Restarting my thumbpulling journey

[tomahawk]

ur IMW isn't 41mm btw thats from the POINTS where ur teeth contact not the edge of ur tooth that orthos measure from. Id say it's prolly 37-37.5mm IRL. Also how old are u?

Youre claiming my tilt is shit?

 

[tomahawk]

I had this conversations so many times already and have bundled grudges how people deny and troll and mock the idea while I get results and it literally works I also have a friend we do it both and it works but I just keep thinking about I'll just better gatekeep it no one needs to know this I've come across allot of threads where I could comment on it like I did here today but I didn't but you're the one thread where I said something

Ретард

 

[Tr0ubLe]

Cope
Beltpulling will cause openbite

No it won't. It compacts midface and pops cheekbones. Don't over do it tho

 

[tomahawk]

No it won't. It compacts midface and pops cheekbones. Don't over do it tho

Show proof

 

[Tr0ubLe]

whats beltpulling
like chew and tug on the belt?

I do towel or cotton shirt.

 

[Tr0ubLe]

Show proof

OG lookism guy ricecel proved this. Search it up or try it for a few days.
Same with thumbpulling you get quick temp gains after a few sessions.

 

[tomahawk]

OG lookism guy ricecel proved this. Search it up or try it for a few days.
Same with thumbpulling you get quick temp gains after a few sessions.

Send the thread

 

[ihatemySOST]

Yes
I know you're high IQ

What I'm about to say is purely theoretical and empirical; there are no randomized studies to back it up. If it convinces you, follow it; if not, simply ignore it

Okay, let's look at this study because it's very interesting: "Use of a Modified Expander During Rapid Maxillary Expansion in Adults: An In Vitro and Finite Element Study." In this study, they used the skulls of 70-year-old women with a completely closed midpalatal suture (confirmed by CBCT, although it's often still slightly open, as CBCT isn't precise, but it gives me a preliminary picture of the suture's condition). A Hyrax device was used, but instead of attaching it to the teeth, they did something clever: they cut off its ends, then placed it on the midpalatal suture and secured it with very small screws (not like MSE, just small screws as a method of fixation). Then they activated the device 0.2 mm every 20 seconds for four activations, meaning the force gradually increased until the suture was completely separated. However, the force required to fully open the suture was only 85 N (the opening was confirmed by CBCT). Now look at the image below; you'll see that the force The tension is very localized, almost at the mid-palatal suture. Now, this is very interesting, so the idea is as follows: First, you must perform thumb pulling correctly (the thumbs must be very close to the suture, as I explained last time, so that the force is concentrated directly on the mid-palatal suture).

Then, do a very long round, 1-3 minutes, at full force. The combined force of the thumbs will be at least 200N, which is much higher than in the study. It's true that some force will be absorbed by the soft tissues, but it will be very small, and we will closely mimic the device they used in the study. Also, according to this source: "Development of a novel histological and histomorphometric evaluation protocol for a standardized description of the mid-palatal suture - An ex vivo study"

Individuals aged 70 had a tightly packed suture with few blood vessels, while young adults aged 20-30 had a much wider mid-palatal suture with many blood vessels. In short... In our case, the suture in the study was almost completely closed, but ours is still almost completely open, meaning the force needed to open it is much less. It's literally impossible not to be able to open the suture in the middle of your palate using your thumbs (provided both thumbs are directly next to the suture). What I'm trying to say is that at the beginning of each day, do a long thumb-pulling session (1-3 minutes) with maximum force, and then for the rest of the day do short sessions of 5-10 seconds to provide strong, periodic stimulation for suture growth.


According to this study “ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4430698/“ even one thumb can give more than 110n in lateral pulling

 

[tomahawk]

What I'm about to say is purely theoretical and empirical; there are no randomized studies to back it up. If it convinces you, follow it; if not, simply ignore it

Okay, let's look at this study because it's very interesting: "Use of a Modified Expander During Rapid Maxillary Expansion in Adults: An In Vitro and Finite Element Study." In this study, they used the skulls of 70-year-old women with a completely closed midpalatal suture (confirmed by CBCT, although it's often still slightly open, as CBCT isn't precise, but it gives me a preliminary picture of the suture's condition). A Hyrax device was used, but instead of attaching it to the teeth, they did something clever: they cut off its ends, then placed it on the midpalatal suture and secured it with very small screws (not like MSE, just small screws as a method of fixation). Then they activated the device 0.2 mm every 20 seconds for four activations, meaning the force gradually increased until the suture was completely separated. However, the force required to fully open the suture was only 85 N (the opening was confirmed by CBCT). Now look at the image below; you'll see that the force The tension is very localized, almost at the mid-palatal suture. Now, this is very interesting, so the idea is as follows: First, you must perform thumb pulling correctly (the thumbs must be very close to the suture, as I explained last time, so that the force is concentrated directly on the mid-palatal suture).
View attachment 4545131View attachment 4545132View attachment 4545133View attachment 4545134

Then, do a very long round, 1-3 minutes, at full force. The combined force of the thumbs will be at least 200N, which is much higher than in the study. It's true that some force will be absorbed by the soft tissues, but it will be very small, and we will closely mimic the device they used in the study. Also, according to this source: "Development of a novel histological and histomorphometric evaluation protocol for a standardized description of the mid-palatal suture - An ex vivo study"

Individuals aged 70 had a tightly packed suture with few blood vessels, while young adults aged 20-30 had a much wider mid-palatal suture with many blood vessels. In short... In our case, the suture in the study was almost completely closed, but ours is still almost completely open, meaning the force needed to open it is much less. It's literally impossible not to be able to open the suture in the middle of your palate using your thumbs (provided both thumbs are directly next to the suture). What I'm trying to say is that at the beginning of each day, do a long thumb-pulling session (1-3 minutes) with maximum force, and then for the rest of the day do short sessions of 5-10 seconds to provide strong, periodic stimulation for suture growth.


According to this study “ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4430698/“ even one thumb can give more than 110n in lateral pulling

good idea good hint will try

 

[tomahawk]

What I'm about to say is purely theoretical and empirical; there are no randomized studies to back it up. If it convinces you, follow it; if not, simply ignore it

Okay, let's look at this study because it's very interesting: "Use of a Modified Expander During Rapid Maxillary Expansion in Adults: An In Vitro and Finite Element Study." In this study, they used the skulls of 70-year-old women with a completely closed midpalatal suture (confirmed by CBCT, although it's often still slightly open, as CBCT isn't precise, but it gives me a preliminary picture of the suture's condition). A Hyrax device was used, but instead of attaching it to the teeth, they did something clever: they cut off its ends, then placed it on the midpalatal suture and secured it with very small screws (not like MSE, just small screws as a method of fixation). Then they activated the device 0.2 mm every 20 seconds for four activations, meaning the force gradually increased until the suture was completely separated. However, the force required to fully open the suture was only 85 N (the opening was confirmed by CBCT). Now look at the image below; you'll see that the force The tension is very localized, almost at the mid-palatal suture. Now, this is very interesting, so the idea is as follows: First, you must perform thumb pulling correctly (the thumbs must be very close to the suture, as I explained last time, so that the force is concentrated directly on the mid-palatal suture).
View attachment 4545131View attachment 4545132View attachment 4545133View attachment 4545134

Then, do a very long round, 1-3 minutes, at full force. The combined force of the thumbs will be at least 200N, which is much higher than in the study. It's true that some force will be absorbed by the soft tissues, but it will be very small, and we will closely mimic the device they used in the study. Also, according to this source: "Development of a novel histological and histomorphometric evaluation protocol for a standardized description of the mid-palatal suture - An ex vivo study"

Individuals aged 70 had a tightly packed suture with few blood vessels, while young adults aged 20-30 had a much wider mid-palatal suture with many blood vessels. In short... In our case, the suture in the study was almost completely closed, but ours is still almost completely open, meaning the force needed to open it is much less. It's literally impossible not to be able to open the suture in the middle of your palate using your thumbs (provided both thumbs are directly next to the suture). What I'm trying to say is that at the beginning of each day, do a long thumb-pulling session (1-3 minutes) with maximum force, and then for the rest of the day do short sessions of 5-10 seconds to provide strong, periodic stimulation for suture growth.


According to this study “ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4430698/“ even one thumb can give more than 110n in lateral pulling

what about doing the same shit but for longer? the opener for 5 mins and a minute every hour after that

 

[paradoxx.]

At 40.5mm imw rn
Protocol is 1 min intermolar laterally and 1 min forward and up at the front, behind the incisive papilla every hr
Before i upped from 38mm to 41mm in 3 months (video proof!)

why not just get a palate expander? easier and faster

 

[bl0ndch4d]

Obviously, IMW is a pretty direct measure of palatal width.
I've also seen a lot of forward growth
1st pic is after and last 2 are before

Looks prety good. You might suffer for being a ricecel (JBW ) and for being a 5'9 manlet but overall you really have great potential. Keep grinding bro

 

[tomahawk]

Looks prety good. You might suffer for being a ricecel (JBW ) and for being a 5'9 manlet but overall you really have great potential. Keep grinding bro

im a proud ethnic+ will grow

 

[tomahawk]

why not just get a palate expander? easier and faster

money+prove a point

 

[choppedpajeet]

What I'm about to say is purely theoretical and empirical; there are no randomized studies to back it up. If it convinces you, follow it; if not, simply ignore it

Okay, let's look at this study because it's very interesting: "Use of a Modified Expander During Rapid Maxillary Expansion in Adults: An In Vitro and Finite Element Study." In this study, they used the skulls of 70-year-old women with a completely closed midpalatal suture (confirmed by CBCT, although it's often still slightly open, as CBCT isn't precise, but it gives me a preliminary picture of the suture's condition). A Hyrax device was used, but instead of attaching it to the teeth, they did something clever: they cut off its ends, then placed it on the midpalatal suture and secured it with very small screws (not like MSE, just small screws as a method of fixation). Then they activated the device 0.2 mm every 20 seconds for four activations, meaning the force gradually increased until the suture was completely separated. However, the force required to fully open the suture was only 85 N (the opening was confirmed by CBCT). Now look at the image below; you'll see that the force The tension is very localized, almost at the mid-palatal suture. Now, this is very interesting, so the idea is as follows: First, you must perform thumb pulling correctly (the thumbs must be very close to the suture, as I explained last time, so that the force is concentrated directly on the mid-palatal suture).
View attachment 4545131View attachment 4545132View attachment 4545133View attachment 4545134

Then, do a very long round, 1-3 minutes, at full force. The combined force of the thumbs will be at least 200N, which is much higher than in the study. It's true that some force will be absorbed by the soft tissues, but it will be very small, and we will closely mimic the device they used in the study. Also, according to this source: "Development of a novel histological and histomorphometric evaluation protocol for a standardized description of the mid-palatal suture - An ex vivo study"

Individuals aged 70 had a tightly packed suture with few blood vessels, while young adults aged 20-30 had a much wider mid-palatal suture with many blood vessels. In short... In our case, the suture in the study was almost completely closed, but ours is still almost completely open, meaning the force needed to open it is much less. It's literally impossible not to be able to open the suture in the middle of your palate using your thumbs (provided both thumbs are directly next to the suture). What I'm trying to say is that at the beginning of each day, do a long thumb-pulling session (1-3 minutes) with maximum force, and then for the rest of the day do short sessions of 5-10 seconds to provide strong, periodic stimulation for suture growth.


According to this study “ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4430698/“ even one thumb can give more than 110n in lateral pulling

finally backk I aspire to have your iq and schizo one day. Mind shariing an invite to your dc server/giving ur discord in dm

 

[tomahawk]

@maxximus the most important man
Im at 40mm rn tho

 

[tweaqo]

Cool but have u seen any facial changes…?

 

[tomahawk]

Cool but have u seen any facial changes…?

Yes, definitely.
Before:

After:

Obviously, IMW is a pretty direct measure of palatal width.
I've also seen a lot of forward growth
1st pic is after and last 2 are before

Also this

 

[tomahawk]

@Micrognathic thoughts?

 

[Micrognathic]

@Micrognathic thoughts?

honestly im not that well-versed in this kind of stuff, but it seems like it's working for you, so why not continue

also ur voice is hella deep. Where are u from?

 

[tomahawk]

honestly im not that well-versed in this kind of stuff, but it seems like it's working for you, so why not continue

also ur voice is hella deep. Where are u from?

I'm from Kazakhstan
Yeah a few days of forcing makes you go permadeep

 

[chrisitsoverr]

At 40.5mm imw rn
Protocol is 1 min intermolar laterally and 1 min forward and up at the front, behind the incisive papilla every hr
Before i upped from 38mm to 41mm in 3 months (video proof!)

placebo

 

[tomahawk]

placebo

Measurements are not placebo

 

[Gandy'sOrbitalVecto]

 

[jeoyw9192]

I'm from Kazakhstan
Yeah a few days of forcing makes you go permadeep

forcing?

 

[tomahawk]

forcing?

yeah just force it lower and itll stuck

 

[maxximus]

@maxximus the most important man
Im at 40mm rn tho

Amazing

I'm seeing results too. How do you deal with the bruising on the palate? It's really annoying.

 

[tomahawk]

Amazing

I'm seeing results too. How do you deal with the bruising on the palate? It's really annoying.

i used to get it
just paused for a while

 

[ShukatsuDev]

At 40.5mm imw rn
Protocol is 1 min intermolar laterally and 1 min forward and up at the front, behind the incisive papilla every hr
Before i upped from 38mm to 41mm in 3 months (video proof!)

Thumbpulling is cope... instead try getting a strong friend to smash your face in so you can get bone remodeling surgery, or be my other friend and get in a motorcycle crash so you can get full facial remodelling

 

[tomahawk]

Thumbpulling is cope... instead try getting a strong friend to smash your face in so you can get bone remodeling surgery, or be my other friend and get in a motorcycle crash so you can get full facial remodelling

bad jester

 

[ShukatsuDev]

bad jester

Bakaaaa, gambare gambare

 

[Jimcel]

At 40.5mm imw rn
Protocol is 1 min intermolar laterally and 1 min forward and up at the front, behind the incisive papilla every hr
Before i upped from 38mm to 41mm in 3 months (video proof!)

Make a thumpulling thread with better evidence and the science behind it

 

[tomahawk]

Make a thumpulling thread with better evidence and the science behind it

in 3 months

 

[Jimcel]

in 3 months

Okay bhai

 

[ybgdonquan]

thumbpulling + masai jumps = chad forward growth

 

[maxximus]

i used to get it
just paused for a while

Yeah that's what I did too

thanks

 

[vampi]

What I'm about to say is purely theoretical and empirical; there are no randomized studies to back it up. If it convinces you, follow it; if not, simply ignore it

Okay, let's look at this study because it's very interesting: "Use of a Modified Expander During Rapid Maxillary Expansion in Adults: An In Vitro and Finite Element Study." In this study, they used the skulls of 70-year-old women with a completely closed midpalatal suture (confirmed by CBCT, although it's often still slightly open, as CBCT isn't precise, but it gives me a preliminary picture of the suture's condition). A Hyrax device was used, but instead of attaching it to the teeth, they did something clever: they cut off its ends, then placed it on the midpalatal suture and secured it with very small screws (not like MSE, just small screws as a method of fixation). Then they activated the device 0.2 mm every 20 seconds for four activations, meaning the force gradually increased until the suture was completely separated. However, the force required to fully open the suture was only 85 N (the opening was confirmed by CBCT). Now look at the image below; you'll see that the force The tension is very localized, almost at the mid-palatal suture. Now, this is very interesting, so the idea is as follows: First, you must perform thumb pulling correctly (the thumbs must be very close to the suture, as I explained last time, so that the force is concentrated directly on the mid-palatal suture).
View attachment 4545131View attachment 4545132View attachment 4545133View attachment 4545134

Then, do a very long round, 1-3 minutes, at full force. The combined force of the thumbs will be at least 200N, which is much higher than in the study. It's true that some force will be absorbed by the soft tissues, but it will be very small, and we will closely mimic the device they used in the study. Also, according to this source: "Development of a novel histological and histomorphometric evaluation protocol for a standardized description of the mid-palatal suture - An ex vivo study"

Individuals aged 70 had a tightly packed suture with few blood vessels, while young adults aged 20-30 had a much wider mid-palatal suture with many blood vessels. In short... In our case, the suture in the study was almost completely closed, but ours is still almost completely open, meaning the force needed to open it is much less. It's literally impossible not to be able to open the suture in the middle of your palate using your thumbs (provided both thumbs are directly next to the suture). What I'm trying to say is that at the beginning of each day, do a long thumb-pulling session (1-3 minutes) with maximum force, and then for the rest of the day do short sessions of 5-10 seconds to provide strong, periodic stimulation for suture growth.


According to this study “ https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4430698/“ even one thumb can give more than 110n in lateral pulling

Bookmarked to read later

 

[ascendtocl122]

I can give u good protocol based from science if u are interested

pm me

 

[Maxillular]

Stupid analogy
Think, youre biting on something and pulling forward, it's going to pull the anchor independently
The anchor here is teeth

But if you fasten the anchor to an object then the object will move along with it.

If you clench your jaws together and bite down as hard as possible, then your teeth will be held in place and the force will be distributed to your maxilla

 

[pheenon]

You’re most likely expanding the dental arch which is gonna fuck ur teeth up

 

[tomahawk]

But if you fasten the anchor to an object then the object will move along with it.

If you clench your jaws together and bite down as hard as possible, then your teeth will be held in place and the force will be distributed to your maxilla

Im trying the belt
Maybe youre right

 

[tomahawk]

You’re most likely expanding the dental arch which is gonna fuck ur teeth up

The dental tipping stays the same

 

[pslfinalboss]

I have seen more anecdotal evidence for thumbpulling than any other method tbh. At this point if you do it correctly I believe there is an 80% chance you will see results

 

[Blunst_]

I can give u good protocol based from science if u are interested

Im interested, could you send me the protocol?

 

[jeoyw9192]

I can give u good protocol based from science if u are interested

DMed

 

[sub5_subhuman]

its like saying dont bench you gonna break your arms dont drive a car you gonna get into a accident dont take the elivators its gonna get stuck yk all of that i total bullshit and your type of autistic retarted stupid dumb argument especially with that eye cancer causing font i really just wanna kill you with a extended clock 19 but at some point i think that you know that facepulling works and that you want to gatekeep it and say it doesnt work so when people come here and read my message and then ur reponse that they wont attempt even trying so at the end they never ascend and looks inflation slows down bcuz ppl dont touch trying facepulling so i wont argue against it
and also i already had conversations like these in 2024 and early 2025 and i still see people not leearning anything so that might also triggered me anyway it wont matter you are a stranger

edit; i dont actually want to kill u, i was just expressing my anger on how hypervigilant your reponse was which triggered cuz its so water and i dont like abvious answers cuz you have to take risks to get what you want but you also might just baited me and i fell hard for it
and also if you actaully invested time reading about facepulling, the risks are low but you didnt and immediatly negate the idea
and i already had conversations like these in 2024 and early 2025 and explained how thumpulling is ineffective and that you need to progress force and its similar like doing knee pushups(thumbpulling) and progressivly moving to pushups, dips, bench (facepulling with more force and leverage techniques etc)

how do you facepull? do u have routine? if yes please share