religion is indicative of high iq

[Algernon]

firstly, either

A: God is real
B: god may not be real
and also
A: you may believe in God
B: you might not

no matter if there is a 99.9% chance of God being false, infinite heaven outweighs any finite life, if God is false then you just die and don't see any confirmation you were wrong and will gain no regrets on having lived a life of enjoyment or worship
if God is real though then you either are rewarded for all of eternity or suffer
its always the better option to believe in God atleast mathematically, your goal should then be to go to heaven

 

[luuk]

firstly, either

A: god is real
B: god may not be real
and also
A: you may believe in god
B: you might not

no matter if there is a 99.9% chance of god being false, infinite heaven outweighs any finite life, if god is false then you just die and don't see any confirmation you were wrong and will gain no regrets on having lived a life of enjoyment or worship
if god is real though then you either are rewarded for all of eternity or suffer
its always the better option to believe in god atleast mathematically, your goal should then be to go to heaven

Pascals wager is the most midwitted, surface level argument ever jfl

You are forgetting that there are (and have been) thousands of different religions, and an infinite amount yet to be told

By not worshipping some random pagan deity of a pagan culture that died 4000 years ago you are risking eternal damnation just as much as an atheist is by not worshipping yours

If anything, worshipping one god is picking a side, picking none at least might see a benevolent god grant you mercy for your ignorance

 

[Sayori]

firstly, either

A: god is real
B: god may not be real
and also
A: you may believe in god
B: you might not

no matter if there is a 99.9% chance of god being false, infinite heaven outweighs any finite life, if god is false then you just die and don't see any confirmation you were wrong and will gain no regrets on having lived a life of enjoyment or worship
if god is real though then you either are rewarded for all of eternity or suffer
its always the better option to believe in god atleast mathematically, your goal should then be to go to heaven

Capitalize the G btw

 

[Algernon]

Pascals wager is the most midwitted, surface level argument ever jfl

You are forgetting that there are (and have been) thousands of different religions, and an infinite amount yet to be told

By not worshipping some random pagan deity of a pagan culture that died 4000 years ago you are risking eternal damnation just as much as an atheist is by not worshipping yours

If anything, worshipping one god is picking a side, picking none at least might see a benevolent god grant you mercy for your ignorance

well its clearly going to be one of the popular ones

if there are multiple gods then that defeats the purpose of a highest form of god, eventually it will either go to two fighting sides (for example god vs the devil) or just one (god only), the weaker gods will essentially be just angels then at that point and it devolves into monotheism essentially since one side will be painted as evil by the stronger side, then you believe in that stronger side
so it can be ruled out to a monotheistic religion
then you can rule it out to most abrahamic religions from there and make your judgement

 

[grav]

firstly, either

A: god is real
B: god may not be real
and also
A: you may believe in god
B: you might not

no matter if there is a 99.9% chance of god being false, infinite heaven outweighs any finite life, if god is false then you just die and don't see any confirmation you were wrong and will gain no regrets on having lived a life of enjoyment or worship
if god is real though then you either are rewarded for all of eternity or suffer
its always the better option to believe in god atleast mathematically, your goal should then be to go to heaven

Retarded slave, all modern religions are made by the elites. But most verses in the Bible matches exactly with whats happening right now in the world. The elites like to release hints of the evil things they do because karma is real in this world so when they release hints, they release karma.

 

[ZenithZXV]

Yes because white people are more likely to be christian in general, therefore high IQ

 

[ZenithZXV]

Retarded slave, all modern religions are made by the elites. But some verses in the Bible matches exactly with whats happening right now in the world. The elites like to release hints of the evil things they do because karma is real in this world so when they release hints, they release karma.

I agree brotha, but I do understand if they love religion so much because they are white

 

[Sayori]

Retarded slave, all modern religions are made by the elites. But some verses in the Bible matches exactly with whats happening right now in the world. The elites like to release hints of the evil things they do because karma is real in this world so when they release hints, they release karma.

hey man, what dictates something to be good or evil

 

[davidlaidisme67]

It’s actually a sign of low iq if anything ngl. It’s just a coping mechanism created out of people’s suffering to believe that it’s worth it and they will be rewarded in the end

 

[hyperbeast]

Its cope

 

[luuk]

well its clearly going to be one of the popular ones

Not necessarily at all, stupid argument
Even if it was, your odds of not being damned to hell are only slightly greater than that of an atheist

if there are multiple gods then that defeats the purpose of a highest form of god, eventually it will either go to two fighting sides (for example god vs the devil) or just one (god only), the weaker gods will essentially be just angels then at that point and it devolves into monotheism essentially since one side will be painted as evil by the stronger side, then you believe in that stronger side
so it can be ruled out to a monotheistic religion
then you can rule it out to most abrahamic religions from there and make your judgement

What the fuck are you on about this is a childish misunderstanding of how polytheism works

 

[Algernon]

Retarded slave, all modern religions are made by the elites. But some verses in the Bible matches exactly with whats happening right now in the world. The elites like to release hints of the evil things they do because karma is real in this world so when they release hints, they release karma.

"all modern religions"
they existed back in 0 B.C?
i mean i think that plenty of religious events (for example euphrates river drying up) could be faked and that would support your theory
but most religions go against this
for example gnostic christianity
i think its atleast one of the three abrahamic religions and there is one correct interpretation, the rest are controlled to some degree for non-religious purposes

 

[alladinbvs]

Pascals wager in 2026 religion's only good dead is creating societal structures that held society together, not that cuckoldry we're seeing today so as a philosopher said even if there's no god we should create it

 

[jrown]

hey man, what dictates something to be good or evil

empathy, we dont want to be raped, so we dont rape others same w murder, stealing, and shit like that.

 

[davidlaidisme67]

hey man, what dictates something to be good or evil

Mortality is subjective for the most part

 

[grav]

hey man, what dictates something to be good or evil

Idk man getting high off of newborn baby's adrenochrome seems pretty evil to me

 

[Sayori]

empathy, we dont want to be raped, so we dont rape others same w murder, stealing, and shit like that.

that makes no sence as people do what they dont want to be done to eachother

like a murder not wanting to be killed yet still kills

 

[Antonlord7]

God has nothing to do that people born in the wrong place or in the worst situation or ugly deformed all it has to do with your parents and your bloodline God give you the chance as a good lovely parent to see him in heaven but jews will brainwashed us to believe that it's the god's fault for your situation and that's why almost everyone fails this part and never goes to heaven.
Do you think wealthy people will actually go to heaven, do you think that good looking people will go to heaven?
No why?
Because none of them have truly suffer to use their brain and have extremely empathy for anything
You don't need to believe in Jesus or God to go to heaven only if you're just good person as human as animal and doesn't destroy or hurt anything you'll go

 

[Algernon]

Not necessarily at all, stupid argument
Even if it was, your odds of not being damned to hell are only slightly greater than that of an atheist

What the fuck are you on about this is a childish misunderstanding of how polytheism works

i'd rather greater odds any day since using the prior idea it is still infinite gain by increasing even 1%, may as well try
+ if you go under the assumption of post-trib rapture if it seems like the christian tribulation then you can just swap to being a christian last second
ngl I haven't thought too deeply about this so i'm probably going to make average points

 

[Sayori]

Mortality is subjective for the most part

So everyone is right ?

For example one person can think killing is bad ( me )

however another can think killing is wrong

which is correct?

which is true?

 

[hyperbeast]

There is no all loving god. If there is a god, they're probably pretty chill since life isn't that awful all things considered, but still he could definitely not be considered all good.

 

[Sayori]

Idk man getting high off of newborn baby's adrenochrome seems pretty evil to me

what dictates that to be evil, however?

 

[davidlaidisme67]

So everyone is right ?

For example one person can think killing is bad ( me )

however another can think killing is wrong

which is correct?

which is true?

Both at the same time. Welcome to nuance

 

[luuk]

i'd rather greater odds any day since using the prior idea it is still infinite gain by increasing even 1%, may as well try

You would have to be incredibly cowardly and weak to betray your own values (in my case, antitheism and opposition to abrahamic values as a whole) for a miniscule increase in afterlife safety

If your “God” would punish me eternally for not worshipping him, despite him not presenting himself to me convincingly, then he is not loving, nor worthy of reverence

+ if you go under the assumption of post-trib rapture if it seems like the christian tribulation then you can just swap to being a christian last second
ngl I haven't thought too deeply about this so i'm probably going to make average points

If your religion can be cheated so easily it holds no weight

 

[Algernon]

Mortality is subjective for the most part

morality is objective
i'm sure you could find one way to define morality for all cases and find the most moral choices, in which some will be harder
its just impossible for us to find an initial assumption as to why to base our morality off of
i believe that God is the basis of our morality in order to make correct choices but interpretation of text does make it less effective especially considering translations and people changing words

 

[Hirux]

firstly, either

A: God is real
B: god may not be real
and also
A: you may believe in God
B: you might not

no matter if there is a 99.9% chance of God being false, infinite heaven outweighs any finite life, if God is false then you just die and don't see any confirmation you were wrong and will gain no regrets on having lived a life of enjoyment or worship
if God is real though then you either are rewarded for all of eternity or suffer
its always the better option to believe in God atleast mathematically, your goal should then be to go to heaven

If god is actually real then im fucked

 

[grav]

what dictates that to be evil, however?

Cuz its using babies as if they are some object

 

[Algernon]

You would have to be incredibly cowardly and weak to betray your own values (in my case, antitheism and opposition to abrahamic values as a whole) for a miniscule increase in afterlife safety

If your “God” would punish me eternally for not worshipping him, despite him not presenting himself to me convincingly, then he is not loving, nor worthy of reverence

If your religion can be cheated so easily it holds no weight

at the end of the day your intentions are what matter but also your efforts
it is not "cheating" but attempting to form a relationship with an actual God, if you choose to weong religion then yoh are worshipping a false God under the pretense you believe it to be the one true God, the difference in these is that one will grant you paradise, so seeking heaven is the best goal and best way to reach a relationship with God, while atheism is entirely giving up on attempting
theres a reason why not believing anything is worse then believing in the wrong thing

 

[Sayori]

Both at the same time. Welcome to nuance

that contradicts that also means that nothing is write or wrong

for example, there are examples of objective things like a helium atom being a helium atom and not something else

this is showing objectivity is a thing no matter how you feel about it

See I can think a helium atom is a cow but it doesn't change the truth that it's still a helium atom

I believe in something called objective morality

so, no matter what one's opinion is subjectively the truth still exist and its correct like how I made the example with the cow and the atom

@mohito I believe this user is informed about this concept as well, but I may be wrong

hi mohi

 

[Sayori]

Cuz its using babies as if they are some object

okay but what dictates it to be wrong?

someone could think killing babies or whatever u said is good

who is in the right?

 

[grav]

okay but what dictates it to be wrong?

someone could think killing babies or whatever u said is good

who is in the right?

The smarter person probly

 

[Sayori]

The smarter person probly

your baiting

dnr

 

[grav]

your baiting

dnr

Wdym? Sorry man I just dont got the answers to everything. I personally think I have different morals than others or like my psychologist said "uncommon virtues"

 

[Algernon]

also typical religious data on secular vs religious iq is typically skewed cause it works like that one bell curve image, where the middle is atheists and the ends are those who are religious, I'm referring to thoughtful religious people and not those who simply believe to believe and never question their environment, there are similar atheists and infact its much more common for atheists to be less philosophical and become atheist simply for pleasure

i think there are high iq people on both sides, but ultimately religious (specifically, abrahamic religions) people have a higher iq ceiling and average iq, but atheist people can also be smart aswell

religious includes non-monotheist religious (not saying polytheist since there are spiritual people who believe in magic and stuff but no god) who skew data on religious polling downward (as i argued before why monotheism tends to be more correct)

 

[Sayori]

Wdym? Sorry man I just dont got the answers to everything. I personally think I have different morals than others or like my psychologist said "uncommon virtues"

you're calling ngas slaves for believing in God

I can admit the argument was very basic and shit from op

but idk why ur insulting him such as calling God believers slaves when you don't seem to have a sturdy basis for your believes

but nvrm bhai you do you

 

[davidlaidisme67]

that contradicts that also means that nothing is write or wrong

for example, there are examples of objective things like a helium atom being a helium atom and not something else

this is showing objectivity is a thing no matter how you feel about it

See I can think a helium atom is a cow but it doesn't change the truth that it's still a helium atom

I believe in something called objective morality

so, no matter what one's opinion is subjectively the truth still exist and its correct like how I made the example with the cow and the atom

@mohito I believe this user is informed about this concept as well, but I may be wrong

hi mohi

Hmm I somewhat agree with objective morality as often the majority of the population can believe something is true. But beliefs and reality often differ.

 

[davidlaidisme67]

you're calling ngas slaves for believing in God

I can admit the argument was very basic and shit from op

but idk why ur insulting him such as calling God believers slaves when you don't seem to have a sturdy basis for your believes

but nvrm bhai you do you

I agree you shouldn’t insult him tbh. Disagreeing is understandable but slave is insane

 

[Sayori]

also typical religious data on secular vs religious iq is typically skewed cause it works like that one bell curve image, where the middle is atheists and the ends are those who are religious, I'm referring to thoughtful religious people and not those who simply believe to believe and never question their environment, there are similar atheists and infact its much more common for atheists to be less philosophical and become atheist simply for pleasure

i think there are high iq people on both sides, but ultimately religious (specifically, abrahamic religions) people have a higher iq ceiling and average iq, but atheist people can also be smart aswell

religious includes non-monotheist religious (not saying polytheist since there are spiritual people who believe in magic and stuff but no god) who skew data on religious polling downward (as i argued before why monotheism tends to be more correct)

this is water

plz work on your formatting nga

I'm on your side yet I dnrd most of your threads

 

[Prøphet]

also typical religious data on secular vs religious iq is typically skewed cause it works like that one bell curve image, where the middle is atheists and the ends are those who are religious, I'm referring to thoughtful religious people and not those who simply believe to believe and never question their environment, there are similar atheists and infact its much more common for atheists to be less philosophical and become atheist simply for pleasure

i think there are high iq people on both sides, but ultimately religious (specifically, abrahamic religions) people have a higher iq ceiling and average iq, but atheist people can also be smart aswell

religious includes non-monotheist religious (not saying polytheist since there are spiritual people who believe in magic and stuff but no god) who skew data on religious polling downward (as i argued before why monotheism tends to be more correct)

I agree

 

[grav]

you're calling ngas slaves for believing in God

I can admit the argument was very basic and shit from op

but idk why ur insulting him such as calling God believers slaves when you don't seem to have a sturdy basis for your believes

but nvrm bhai you do you

I didnt say god believers are slaves. I believe in god, I dont trust religion since everything in this world was manufactured to how the elites wanesd

 

[Algernon]

this is water

plz work on your formatting nga

I'm on your side yet I dnrd most of your threads

oh

yeah idk how to format i usually just write all my thoughts in a note or just type it out

should i space it out more or bold words

 

[Sayori]

Hmm I somewhat agree with objective morality as often the majority of the population can believe something is true. But beliefs and reality often differ.

you're still believing in subjective morality

all of earth can think pizza is evil

yet with objective morality they can all be wrong because there is a truth

My point is the concept of objective morality makes more sense, and, in my case, I believe God the creator of this morality to hold the truth of morality

Also, yes religion can be a sign of low iq but that doesn't mean it's wrong

atheist do tend to be of average iq however when you get to the high iq range that is where religion is reintroduced and when you're in the low iq range religion is there as well on average

Now my final thing, to say religion was created out of cope seems completely retarded I could say that for some religions but not for Christianity

there have been many men who chose to suffer a Christian life when they could have had an easy one

What I can somewhat agree on you with is that coping def has an impact on the spread in Christianity but in no way does it make it incorrect

Good night bhai, take care I am in a great mood tn

(def the amazing pool party I had earlier)

@goku21 the pool party was fricking fire right

 

[Sayori]

I didnt say god believers are slaves. I believe in god, I dont trust religion since everything in this world was manufactured to how the elites wanesd

Oh, then I misunderstood my bad

Well in your case you think the elites are evil, correct?

why would they create a religion that contradicts their believes?

for example, in the Epstein files there are some horrible things why would they manufacture Catholicism when they are disgusted with what's present in the Epstein files?

 

[grav]

Oh, then I misunderstood my bad

Well in your case you think the elites are evil, correct?

why would they create a religion that contradicts their believes?

for example, in the Epstein files there are some horrible things why would they manufacture Catholicism when they are disgusted with what's present in the Epstein files?

For money and as a distraction. I dont trust religion and churches because I believe that part was made soley for money. We dont need religion and churches to believe in god. I haven't read the Bible yet.

 

[mohito]

that contradicts that also means that nothing is write or wrong

for example, there are examples of objective things like a helium atom being a helium atom and not something else

this is showing objectivity is a thing no matter how you feel about it

See I can think a helium atom is a cow but it doesn't change the truth that it's still a helium atom

I believe in something called objective morality

so, no matter what one's opinion is subjectively the truth still exist and its correct like how I made the example with the cow and the atom

@mohito I believe this user is informed about this concept as well, but I may be wrong

hi mohi

Hii. Yeah that's basically it, a well known argument in favor of the divine is that it provides the only framework from which morality can be derived

 

[Sayori]

Hii. Yeah that's basically it, a well known argument in favor of the divine is that it provides the only framework from which morality can be derived

I like the way you structure your sentences

where did you learn this skill from, I need it?

 

[mohito]

I like the way you structure your sentences

where did you learn this skill from, I need it?

Mostly just from reading classics tbh

 

[Sayori]

Mostly just from reading classics tbh

can you give me some reading suggestions pretty plz

 

[Matrix88]

firstly, either

A: God is real
B: god may not be real
and also
A: you may believe in God
B: you might not

no matter if there is a 99.9% chance of God being false, infinite heaven outweighs any finite life, if God is false then you just die and don't see any confirmation you were wrong and will gain no regrets on having lived a life of enjoyment or worship
if God is real though then you either are rewarded for all of eternity or suffer
its always the better option to believe in God atleast mathematically, your goal should then be to go to heaven

Hard disagree, what if ur God isn't real? Remember there are and have been MANY religions so the chances of yours being the real one are laughable honestly.

 

[LXR]

Skipping ladders for hypotheticals doesnt make sense when a rigorous metaphysical proof for the existence of God itself has not been established