Religion is nonsensical

[alwazzab]

My first lengthy post as I cant be asked to study for finals.

Religion makes no sense no matter how you frame it. Lets go by the big 2 because nobody really knows what the Jews believe in and it doesn't matter because its an ethnoreligion anyways. The rest are irrelevant.

Islam and Christianity have the common belief of an ”all good” god of whom created us with a scripture that guides us into eternal bliss in the afterworld (heaven or hell). This whole concept is absurd. Eternity is inconceivable, its eternal for fuck sake. At that point, both heaven and hell would be a punishment. But lets assume, SOMEHOW, that heaven is so joyous that we SOMEHOW can disregard its infinite nature.

Okay, now, God, the all good, created me — flawed with various tendencies — of which HE DEEMS IMPERMISSIBLE inorder to threaten ME into eternal flames for falling for those tendencies. Eternal burning and ”all good” is literally a juxtaposition, you can not do both. Before I existed, I could not conceive of my existence, I was nothing. If those two religions are true, then you would have to affirm that God decided to create people of whom would not have existed otherwise, and will be putting them in hell for not giving him attention. Indefinite punishment for a finite crime is immoral.

Miracles stopped millennia ago, how can I be blamed for not being convinced of the God in question anyways? If Christianity is true, John the baptist will go to heaven because he was there, saw it from first person and was obviously convinced that no regular man could bring someone back from the dead. If Islam is true, the companions would go to heaven because they were there and apparently witnessed Mohammad splitting the moon in two. Why would any rational higher power stop there and expect a book to be sufficient?

To believe something definitionally implies you are convinced of it being true. If I forced myself to go to Church, or to pray the Islamic prayers 5 times, it wouldn’t be belief and I would still burn in hell regardless as it would be deemed insincere.

Lastly, for the part that used to fuck with me until I asked my scholar at 14 of which he couldn't give me an adequate response for to which I knew right there this is bullshit.

If god is omnipotent, he knew your psychology, your temptations, your environment and whether you will be entering heaven or hell at the end of it. Creating someone, with certainty in that they will be damned to hell is indistinguishable from sentencing them right away. There is no free will in that. If I built a robot and I knew he would be the sole reason for the end of all humanity, and the robot does that very thing, I would be responsible.

If god is real he is just a cosmic hitler

 

[Acquiescence]

Based but inb4 religiouscels dogpile this thread

 

[Hirux]

My first lengthy post as I cant be asked to study for finals.

Religion makes no sense no matter how you frame it. Lets go by the big 2 because nobody really knows what the Jews believe in and it doesn't matter because its an ethnoreligion anyways. The rest are irrelevant.

Islam and Christianity have the common belief of an ”all good” god of whom created us with a scripture that guides us into eternal bliss in the afterworld (heaven or hell). This whole concept is absurd. Eternity is inconceivable, its eternal for fuck sake. At that point, both heaven and hell would be a punishment. But lets assume, SOMEHOW, that heaven is so joyous that we SOMEHOW can disregard its infinite nature.

Okay, now, God, the all good, created me — flawed with various tendencies — of which HE DEEMS IMPERMISSIBLE inorder to threaten ME into eternal flames for falling for those tendencies. Eternal burning and ”all good” is literally a juxtaposition, you can not do both. Before I existed, I could not conceive of my existence, I was nothing. If those two religions are true, then you would have to affirm that God decided to create people of whom would not have existed otherwise, and will be putting them in hell for not giving him attention. Indefinite punishment for a finite crime is immoral.

Miracles stopped millennia ago, how can I be blamed for not being convinced of the God in question anyways? If Christianity is true, John the baptist will go to heaven because he was there, saw it from first person and was obviously convinced that no regular man could bring someone back from the dead. If Islam is true, the companions would go to heaven because they were there and apparently witnessed Mohammad splitting the moon in two. Why would any rational higher power stop there and expect a book to be sufficient?

To believe something definitionally implies you are convinced of it being true. If I forced myself to go to Church, or to pray the Islamic prayers 5 times, it wouldn’t be belief and I would still burn in hell regardless as it would be deemed insincere.

Lastly, for the part that used to fuck with me until I asked my scholar at 14 of which he couldn't give me an adequate response for to which I knew right there this is bullshit.

If god is omnipotent, he knew your psychology, your temptations, your environment and whether you will be entering heaven or hell at the end of it. Creating someone, with certainty in that they will be damned to hell is indistinguishable from sentencing them right away. There is no free will in that. If I built a robot and I knew he would be the sole reason for the end of all humanity, and the robot does that very thing, I would be responsible.

If god is real he is just a cosmic hitler

Agreed

 

[CloudyCuck]

Hell is not God making you intentionally suffer. It’s just you being absent from God. Also you aren’t ugly in God’s eyes. It’s the foids’ hoeflation that is making you feel inadequate

 

[fabri_1742]

“If god is real he is just a cosmic hitler” is probably the best things I’ve ever heard

 

[fabri_1742]

Hell is not God making you intentionally suffer. It’s just you being absent from God. Also you aren’t ugly in God’s eyes. It’s the foids’ hoeflation that is making you feel inadequate

Yea but he made you that way while knowing that you would end up in hell

 

[CloudyCuck]

Yea but he made you that way while knowing that you would end up in hell

Made you what way? He made a human. The rest is up to you. He doesn’t want you in Hell

 

[fabri_1742]

Made you what way? He made a human. The rest is up to you. He doesn’t want you in Hell

Yea but he put you down in a place where he knew what things would happen to you, these things shape who you are and what actions you will commit therefore sending you to hell

 

[alwazzab]

Hell is not God making you intentionally suffer. It’s just you being absent from God. Also you aren’t ugly in God’s eyes. It’s the foids’ hoeflation that is making you feel inadequate

First part, anything done eternally is torture. Doesnt mean anything if ”broo its just separation from god”, its still an eternal punishment.

Second part, god blames me for him not providing any evidence. There is no sufficient evidence for his existance, and if miracles were performed prior, it is not relevant to me as I can neither confirm nor deny. A book is not sufficient evidence. This therefore means I can not beleive. Lying to myself is not beleiving.

Third part, god knew my outcome, he knew that by creating me, I would be ”eternally separated from him”. There is no logic in creating me knowing my outcome, the only one to blame therefore is the god in question.

 

[CloudyCuck]

Yea but he put you down in a place where he knew what things would happen to you, these things shape who you are and what actions you will commit therefore sending you to hell

Actually, the way you take suffering can help you a lot. The way you handle it can make you spiritualmog rich chads easily. Rich chads will have a harder time ascending spiritually.

 

[alwazzab]

Actually, the way you take suffering can help you a lot. The way you handle it can make you spiritualmog rich chads easily. Rich chads will have a harder time ascending spiritually.

Dude what are you on about

 

[slogxER]

Agreed

My first lengthy post as I cant be asked to study for finals.

Religion makes no sense no matter how you frame it. Lets go by the big 2 because nobody really knows what the Jews believe in and it doesn't matter because its an ethnoreligion anyways. The rest are irrelevant.

Islam and Christianity have the common belief of an ”all good” god of whom created us with a scripture that guides us into eternal bliss in the afterworld (heaven or hell). This whole concept is absurd. Eternity is inconceivable, its eternal for fuck sake. At that point, both heaven and hell would be a punishment. But lets assume, SOMEHOW, that heaven is so joyous that we SOMEHOW can disregard its infinite nature.

Okay, now, God, the all good, created me — flawed with various tendencies — of which HE DEEMS IMPERMISSIBLE inorder to threaten ME into eternal flames for falling for those tendencies. Eternal burning and ”all good” is literally a juxtaposition, you can not do both. Before I existed, I could not conceive of my existence, I was nothing. If those two religions are true, then you would have to affirm that God decided to create people of whom would not have existed otherwise, and will be putting them in hell for not giving him attention. Indefinite punishment for a finite crime is immoral.

Miracles stopped millennia ago, how can I be blamed for not being convinced of the God in question anyways? If Christianity is true, John the baptist will go to heaven because he was there, saw it from first person and was obviously convinced that no regular man could bring someone back from the dead. If Islam is true, the companions would go to heaven because they were there and apparently witnessed Mohammad splitting the moon in two. Why would any rational higher power stop there and expect a book to be sufficient?

To believe something definitionally implies you are convinced of it being true. If I forced myself to go to Church, or to pray the Islamic prayers 5 times, it wouldn’t be belief and I would still burn in hell regardless as it would be deemed insincere.

Lastly, for the part that used to fuck with me until I asked my scholar at 14 of which he couldn't give me an adequate response for to which I knew right there this is bullshit.

If god is omnipotent, he knew your psychology, your temptations, your environment and whether you will be entering heaven or hell at the end of it. Creating someone, with certainty in that they will be damned to hell is indistinguishable from sentencing them right away. There is no free will in that. If I built a robot and I knew he would be the sole reason for the end of all humanity, and the robot does that very thing, I would be responsible.

If god is real he is just a cosmic hitler

He exists but If it didn’t act the way u want didn’t mean it didn’t exist. Maybe it’s not kind to some, or maybe he’s testing others.

 

[CloudyCuck]

First part, anything done eternally is torture. Doesnt mean anything if ”broo its just separation from god”, its still an eternal punishment.

Second part, god blames me for him not providing any evidence. There is no sufficient evidence for his existance, and if miracles were performed prior, it is not relevant to me as I can neither confirm nor deny. A book is not sufficient evidence. This therefore means I can not beleive. Lying to myself is not beleiving.

Third part, god knew my outcome, he knew that by creating me, I would be ”eternally separated from him”. There is no logic in creating me knowing my outcome, the only one to blame therefore is the god in question.

So would you rather have never existed? God doesn’t have to perform a miracle in front of your eyes personally just so you can have muh evidence lmao. Have you ever tried to reach out to Him? It’s your choice to be more concerned with foids than with seeing what’s out there, how is that God’s fault?

 

[alwazzab]

He exists but If it didn’t act the way u want didn’t mean it didn’t exist. Maybe it’s not kind to some, or maybe he’s testing others.

Tell chatgpt to explain your argument clearly, then copy and paste it here. I genuinely don’t understand a word.

 

[lurker14]

Also you aren’t ugly in God’s eyes.

haha cope harder, God plays favorites

 

[alwazzab]

So would you rather have never existed? God doesn’t have to perform a miracle in front of your eyes personally just so you can have muh evidence lmao. Have you ever tried to reach out to Him? It’s your choice to be more concerned with foids than with seeing what’s out there, how is that God’s fault?

if eternal punishment is real, and my destiny is eternal seperation, NO SHIT I WOULDNT HAVE WANTED TO EXIST. What question is this? Before my existence, there was nothing, it wouldn't matter whether god decided to create me or not. Given the ETERNAL risk, I WOULD HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO.

To your second point, if god choses not to provide me evidence, then I am not wrong in not believing his existence.

 

[CloudyCuck]

if eternal punishment is real, and my destiny is eternal seperation, NO SHIT I WOULDNT HAVE WANTED TO EXIST. What question is this? Before my existence, there was nothing, it wouldn't matter whether god decided to create me or not. Given the ETERNAL risk, I WOULD HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO.

To your second point, if god choses not to provide me evidence, then I am not wrong in not believing his existence.

Your destiny is up to you. It’s not fixed to one outcome. You just choose to tie yourself to one

you’ve never tried to get evidence nigga. You live your life fixated on looks and foids. Have you tried to live the way God wants and then tried to contact him? He’s not a genie that works for you lmao.

 

[fabri_1742]

Actually, the way you take suffering can help you a lot. The way you handle it can make you spiritualmog rich chads easily. Rich chads will have a harder time ascending spiritually.

You choose how to handle things by what happened to you through your life, I’m going to make an example here:

You are God and you have made a world ,in this world there exists two different hallways, in the first one there are stickers and signs everywhere that says the word “green” in the second one there are the exact same but the stickers says “red” instead.

The man you have created has no prior life or memories he’s totally new and you as God place the man in the path with the red stickers. The man goes through the hallway and looks and reads all the stickers (he can read cuz you made him bieng able to)

he reaches the end of the hallway and the two hallways intertwine. he can see the other side where it says “green” everywhere and before him are two big buttons, one saying green the other saying red.

the green is the right button but he doesn’t know that as he has been told “red” his whole life BECAUSE you put him there, he presses the red button and goes to hell for all eternity. Is it really his fault for not pressing the green button? Or is it yours, Gods fault?

 

[alwazzab]

Your destiny is up to you. It’s not fixed to one outcome. You just choose to tie yourself to one

you’ve never tried to get evidence nigga. You live your life fixated on looks and foids. Have you tried to live the way God wants and then tried to contact him? He’s not a genie that works for you lmao.

My argument is not that I dont have control over my destiny as of the moment, in this world. It is that god creates people, bound to go to hell. Someone could chose to convert later on, but god already knew this. Some dont, and god already knew this. God is unjust for bringing them into existence and punishing them for what he knew would happen.

God literally let people see a man resurrect dead people and split seas in two, if god doesnt want to show me sufficient evidence, then he is selfish and im not believing in him through a book.

”have you tried contacting him”. No nigger he doesnt have a phone number

 

[CloudyCuck]

You choose how to handle things by what happened to you through your life, I’m going to make an example here:

You are God and you have made a world ,in this world there exists two different hallways, in the first one there are stickers and signs everywhere that says the word “green” in the second one there are the exact same but the stickers says “red” instead.

The man you have created has no prior life or memories he’s totally new and you as God place the man in the path with the red stickers. The man goes through the hallway and looks and reads all the stickers (he can read cuz you made him bieng able to)

he reaches the end of the hallway and the two hallways intertwine. he can see the other side where it says “green” everywhere and before him are two big buttons, one saying green the other saying red.

the green is the right button but he doesn’t know that as he has been told “red” his whole life BECAUSE you put him there, he presses the red button and goes to hell for all eternity. Is it really his fault for not pressing the green button? Or is it yours, Gods fault?

So what did God force you to do though? You mean you’re angry because you’re not chad so that makes you not want to be kind to people?

 

[CloudyCuck]

My argument is not that I dont have control over my destiny as of the moment, in this world. It is that god creates people, bound to go to hell. Someone could chose to convert later on, but god already knew this. Some dont, and god already knew this. God is unjust for bringing them into existence and punishing them for what he knew would happen.

God literally let people see a man resurrect dead people and split seas in two, if god doesnt want to show me sufficient evidence, then he is selfish and im not believing in him through a book.

”have you tried contacting him”. No nigger he doesnt have a phone number

There’s your misconception. God already reached out to us and died for us. He doesn’t have to perform more miracles personally for you. Even if He did you would rationalize it and keep not believing

 

[alwazzab]

So what did God force you to do though? You mean you’re angry because you’re not chad so that makes you not want to be kind to people?

To pick one of the two buttons with one option leading to hell. Id add to his hypothetical that god knew the button the person would press. He knew you would press the wrong button. You are not wrong in pressing it, he is for placing it.

 

[CloudyCuck]

To pick one of the two buttons with one option leading to hell. Id add to his hypothetical that god knew the button the person would press. He knew you would press the wrong button. You are not wrong in pressing it, he is for placing it.

You’re thinking about it with an open mind. You keeo thinking that God forced you to think one way

 

[alwazzab]

There’s your misconception. God already reached out to us and died for us. He doesn’t have to perform more miracles personally for you. Even if He did you would rationalize it and keep not believing

I think I already made this clear, if he does not want to show me and everyone else, clearly, undoubtably that he exists, then nobody is at blame for not believing in him

 

[alwazzab]

You’re thinking about it with an open mind. You keeo thinking that God forced you to think one way

No, I like to keep my mind closed and never think about anything. You are clearly not understanding any words im writing. Reread them.

 

[CloudyCuck]

I think I already made this clear, if he does not want to show me and everyone else, clearly, undoubtably that he exists, then nobody is at blame for not believing in him

He does want you, but you need to reach out. Give some money to a homeless kids shelter. Go to church. Take communion. Say a honest quiet prayer. You’ll feel a lot better

 

[fabri_1742]

So what did God force you to do though? You mean you’re angry because you’re not chad so that makes you not want to be kind to people?

Bro what? this has nothing to do with being a chad and I’m not angry at someone I believe exists, did you even read this? My very clear point was that what you do in this life is shaped by what has happened to you. That’s it, I never mentioned looks ONCE in this

 

[CloudyCuck]

Bro what? this has nothing to do with being a chad and I’m not angry at someone I believe exists, did you even read this? My very clear point was that what you do in this life is shaped by what has happened to you. That’s it, I never mentioned looks ONCE in this

What has happened to you that makes you unable to change tho?

 

[alwazzab]

He does want you, but you need to reach out. Give some money to a homeless kids shelter. Go to church. Take communion. Say a honest quiet prayer. You’ll feel a lot better

I could also feel better when I do the islamic prayer, kiss the wailing wall, meditate like a hindu. What does this have to do with anything

 

[fabri_1742]

What has happened to you that makes you unable to change tho?

Can you frame that differently? I don’t really get it

 

[CloudyCuck]

I could also feel better when I do the islamic prayer, kiss the wailing wall, meditate like a hindu. What does this have to do with anything

Not really you won’t. I mean better spiritually. It’s hard to explain unless you do it. But it has to be honest. Or don’t, it’s up to you

Can you frame that differently? I don’t really get it

What has made you unable to think there is something beyond the physical? Have you tried to research it?

 

[fabri_1742]

What has made you unable to think there is something beyond the physical? Have you tried to research it?

I started to have questions about god that I couldn’t really get answered and also many facts about religion that stopped me from believing

 

[CloudyCuck]

I started to have questions about god that I couldn’t really get answered and also many facts about religion that stopped me from believing

What questions and what facts? Just curious

 

[fabri_1742]

What questions and what facts? Just curious

One of the questions I had was “why did God make Lucifer?” He made him the most powerful angel while knowing that he would betray him. Another question was “how can God have a plan but make us have free will at the same time”. And one of the facts was that in the bible it says that earth only 6000 years old (or around that I can’t remember the exact number) but there’s evidence that proofs that wrong.

 

[CloudyCuck]

One of the questions I had was “why did God make Lucifer?” He made him the most powerful angel while knowing that he would betray him. Another question was “how can God have a plan but make us have free will at the same time”. And one of the facts was that in the bible it says that earth only 6000 years old (or around that I can’t remember the exact number) but there’s evidence that proofs that wrong.

Lucifer wasn’t the strongest angel lmao. He lost a 1v1 to Michael. He was just beuatiful.

God has a plan but He needs you to participate too. As I said, He’s not a genie, he doesn’t work for you. He needs to see you choose to make an effort.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say the earth is 6000 years old. That’s just american protestant bs.

 

[fabri_1742]

Lucifer wasn’t the strongest angel lmao. He lost a 1v1 to Michael. He was just beuatiful.

God has a plan but He needs you to participate too. As I said, He’s not a genie, he doesn’t work for you. He needs to see you choose to make an effort.

Nowhere in the Bible does it say the earth is 6000 years old. That’s just american protestant bs.

Still if he wasn’t the strongest why did he still make him knowing he would betray him? Also this is what I found

I’m not saying that you’re wrong about the Protestant thing but this is what I found

 

[CloudyCuck]

Still if he wasn’t the strongest why did he still make him knowing he would betray him? Also this is what I found View attachment 4623619
I’m not saying that you’re wrong about the Protestant thing but this is what I found

Because He chose to give Lucifer free will. That’s the point. God knows but He doesn’t mind control you. He wants you to make your own choices.

Alright but just adding up ages from genealogies isn’t that accurate. Some guy just added a few generations’ life spans in his room. What if the Bible skipped over time periods to just give you the important details? I’m pretty sure there’s mentions of dinosaurs and Neanderthals/other hominids.

 

[gunterrr]

Made you what way? He made a human. The rest is up to you. He doesn’t want you in Hell

He is allknowing so he already knows whether I end up in heaven or hell eliminating the concept of free will which means he made me knowing you will end up in hell

 

[fabri_1742]

Because He chose to give Lucifer free will. That’s the point. God knows but He doesn’t mind control you. He wants you to make your own choices.

Alright but just adding up ages from genealogies isn’t that accurate. Some guy just added a few generations’ life spans in his room. What if the Bible skipped over time periods to just give you the important details? I’m pretty sure there’s mentions of dinosaurs and Neanderthals/other hominids.

Your probably right about the age thing but I’ve just heard so many Christian’s talk about it but the Lucifer thing just seems a bit weird, why would God make someone he knows will not only betray him but cause so much damage and suffering and then give him free will? That would be like me “making” a serial killer and giving him free will to go out and murder children. For me it just seems wrong.

 

[CloudyCuck]

Your probably right about the age thing but I’ve just heard so many Christian’s talk about it but the Lucifer thing just seems a bit weird, why would God make someone he knows will not only betray him but cause so much damage and suffering and then give him free will? That would be like me “making” a serial killer and giving him free will to go out and murder children. For me it just seems wrong.

I don’t know why God allows Lucifer to keep doing evil, I admit. I assume it’s a test for us and that God knows things we don’t. I choose to have faith on that one

 

[dezzy]

read the title and instantly agreed

 

[aaronbp]

all this talking for the problem of hell?

 

[alwazzab]

all this talking for the problem of hell?

Nigga, the point of religion is not of this life, it is of the afterlife. So yes, when you talk about religion, you talk only about the metaphysical afterlife, there is nothing tangible on this earth to discuss the existence of god

+ if it was that simple, we wouldnt have 5 billion humans killing eachother for this retarded concept

 

[aaronbp]

Nigga, the point of religion is not of this life, it is of the afterlife. So yes, when you talk about religion, you talk only about the metaphysical afterlife, there is nothing tangible on this earth to discuss the existence of god

+ if it was that simple, we wouldnt have 5 billion humans killing eachother for this retarded concept

no was just hating on your arguments why u chose d- tier arguments lol

 

[alwazzab]

no was just hating on your arguments why u chose d- tier arguments lol

Go ahead and drop the example of an A tier one

 

[aaronbp]

Go ahead and drop the example of an A tier one

evidential problem of evil, not the logical one evi is better

 

[Rule33]

My first lengthy post as I cant be asked to study for finals.

Religion makes no sense no matter how you frame it. Lets go by the big 2 because nobody really knows what the Jews believe in and it doesn't matter because its an ethnoreligion anyways. The rest are irrelevant.

Islam and Christianity have the common belief of an ”all good” god of whom created us with a scripture that guides us into eternal bliss in the afterworld (heaven or hell). This whole concept is absurd. Eternity is inconceivable, its eternal for fuck sake. At that point, both heaven and hell would be a punishment. But lets assume, SOMEHOW, that heaven is so joyous that we SOMEHOW can disregard its infinite nature.

Okay, now, God, the all good, created me — flawed with various tendencies — of which HE DEEMS IMPERMISSIBLE inorder to threaten ME into eternal flames for falling for those tendencies. Eternal burning and ”all good” is literally a juxtaposition, you can not do both. Before I existed, I could not conceive of my existence, I was nothing. If those two religions are true, then you would have to affirm that God decided to create people of whom would not have existed otherwise, and will be putting them in hell for not giving him attention. Indefinite punishment for a finite crime is immoral.

Miracles stopped millennia ago, how can I be blamed for not being convinced of the God in question anyways? If Christianity is true, John the baptist will go to heaven because he was there, saw it from first person and was obviously convinced that no regular man could bring someone back from the dead. If Islam is true, the companions would go to heaven because they were there and apparently witnessed Mohammad splitting the moon in two. Why would any rational higher power stop there and expect a book to be sufficient?

To believe something definitionally implies you are convinced of it being true. If I forced myself to go to Church, or to pray the Islamic prayers 5 times, it wouldn’t be belief and I would still burn in hell regardless as it would be deemed insincere.

Lastly, for the part that used to fuck with me until I asked my scholar at 14 of which he couldn't give me an adequate response for to which I knew right there this is bullshit.

If god is omnipotent, he knew your psychology, your temptations, your environment and whether you will be entering heaven or hell at the end of it. Creating someone, with certainty in that they will be damned to hell is indistinguishable from sentencing them right away. There is no free will in that. If I built a robot and I knew he would be the sole reason for the end of all humanity, and the robot does that very thing, I would be responsible.

If god is real he is just a cosmic hitler.

>"The rest are irrelevant"
Don't need to read any further. Garbage thread

 

[alwazzab]

>"The rest are irrelevant"
Don't need to read any further. Garbage thread

Nigger wants me to discuss hinduism and buddhism 4.6 billion people are christians or muslims, the rest are indeed irrelevant. Should we also discuss African tribal religions??? What about Alawites? Druze? Zoroastrianism???

 

[alwazzab]

evidential problem of evil, not the logical one evi is better

You could have literally just wrote:

If god is all good and omnipotent, then evil should not exist. But evil does exist, therefore god in nature cannot exist as being all good and omnipotent means he is by nature only able to eliminate it.

To actually understand that argument to its depth you have to read a shitload of literature.

Havnt done that.

Otherwise its reduced to a 9 year old child’s formed argument. Not writing all of that here. Good claim nonetheless

 

[JasGews69x]

Islam and Christianity have the common belief of an ”all good” god of whom created us with a scripture that guides us into eternal bliss in the afterworld (heaven or hell). This whole concept is absurd. Eternity is inconceivable, its eternal for fuck sake. At that point, both heaven and hell would be a punishment. But lets assume, SOMEHOW, that heaven is so joyous that we SOMEHOW can disregard its infinite nature.

God can remove boredom - all negative feeling since He made them.
Just because you cant conceive is irrelevant.

Okay, now, God, the all good, created me — flawed with various tendencies — of which HE DEEMS IMPERMISSIBLE inorder to threaten ME into eternal flames for falling for those tendencies.

'Why did He make rules and I have to follow them?'
He gave you the ability to repent until your last breath
He doesnt want perfection - Just sincerity and humility until you die
Threats are good - why do you follow the law? To avoid going to jail.
The biggest punishment is Hell.

Eternal burning and ”all good” is literally a juxtaposition, you can not do both. Before I existed, I could not conceive of my existence, I was nothing.

Cope
Punishing Evil for eternity - How perfect.

If those two religions are true, then you would have to affirm that God decided to create people of whom would not have existed otherwise, and will be putting them in hell for not giving him attention. Indefinite punishment for a finite crime is immoral.

Already being egotistical and disgusting
He doesnt need your 'attention' - you really think He needs your attention? A bag of meat and sh*t thinking highly of himself

He made rules and those who follow can never be equal to those who dont.
Those who follow will be rewarded and those who dont will also be rewarded but in different ways.

'Immoral'
The gap between God and Man is infinite - so rejecting somebody infinitely greater than you will result in infinite punishment.
Whatever state you die in - you will be doing it for eternity - Its just a reflection of their soul for eternity - either in Heaven or Hell.

Miracles stopped millennia ago, how can I be blamed for not being convinced of the God in question anyways?

By using your brain- Where do you think reality came from? Nothing?

If Christianity is true, John the baptist will go to heaven because he was there, saw it from first person and was obviously convinced that no regular man could bring someone back from the dead.

Cope
People still disbelieved in Jesus even after seeing miracles in front of their eyes - they even tried to kill him
So no - Miracle ≠ doesnt mean you will believe.

If Islam is true, the companions would go to heaven because they were there and apparently witnessed Mohammad splitting the moon in two.

People still disbelieved after that - they just said its an 'illusion'.
People know that alcohol causes Cancer - do they care? No, they continue drinking then complain when cancer comes.
Knowing ≠ acting accordingly.
Also, Satan knows but is still a disbeliever.

Why would any rational higher power stop there and expect a book to be sufficient?

It is - you just have to be sincere when clear truths come to you.

To believe something definitionally implies you are convinced of it being true. If I forced myself to go to Church, or to pray the Islamic prayers 5 times, it wouldn’t be belief and I would still burn in hell regardless as it would be deemed insincere.

What does it mean to be 'convinced'?
If you're not convinced then nothing will happen right?
Is Hell real? No?
Then you have nothing to be worried about

If god is omnipotent, he knew your psychology, your temptations, your environment and whether you will be entering heaven or hell at the end of it. Creating someone, with certainty in that they will be damned to hell is indistinguishable from sentencing them right away. There is no free will in that.

Why?
How is it sentencing you right away when you have an entire life to make a decisions?

If I built a robot and I knew he would be the sole reason for the end of all humanity, and the robot does that very thing, I would be responsible.

False comparison - A human has choice - a robot just does what it is programmed.
You making a robot ≠ God making a human

If god is real he is just a cosmic hitler

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