seriously.

Saying “He has but you ignored” isn’t an argument, it’s just an assumption that your interpretation of events is correct. The reality is, billions of people including intelligent, thoughtful ones have looked at the same world you have and still found no compelling reason to accept your specific belief. That doesn’t happen if the evidence is truly undeniable.
 
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GAYthiest moment

All they do is strawman it’s tiring tbh.

I don’t even know why they care? If there’s no god eveythinf is ultimately meaningless in the gran scheme of things there is no purpose tk anything it simply “just is” so why these guys get so hard strung makes me chuckle its like their souls are revolting against their low IQ brains which is why they obsess over religion and hate a god they don’t even believe exists
No one said there is no higher deity, you’re just a retard who can’t read? Stfu
 
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