sAaR, cOlOnizAtiOn civilized us iNDiAns

[Moggie]

a better way to put it like this is
Mughals looted India out of its culture
Britain looted India out of its culture, wealth & identity.

Mughals contributed heavily to Indian culture, development of Urdu, art, poetry etc.

 

[JBcollector]

Haha curris are so pathetc

 

[ItsOVERBuddyBoyos]

a better way to put it like this is
Mughals looted India out of its culture
Britain looted India out of its culture, wealth & identity.

Only if you consider hindu culture as the only indian culture.

The mughals created the modern blended hindustani culture.
They spread the language and dress across all india even hindu led kindoms adopted many of these things similar to how english and western clothing styles dominate the globe today.

The mughals definitely led to the diminishing of traditional hindu culture because they now had to share the subcontinent with the newly formed indian muslim culture. Before this other groups had been very small minorities with only regional power at best. But both its hindu and muslim heritage are essential pillars for modern day india/pak/bangla

All people from the subcontinent are poorer by denying half of their cultural heritage.

 

[lonelycurry]

 

[ItsOVERBuddyBoyos]

Haha curris are so pathetc

1.8 billion and growing. Your future daughters and granddaughters will be getting piped down by a chadpreet soon enough.

 

[Moggie]

Gunpowder Empires imo when Islam peaked dunno why Morocco was not considered a gunpowder empire in this period, Sahel expedition wrecked Timbuktu.

 

[ItsOVERBuddyBoyos]

Gunpowder Empires imo when Islam peaked

Yeah these 3 empires were the peak

In general 670-1700 was all good for muslims apart from the mongols fucking everything up at one point. But india and egypt were the two muslim areas to fend them off successfully.

Once industrial revolution got going however they were left behind much like china.

 

[Moggie]

No way 1.8 billion people starved under british rule. This number was pulled put of your ass.

All the numbers are, no more famines under British rule than Mughal only modern medicine and diet has fixed it, could be argued native rule would have delt with 1900s famines better.

 

[sub5inchcel]

That's not how things work. if anything there would be the same or less amount of Indians today not more.

the Indians that died at that time were richer than the average European per capita.

Anglos didn't mog shit. Indian kings allied with them to fuck other kings that's how they got their entry into the subcontinent.
Most anglos were cowards.

true man mysore mogged them, only reason they took over was because support from nizam and martha

No way 1.8 billion people starved under british rule. This number was pulled put of your ass.

of course not

 

[Moggie]

Yeah these 3 empires were the peak

In general 670-1700 was all good for muslims apart from the mongols fucking everything up at one point. But india and egypt were the two muslim areas to fend them off successfully.

Once industrial revolution got going however they were left behind much like china.

Imagine if al-Andalus survived, decent portion of the Americas would be muslim, not all as I think people like alt Columbus would sail for England (England rejected him could have easily said yes).

 

[Moggie]

Why?

Largest muslim empire in history

 

[Moggie]

By 1911, the British Empire had a Muslim population of 94 million, larger than the empire's 58 million Christian population. By the 1920s, the British Empire included roughly half of the world's Muslim population.

 

[Moggie]

Isn't the region already quite famine prone because of the (over)reliance and unpredictability on the monsoon season? Modern fertilizer and preservation methods have helped india no doubt in keeping famines away. The British also did force farmers to grow cash crops rather than actual food which definetely worsened it, along with not really caring about the famines because it would be too expensive and it was seen as god fixing their overpopulation.

Yes they did believe it was Gods way, the view was popular for centuries it is called Malthusianism.

Thomas Malthus was an English economist and demographer best known for his theory that population growth will always tend to outrun the food supply and that betterment of humankind is impossible without strict limits on reproduction.

Malthusianism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[ItsOVERBuddyBoyos]

Imagine if al-Andalus survived, decent portion of the Americas would be muslim, not all as I think people like alt Columbus would sail for England (England rejected him could have easily said yes).

Lots of historical whatifs.
If tours hadnt happened southern france would have been lost to the muslims.
Constantinople repelling the arabs in the 8th century also protected the balkans and eastern europe at least untill the ottomans rolled in.

I mean if the mongols didn't have a retarded succession system they would have overrun eastern europe and kept expanding too.

 

[Moggie]

how has world muslim population 10X in 100 years

5x since 1900

 

[Moggie]

Lots of historical whatifs.
If tours hadnt happened southern france would have been lost to the muslims.
Constantinople repelling the arabs in the 8th century also protected the balkans and eastern europe at least untill the ottomans rolled in.

I mean if the mongols didn't have a retarded succession system they would have overrun eastern europe and kept expanding too.

Seen this video before, John was an absolute scrub worst king in English history. The mongol thing is debatable, there is that popular theory that the Adriatic was claimed to be the western ocean and then they buggered off completing their goal. Mongol conquest of Europe would have been very difficult and only possible like china which took decades not in one fell swoop like say Iran or Russia.

 

[Deleted member 20273]

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A man guards his family from the cannibals during the Madras famine of 1877 at the time of British Raj, India
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The capitalistic side which is hidden from masses. A family during the Great Madras famine of 1870, under the British rule, the Agriculture produce was exported outside India to better markets. By British estimates nearly 5.5 million people perished due to their actions and policies.
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Britain robbed India of $45 trillion between 1765 and 1938, however, it is estimated that if India had remained free with 24% of world GDP as in 1700 then its cumulative GDP would have been $232 trillion greater (1700-2003) and $44 trillion greater (1700-1950). Deprivation kills and it is estimated that 1.8 billion Indians died avoidably from egregious deprivation under the British (1757-1947). The deadly impact of the British occupation of India lingers today 71 years after Independence, with 4 million people dying avoidably from deprivation each year in capitalist India as compared to zero (0) in China.


A Lesson of what Civil unrest does to a country. Despite having thousands of ethnicities, hundreds of languages, and different religions. India is still growing faster than ever on its way to becoming a world and space superpower ending the American/Chinese hegemony.

The 21st century is the first & only century where India won't be a Superpower.

Spoiler: tagging bhais

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The 45 trillion is calculated by assuming an 7 percent interest rate on net exports out of the British Raj. Most retarded shit I've seen on the forum lol.

 

[Moggie]

India denying Muslim heritage just seems retarded to me. Makes sense when Pakistan is there rival but come on.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Lots of historical whatifs.
If tours hadnt happened southern france would have been lost to the muslims.
Constantinople repelling the arabs in the 8th century also protected the balkans and eastern europe at least untill the ottomans rolled in.

I mean if the mongols didn't have a retarded succession system they would have overrun eastern europe and kept expanding too.

The mongol thing wouldn't be possible, they were far to outstretched from their seat of power, the best they could do is make Hungary and Poland vassals like they did with Muscovy. And the mongols would never be able to conquer central and west europe cause the topography there was super unfavorable for their way of warfare + the extensive castle systems in the HRE (Poland and Hungary are flat lands ideal for mongol waring, and even then both of these countries learned from their first wars and build lots of castles and changed their army structure to include more crossbowmen and the mongols lost in the second invasion of Hungary cause of this)

 

[Moggie]

The mongol thing wouldn't be possible, they were far to outstretched from their seat of power, the best they could do is make Hungary and Poland vassals like they did with Muscovy. And the mongols would never be able to conquer central and west europe cause the topography there was super unfavorable for their way of warfare + the extensive castle systems in the HRE (Poland and Hungary are flat lands ideal for mongol waring, and even then both of these countries learned from their first wars and build lots of castles and changed their army structure to include more crossbowmen and the mongols lost in the second invasion of Hungary cause of this)

Also there was no need, most that could happen would be a Khanate based out of Hungary but this would have severely limited success due to being seperated from Eurasian steppe by the Carpathians, then again if Wallachia and Moldova can be kept this could be negated. They have no need to conquer Western Europe, it was not conquered for the same reason India was not conquered, they failed had reached a limit and were on an insane winning streak.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Real sad coz south Asia had all the resources back then to he a superpower these days- basically modern day Dubai but a whole Fkn continent

All Curry's blacks mulattos in UK now don't even realise that the British rule literally used our ancestors
They made my ancestors starve to death
Carribbeans they used as fucking slaves for decades upon decades

Yet none of us modern ethnics in UK are told about these heinous crimes
Makes me sad to be British when thinking about this
Imagine how weird you'd feel if you were mulatto too

Every black knows what the British did to them. Every curry knows what the British did to them only gooks don’t know. Your unique in this regard even Arabs know why a the Europeans did in the Middle East

 

[Magical Apple]

View attachment 1763799


A man guards his family from the cannibals during the Madras famine of 1877 at the time of British Raj, India
View attachment 1763802

The capitalistic side which is hidden from masses. A family during the Great Madras famine of 1870, under the British rule, the Agriculture produce was exported outside India to better markets. By British estimates nearly 5.5 million people perished due to their actions and policies.
View attachment 1763808

Britain robbed India of $45 trillion between 1765 and 1938, however, it is estimated that if India had remained free with 24% of world GDP as in 1700 then its cumulative GDP would have been $232 trillion greater (1700-2003) and $44 trillion greater (1700-1950). Deprivation kills and it is estimated that 1.8 billion Indians died avoidably from egregious deprivation under the British (1757-1947). The deadly impact of the British occupation of India lingers today 71 years after Independence, with 4 million people dying avoidably from deprivation each year in capitalist India as compared to zero (0) in China.


A Lesson of what Civil unrest does to a country. Despite having thousands of ethnicities, hundreds of languages, and different religions. India is still growing faster than ever on its way to becoming a world and space superpower ending the American/Chinese hegemony.

The 21st century is the first & only century where India won't be a Superpower.

Spoiler: tagging bhais

@LooksOrDeath @pashtun @Chadethnic101 @PapaGremlin @RabidRosaries @Chadpreetmaybe @sub5inchcel @pianoboy123 @Lihito @reptiles @MewMaxxing @PrinterAndFaxMachin @CFW432 @David Rothschild @Bhupal57 @Xangsane @justinzayn @enchanted_elixir @JamesHowlett @Chinacurry @Chadeep @currylightskin @thereallegend @Crusile @11gaijin @PubertyMaxxer @volcelfatcel @ItsOVERBuddyBoyos @FETTY1738 @Solar @earthwindandfire @ScoobyCurry420 @ForeverRecession @VedicAryan33 @jaw_is_law @ScoobyCurry420 @Nameless_Sunflower @Dystopian @Biiyo03 @Predeterminism

India a superpower

@Collagen or rope Get a load of this clown

 

[Moggie]

Every black knows what the British did to them. Every curry knows what the British did to them only gooks don’t know. Your unique in this regard even Arabs know why a the Europeans did in the Middle East

France ruled more of Sub-saharan africa than Britain and the Portuguese took 10 times more sub saharan slaves than Britain. Though what Britain did in the Caribbean was bad, death rate was terrible.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Countries in the gutter in the 20th Century that developed Turkey, China, Japan, Spain, Taiwan, Singapore, South Korea, Romania (jfl)

Which countries achieved economic growth? And why does it matter?

Some countries have grown a lot, while others remained poor. We look at how incomes have changed around the world and why it matters.

ourworldindata.org

China is basically a Homogenous nation with Han on top. India is diverse

China wasn’t fully colonised onyl
Hong Kong and some other small ports were. All of Curryland was cucked

China surrounded by rich nations to help influence it. India surrounded by piss poor nations to not help it improve.

China one main religion. India multiple and Hindu vs Muslim issue still seen today

South Asia is poorer because of these factors

That's the reason why most Indians are skinny fat today because the ones that had the muscular genes mostly died. That's why it's said that during an outbreak or a nuclear war Indians are most likely to survive due to skinny fat genetics.

Africans are even more hungry and yet they have better bodies. When will this cope stop? Curries jsut have shit tier body gentics african blacks are starving more than them and yet have mogger proportions when we’ll fed. They even grow taller despite being the poorest fucks on the PLANET.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

France ruled more of Sub-saharan africa than Britain and the Portuguese took 10 times more sub saharan slaves than Britain. Though what Britain did in the Caribbean was bad, death rate was terrible.

No Britian actually ruled more (populated) land in africa than France a simple google search will tell you this. France owned huge swathes of uninhabited sparsely populated desert

The rest of what you said doesn’t apply to my comment stay on topic, I said blacks curries Arabs all know what Europe did to their land and still bitch about it today.

 

[Moggie]

No Britian actually ruled more (populated) land in africa than France a simple google search will tell you this. France owned huge swathes of uninhabited sparsely populated desert

Egypt and Sudan are not sub saharan africa, Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda etc are east africa, we are talking about west africa here, france ruled more of west africa which is where slaves and colonial exploitation in africa was the worst. Rest of what I said is relevant to Africans Britain is not the only enemy or european nation with a colonial history in Africa.

 

[Moggie]

Look into French rule in Haiti and French treatment of west africans

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Egypt and Sudan are not sub saharan africa, Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda etc are east africa, we are talking about west africa here, france ruled more of west africa which is where slaves and colonial exploitation in africa was the worst. Rest of what I said is relevant to Africans Britain is not the only enemy or european nation with a colonial history in Africa.

I updated my comment reread it. Your comment doesn’t even combat or relate to my original comment. Most west African slaves didn’t come from the Sahel they ironically came from places Britian owned (Nigeria) and even then slavery had ended before colonialism era so it wasn’t like they had a pick of slaves form their FUTURE colonies @ the time

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Look into French rule in Haiti and French treatment of west africans

Once again how does this or anything you said relate to my comment? This is knowledge ethnics already know an you haven’t disproved it or even argued against it your just rambling about random shit

Every black knows what the British did to them. Every curry knows what the British did to them only gooks don’t know. Your unique in this regard even Arabs know why a the Europeans did in the Middle East

 

[Moggie]

I updated my comment reread it. Your comment doesn’t even combat or relate to my original comment. Most west African slaves didn’t come from the Sahel they ironically came from places Britian owned and even then slavery had ended by colonialism era so it wasn’t like they had a pick of slaves form their FUTURE colonies @ the time

Majority of slaves went to Brazil and the Carribean, came from Portuguese Angola, Mozambique and Guinea, the kingdom of the Kongo and the independent Benin.

Yes your original comment on China compared to India, yes it is more homogenous and does not have the same colonial history as India but the Second world war was brutal on China and it could still develop, numerous other homogenous countries could not replicate this rate of growth so what made China special, its resources and size yet India has these two advantages aswell but got bogged down in its scope. China also had connections to Japan which greatly helped development this is true. However you cannot argue that India severly underperformed since independence.

 

[Moggie]

Once again how does this or anything you said relate to my comment? This is knowledge ethnics already know an you haven’t disproved it or even argued against it your just rambling about random shit

The point is the British are not unique here several other europeans exploited, if the British failed in India it would have been France who would have done the same. Simple shit.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

The point is the British are not unique here several other europeans exploited, if the British failed in India it would have been France who would have done the same. Simple shit.

Yeah I know, I never said Britian was unique in this regard they were jsut the most successful and honestly they left their colonies in the best state. France still has a neo empire to this day, Belgium made their colonies have civil wars, Portugal and Spain ruined LATAM dooming it to poverty.

Majority of slaves went to Brazil and the Carribean, came from Portuguese Angola, Mozambique and Guinea, the kingdom of the Kongo and the independent Benin.

Yes your original comment on China compared to India, yes it is more homogenous and does not have the same colonial history as India but the Second world war was brutal on China and it could still develop, numerous other homogenous countries could not replicate this rate of growth so what made China special, its resources and size yet India has these two advantages aswell but got bogged down in its scope. China also had connections to Japan which greatly helped development this is true. However you cannot argue that India severly underperformed since independence.

India has severely underperformed esp with their hinduva culture they all share. Still though China had it essier to advance india did not is the point I was making. As for slave trade you was mentioning west Africans so I mentioned them and whislt Portugal did import the most slaves Britian imported more than france and Belgium. Colonialism in africa wasn’t a thing back then either so France Britian Portugal had ports in the same nations on equal footing.

 

[ballskin]

China recovering from a hit while India just got out of the coma.

Tens of millions in China were killed from starvation, their country was destroyed and millions killed from the Japanese and all their intellectuals were tortured and killed in purges. Compare this to India which faced no hardship and the British were kind enough to let them study in London etc

 

[Chadpreetmaybe]

Stop the cap. There is no great past. You dumbassss got raped by a million different armies.

A Pakistani mulla who is slave to china and usa will definitely say this you fuckers are a toy for us, we test our missiles and weapons in your country and you are able to do jackshit, keep crying for your father nation

 

[Chadpreetmaybe]

India denying Muslim heritage just seems retarded to me. Makes sense when Pakistan is there rival but come on.

Most muslims were hindus back then, they converted due to fear of getting killed, i have lots of Muslim friends who admit this that their ancestory shows traces of being hindu but they can't admit it openly because it will be a threat for them

 

[Bvnny.]

This whole indian supremacy thing of yours is cringe af tbh you manage to, somehow, be even cringier than sfcels like @Predeterminism

 

[Chadethnic101]

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Every black knows what the British did to them. Every curry knows what the British did to them only gooks don’t know. Your unique in this regard even Arabs know why a the Europeans did in the Middle East

If our ancestors were never colonised we'd probably living good lives in our respective continents ngl

 

[Deleted member 17311]

Indians are superior to anglos tbh. They just got lucky

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

I

If our ancestors were never colonised we'd probably living good lives in our respective continents ngl

I agree,. The greatest sun whites ever did was globalise the planet without genocide h all non whites. This world could not be global with multiple races as one will be on top, instead whites should have left all ethnics alone but they didn’t do they should have killed all of ethnics instead

 

[ItsOVERBuddyBoyos]

Most muslims were hindus back then, they converted due to fear of getting killed, i have lots of Muslim friends who admit this that their ancestory shows traces of being hindu but they can't admit it openly because it will be a threat for them

No bro, conversion to islam is generally discouraged because it means you can tax non-muslims more such as jizya. Goverments care only about their bottom line.
If they wanted to convert people on mass they were in control for centuries and could have done so. The fact the almost all of india is still hindu even in places like uttar pradesh which were deep under muslim control for a long long time proves this.

In southern states they were mainly ruled by hindus for most of history so there was no fear of being killed since muslims didnt rule them yet you still have plenty of converts in the south too.

 

[.🇹🇩.]

This whole indian supremacy thing of yours is cringe af tbh you manage to, somehow, be even cringier than sfcels like @Predeterminism

I know it's cringe but it's true.

 

[Moggie]

No bro, conversion to islam is generally discouraged because it means you can tax non-muslims more such as jizya. Goverments care only about their bottom line.
If they wanted to convert people on mass they were in control for centuries and could have done so. The fact the almost all of india is still hindu even in places like uttar pradesh which were deep under muslim control for a long long time proves this.

In southern states they were mainly ruled by hindus for most of history so there was no fear of being killed since muslims didnt rule them yet you still have plenty of converts in the south too.

This is both true and false, for instance how in the Ottoman Empire the majority of Bosnians and Albanians converted to islam but other peoples such as the Greeks not converting. It was not uncommon for the Islamic empires to rely on non Muslims to form some sort of elite guard like the janissaries for example. Some regions had pressure to convert to Islam and others to retain their original faith with jizya only being a factor early on in Islams spread when the Umayyad's were creaming it with the money they could make, didn't they even charge jizya to the first gen of converts aswell?

Albanians in large numbers converted to Islam, often to escape higher taxes levied on Christian subjects. (Jizya) So muslim nations could not decline the offer of conversion.

In the later Ottoman period, Bosnia attracted Muslim refugees from lands that were reconquered by Christian powers (mainly Croatia, Hungary and Slovenia). Some converted to Islam as a way to escape the devşirme tribute (whereby the son of Christian family would be taken for military service). (escaping military service so janissary commitment).

Uneven conversion shown in 1900 Ottoman Empire Balkan demography map.

 

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[Deleted member 20679]

1.8 billion and growing. Your future daughters and granddaughters will be getting piped down by a chadpreet soon enough.

1.8 billion subhumans breeding in their shithole. Pajeets are the laughing stock of the planet.