Religion is genuine cope

[sitto]

Religion is born as a way to give lawless men morals and to answer their questions. Overtime it evolves to fit the narrative of the winners of history and powerful men by changing words, translations, etc etc. Anyone that hangs onto religion nowadays does it as a way to cope against the cruel world we live in.
Religion is useless.
Morals change based on the culture and people you hang with and should never be decided by the powerful. If you decided not to rope because of religion, you are a weak pathetic man that would've been too scared to do it.
Religious/modern people are told how to live, who to live for and what is right and wrong, that's the problem with society and the modern man. This whole forum is evidence that we are way too shaped by society than by our ideals.
Most people here will commit the worst crime of all, they'll waste their life. You believe in an order that is forced upon you to keep you good and at ease.
kind of a rant.

 

[hopelessmanlet32]

niggas will click on this Always wanting to be reminded of the most fucking obvious watah ever

 

[Banana ★ 🍌]

High iq

 

[fuckimuglyshjt]

water

 

[Hess]

Calling religion a cope for suffering is very surface level, especially when actual religious devotion and dedication is far more harder than most people can handle and will always either just not follow their religion as deeply or just reject it, the average priest or dedicated religious man has far mroe conviction, ideals and free thinking to their personal beliefs compared to the average non-religious person

 

[CloudyCuck]

Only the gay religions like Pisslam and paganism

 

[Hess]

Calling religion a cope for suffering is very surface level, especially when actual religious devotion and dedication is far more harder than most people can handle and will always either just not follow their religion as deeply or just reject it, the average priest or dedicated religious man has far mroe conviction, ideals and free thinking to their personal beliefs compared to the average non-religious person

Also this doesnt even fit with most religions, christanity and abhramic religions in general are unique in the regard that they actively made converting populations and being universal as opposed to most pagan religions being heavily changed as time passed while also not being actively coherrent or having a universal structure that could expand outside of their tribes (look at how IE paganism evolved into norse paganism, roman paganism, greek paganism etc)

 

[sitto]

Also this doesnt even fit with most religions, christanity and abhramic religions in general are unique

They've actually been influenced by the ancient Mesopotamian populations in many ways

 

[tiredman]

Water next question

 

[Hess]

They've actually been influenced by the ancient Mesopotamian populations in many ways

Not directly, through judaism mostly but even then it is very surface level similarites, their moral philosophies and religious structures are extremely opposed, it has its influences but the abrahamic religions are extremely unique in this regard with the monotheism and not viewing god/gods as angry forces of nature to appease but someone you must actively seek a relationship and seek redemption for, the gods in mesopotamia and paganism were just immortal humans or personification of certain forces of nature, while the God in abrahamism is not some immortal man but an incomprehensible concept that is directly tied with the divine and absolute good, with evil not being some separate thing but just simply the lack of that God's essence

 

[acac]

Not directly, through judaism mostly but even then it is very surface level similarites, their moral philosophies and religious structures are extremely opposed, it has its influences but the abrahamic religions are extremely unique in this regard with the monotheism and not viewing god/gods as angry forces of nature to appease but someone you must actively seek a relationship and seek redemption for, the gods in mesopotamia and paganism were just immortal humans or personification of certain forces of nature, while the God in abrahamism is not some immortal man but an incomprehensible concept that is directly tied with the divine and absolute good, with evil not being some separate thing but just simply the lack of that God's essence

high iq posting

 

[sitto]

Not directly, through judaism mostly but even then it is very surface level similarites, their moral philosophies and religious structures are extremely opposed, it has its influences but the abrahamic religions are extremely unique in this regard with the monotheism and not viewing god/gods as angry forces of nature to appease but someone you must actively seek a relationship and seek redemption for, the gods in mesopotamia and paganism were just immortal humans or personification of certain forces of nature, while the God in abrahamism is not some immortal man but an incomprehensible concept that is directly tied with the divine and absolute good, with evil not being some separate thing but just simply the lack of that God's essence

Judaism and Christianity steal the following from other religions:

1. The Flood Story - contained in the Epic of Gilgamesh and Atrahasis which were of obvious inspiration.
2. Creation Stories - the Enuma Elish is probably what the Genesis is based on according to scholars.
3. Garden of Eden - scholars argue that it's inspired by the Near Eatern motif of a sacred life-giving garden.
4. Angels and Demons - during n after the Babylonian Exile the jews came in contact with Zoroastrianism and it is believed that this period influenced their views on angles, demons and conflict between good and evil These ideas later on developed by themselves.
5. Satan - historians claim that the idea of Satan comes from Persian culture.
6. Resurrection and the Last Judgment - this belief appears relatively late in jewish history so it's believe that contact with the Persians, once again, influenced them heavily.
7. Virgin Birth - stories like these existed for thousand of centuries before Christianity and the story might be influenced by Egyptian or Greek myths.
8. Dying and rising of Gods - Jesus' story might've been influenced by the ones of Osiris and Tammuz. Also many older myths talk about resurrection (duh).
9. December 25th - Do I need to say anything? Wrong date influenced by other religions.
10. Christmas Traditions - obviously they have nothing to do with Christianity but this is kind of nitpicking.
11. Easter Traditions - once again, made later on based on european traditions.

Conclusion: Religions are constantly borrowing because that's all they are, borrowed beliefs.
If you need sources, ask.

 

[MROK1231]

Religion is born as a way to give lawless men morals and to answer their questions. Overtime it evolves to fit the narrative of the winners of history and powerful men by changing words, translations, etc etc. Anyone that hangs onto religion nowadays does it as a way to cope against the cruel world we live in.
Religion is useless.
Morals change based on the culture and people you hang with and should never be decided by the powerful. If you decided not to rope because of religion, you are a weak pathetic man that would've been too scared to do it.
Religious/modern people are told how to live, who to live for and what is right and wrong, that's the problem with society and the modern man. This whole forum is evidence that we are way too shaped by society than by our ideals.
Most people here will commit the worst crime of all, they'll waste their life. You believe in an order that is forced upon you to keep you good and at ease.
kind of a rant.

always has been but some people in the forum still cope with it

 

[Hess]

Judaism and Christianity steal the following from other religions:

1. The Flood Story - contained in the Epic of Gilgamesh and Atrahasis which were of obvious inspiration.
2. Creation Stories - the Enuma Elish is probably what the Genesis is based on according to scholars.
3. Garden of Eden - scholars argue that it's inspired by the Near Eatern motif of a sacred life-giving garden.
4. Angels and Demons - during n after the Babylonian Exile the jews came in contact with Zoroastrianism and it is believed that this period influenced their views on angles, demons and conflict between good and evil These ideas later on developed by themselves.
5. Satan - historians claim that the idea of Satan comes from Persian culture.
6. Resurrection and the Last Judgment - this belief appears relatively late in jewish history so it's believe that contact with the Persians, once again, influenced them heavily.
7. Virgin Birth - stories like these existed for thousand of centuries before Christianity and the story might be influenced by Egyptian or Greek myths.
8. Dying and rising of Gods - Jesus' story might've been influenced by the ones of Osiris and Tammuz. Also many older myths talk about resurrection (duh).
9. December 25th - Do I need to say anything? Wrong date influenced by other religions.
10. Christmas Traditions - obviously they have nothing to do with Christianity but this is kind of nitpicking.
11. Easter Traditions - once again, made later on based on european traditions.

Conclusion: Religions are constantly borrowing because that's all they are, borrowed beliefs.
If you need sources, ask.

Not directly, through judaism mostly but even then it is very surface level similarites, their moral philosophies and religious structures are extremely opposed, it has its influences but the abrahamic religions are extremely unique in this regard with the monotheism and not viewing god/gods as angry forces of nature to appease but someone you must actively seek a relationship and seek redemption for, the gods in mesopotamia and paganism were just immortal humans or personification of certain forces of nature, while the God in abrahamism is not some immortal man but an incomprehensible concept that is directly tied with the divine and absolute good, with evil not being some separate thing but just simply the lack of that God's essence

what you have listed is for the most part is very surface level similarities or just very much a stretch, christmas and easter traditions especially were adapted for the surface level celebrations and to make the date of christ's birth glorified more across native populations, christianity celebrates christmas, easter through prayers, holy communion and fasting, none of which are borrowed from paganism and is still the main source that religious people use to celebrate christmas which it uses to differ itself from secular celebration of christmas and easter via trees, santa and easter eggs, these are the equivalent of window dressing that will differ in different christian cultures and dont actually affect of influence the moral structures or beliefs of christianity

"Dying and rising of Gods - Jesus' story might've been influenced by the ones of Osiris and Tammuz. Also many older myths talk about resurrection (duh)."

This one is even more of a stretch, just because two different religions share a vaguely similar story of ressurection (in the case of paganism it was continous ressurections tied with the arrival of seasons, which is extremely different from the singular ressurction of jesus which was done because it was meant to absolve the need for sacrafice of animals to absolve your sin, jesus being a sacraficial lamb for the world, this shares nothing with pagan stories with ressurection stories)

as for the date of jesus's birth, calling it an influence from other religions is laughable and shows that you don't know much about christianity, it was done for two reasons, one no one knows the exact date of his birth and two it was done because it alligned near the time he was born as well as being able to provide a christian alternative to convert more non believers so it was chosen via early church councils, which is completely different from the subconscious syncretism of religions that you claim happened with christianity, also not to mention the orthodox christians worship christmas on janurary 7th

the rest of your comparisons again are very surface level and have no influence on the actual moral structure of the religious system or show it to actually be incredibly similar and borrowing heavily from other religions, just extremely non direct influences from judaism or just sometimes sharing stories that are somewhat the same but offer no real connection to the religion (the virigin birth and ressurection stories, flood myth and etc)

the only valid comparisons here are satan, angels and demons, but even then judaism before that had the concept of heavenly messangers so it was not copied and pasted to christianity

 

[armemann]

obviously

 

[sitto]

what you have listed is for the most part is very surface level similarities or just very much a stretch, christmas and easter traditions especially were adapted for the surface level celebrations and to make the date of christ's birth glorified more across native populations, christianity celebrates christmas, easter through prayers, holy communion and fasting, none of which are borrowed from paganism and is still the main source that religious people use to celebrate christmas which it uses to differ itself from secular celebration of christmas and easter via trees, santa and easter eggs, these are the equivalent of window dressing that will differ in different christian cultures and dont actually affect of influence the moral structures or beliefs of christianity

as for the date of jesus's birth, calling it an influence from other religions is laughable and shows that you don't know much about christianity, it was done for two reasons, one no one knows the exact date of his birth and two it was done because it alligned near the time he was born as well as being able to provide a christian alternative to convert more non believers so it was chosen via early church councils, which is completely different from the subconscious syncretism of religions that you claim happened with christianity, also not to mention the orthodox christians worship christmas on janurary 7th

Right, I'm not saying Christmas was entirely borrowed from paganism or that Christian worship practices come from paganism. The date developed because the Bible does not give a specific birth date for Jesus. Early Christians had different traditions, but the Church later decided to adopt that day. The prayers, Eucharist, fasting, and theological meaning of Christmas and Easter are distinctly Christian and are separate from later cultural additions. Many historians argue that the date was influenced by Roman festivals, while others argue that it came from internal Christian calculations, like the idea that Jesus was conceived on March 25th. My point is that the date and some later customs are historical developments because, as I already said, religions adapt and evolve based on the cultures and people around them.

"Dying and rising of Gods - Jesus' story might've been influenced by the ones of Osiris and Tammuz. Also many older myths talk about resurrection (duh)."

This one is even more of a stretch, just because two different religions share a vaguely similar story of ressurection (in the case of paganism it was continous ressurections tied with the arrival of seasons, which is extremely different from the singular ressurction of jesus which was done because it was meant to absolve the need for sacrafice of animals to absolve your sin, jesus being a sacraficial lamb for the world, this shares nothing with pagan stories with ressurection stories)

I don’t want to suggest that the story of Jesus was just lifted from pagan myths like Osiris or Tammuz. What I mean is that the idea of a divine being triumphing over death wasn’t entirely unique to ancient times. Different cultures had their own tales about gods or heroes linked to themes of death and rebirth. While these overlaps don’t necessarily mean one borrowed from the other, they do indicate that such ideas were part of the wider religious landscape from which Christianity arose.

The more important question isn’t whether similar stories existed, but whether Christianity actually took its resurrection beliefs from those traditions. The Christian view is deeply rooted in Jewish beliefs about resurrection and redemption. So, while it shares some themes with seasonal myths, Christianity developed within a context of existing ideas and symbols.

the rest of your comparisons again are very surface level and have no influence on the actual moral structure of the religious system or show it to actually be incredibly similar and borrowing heavily from other religions, just extremely non direct influences from judaism or just sometimes sharing stories that are somewhat the same but offer no real connection to the religion (the virigin birth and ressurection stories, flood myth and etc)

Historical influence doesn't need to be identical theology or moral philosophy. By your point of view the Genesis and Judaism need to become respectively Babylonian and Zoroastrianist for influence to be plausible. Influence means adaptation, it means a response or reinterpretation to older ideas, not copying them entirely.

the only valid comparisons here are satan, angels and demons, but even then judaism before that had the concept of heavenly messangers so it was not copied and pasted to christianity

Sure, it had heavenly messengers but that does not negate a possible (and probable) Persian influence. My claim is not that Judaism stole them entirely but that it was influenced by them.

Religion is a continuous evolution and borrowing of ideas based on the cultures, people and societies around it.

 

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