religion is the biggest cope of all

[RAITEIII]

it can

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[SeiGun]

religion is needed for preventing degeneracy,
look at how most unreligious people act in this world when there is no believe of higher power guidance,
the masses will always believe in some bullshit,
why not let the religion take over instead of cuckism, feminism, insane parent turning child trans shit
i dont believe in god but its needed by most people for now

 

[Pubertymaxxer3]

even if you prove God exists you encounter another problem, which God is the real one out of those thousand religions? deism seems more logical to me.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

but that's what i'm saying in a philosophical stance :
There are two forms of creation :
- the real one that rely on creating the potentiality and the actualization
- the looser one, that is about just actualizing what already exist in term of potentiality.

Without a superior consciousness the former is impossible, in fact nothing in this world can reproduce it.

That's the problem, that's why they say that philosophy is dead, it establishes some ridiculous laws, and they think the universe will follow them.
Why is the first impossible?
And we are not talking about creation, but about chance. Does creation presuppose that there is a creator. Is an earthquake a creation? No, it is just an act of nature, equal to "creation of this universe

 

[Deleted member 3043]

even if you prove God exists you encounter another problem, which God is the real one out of those thousand religions? deism seems more logical to me.

i explained why monotheism>polytheism and among those only one monotheism is rational.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

And we are not talking about creation, but about chance. Does creation presuppose that there is a creator. Is an earthquake a creation? No, it is just an act of nature, equal to "creation of this universe

this is the second case. Earthquake don't create out of nothing, it's the consequence of interactions.

That's the problem, that's why they say that philosophy is dead, it establishes some ridiculous laws, and they think the universe will follow them.
Why is the first impossible?

Because up until now, the universe is finite and contingent. So it means it can't create by its own. It's basic logic and physics and philosophy.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

i'm saying if something has 1/2 chances to appear compared to something that has 1/100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 to appear out of nothing, why would you believe that the former is created by a consciousness - humans here let's say - and the latter is hazardous ?

Again, the fact that humans create something does not refute something that came out of chance.
But the reason for that would be the countless inconsistencies that would be the existence of God. And we can deduce through science how these things came about.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

this is the second case. Earthquake don't create out of nothing, it's the consequence of interactions.

Because up until now, the universe is finite and contingent. So it means it can't create by its own. It's basic logic and physics and philosophy.

The earthquake case is a metaphor.
And I never said that the universe created itself.

 

[Deleted member 12303]

life isnt going your way? "god is testing you"
failing at everything? "god is testing you"
no jaw? "god takes from you so he can give to others"
get cucked? "god will make sure you get to heaven and he gets to hell"

jfl giga copers


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[Deleted member 3043]

Again, the fact that humans create something does not refute something that came out of chance.

it makes it 1000000000000x less probable. if you believe in rationality you have to follow the most probable position, that's it.
Either you believe in the car thing either you don't but if you don't you'r not rational to deny the necessary beeing.

But the reason for that would be the countless inconsistencies that would be the existence of God

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And we can deduce through science how these things came about.

? Science is a belief. and it has flaws and inconsistencies, it's basic epistemology.
And it doesn't talk about anything that isn't material. because it can't, while God has to be outside space and time that science can observe, because of his definition of beeing eternal. it's not contradictory, just complementary, one is about salvation the other about explaining the world working.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

The earthquake case is a metaphor.
And I never said that the universe created itself.

so what created the universe? The universe beeing contingent means it can't.

 

[Deleted member 10413]

but that's what i'm saying in a philosophical stance :
There are two forms of creation :
- the real one that rely on creating the potentiality and the actualization
- the looser one, that is about just actualizing what already exist in term of potentiality.

Without a superior consciousness the former is impossible, in fact nothing in this world can reproduce it.

Honestly even if you proved that there MUST have been a superior consciousness who created the universe I have no reason to believe that your god is anymore real than any other one. In fact if a god did exist they would have no motivation to interact with our society so I would just assume that we know nothing about them.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

it makes it 1000000000000x less probable. if you believe in rationality you have to follow the most probable position, that's it.
Either you believe in the car thing either you don't but if you don't you'r not rational to deny the necessary beeing.

?

? Science is a belief. and it has flaws and inconsistencies, it's basic epistemology.
And it doesn't talk about anything that isn't material. because it can't, while God has to be outside space and time that science can observe, because of his definition of beeing eternal. it's not contradictory, just complementary, one is about salvation the other about explaining the world working.

The existence of God is not the most likely, because there are flaws in this hypothesis.
Everything is a belief whether you choose to believe it or not, but I don't even need to talk about the precision and truth of science

 

[Deleted member 3043]

The existence of God is not the most likely, because there are flaws in this hypothesis.

please feel free to elab.

Everything is a belief whether you choose to believe it or not, but I don't even need to talk about the precision and truth of science

that's not how epistemology works, i've elaborated on this a lot in others threads, will come back once i have time.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

so what created the universe? The universe beeing contingent means it can't.

This is a fallacy.
We don't know how the universe came about, so God is real. We don't know what happens in life after death, so they will go to hell.
Do you realize that all of these are based on ignorance?
We have no answer for everything, and that does not mean that God exists.
And again the universe did not create itself.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Honestly even if you proved that there MUST have been a superior consciousness who created the universe I have no reason to believe that your god is anymore real than any other one

using reason will lead to that. i've explained that read above the conclusions, and i'll elaborate again if you want.
There is only one rational position.

In not interacting with us

Why that?
So he created us, and don't care about us while the act of creation is by definition a gift ?
Since nothing is created in vain - rational claim without counter example - there must be a reason of our existence. And this reason is worshipping him - that's the conclusion, i'll elaborate more later if you want.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

please feel free to elab.

that's not how epistemology works, i've elaborated on this a lot in others threads, will come back once i have time.

Science is the best predictor of the laws of the universe, and the most accurate

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Science is the best predictor of the laws of the universe, and the most accurate

so ? it doesn't say anything about the why question and the meaning and existence of this universe.
and it only talks about the how.
and even there it's flawed because of its methology :
induction is a belief
deduction is a belief.

 

[Deleted member 3043]

We don't know how the universe came about, so God is real

BUT we know that the universe is contingent, that's all we NEED to know.

We have no answer for everything, and that does not mean that God exists.

the existence of god is more rational probabilistically wise that's why if you'r rational you admit it.

I feel lack you lack basic understanding of logic.

 

[Deleted member 10413]

So he created us, and don't care about us while the act of creation is by definition a gift ?
Since nothing is created in vain - rational claim without counter example - there must be a reason of our existence. And this reason is worshipping him - that's the conclusion, i'll elaborate more later if you want.

Why would a being who is capable of creating the universe care about being worshiped?

 

[Deleted member 4106]

so ? it doesn't say anything about the why question and the meaning and existence of this universe.
and it only talks about the how.
and even there it's flawed because of its methology :
induction is a belief
deduction is a belief.

we have several theories and we have already unraveled several mysteries about the existence of the universe.
Not to mention the amount of scientific advances
Then I ask you, is this a flawed methodology?

 

[Deleted member 3043]

Why would a being who is capable of creating the universe care about being worshiped?

Because he loves us.
The apparition of life, don't give him anything more, anything less. When you do something where you don't gain anything from what that is ? It's a gift. And a gift comes out of love.
He doesn't need us to worship him, we need to worship him to have a sense in life, find contentment and be happy in the next life.

 

[Deleted member 12303]

Why would a being who is capable of creating the universe care about being worshiped?

he would not be god if you knew everything about him

 

[Deleted member 3043]

we have several theories and we have already unraveled several mysteries about the existence of the universe.
Not to mention the amount of scientific advances
Then I ask you, is this a flawed methodology?

I'll reply to this in a moment once i have time. Don't worry i'm not here to be on a rebbutal for a rebbutal.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

so ? it doesn't say anything about the why question and the meaning and existence of this universe.
and it only talks about the how.
and even there it's flawed because of its methology :
induction is a belief
deduction is a belief.

BUT we know that the universe is contingent, that's all we NEED to know.

the existence of god is more rational probabilistically wise that's why if you'r rational you admit it.

I feel lack you lack basic understanding of logic.

Suppose there is a hypothesis B, hypothesis B has several flaws, and there is no way to prove, or even observe.
Hypothesis B is unlikely to be real.

 

[Deleted member 10413]

Because he loves us.
The apparition of life, don't give him anything more, anything less. When you do something where you don't gain anything from what that is ? It's a gift. And a gift comes out of love.
He doesn't need us to worship him, we need to worship him to have a sense in life, find contentment and be happy in the next life.

I could never believe that an omnipotent being could be capable of caring about anything. Something infinite cannot be precious and an omnipotent being could make an infinite number of whatever they want so how could they find anything precious.

 

[Pubertymaxxer3]

bumperino strangerino

 

[thickdickdaddy27]

Another W for athiests/agnostics

 

[MostGLSlayer]

IMO, man created God to cope with inevitable death. But I'm agnostic so who knows happen when we die or if there's a higher power.

 

[Gengar]

@streege @TheCopefulCurry @sytyl @Dukeys @TRUE_CEL @Lmao

indeed bhai

 

[Deleted member 2968]

Its society's fault and expecially parents fault
You can't blame god for your lack of bones and success.He doesnt decide your destiny.He just guides your way to Heaven when you die.Its better to die and maybe go to Heaven then die and just disappear in emptiness

 

[Deleted member 275]

Has anyone ever read direct translations of ancient texts the bible is based on?

I feel like priests, society, etc. just give a cucked version of religion to the masses.

Imagine if Mozes talked about fucking 8 year olds and killing the powerfull and rich. They ain't gonna talk about that story in church are they.