roping soon again..

truecelcuck said:
I honestly cant stand this shitty life, what’s even the reason to be alive? People keep saying the same thing, “You only have one life” or “Only retards rope” But genuinely my genetics ruined my future in life. 16 and barely 5’2 is genuinely rope fuel. Ill never have a partner in life. Foids are genuinely soulless creatures. But Im stuck living this miserable life, as my parents do anything to keep me alive, even though they fucking despise me. I genuinely have no way to even rope. I hate my fucking life.:lul:
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You're gonna be alright. Happy even. So pipe down.
 
tomahawk said:
How can an all-Knowing and all-Powerful being be unconcious
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if he is all-knowing, does he know that he's all knowing? i assume that he does because he is all-knowing
so he knows that he's all knowing, then does he know that he knows that he's all-knowing? (up to infinite regress)
so all his knowledge will be infinetely about that he knows that he knows that he knows that he knows etc etc etc et cetera.
so his all knowledge is full with that shit, and it means that he doesn't know something
so your definition of god is incorrect, i'm sorry
 
theRetard said:
if he is all-knowing, does he know that he's all knowing? i assume that he does because he is all-knowing
so he knows that he's all knowing, then does he know that he knows that he's all-knowing? (up to infinite regress)
so all his knowledge will be infinetely about that he knows that he knows that he knows that he knows etc etc etc et cetera.
so his all knowledge is full with that shit, and it means that he doesn't know something
so your definition of god is incorrect, i'm sorry
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foidletslayer said:
He is
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theRetard said:
if he is all-knowing, does he know that he's all knowing? i assume that he does because he is all-knowing
so he knows that he's all knowing, then does he know that he knows that he's all-knowing? (up to infinite regress)
so all his knowledge will be infinetely about that he knows that he knows that he knows that he knows etc etc etc et cetera.
so his all knowledge is full with that shit, and it means that he doesn't know something
so your definition of god is incorrect, i'm sorry
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@tomahawk how do you explain it
 
theRetard said:
@tomahawk how do you explain it
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The claim that God’s all-knowing nature leads to an infinite regress misunderstands the nature of divine knowledge. In Islamic theology, God (Allaah) is Al-ʿAlīm (the All-Knower); His knowledge is perfect, eternal, and intrinsic not acquired or composed of separate parts put together. Statements like “God knows that He knows that He knows & etc….” do not create separate facts or limit His knowledge; they are reflections of His single, unified awareness. According to logic, nested statements about knowledge (Kp —> KKp —> KKKp…) r all true simultaneously and do not diminish the scope of what is known. Therefore both logically + theologically, the concept of God as all-knowing is coherent and consistent, and the proposed infinite regress does not invalidate it.
 
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foidletslayer said:
The claim that God’s all-knowing nature leads to an infinite regress misunderstands the nature of divine knowledge. In Islamic theology, God (Allaah) is Al-ʿAlīm (the All-Knower); His knowledge is perfect, eternal, and intrinsic not acquired or composed of separate parts put together. Statements like “God knows that He knows that He knows & etc….” do not create separate facts or limit His knowledge; they are reflections of His single, unified awareness. According to logic, nested statements about knowledge (Kp —> KKp —> KKKp…) r all true simultaneously and do not diminish the scope of what is known. Therefore both logically + theologically, the concept of God as all-knowing is coherent and consistent, and the proposed infinite regress does not invalidate it.
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well even if the volume of what he knows is infinite, this infinity consists of propositions anyway
 
theRetard said:
well even if the volume of what he knows is infinite, this infinity consists of propositions anyway
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describing God’s knowledge with propositions is a human way of expressing it, not a limitation of the divine mind. God’s all knowing nature remains complete, and coherent, and the “infinite propositions” objection does not invalidate the definition of God as all knowing

I have a question, do you truly understand the concept of the nature of divine knowledge?
 
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theRetard said:
well even if the volume of what he knows is infinite, this infinity consists of propositions anyway
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I know that you believe in the idea of God, but which god do you most resonate with as in his teachings?
 
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foidletslayer said:
describing God’s knowledge with propositions is a human way of expressing it, not a limitation of the divine mind. God’s all knowing nature remains complete, and coherent, and the “infinite propositions” objection does not invalidate the definition of God as all knowing
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then your description is human expression as well
foidletslayer said:
I have a question, do you truly understand the concept of the nature of divine knowledge?
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depends, what do you consider as divine?
 
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theRetard said:
then your description is human expression as well
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the expression is human, but what is being expressed is God’s omniscience, which is absolute & independent of human language. The description allows humans to grasp the concept w/o implying that God’s knowledge is structured like human knowledge
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depends, what do you consider as divine?
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Anything which belongs intrinsically to Allaah or originates from His essence
 
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truecelcuck said:
I honestly cant stand this shitty life, what’s even the reason to be alive? People keep saying the same thing, “You only have one life” or “Only retards rope” But genuinely my genetics ruined my future in life. 16 and barely 5’2 is genuinely rope fuel. Ill never have a partner in life. Foids are genuinely soulless creatures. But Im stuck living this miserable life, as my parents do anything to keep me alive, even though they fucking despise me. I genuinely have no way to even rope. I hate my fucking life.:lul:
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Holy I just read the tittle, nigga how do you rope again :lul::lul::lul::lul:
 
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foidletslayer said:
the expression is human, but what is being expressed is God’s omniscience, which is absolute & independent of human language. The description allows humans to grasp the concept w/o implying that God’s knowledge is structured like human knowledge
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it's not even about language, i'm talking about paradox
if that's all just human expression about god attributes then this statement must be human expression as well, it's a paradox so it's wrong
 
it takes time to comprehend your formulations ngl
 
nevER rope. Why rope when you can copemaxx? :aheago:
 
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theRetard said:
it's not even about language, i'm talking about paradox
if that's all just human expression about god attributes then this statement must be human expression as well, it's a paradox so it's wrong
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Once again, applying strict Aristotelian logic to God’s omniscience reflects a misunderstanding of both LOGIC and divine knowledge. Allaah, as Al-Alīm, possesses knowledge that is perfect, eternal, and intrinsic, INDEPENDENT of human-devised constructs or formal systems. What appear to be paradoxes such as nested propositions /// infinite regress, arise only from trying to impose finite, human rules on an infinite, timeless reality. Insights from modern logic, for example Gödel’s incompleteness theorems, further demonstrate the inherent limitations of strict formal systems. Consequently, from both a conceptual and theological perspective, God’s all-knowing nature remains coherent and fully consistent.

I want you to prove that God’s all knowing nature isn’t coherent without using strict logic
 
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@theRetard I’ll reply back tomorrow if u respond or in a few hours
 
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foidletslayer said:
Once again, applying strict Aristotelian logic to God’s omniscience reflects a misunderstanding of both LOGIC and divine knowledge. Allaah, as Al-Alīm, possesses knowledge that is perfect, eternal, and intrinsic, INDEPENDENT of human-devised constructs or formal systems. What appear to be paradoxes such as nested propositions /// infinite regress, arise only from trying to impose finite, human rules on an infinite, timeless reality. Insights from modern logic, for example Gödel’s incompleteness theorems, further demonstrate the inherent limitations of strict formal systems. Consequently, from both a conceptual and theological perspective, God’s all-knowing nature remains coherent and fully consistent.

I want you to disprove that God’s all knowing nature isn’t coherent without using strict logic
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godel barely changed something in logic, it's more applicable in science not metaphysics nor theology
and if we shouldn't use logic for god then he's illogical, if he's illogical then he cannot be an objective truth cuz truth is a thing that comes from logic
 
foidletslayer said:
Once again, applying strict Aristotelian logic to God’s omniscience reflects a misunderstanding of both LOGIC and divine knowledge. Allaah, as Al-Alīm, possesses knowledge that is perfect, eternal, and intrinsic, INDEPENDENT of human-devised constructs or formal systems. What appear to be paradoxes such as nested propositions /// infinite regress, arise only from trying to impose finite, human rules on an infinite, timeless reality. Insights from modern logic, for example Gödel’s incompleteness theorems, further demonstrate the inherent limitations of strict formal systems. Consequently, from both a conceptual and theological perspective, God’s all-knowing nature remains coherent and fully consistent.

I want you to prove that God’s all knowing nature isn’t coherent without using strict logic
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Hegel view of God, when compared to the idea of the omniscient and omnipotent divine entity, proves God as we know is not coherent (in itself) as we find contradictions in what we think its true meaning is.
 
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Believing in god wont help you, also 5’4 so nrutal
 
taai said:
Hegel view of God, when compared to the idea of the omniscient and omnipotent divine entity, proves God as we know is not coherent (in itself) as we find contradictions in what we think its true meaning is.
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what kind of contradictions?
 
GoErOnFoids said:
How so will it
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I’m not theorizing that it would, I’m simply asking you why do you believe so? & how is God related to what OP said :whistle:

Believing in God would help with cope, & life fuel
 
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taai said:
Hegel view of God, when compared to the idea of the omniscient and omnipotent divine entity, proves God as we know is not coherent (in itself) as we find contradictions in what we think its true meaning is.
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@GoErOnFoids @foidletslayer
What's so funny you niggers? You see how this debate has been going for centuries, don't even mention "why God brought us to suffer". At least I'm approaching from another philosophical frame. It's obvious that these contradictions (@theRetard) in regards the question of God exist historically.
 
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theRetard said:
godel barely changed something in logic, it's more applicable in science not metaphysics nor theology
and if we shouldn't use logic for god then he's illogical, if he's illogical then he cannot be an objective truth cuz truth is a thing that comes from logic
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I don’t think the argument works because it assumes that logic is the only & most absolute way to judge coherence and that truth comes from logic. Logic is something humans created to reason about the world, and it has clear limits. Gödel’s incompleteness theorem, Russell’s paradox, and Zeno’s paradoxes show that. Truth, on the other hand, exists independently of our reasoning systems; it reflects reality and facts, not the rules we impose on thinking. So even if God is beyond human logic, that doesn’t make Him illogical or stop Him from being an objective truth, because truth doesn’t depend on whether we can fully apply our finite logic to it.
 
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taai said:
@GoErOnFoids @foidletslayer
What's so funny you niggers? You see how this debate has been going for centuries, don't even mention "why God brought us to suffer". At least I'm approaching from another philosophical frame. It's obvious that these contradictions (@theRetard) in regards the question of God exist historically.
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i think god exists, just not abrahamic one
 
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I don’t think the argument works because it assumes that logic is the only & most absolute way to judge coherence and that truth comes from logic. Logic is something humans created to reason about the world, and it has clear limits. Gödel’s incompleteness theorem, Russell’s paradox, and Zeno’s paradoxes show that. Truth, on the other hand, exists independently of our reasoning systems; it reflects reality and facts, not the rules we impose on thinking. So even if God is beyond human logic, that doesn’t make Him illogical or stop Him from being an objective truth, because truth doesn’t depend on whether we can fully apply our finite logic to it.
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zeno's paradoxes are ruined by leibniz (just added pluralism to parmenides monism)
logic is something that exists independently from human brain in the first place, we just discovered.
A=A everywhere and independently
A=/=not A everywhere and independently
either truth or not = everywhere and independently
aristotle just formulated it, but logic as such has always existed
 
theRetard said:
i think god exists, just not abrahamic one
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What I mean is that by the fact that we still find conflict between the ideas of God proves that we are still far from what would be an ideal or more truer form of God. As we overcome these conflicts or contradictions we will develop the divine.

tl dr God is immanent and self-revealing. Only with the evolution of humanity we will come closer to the true form of the divine.
 
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theRetard said:
zeno's paradoxes are ruined by leibniz (just added pluralism to parmenides monism)
logic is something that exists independently from human brain in the first place, we just discovered.
A=A everywhere and independently
A=/=not A everywhere and independently
either truth or not = everywhere and independently
aristotle just formulated it, but logic as such has always existed
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Yeah I’ll come to this tomorrow, ttyl
 
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truecelcuck said:
I genuinely have no way to even rope.
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https://******************.net/forums/suicide-discussion.2/

you will find something u can do here if u really want to but everyone will think your a handicap
 
Dnr to everything sorry guys, let me just let jesus take the wheel he will save me
 
swt said:
again ? nigga reincarnated after first rope jfl
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I attempted before and got admitted to a mental hospital, the system is fucked bro. They put me in there with retards and people who have sexually assaulted others. But no I meant I was going to try again. Sorry for the confusion
 
tunisianropemaxxer said:
Helium gas is quick and painless
But dont kys because peoplenwill be sad
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Genuinely no has cared about me, I attempted a while back and people faked being sad, I overheard parents and family talking bad about me behind my back. But I cant do helium since my parents would notice me buying that.
 
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foidletslayer said:
It means a person is high inhib & cares too much for those around him, his claim is false due to its actuality
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How is my claim false? You dont think I have the balls to do it? I just need to get the right stuff, I am kind of a pussy so I need a painless death. Plus I don’t really care for anyone around me I hate everyone including my family, they talk behind everyone’s back including myself. The only thing I care about is my dog but that still wouldn’t stop me from roping.
 
theRetard said:
if he is all-knowing, does he know that he's all knowing? i assume that he does because he is all-knowing
so he knows that he's all knowing, then does he know that he knows that he's all-knowing? (up to infinite regress)
so all his knowledge will be infinetely about that he knows that he knows that he knows that he knows etc etc etc et cetera.
so his all knowledge is full with that shit, and it means that he doesn't know something
so your definition of god is incorrect, i'm sorry
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if a being is all knowing that knowledge includes the conscience of being all-Knowing
there is no regress here
 
truecelcuck said:
I honestly cant stand this shitty life, what’s even the reason to be alive? People keep saying the same thing, “You only have one life” or “Only retards rope” But genuinely my genetics ruined my future in life. 16 and barely 5’2 is genuinely rope fuel. Ill never have a partner in life. Foids are genuinely soulless creatures. But Im stuck living this miserable life, as my parents do anything to keep me alive, even though they fucking despise me. I genuinely have no way to even rope. I hate my fucking life.:lul:
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roping again? HAHAHHAAH HOW DO U ROPE TWICE :lul::lul::lul: did u not like ur second respawn point too?
 
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