SARMS with pct is it risky? [16)

[Azie555]

Wdym? Just do 5 iu for 20 weeks.

oh okay got it. Daily right?

 

[Copercel]

oh okay got it. Daily right?

Yes

 

[Remeliawpckhardt]

its giving gay works at a startup in LA type and wears tight jeans with those black slip on shoes with wide frame glasses vibes never say that shit again

You speaking from personal experience?

 

[Azie555]

Yes

hey man i also like to ask you what do you think about overdosing d3k2?

 

[bloodymanor]

so peptides are more safe?

Way safer, way better

 

[bloodymanor]

which peptide do you recommend me? My main goal is gaining weight and gaining muscle mass, i want a unrisky way to go tho.

cjc+ipam

 

[bloodymanor]

i want fast results

U may try Mk677, it will make u hangry as dog

 

[Copercel]

hey man i also like to ask you what do you think about overdosing d3k2?

Overdosing is always bad.

 

[Copercel]

U may try Mk677, it will make u hangry as dog

And will give you diabetes a bloated face.

 

[bloodymanor]

And will give you diabetes a bloated face.

im so tired of hearing people say it will give diabetes
No one ever got it from taking it

 

[bloodymanor]

im so tired of hearing people say it will give diabetes
No one ever got it from taking it

there’s basically zero solid evidence of that happening in healthy users

 

[Copercel]

im so tired of hearing people say it will give diabetes
No one ever got it from taking it

https://pedreport.com/peptides/mk-677/ibutamoren-everything-you-need-to-know

Also, a lot of people are reporting the did get diabetes from it.

 

[Azie555]

Overdosing is always bad.

10k iu is bad?

 

[Copercel]

10k iu is bad?

No

 

[widdi]

@widdi i also would wanna hear your opinion on this too.

There may be interaction effects between HGH and Ghk that make it a non 1 to 1 comparison. You’d have to look into whether people have actually taken both together in a clinical setting. Also the igf 1 reduction and increase would probably not be completely uniform. So there may be places in your body where GHK Cu has a larger effect and HGH is not enough to swamp the negatives.

 

[bloodymanor]

https://pedreport.com/peptides/mk-677/ibutamoren-everything-you-need-to-know

Also, a lot of people are reporting the did get diabetes from it.

temporary insulin resistance is not the same as getting type 2 diabetes. mk mimics ghrelin that’s why you get blood sugar elevation , and that obv doesn’t equal permanent damage unless you’re already metabolically wrecked
Also, can you show me a single peer-reviewed study where healthy people got actual diabetes from mk?

 

[Azie555]

So there may be places in your body where GHK Cu has a larger effect and HGH is not enough to swamp the negatives.

ur talking about igf here right?

 

[widdi]

ur talking about igf here right?

Ye

 

[Azie555]

Ye

oh so i cant know for sure if ghk and hgh s combine would uniform since ghk might affect other parts of the body about igf right?

 

[widdi]

oh so i cant know for sure if ghk and hgh s combine would uniform since ghk might affect other parts of the body about igf right?

Yes that’s my theory

 

[Copercel]

temporary insulin resistance is not the same as getting type 2 diabetes. mk mimics ghrelin that’s why you get blood sugar elevation , and that obv doesn’t equal permanent damage unless you’re already metabolically wrecked

You’re misunderstanding what the study is saying bud.
It doesn’t deny the risk of diabetes, it literally outlines how MK can induce the conditions that lead to it.

“MK-677 may cause insulin resistance over time by elevating GH and IGF-1 levels.”

Also I can seee you didn’t read the article or you didn’t read it properly at least,

Chronically elevated GH and IGF-1 = chronically impaired insulin sensitivity.

Also, can you show me a single peer-reviewed study where healthy people got actual diabetes from mk?

if you would read the study, you would see that it’s already there.

But since you asked for it:

“Chronic use of MK-677 has been shown to cause increases in fasting blood glucose and insulin, even in healthy individuals”

Also It cites clinical trials demonstrating that healthy adult subjects experienced increased fasting glucose and insulin after MK use.



Also read this to understand it better:

Spoiler: Study

Stimulation of the growth hormone (GH)-insulin-like growth factor I axis by daily oral administration of a GH secretogogue (MK-677) in healthy elderly subjects

Abstract. Aging is associated with declining activity of the GH axis, possibly contributing to adverse body composition changes and increased incidence of

academic.oup.com

 

[Will_381231]

man up and pick up the needle nigga. why would you want to suppress yourself while you're still developing for some temporary, shitty gains

 

[Azie555]

You’re misunderstanding what the study is saying bud.
It doesn’t deny the risk of diabetes, it literally outlines how MK can induce the conditions that lead to it.

Also I can seee you didn’t read the article or you didn’t read it properly at least,

Chronically elevated GH and IGF-1 = chronically impaired insulin sensitivity.


if you would read the study, you would see that it’s already there.

But since you asked for it:


Also It cites clinical trials demonstrating that healthy adult subjects experienced increased fasting glucose and insulin after MK use.



Also read this to understand it better:

Spoiler: Study

Stimulation of the growth hormone (GH)-insulin-like growth factor I axis by daily oral administration of a GH secretogogue (MK-677) in healthy elderly subjects

Abstract. Aging is associated with declining activity of the GH axis, possibly contributing to adverse body composition changes and increased incidence of

academic.oup.com

yo bro i have a question have u been on hgh yet?

 

[Azie555]

No, it won’t.

?

 

[Copercel]

?

At 5iu it won’t happen, at least not noticeable changes.

 

[Azie555]

At 5iu it won’t happen, at least not noticeable changes.

also can i do like at first i start with like 4 iu and then if i feel like it can i increase it to 5 iu?

 

[Sujumh]

At 5iu it won’t happen, at least not noticeable changes.

ay boyo what do u think ab rad 140 for 2 months then enclo as pct later at 16 years of age ? js for gains tbh

 

[Copercel]

ay boyo what do u think ab rad 140 for 2 months then enclo as pct later at 16 years of age ? js for gains tbh

Shit.
If you’re looking for SARMs, then only do the injected ones.

 

[Copercel]

also can i do like at first i start with like 4 iu and then if i feel like it can i increase it to 5 iu?

Yeah, but I see no reason to do that.

 

[Sujumh]

Shit.
If you’re looking for SARMs, then only do the injected ones.

sucks tbh i wanted to inject but i cannot inject anyth js oral any oral cycles or should i js wait till i can inject ?

 

[Azie555]

Yeah, but I see no reason to do that.

should i buy thyroid support with hgh?

 

[Azie555]

Yeah, but I see no reason to do that.

i also need a bg blood glucose test machine right? Is that a must?

 

[Copercel]

should i buy thyroid support with hgh?

You can, it’s not necessary.

i also need a bg blood glucose test machine right? Is that a must?

Not a must. But you can.

 

[Copercel]

sucks tbh i wanted to inject but i cannot inject anyth js oral any oral cycles or should i js wait till i can inject ?

Oral steroids are not bad. But oral SARMs are shit.

 

[Azie555]

You can, it’s not necessary.

Not a must. But you can.

hgh is too expensive i dont think i can afford a machine with it

 

[Copercel]

hgh is too expensive i dont think i can afford a machine with it

Hgh shouldn’t be that expensive.same for the machine.

 

[Azie555]

Hgh shouldn’t be that expensive.same for the machine.

hgh cost like 200 usd and i didnt even look at the machine

 

[Azie555]

hgh cost like 200 usd and i didnt even look at the machine

100iu

 

[bloodymanor]

?

everything grows proportionally to the body (including dih)

He’s most likely saying that abt super high doses.
basically, when ur growth plates aren’t closed in ur ears or nose - and u over dosing hgh

 

[bloodymanor]

ay boyo what do u think ab rad 140 for 2 months then enclo as pct later at 16 years of age ? js for gains tbh

pal, at16, you shouldn’t take anything like that, aside from peptides.
Peptides are the best

 

[bloodymanor]

hgh cost like 200 usd and i didnt even look at the machine

Pal, do some research on cjc-1295 and ipamorelin.( may also do on GHRP-6)

Not that expensive as HGH or IGF-1.
Classic stack cjc+ipam or cjc+GHRP-6

 

[Copercel]

yo bro i have a question have u been on hgh yet?

I’m on HGH now.

pal, at16, you shouldn’t take anything like that, aside from peptides.
Peptides are the best

why are you glazing peptides so hard? You can’t ascend only with peptides.

 

[Azie555]

I’m on HGH now.

why are you glazing peptides so hard? You can’t ascend only with peptides.

i was on a call with a coach that sells hgh and other peptides just now i said my main goal was gaining weight and muscles and he said stuff like mk677 are more affective and when i told him about natural test production stopping he said its just a 2 month stage it goes back up to normal after 2 months

 

[Copercel]

i was on a call with a coach that sells hgh and other peptides just now i said my main goal was gaining weight and muscles and he said stuff like mk677 are more affective and when i told him about natural test production stopping he said its just a 2 month stage it goes back up to normal after 2 months

HGH goes back to natural production faster than with Mk.

No reason to use Mk when you have HGH.

 

[Azie555]

HGH goes back to natural production faster than with Mk.

No reason to use Mk when you have HGH.

i think he said it because mk is cheaper then hgh or mk is better for muscle gaining? or maybe less side affects? idk

 

[Copercel]

i think he said it because mk is cheaper then hgh or mk is better for muscle gaining? or maybe less side affects? idk

Cheaper? Yeah.
Better for muscle gaining? Depends.
Less dies effects? Never.

 

[Azie555]

Cheaper? Yeah.
Better for muscle gaining? Depends.
Less dies effects? Never.

what were the reasons you didnt suggest taking mk677 and rad140?

 

[Copercel]

what were the reasons you didnt suggest taking mk677 and rad140?

Mk is just useless when you have HGH.

And rad140 is fucking shit, the worst compound ever. It will only give you downsides.

 

[Azie555]

Mk is just useless when you have HGH.

And rad140 is fucking shit, the worst compound ever. It will only give you downsides.

what are the downsides of rad140?

 

[Azie555]

HGH goes back to natural production faster than with Mk.

No reason to use Mk when you have HGH.

for how long hgh stops natural production?