Retin A or Diuretics to burn face fat

[RODEBLUR]

Which works best? Or can i take both? Serious question

 

[xdxdxnice1]

retin a doesn’t burn fat it’s a low iq meme on this forum

it just thins ur skin temporarily before it thickens it so it can give the appearance that you lost fat

 

[RODEBLUR]

retin a doesn’t burn fat it’s a low iq meme on this forum

it just thins ur skin temporarily before it thickens it so it can give the appearance that you lost fat

So are there long-term results with that or not

 

[xdxdxnice1]

So are there long-term results with that or not

long term result is god like skin texture and insane anti-aging. nothing to do with fat

 

[RODEBLUR]

long term result is god like skin texture and insane anti-aging. nothing to do with fat

So Retin A won't help me get hollow cheeks then. What about Diuretics

 

[xdxdxnice1]

So Retin A won't help me get hollow cheeks then. What about Diuretics

u will never have hollow cheeks until u actually hit puberty man, you are prepubescent as fuck. just wait a few years and see what you look like

 

[RODEBLUR]

u will never have hollow cheeks until u actually hit puberty man, you are prepubescent as fuck. just wait a few years and see what you look like

Fucking hell. Atleast i've been retarded enough in school to still be in at 18

 

[Cares]

Do you even know what both of these things do?

A diuretic removes water from the body, temporarily. retin a exfoliates the skin and in doing so removes file lines..

 

[RODEBLUR]

Do you even know what both of these things do?

A diuretic removes water from the body, temporarily. retin a exfoliates the skin and in doing so removes file lines..

that's why i asked
fuck you think

 

[Cares]

that's why i asked
fuck you think

And you are still that stupid?

THEY DONT BURN FACIAL FAT YOU FUCKING IDIOT

KYS

 

[eduardkoopman]

long term result is god like skin texture and insane anti-aging. nothing to do with fat

I wish. I lost volume, under eyes. Which I could not afford to lose.

 

[xdxdxnice1]

I wish. I lost volume, under eyes

i’ve been using it under eyes and have lost volume but eventually the skin will thicken again and it will improve. just keep at it tbh

 

[eduardkoopman]

i’ve been using it under eyes and have lost volume but eventually the skin will thicken again and it will improve. just keep at it tbh

It's not sue to skin thickness loss in my case. I think.
I have been using it for long time daily. Like 9 months orso.

 

[xdxdxnice1]

It's not sue to skin thickness loss in my case. I think.
I have been using it for long time daily. Like 9 months orso.

are u sure it’s the product and not just natural ageing or something?

 

[RODEBLUR]

And you are still that stupid?

THEY DONT BURN FACIAL FAT YOU FUCKING IDIOT

KYS

Damn bro

Your autism is strong today

Should i call your helper

 

[Cares]

Damn bro

Your autism is strong today

Should i call your helper

You thought those two things burned fat. That level of idiocy is stunning.

My autism? Perhaps look up the definition of the word before using it as you really are clueless

 

[RODEBLUR]

You thought those two things burned fat. That level of idiocy is stunning.

My autism? Perhaps look up the definition of the word before using it as you really are clueless

Yes i did think they burned fat. I've heard of both these products that they helped in burning face fat. I wanted to make sure of this.
What's the problem?
And bro, i know more about autism than anyone here, i go to the worst schools in my country and i've met a loooot of people with autism lemme tell ya

 

[eduardkoopman]

are u sure it’s the product and not just natural ageing or something?

Not 100%. Because I am getting older, obviously.
I did find that in 1990's orso there was a patent (now expried patent) for fatloss-product-use on "retinA". So there may be some correlation. Why else the patent.

***

Source:
Patent for retinoids fro fat loss.

US5051449A - Treatment of cellulite with retinoids - Google Patents

A method for retarding and reversing cellulite comprises topically applying to human skin a retinoid in an amount and for a period of time effective to retard or reverse cellulite where said amount is insufficient to be excessively irritating. The method preferably uses retinoic acid in an...

patents.google.com

Quotes from that patent description:
" A firmer, thicker and healthier dermis achieved by applying retinoids in accordance with the present invention inhibits the mobility of easily compressible fat locules, limiting their projection from the subcutaneous fat layer into the overlying dermis."

"Moreover, a moderate inflammatory reaction in the fibrous septaedividing the fat compartments of the subcutaneous tissue was eliminated on the retinoic acid side. Fibrosis (scarring) was also reduced. "

"Moreover, ultrasound indicated that fat locules did not project as deeply into the dermis, indicating that these projections were contained by the firmer connective tissue. "

**************

So I try to draw some conclusions.

Does tretinoin cause actually fat loss?
I did find that some fat loss creams do use retinoids (which tretinoin is 1 type of).

There exists a pattent (used for celulite mainly), for that use for retinoids.
Basically what I read there:, I think.

It seems, it'n not that the fat goes away or becomes less or anything.
But, it (fat) becomes more compact and less visible (and thus less volume).
The layers above the fat (skin layers from outside to inside: uperdermis, dermis, fat), so theuperdermis, dermis. Those 2 layers become more compact and "stronger", so the fat cells underneat thos 2 layers, can't push/move them (since they are sofy not so hard/strong) upwards so much and give the pressence of volume. Hence the appearance of loss of volume (even though correct term is maybe: "more compact/compressed).
Also, But I'm not sure if i read this correctly. The fat cels outher layer becomes "stronger" making the fat sells also more compact.

I'm not 100% sure if I read that correctly. But that's how it sounded to me.

 

[xdxdxnice1]

Not 100%. Because I am getting older, obviously.
I did find that in 1990's orso there was a patent (now expried patent) for fatloss-product-use on "retinA". So there may be some correlation. Why else the patent.

***

Source:
Patent for retinoids fro fat loss.

US5051449A - Treatment of cellulite with retinoids - Google Patents

A method for retarding and reversing cellulite comprises topically applying to human skin a retinoid in an amount and for a period of time effective to retard or reverse cellulite where said amount is insufficient to be excessively irritating. The method preferably uses retinoic acid in an...

patents.google.com

Quotes from that patent description:
" A firmer, thicker and healthier dermis achieved by applying retinoids in accordance with the present invention inhibits the mobility of easily compressible fat locules, limiting their projection from the subcutaneous fat layer into the overlying dermis."

"Moreover, a moderate inflammatory reaction in the fibrous septaedividing the fat compartments of the subcutaneous tissue was eliminated on the retinoic acid side. Fibrosis (scarring) was also reduced. "

"Moreover, ultrasound indicated that fat locules did not project as deeply into the dermis, indicating that these projections were contained by the firmer connective tissue. "

**************

So I try to draw some conclusions.

Does tretinoin cause actually fat loss?
I did find that some fat loss creams do use retinoids (which tretinoin is 1 type of).

There exists a pattent (used for celulite mainly), for that use for retinoids.
Basically what I read there:, I think.

It seems, it'n not that the fat goes away or becomes less or anything.
But, it (fat) becomes more compact and less visible (and thus less volume).
The layers above the fat (skin layers from outside to inside: uperdermis, dermis, fat), so theuperdermis, dermis. Those 2 layers become more compact and "stronger", so the fat cells underneat thos 2 layers, can't push/move them (since they are sofy not so hard/strong) upwards so much and give the pressence of volume. Hence the appearance of loss of volume (even though correct term is maybe: "more compact/compressed).
Also, But I'm not sure if i read this correctly. The fat cels outher layer becomes "stronger" making the fat sells also more compact.

I'm not 100% sure if I read that correctly. But that's how it sounded to me.

this is insanely high IQ. make this into its own post it’s really valuable information

 

[RODEBLUR]

this is insanely high IQ. make this into its own post it’s really valuable information

mad

 

[Deleted member 534]

Not 100%. Because I am getting older, obviously.
I did find that in 1990's orso there was a patent (now expried patent) for fatloss-product-use on "retinA". So there may be some correlation. Why else the patent.

***

Source:
Patent for retinoids fro fat loss.

US5051449A - Treatment of cellulite with retinoids - Google Patents

A method for retarding and reversing cellulite comprises topically applying to human skin a retinoid in an amount and for a period of time effective to retard or reverse cellulite where said amount is insufficient to be excessively irritating. The method preferably uses retinoic acid in an...

patents.google.com

Quotes from that patent description:
" A firmer, thicker and healthier dermis achieved by applying retinoids in accordance with the present invention inhibits the mobility of easily compressible fat locules, limiting their projection from the subcutaneous fat layer into the overlying dermis."

"Moreover, a moderate inflammatory reaction in the fibrous septaedividing the fat compartments of the subcutaneous tissue was eliminated on the retinoic acid side. Fibrosis (scarring) was also reduced. "

"Moreover, ultrasound indicated that fat locules did not project as deeply into the dermis, indicating that these projections were contained by the firmer connective tissue. "

**************

So I try to draw some conclusions.

Does tretinoin cause actually fat loss?
I did find that some fat loss creams do use retinoids (which tretinoin is 1 type of).

There exists a pattent (used for celulite mainly), for that use for retinoids.
Basically what I read there:, I think.

It seems, it'n not that the fat goes away or becomes less or anything.
But, it (fat) becomes more compact and less visible (and thus less volume).
The layers above the fat (skin layers from outside to inside: uperdermis, dermis, fat), so theuperdermis, dermis. Those 2 layers become more compact and "stronger", so the fat cells underneat thos 2 layers, can't push/move them (since they are sofy not so hard/strong) upwards so much and give the pressence of volume. Hence the appearance of loss of volume (even though correct term is maybe: "more compact/compressed).
Also, But I'm not sure if i read this correctly. The fat cels outher layer becomes "stronger" making the fat sells also more compact.

I'm not 100% sure if I read that correctly. But that's how it sounded to me.

So what I’m getting from this is that the fat module get tighten up (but not lost) and that tighten effects gives the illusion of fat loss?

 

[eduardkoopman]

So what I’m getting from this is that the fat module get tighten up (but not lost) and that tighten effects gives the illusion of fat loss?

That's how I read it. But it's techincal as hell to read that patent thing, so I may misinterpret it.

PLus on top of that, the "thicker" or "stronger" skin layers makeing it less easy for the fat to push.

THIS. would also MEAN. That it's reverseable. When you stop Tretinoin/retinA. And it all gets a bit less tightened again.
I would imagine.

WELL, I'have stopped using it under eyes. SO I guess I am myself in this way a test case. I'll see what happens

 

[eduardkoopman]

this is insanely high IQ. make this into its own post it’s really valuable information

In essense. it should mean then also. that it's reverseable. By stopping tretioin. I'have stopped recently. I will see if I see changes or not. That wiould be great added information. althougyh only sample size of 1 person.

 

[xdxdxnice1]

That's how I read it. But it's techincal as hell to read that patent thing, so I may misinterpret it.

PLus on top of that, the "thicker" or "stronger" skin layers makeing it less easy for the fat to push.

THIS. would also MEAN. That it's reverseable. When you stop Tretinoin/retinA. And it all gets a bit less tightened again.
I would imagine.

WELL, I'have stopped using it under eyes. SO I guess I am myself in this way a test case. I'll see what happens

i have read that it can ‘leak’ inches across your skin to other areas. so that even if you are not using it around your eyes it may still reach there

 

[Lev Peshkov]

Jfl you fst fuck

Stop eating shit and start drinking more water, less salt and giga cardio

 

[RODEBLUR]

Jfl you fst fuck

Stop eating shit and start drinking more water, less salt and giga cardio

I don't really go outside but i'm def not fat i'm underweight

 

[Lev Peshkov]

I don't really go outside but i'm def not fat i'm underweight

OK, so what you have is facial bloat. All you need to do is what I told you.

Retin a doesn't disove fat most likely either

Also idk what diuretics is

 

[RODEBLUR]

OK, so what you have is facial bloat. All you need to do is what I told you.

Retin a doesn't disove fat most likely either

Also idk what diuretics is

Damn. Guess i gotta runmaxx

 

[eduardkoopman]

i have read that it can ‘leak’ inches across your skin to other areas. so that even if you are not using it around your eyes it may still reach there

Yeah. True that.
I stay away quit about from there. Apply below the cheeckbone line. Probably 10 cm orso away.
That's hopefully enough.distance

 

[eduardkoopman]

this is insanely high IQ. make this into its own post it’s really valuable information

To add.
I been off retin-A fro some time around the eyes. Because I thought it caused fatloss there.

My hypotisis seemed right. that it's reverseable.

I checked today. And I'm now off retinA for like 1 month plus. And my volume inder eyes has come back.
So that may support my hypothosis that the fat is not lost, but structure and compactness changes caused it.

Sadly me stopping the Retin-A, the small wrinkles around eyes increased. AND the THICKER-ish skin I got from retinA under eyes is gone.
I need to read UP, on how I could mittiage volume loss. Then I would had found the wholy grain. Aplying something for daytime that dds volume, and RetinA for night. That may beat my dark circles the best.

I need to figure out. What is proven Volume maxxers creams.

 

[xdxdxnice1]

To add.
I been off retin-A fro some time around the eyes. Because I thought it caused fatloss there.

My hypotisis seemed right. that it's reverseable.

I checked today. And I'm now off retinA for like 1 month plus. And my volume inder eyes has come back.
So that may support my hypothosis that the fat is not lost, but structure and compactness changes caused it.

Sadly me stopping the Retin-A, the small wrinkles around eyes increased. AND the THICKER-ish skin I got from retinA under eyes is gone.
I need to read UP, on how I could mittiage volume loss. Then I would had found the wholy grain. Aplying something for daytime that dds volume, and RetinA for night. That may beat my dark circles the best.

I need to figure out. What is proven Volume maxxers creams.

very interesting. it gives me a little bit of peace of mind since i’m just trying to power through the worsened under eye area until the skin is thick enough to compensate for the thinner skin and less apparent eye fat. i can just quit it if it doesn’t improve

i don’t think you will find much on how to mitigate volume loss tbh. but if you do please let me know.

 

[eduardkoopman]

very interesting. it gives me a little bit of peace of mind since i’m just trying to power through the worsened under eye area until the skin is thick enough to compensate for the thinner skin and less apparent eye fat. i can just quit it if it doesn’t improve

i don’t think you will find much on how to mitigate volume loss tbh. but if you do please let me know.

First quick searches. I am going to look into topically application of DMAE and Hylaronic Acid.
I need to read search about its affect on volume or plumping the skin. Scientific evidence speaking.

 

[Deleted member 534]

First quick searches. I am going to look into topically application of DMAE and Hylaronic Acid.
I need to read search about its affect on volume or plumping the skin. Scientific evidence speaking.

Dmae seems cope to me ngl

applying vitamin C in the morning and Niacinamide (b3) at night is big in skincare

it could be your diet, how is your diet?

 

[eduardkoopman]

Dmae seems cope to me ngl

applying vitamin C in the morning and Niacinamide (b3) at night is big in skincare

it could be your diet, how is your diet?

I eat pretty consistently. I don't diet. Muh wait and fat percentage is also pretty consistent.

 

[Deleted member 5393]

retin a doesn’t burn fat it’s a low iq meme on this forum

it just thins ur skin temporarily before it thickens it so it can give the appearance that you lost fat

Its proven to burn fat pads but make ur skin collagen thicker

 

[eduardkoopman]

Its proven to burn fat pads but make ur skin collagen thicker

"Burn"?.
Go away, or shrink, or get more compact, etc..?

 

[Deleted member 534]

Its proven to burn fat pads but make ur skin collagen thicker

It tighten the face which in results tighten the muscles and skin which results In leaner face

 

[Soalian]

To add.
I been off retin-A fro some time around the eyes. Because I thought it caused fatloss there.

My hypotisis seemed right. that it's reverseable.

I checked today. And I'm now off retinA for like 1 month plus. And my volume inder eyes has come back.
So that may support my hypothosis that the fat is not lost, but structure and compactness changes caused it.

Sadly me stopping the Retin-A, the small wrinkles around eyes increased. AND the THICKER-ish skin I got from retinA under eyes is gone.
I need to read UP, on how I could mittiage volume loss. Then I would had found the wholy grain. Aplying something for daytime that dds volume, and RetinA for night. That may beat my dark circles the best.

I need to figure out. What is proven Volume maxxers creams.

Did you get some more volume back in the eye area OP?

I'm in the same boat

 

[Bird Bluebird]

Which works best? Or can i take both? Serious question

Where do you even get the idea from that a diuretic burns fat? Have you ever googled before what a diuretic actually does?

 

[eduardkoopman]

Did you get some more volume back in the eye area OP?

I'm in the same boat

Yes, report is in. I stopped for some time with tretinoin under eyes. And I gotta back to old volume under eyes again.
I had weak under eye volume always, but it returned back to what it was before. Because on tretinoin it for even worse.

I'm currently experimenting with:
Using tretinoin again under eyes ( for thicker skin Aman good against wrinkles).
And a moisturizer that plumose the skin. Aka trying to create volume through skin plumping.
I still need to investigate which products are best at plumping skin. I use ATM an overpriced DMAE + Hylaronic Acid moisturizer there under eyes. They said I think both ingredients have plumping qualities.

 

[Soalian]

Yes, report is in. I stopped for some time with tretinoin under eyes. And I gotta back to old volume under eyes again.
I had weak under eye volume always, but it returned back to what it was before. Because on tretinoin it for even worse.

I'm currently experimenting with:
Using tretinoin again under eyes ( for thicker skin Aman good against wrinkles).
And a moisturizer that plumose the skin. Aka trying to create volume through skin plumping.
I still need to investigate which products are best at plumping skin. I use ATM an overpriced DMAE + Hylaronic Acid moisturizer there under eyes. They said I think both ingredients have plumping qualities.

Thanks for the reply man.

If I may ask, if you're using Hyaluronic Acid on the under-eye area for plumping and volunizing effects, why not consider having Hyaluronic Acid injected there instead/as well?

That's what I'm considering ATM for my poor under-eye support (amplified by Tretinoin use I believe).

But Tretinoin was good at mitigating the appearance of my under-eye wrinkle... You can't have your cake and eat it too it seems.

At any rate, please report back on your experience as I am starting the same regimen you started when you cut off Tretinoin from your skincare regimen

 

[eduardkoopman]

why not consider having Hyaluronic Acid injected there instead/as well?

Have self "injected" some, with hyalron pen. I hate the risk of blidness, and it's not easy to get good releults at all. It halped me some for sure.

That's what I'm considering ATM for my poor under-eye support (amplified by Tretinoin use I believe).

i hink that happened for me also. Luckily revesed back to old, which still wasn't good but at least a bit better/less darkness due to hollowness.

But Tretinoin was good at mitigating the appearance of my under-eye wrinkle... You can't have your cake and eat it too it seems.

Yeah. I need tretinoin also for wrinkles management

 

[Eren]

Have self "injected" some, with hyalron pen. I hate the risk of blidness, and it's not easy to get good releults at all. It halped me some for sure.
i hink that happened for me also. Luckily revesed back to old, which still wasn't good but at least a bit better/less darkness due to hollowness.

Yeah. I need tretinoin also for wrinkles management

so did it reverse?

 

[eduardkoopman]

so did it reverse?

Yes