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[Deleted member 231621]

if a being is all knowing that knowledge includes the conscience of being all-Knowing
there is no regress here

there is a regress, he needs to be conscious of conscious of being all-knowing and it's ad infinitum

i find the Aristotle's ideas of movement weird, too wanky at times. thats probably the one thing beside hard translations that holds me back from reading Metaphysics on no cooldown

it's not wanky. it's pure logic

 

[tomahawk]

there is a regress, he needs to be conscious of conscious of being all-knowing and it's ad infinitum

it's not wanky. it's pure logic
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youre missing something, since god is Infinitely capable that "infinite" regress will forever be lesser than God's conscience and power

 

[tomahawk]

there is a regress, he needs to be conscious of conscious of being all-knowing and it's ad infinitum

it's not wanky. it's pure logic
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this is a great proof of God

 

[Deleted member 231621]

youre missing something, since god is Infinitely capable that "infinite" regress will forever be lesser than God's conscience and power

it cannot be lesser because it's infinite, infinity is already something that's bigger than anything.
if gods knowledge is infinite, then this infinity is fully about how he's knowledgeable about his knowledge of knowledge etc.
so it's impossible for him to be all-knowing. i'd say he's a knowledge as such, pure actualization of knowledge

 

[tomahawk]

it cannot be lesser because it's infinite, infinity is already something that's bigger than anything.
if gods knowledge is infinite, then this infinity is fully about how he's knowledgeable about his knowledge of knowledge etc.
so it's impossible for him to be all-knowing. i'd say he's a knowledge as such, pure actualization of knowledge

some infinities are greater than others, sure the claim that the regress is uncountably infinite is viable but God will always be more Infinite than anything by definition

 

[tomahawk]

it cannot be lesser because it's infinite, infinity is already something that's bigger than anything.
if gods knowledge is infinite, then this infinity is fully about how he's knowledgeable about his knowledge of knowledge etc.
so it's impossible for him to be all-knowing. i'd say he's a knowledge as such, pure actualization of knowledge

youre basically calling God an algorithm, a program

 

[Deleted member 115673]

Fucking mom went to wake me up fo breakfast and caught me od’ing. Sorry man it was my first time

amateur

 

[Deleted member 231621]

some infinities are greater than others, sure the claim that the regress is uncountably infinite is viable but God will always be more Infinite than anything by definition

there can only be one infinite because it already infinitely includes other infinities. so god cannot be more infinite than infinity because infinity already includes god's infiniteness

youre basically calling God an algorithm, a program

kinda. it's like the universal good for every substance that exists

 

[tomahawk]

there can only be one infinite because it already infinitely includes other infinities. so god cannot be more infinite than infinity because infinity already includes god's infiniteness

kinda. it's like the universal good for every substance that exists

if God is greater than everything by definition his attributes are so too

 

[lucifer88]

You know what to do.

pessimistcel

 

[lucifer88]

youre missing something, since god is Infinitely capable that "infinite" regress will forever be lesser than God's conscience and power

low iq

 

[tomahawk]

godel barely changed something in logic, it's more applicable in science not metaphysics nor theology
and if we shouldn't use logic for god then he's illogical, if he's illogical then he cannot be an objective truth cuz truth is a thing that comes from logic

logic is lesser than God since God is the Creator of all and the Owner of all, He is above everything, He is not illogical He is above logic, and he may alter it to be anything

 

[Deleted member 231621]

if God is greater than everything by definition his attributes are so too

logic is lesser than God since God is the Creator of all and the Owner of all, He is above everything, He is not illogical He is above logic, and he may alter it to be anything

>he's not illogical
>he's above logic

>god created and own everything (so it's a logical statement)
>logic is lesser than god

?

 

[tomahawk]

>he's not illogical
>he's above logic

>god created and own everything (so it's a logical statement)
>logic is lesser than god

?

Youre unable to process that the way I express it does not affect how it is in reality
The fact that I use logic does not mean God is lesser than it in any way

 

[Deleted member 231621]

Youre unable to process that the way I express it does not affect how it is in reality
The fact that I use logic does not mean God is lesser than it in any way

if he's above logic then how are you able to say something about him?

 

[tomahawk]

if he's above logic then how are you able to say something about him?

If one is willing to use a phone it doesn't mean that they're lesser than them
Analogously to that if God wills to use logic as a system of thought and reason it doesn't mean He is lesser than it, He can change it anytime
And I can tell things about him since He sent us the message

 

[Deleted member 231621]

If one is willing to use a phone it doesn't mean that they're lesser than them
Analogously to that if God wills to use logic as a system of thought and reason it doesn't mean He is lesser than it, He can change it anytime
And I can tell things about him since He sent us the message

it's a false analogy though cuz logic and it's laws are fundamental things, god being above logic makes his own self incoherent and he doesn't exist (because existence is a logical thing)

 

[tomahawk]

it's a false analogy though cuz logic and it's laws are fundamental things, god being above logic makes his own self incoherent and he doesn't exist (because existence is a logical thing)

God predates logic as a fundamental understanding, it doesn't make Him incoherent but powerful

 

[tomahawk]

Something being fundamental does not change the context to extents enough to call it false

 

[Deleted member 231621]

God predates logic as a fundamental understanding, it doesn't make Him incoherent but powerful

can you explain it more in detail? otherwise it's an incoherent word salad

 

[Deleted member 231621]

Something being fundamental does not change the context to extents enough to call it false

do you know what the word fundamental means?

 

[tomahawk]

can you explain it more in detail? otherwise it's an incoherent word salad

God is rather more fundamental than logic, logic comes after God, and the analogy does not become false just because logic is fundamental - its still a system of our use
And I cannot understand how is existence necessarily logical, its just a fact

 

[fk732]

can you explain it more in detail? otherwise it's an incoherent word salad

What is the debate about ?

 

[tomahawk]

do you know what the word fundamental means?

Obviously, something that else is reliant on, "the holder"

 

[Deleted member 231621]

What is the debate about ?

he just says that god is illogical

 

[tomahawk]

What is the debate about ?

Is God conscious?

 

[tomahawk]

he just says that god is illogical

I'm not saying that, I'm saying that God is above logics

 

[tomahawk]

He is the Creator of logics and He is greater than it, He is powerful in a way that he isn't dependent on it

 

[Deleted member 231621]

God is rather more fundamental than logic, logic comes after God, and the analogy does not become false just because logic is fundamental - its still a system of our use
And I cannot understand how is existence necessarily logical, its just a fact

if god is more fundamental than logic, then the question still stands: how are you able to say something about him using logic if he is illogical?

I'm not saying that, I'm saying that God is above logics

what's the difference?

 

[Deleted member 231621]

He is the Creator of logics and He is greater than it, He is powerful in a way that he isn't dependent on it

creation is a logical thing as well

 

[tomahawk]

if god is more fundamental than logic, then the question still stands: how are you able to say something about him using logic if he is illogical?

what's the difference?

if god is more fundamental than logic, then the question still stands: how are you able to say something about him using logic if he is illogical?

what's the difference?

No that just means that he is not to be grasped fully by human logic

 

[tomahawk]

creation is a logical thing as well

If someone chooses to abide by something it doesn't mean it is lesser than it

 

[Deleted member 231621]

No that just means that he is not to be grasped fully by human logic

god being illogical (or how you claim, above logic) it's already a logical statement

 

[tomahawk]

god being illogical (or how you claim, above logic) it's already a logical statement

Its logical because its the only level I can explain it at, and being above logic IS NOT being illogical, I don't see reason for this debate since you can't come to understand

 

[Deleted member 231621]

Its logical because its the only level I can explain it at, and being above logic IS NOT being illogical, I don't see reason for this debate since you can't come to understand

if you can only explain it on logical level, and by your definition god is above logic (the same as illogical btw), you cannot explain your position properly since it's just incoherent

 

[tomahawk]

if you can only explain it on logical level, and by your definition god is above logic (the same as illogical btw), you cannot explain your position properly since it's just incoherent

Above logics doesn't equal illogical, and I can only explain it to an extent I can grasp, I won't be able to understand the entirety of God since that would include His endless knowledge

 

[Deleted member 231621]

Above logics doesn't equal illogical, and I can only explain it to an extent I can grasp, I won't be able to understand the entirety of God since that would include His endless knowledge

if god is illogical (how you claim, ABOVE logic) then you are not able to say something coherent about him, that's the reason, because reason as an ability to think uses logic by definition. so you cannot think about that god, just in the same way we cannot think about non-being, because non-being doesn't exist (except that it's a linguistic construct), so thought=being. and if you cannot think about something like your god except make linguistic construct of that, then it does not exist due to it's incoherence

 

[awok]

pessimistcel

Pessimism is good for you

 

[jeremyy]

I honestly cant stand this shitty life, what’s even the reason to be alive? People keep saying the same thing, “You only have one life” or “Only retards rope” But genuinely my genetics ruined my future in life. 16 and barely 5’2 is genuinely rope fuel. Ill never have a partner in life. Foids are genuinely soulless creatures. But Im stuck living this miserable life, as my parents do anything to keep me alive, even though they fucking despise me. I genuinely have no way to even rope. I hate my fucking life.

don’t rope
go ER

 

[cristaking8]

I honestly cant stand this shitty life, what’s even the reason to be alive? People keep saying the same thing, “You only have one life” or “Only retards rope” But genuinely my genetics ruined my future in life. 16 and barely 5’2 is genuinely rope fuel. Ill never have a partner in life. Foids are genuinely soulless creatures. But Im stuck living this miserable life, as my parents do anything to keep me alive, even though they fucking despise me. I genuinely have no way to even rope. I hate my fucking life.

What is your race tell me

 

[iblamemaxilla67]

Who cares go study and find what you truly love, then nothing else will matter
And seek God

Org probably isn't the best place to read the gospel ngl

 

[lucifer88]

Pessimism is good for you

I'm gonna fuck you

 

[iblamexyz]

I honestly cant stand this shitty life, what’s even the reason to be alive? People keep saying the same thing, “You only have one life” or “Only retards rope” But genuinely my genetics ruined my future in life. 16 and barely 5’2 is genuinely rope fuel. Ill never have a partner in life. Foids are genuinely soulless creatures. But Im stuck living this miserable life, as my parents do anything to keep me alive, even though they fucking despise me. I genuinely have no way to even rope. I hate my fucking life.

JFL this kid hasn't even finished puberty

 

[lowtiersubhuman]

I honestly cant stand this shitty life, what’s even the reason to be alive? People keep saying the same thing, “You only have one life” or “Only retards rope” But genuinely my genetics ruined my future in life. 16 and barely 5’2 is genuinely rope fuel. Ill never have a partner in life. Foids are genuinely soulless creatures. But Im stuck living this miserable life, as my parents do anything to keep me alive, even though they fucking despise me. I genuinely have no way to even rope. I hate my fucking life.

Don't blame girls

 

[tomahawk]

Org probably isn't the best place to read the gospel ngl

fuck the gospel trinitarians are idiots

 

[iblamemaxilla67]

fuck the gospel trinitarians are idiots

Thats what im sayin

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

Women aren’t souless they just follow their natural inclinations, unfortunately most men don’t fit the bill cus everybody is underdeveloped nowadays. They filter and select for the best genes to pass on, same across species.

Obv being someone with subpar genes is hell and being someone with great genes is heaven. That’s just nature, reward the healthy and punish the sick

 

[iblamemaxilla67]

Women aren’t souless they just follow their natural inclinations, unfortunately most men don’t fit the bill cus everybody is underdeveloped nowadays. They filter and select for the best genes to pass on, same across species. Obv being someone with subpar genes is hell and being someone with great genes is heaven. That’s just nature, reward the healthy and punish the sick

Exactly bruv