Scalp advancement surgery (Forehead Lowering)

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People usually say scalp advancement isn't good for men bcuz when you bald it'll look stupid.

With scalp reduction you'll keep your original density but move the whole scalp downards and if you get a transplant on top of that its just like a normal hair transplant in the sense that if you bald it'll be behind the transplanted hairs anway.

The results are also much more natural than transplants as you're only left with minor scars instead of slightly fake looking grafts.

This is extreme example but i'd like you guys opinions.

@oldslapcel @enchanted_elixir

 

[enchanted_elixir]

People usually say scalp advancement isn't good for men bcuz when you bald it'll look stupid.

With scalp reduction you'll keep your original density but move the whole scalp downards and if you get a transplant on top of that its just like a normal hair transplant in the sense that if you bald it'll be behind the transplanted hairs anway.

The results are also much more natural than transplants as you're only left with minor scars instead of slightly fake looking grafts.
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This is extreme example but i'd like you guys opinions.



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@oldslapcel @enchanted_elixir

But when you go bald, everyone will be able to see...

 

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But when you go bald, everyone will be able to see...

Assuming you won't shave your head fully with a razor, you would look worse with getting a hair transplant and running out of grafts.

If you get scalp reduction you'll save 2-3000 grafts that can then be implanted if you notice hairloss in the future. The transplanted hairs don't fall off like normal hairs do meaning they'll still be there if your hairline receeds behind them which would look much worse than having a scar.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Assuming you won't shave your head fully with a razor, you would look worse with getting a hair transplant and running out of grafts.

If you get scalp reduction you'll save 2-3000 grafts that can then be implanted if you notice hairloss in the future. The transplanted hairs don't fall off like normal hairs do meaning they'll still be there if your hairline receeds behind them which would look much worse than having a scar.

So overall, scalp reduction?

 

[Deleted]

So overall, scalp reduction?

I'm much less knowledgeable about it which is why its exciting to research.

Cons and pros (please enlighten me if I'm wrong on any of these.

Hair transplant to lower forehead:
Pros:
Can get any hairline design (This is a must if reseeding)
No scar
Can get temples and crown transplanted

Cons:
More expensive
Long recovery (9-12 months for full results, Double that time if getting 2 transplants)
Unnatural results if only getting one transplant (Hairline density will be low)
Can't lower too much as it would cost too many grafts which could be needed in future.

Scalp advancement to lower forehead:
Pros:
Instead results (Although the scar can take up to a couple of months to mostly fade, the results are still basically instant)
Cheaper
Higher density (than can ever be achieved with a transplant, assuming you're not thinning)
More natural looking
Save grafts in case of future recession

Cons:
Scar on your forehead
Can't get any design that you want (they can somewhat play with the overall shape but you cant for example get rid of a widows peak)
How much you can lower will depend on scalp elasticity

To my knowledge it seems scalp advancement is a much better option if you're ready to be on fin and don't have receded temples. I'm going to start researching doctors tomorrow and hopefully book an appointment.

This exact result should be achievable as its just moving my skin down and keeping the hairs.

 

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This has me really excited Bcuz all the negatives are prominent in some form in a hair transplant aswell.

 

[Moggie]

How much does it cost?

 

[enchanted_elixir]

This has me really excited Bcuz all the negatives are prominent in some form in a hair transplant aswell.

If I can get the scars permanently hidden, I will be fine.
Or else, I will have to get a hair transplant. I can't afford to have visible scars when I lose even an inch of hair.
Any recommendations?

 

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If I can get the scars permanently hidden, I will be fine.
Or else, I will have to get a hair transplant. I can't afford to have visible scars when I lose even an inch of hair.
Any recommendations?

Well the thing is if we take a scenario where you bald for both.

If you had a hairtransplant and are now balding behind it you’ll have an very unnatural looking recession as the first 0.5 centimer of transplanted hair wont fall off but all hair behind it Will.

On the other hand If you move the scalp you’ll have a small scar visable similar to the transplanted hairs marking where your hairline is supposed to be.

For BOTH These scenarios you’ll need to get a hairtransplant to fix the area behind the transplant/scar. But If you got the reduction you’ll have much more grafts still left that you can use to fix that future balding

 

[Deleted member 18694]

You do realize increasing scalp tension with the scalp becoming more tight reduces blood flow for the hair follicles. Don't do this. It can lead to further hairloss in the future.

 

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How much does it cost?

If you go to a place like turkey its abt 2k (transplants are 2-3k average surgeon and up to 5k for a skilled one)

and in usa its 6-9k (transplants in USA are 10-25k)

 

[Deleted]

You do realize increasing scalp tension with the scalp becoming more tight reduces blood flow for the hair follicles. Don't do this. It can lead to further hairloss in the future.

Thats why you need high scalp elasticity and you can even get a scalp stretcher type thing If its low.

 

[Moggie]

If you go to a place like turkey its abt 2k (transplants are 2-3k average surgeon and up to 5k for a skilled one)

and in usa its 6-9k (transplants in USA are 10-25k)

Nah the scalp lowering.

 

[Deleted]

Nah the scalp lowering.

The first prices are for that.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

when you get a transplant on top then you might as well get a transplant only when you need this little advancement

 

[Moggie]

Thats why you need high scalp elasticity and you can even get a scalp stretcher type thing If its low.

 

[LightSkinNoob]

I always thought my hairline was fine, apparently not (new insecurity unlocked thanks to .org) I’ll do this in turkey in a couple years for sure.

 

[Deleted]

when you get a transplant on top then you might as well get a transplant only when you need this little advancement

Transplants have death tier density most of the time.

The difference is that this looks much more natural Than even the best transplants on the perfect candidates.

This is 9 month post op for the average person with only 1 transplant (ideally you’d get 2 but thats 2 years of recovery)

 

[Deleted]

when you get a transplant on top then you might as well get a transplant only when you need this little advancement

Also transplants cant lower nearly as much as a reduction.

 

[Deleted]

He’d be a good candidate yes

 

[Moggie]

He’d be a good candidate yes

Does he even need one he is in his 50s lmao

 

[Deleted]

Does he even need one he is in his 50s lmao

I meant he has good elasticity and could lower it. Some people cant Bcuz their skin is too tight.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

Transplants have death tier density most of the time.

The difference is that this looks much more natural Than even the best transplants on the perfect candidates.

This is 9 month post op for the average person with only 1 transplant (ideally you’d get 2 but thats 2 years of recovery)
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that's kinda the thing. i've seen awesome 100 % natural looking results after just one session while others look meh. if we assume you'd get good density then doing the scalp advancement thing isn't worth it imo. but yeah i think if you properly cover the scar then it's legit and doable.

 

[Deleted]

that's kinda the thing. i've seen awesome 100 % natural looking results after just one session while others look meh. if we assume you'd get good density then doing the scalp advancement thing isn't worth it imo. but yeah i think if you properly cover the scar then it's legit and doable.

Main thing for me is avoiding the recovery time as i dont want to waste a whole year of my youth when an option with higher density is avalible.

If i do start to go bald in the future then this is also better as i’ll have more grafts left to fix the baldness and less ”wasted” on lowering hairline.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

Main thing for me is avoiding the recovery time as i dont want to waste a whole year of my youth when an option with higher density is avalible.

If i do start to go bald in the future then this is also better as i’ll have more grafts left to fix the baldness and less ”wasted” on lowering hairline.

the scar from the scalp advancement is definitely also visible though until the grafts come through to cover it.

 

[Deleted]

the scar from the scalp advancement is definitely also visible though until the grafts come through to cover it.

Yes ofc but when recovering from a transplant you’re always going go look subhuman untill the 6 months mark.

If you saw my earlier post of pros and Cons i think that If not receeding the way to go is scalp reduction most of the time.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

Yes ofc but when recovering from a transplant you’re always going go look subhuman untill the 6 months mark.

If you saw my earlier post of pros and Cons i think that If not receeding the way to go is scalp reduction most of the time.

idk man just looked at scalp advancement results on youtube and some look better than others in terms of scarring. scarring and hair density are really the key factors for both respectively. ultimately you're gonna need a few months for full recovery with both options in the best case scenario.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

You do realize increasing scalp tension with the scalp becoming more tight reduces blood flow for the hair follicles. Don't do this. It can lead to further hairloss in the future.

@ArvidGustavsson
Now I am very conflicted. Increasing my rate and probability of balding?!
I'll probably stick with a hair transplant. I am not highly positioned for balding anyways

 

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@ArvidGustavsson
Now I am very conflicted. Increasing my rate and probability of balding?!
I'll probably stick with a hair transplant. I am not highly positioned for balding anyways

Its cope. Fut transplants does the exact same thing just on a different part of the scalp, it doesnt Cause balding.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Its cope. Fut transplants does the exact same thing just on a different part of the scalp, it doesnt Cause balding.

Will consider.

 

[Deleted member 18694]

@ArvidGustavsson
Now I am very conflicted. Increasing my rate and probability of balding?!
I'll probably stick with a hair transplant. I am not highly positioned for balding anyways

I would only personally consider a hair transplant if I have chemically damaged the hair root which means permanent hair loss

You most likely already know this but if you suffer from MPB your hair follicles are dormant in the scalp. Now here is something you won't agree with but it is 100% possible to lower your hairline naturally even to places where you never had "hair" before.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

@ArvidGustavsson brutal

Forehead reduction surgery scar progress and hair loss? (Photo)

I had a forhead reduction surgery one month ago(28 days). However, compare to other reviews I see me scar is too big, it expanded when they took the stiche...

www.realself.com

 

[Deleted]

Now here is something you won't agree with but it is 100% possible to lower your hairline naturally even to places where you never had "hair" before.

You cant grow hair where there arent any follicles.

 

[Deleted member 18694]

You cant grow hair where there arent any follicles.

Yes you can. We've been over this before

 

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@ArvidGustavsson brutal

Forehead reduction surgery scar progress and hair loss? (Photo)

I had a forhead reduction surgery one month ago(28 days). However, compare to other reviews I see me scar is too big, it expanded when they took the stiche...

www.realself.com

Yes i’ve seen that. Its a cheerypicked example of a Guy who experienced hairloss after the surgery.

He is an outlier but that scar is also only a month post op and wont look like that down the line.

Its much easier to cover the scar during recovery Than it is to cover grafts.

 

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Yes you can. We've been over this before


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Thats going to be death tier density jfl. Also thats not new follicles If anything its regrowth of his juveline hairline.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

Yes i’ve seen that. Its a cheerypicked example of a Guy who experienced hairloss after the surgery.

He is an outlier but that scar is also only a month post op and wont look like that down the line.

Its much easier to cover the scar during recovery Than it is to cover grafts.

gotta be careful

 

[andy9432]

Ive had success with oral minoxidil, for ur issue (temples) didnt use it for hair gains, wanted a thicker beard, but the temple changes were very noticeable after 6 months, now 9 months after i started treatment and im very happy.

 

[Deleted member 18694]

Thats going to be death tier density jfl. Also thats not new follicles If anything its regrowth of his juveline hairline.

Nah you are just not trying to see that it is possible to grow hair on the forehead.



The photo shows he's started to cause growth on his forehead as well as his hairline.... He never had hair there prior to treatment.

There are hair follicles even dormant on the forehead that do not get activated.


here's another photo literally on the forehead. The forehead wrinkle is where hair is never suppose to be attempting to grow.

 

[Deleted]

Nah you are just not trying to see that it is possible to grow hair on the forehead.



The photo shows he's started to cause growth on his forehead as well as his hairline.... He never had hair there prior to treatment.

There are hair follicles even dormant on the forehead that do not get activated.


here's another photo literally on the forehead

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If those hairs where to actually get long it would look comically low density

 

[Deleted member 18694]

If those hairs where to actually get long it would look comically low density

You get my point right? The main purpose of those photos I was showing was to let you know that hair can grow on the forehead and to give you a bigger picture that hair can be retrieved around the temple area even if you were born with a mature hairline.

It just means those hair follicles are dormant and miniaturized. that's all.


The guy used anti androgens to cause this

 

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The guy used anti androgens to cause this

@xefo

 

[Deleted]

gotta be careful

Ofc. His example is extreme though and he probably got it Done for 1k in some shithole.

This is what a proper cut but bad placement looks like:

They obviously shoul’ve lowered a part higher on the hairline but they didnt and at first glance it looks shit. But after it heals the scar is barely noticeable even If you know its there

 

[Deleted member 18694]

@xefo

Everything I said was correct. Your statement was demonstrably false So why laugh when I just showed physical proof as an example ?

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

Ofc. His example is extreme though and he probably got it Done for 1k in some shithole.

This is what a proper cut but bad placement looks like:
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They obviously shoul’ve lowered a part higher on the hairline but they didnt and at first glance it looks shit. But after it heals the scar is barely noticeable even If you know its there
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just saying if you end up like that guy then you're kinda fucked moreso than having meh density which can be fixed easily

 

[Deleted member 4430]

jfl at your mental gymnastic

meanwhile chad with NW2

 

[Deleted]

just saying if you end up like that guy then you're kinda fucked moreso than having meh density which can be fixed easily

The difference is If i’m fucked and receed past my barely visable scar i’ll get a hair transplant shortly after.

If i get a hair transplant that turns out to be shit density which is the case 99% of the time when lowering i’ll have to live as an incel for 12 months more after already waiting 12 months to recover from the first surgery.

Thats 2 years of my prime being FULLY incel and looking like a freak No matter what.

With the lowering you might have a disgusting scar for 2 months untill its mostly faded but you only need to fringe 0.5cm to completely hide it during that time.

This is 5 week post op scar and already looks more natural than any one session hair transplant you’ll find

 

[Deleted]

jfl at your mental gymnastic

meanwhile chad with NW2

 

[Deleted member 18694]

Gotcha hes not gonna listen . Just decides to laugh and tag a mate just for the coping mechanism.

 

[ifyouwannabemylover]

The difference is If i’m fucked and receed past my barely visable scar i’ll get a hair transplant shortly after.

If i get a hair transplant that turns out to be shit density which is the case 99% of the time when lowering i’ll have to live as an incel for 12 months more after already waiting 12 months to recover from the first surgery.

Thats 2 years of my prime being FULLY incel and looking like a freak No matter what.

With the lowering you might have a disgusting scar for 2 months untill its mostly faded but you only need to fringe 0.5cm to completely hide it during that time.

This is 5 week post op scar and already looks more natural than any one session hair transplant you’ll find
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I wonder if you could fade it more with laser tbh