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if you already are on the sbl side of tiktok then this thread is going to be water mostly, havent seen really anything about it here though

INTRODUCTION
I think most of us can agree that muscles are a decent halo given you don't have subhuman skeleton and face, however for it you also need to... train properly. Obvious enough but that's where most people fail by indulging into broscience coprophagy, consuming mainstream fitness creators like jewster "Dr" Mike Israetel who doesn't know what happens in the stretch when we had studies on it for YEARS. I am not presenting myself as entirely truthful and professional, but I will share my tips based on my research and some experience.

FUNDAMENTALS
There are 3 key variables to training:
  • Frequency: How many times you hit a muscle in a week. If you do 1x i.e Bro split JFL stop. The main reasons why frequency matters and why 1<2<3 (though the difference between 2x and 3x won't be as significant) is because protein synthesis naturally lasts only about few days. Afterwards atrophy begins, so doing bro split you will have your muscles do nothing but atrophy for about a week. Surely they won't visually shrink that fast but it still stunts your progress.
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  • Intensity: Train with 0 to 2 reps in reserve, nothing much to say here. 1-2 warm up sets prior to working ones. (i.e 1 warm up set 50% of working for 5, 2 set 75% for 3). Stay within 4-8 rep range for working sets, add 1-2kgs upon reaching upper end of the range.
  • Volume: Ages old debate. However the simple answer is that it's a highly individual variable, everyone has different MRV (maximum recoverable volume), so experiment with it yourself: the maximum amount is around 3 sets 3x a week. Start with 1 set 3x a week or 2 sets 2x a week and adjust later if you think you can do more. Some muscle groups might have different recovery, so don't rush to increase volume everywhere. In my case, the quads recover very fast, and they are estimated to be one of the least damage-prone muscles on average, while chest and biceps are the opposite, but this isn't definitive.
PROGRAMMING
Now that we've figured out the fundamentals, let's dive deeper into programming and routines.
Routines
Most beginners don't understand what exactly should they be doing at the gym and hop between routines and never making proper progress. Here's some of the most popular variants:
  • PPL (Push Pull Legs)
  • Arnold
  • Upper/Lower
  • Hybrids like PPLxArnold
  • Fullbody
While either could work if programmed correctly, most of them have a single, major caveat.
5-6 days routines like PPL can be great for growth but oftentimes it generates CNS fatigue that carries over to subsequent workouts, degrading perfomance and progress. Even though your other muscles at rest, your body also needs rest! Training more than 4 days as a natural is just unnecessary. Do what you like, but if you want max gains, then you should rethink your programming.

Better alternative would be Upper/Lower, Front/Back (basically PPL but legs are divided and merged to Push Pull days based on their motion) and Fullbody.
U/L and F/B have 2x frequency, while Fullbody is 3x (or 3.5x if you do EOD). Though as I have mentioned before, the difference between 2x and 3x frequency isn't that major, but for best gains more frequency will be, obviously, better.

Exercise selection
This is the part where many people end up making total mess, devoid of any understanding of programming.
The best exercise for a muscle group is the one that is:
  • involves only single joint
  • stable
  • offers greater leverage for the joint action (though neuromechanical matching is still largely theoretical)
  • not hard to load
TIP: If you want to bring up a muscle, start doing it first during the workout.

I will briefly go on about how to target major muscles groups properly, but I will keep it short and simple so this doesn't become a entire lesson:
Functions:
  • Shoulder flexion (Clavicular i.e upper region)
  • Horizontal abduction (Mid-to-lower region)
MYTH: Incline targets upper chest
Incline doesn't actually matter and doesn't shift bias. What matters is your armpath, so when your arms are more tucked in, you are performing shoulder flexion which is the function of upper chest. When they're more wide to the sides, that is horizontal abduction.
The best for upper chest would be something like clavicular fly (look it up on TT) or, in a compound - chest press with tucked arm path. Pec deck for mid-to-lower. You don't have to bias every region separately, you will be alright with a single chest exercise. Locking out on presses isn't absolutely necessary because your triceps take over there

Functions:
  • Elbow flexion
  • Forearm supination
Biceps is quite simple to train yet many people overcomplicate it, thinking you can isolate the two heads (you can't). A supinated curl with descending resistance profile i.e hardest at the bottom will work the best (freeweight or machine preacher curl with descending resistance). You can also load supinations to target additional fibers of biceps, though this is very optional but beneficial if you REALLY want to milk your biceps.

BRD has the best leverage above 90 degrees of flexion, reverse curl will hit it well.

Back has 3 main muscles: Lats (width), trapezius (thickness, mainly lower and middle fibers) and erector spinae.

Lats perform shoulder extension (i.e a Sagittal plane row) and shoulder adduction (i.e pulldowns). There are currently debate going on whether you can bias upper and lower lats, so depends on who you believe, load both actions or just pick one.

Trapezius perform scapular retraction, so a upper back row or Kelso shrug will hit them. IMO I would recommend Kelsos because sometimes rows can be limited by rear delts, and a shrug is pure scapular retraction, which has a tiny range of motion.

Erectors extend and laterally flex your spine. Hyperextensions isolate them.

Shoulders primarily consist of 3 heads: Front, lateral and rear.
Front performs shoulder flexion at higher degrees, so a overhead press variation or front raise will hit them the best.
Lateral performs shoulder abduction, so a lateral raise variation will directly hit it. (YES YOU CAN ALSO GO HEAVY ON THOSE)
Rear performs shoulder extension, so a rear delt fly will directly hit it.

Extends elbow. Long head also assists in shoulder extension. A pushdown will hit all heads (just dont do rope pls) but bias long head (that shit hanging from your arm when you do a front biceps) since the humerus is fixed.
Lateral and medial heads are biased in movements where the humerus moves (Close-grip bench press, JM press). If you already do chest and shoulder pressing you may just do a pushdown.

Forearms are a great halo and yes, they are genetic.. just like every other muscle.
Forearms have a lot of functions but the "main" ones are wrist/finger flexion/extension. Reverse and regular wrist curls will do (plus normal reverse curls as brachioradialias is the largest forearm muscle. Static holds like weighted deadhangs or farmer carries can also work.

Primarily performs knee flexion but one of it's heads (rectus femoris) crosses both hip and knee joints and does hip flexion as well. Squat pattern hits quads well BUT recfem suffers from active insufficiency (knees and hips flex on descension, recfem lengthens at the knee but shortens at hip, on ascension it's the opposite. Due to that it remains at a relatively constant length, reducing it's ability to produce force. Leg extensions hit ALL heads, including recfem since the hip is fixed. Squat pattern still can be included for maximalism (like, additional stretch-mediated adaptations) and vastus bias.

Consists of 3 heads, all are biarticular meaning they cross both hip and knee, performing knee flexion and hip extensions.
Hamstring curls load knee flexion, working mainly distal hamstrings (closer to knee), a hip hinge (SLDL, 45 extensions with hamstring bias) work mainly proximal (closer to the hip since it's hip extension). Both should be done for complete hamstring development

MUHH ABS ARE MADE IN THE KITCHEN!!!! - they are revealed there, developed abs show up at higher bf% and look even better at lower. Mainly does spinal flexion (bending spine forward), so a crunch will hit them entirely. Use either a machine or cable, or hold plates/ a dumbbell on a decline bench.

Calves have two heads (soleus and gastrocnemius), but the soleus is more distal and deeper, so it doesn't give much aesthetical benefit, Gastrocnemius is more shallow, so just do a straight-leg (NOT SEATED AS SOLEUS TAKES OVER THERE) calf raise/or a press.

DIET
Fortunately unless you are borderline anorexic at a extremely low body fat, a surplus is unnecessary, simply because hypertrophy is signal-induced, not from energy. As long as you eat enough to support your hormones and energy (especially pre-workout, get some carbs in before) and 1.6 to 2.2 kg of protein per kg of bodyweight, you are good. Deficit doesn't entirely kill progress as well (unless you are just starving yourself)

ENDING
I spent hours writing this so don't DNR me or I will kill myself. JK I actually enjoyed it so whatever.
TL;DR: do fullbody/upperlower, start with 1-2 sets per exercise and increase based on recovery, 4-8 rep range 0-2rir, prioritise stable and single joint exercises, eat enough carbs and protein
 

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gonna bookmark and read when I can go to the gym again
 
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@copercel123 shit, they did it b4 me. I was going after the studies to reference :(
 
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Tbh it looks a bit like this was formatted in chatgpt lol
But honestly, even chatgpt cope with high volume
 
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just when I was going to show that I dont have a potato iq
 
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4x12 terrachad vs science based lifter incel
 
Cant tell if his is gpt
but if not mirin effort
bump
 
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Tbh it looks a bit like this was formatted in chatgpt lol
But honestly, even chatgpt cope with high volume
swear on gandi i wrote by hand, used gpt to clarify biomechanics shit
 
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4x12 terrachad vs science based lifter incel
Jfl real olds school did "low volume" and not trips like 4x12
Keep coping with ur shitty results and pushing a girl while I progress 1kg per workout :feelswhy:
 
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Cant tell if his is gpt
but if not mirin effort
bump
no it is not, chatgpt is very cope with training volume
His formatting is really bad, I was going to write something like that since I hate seeing users here training with high volume :( Tag some ppl, it really is the best method for training. Idk if botb already has one like that
 
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no it is not, chatgpt is very cope with training volume
His formatting is really bad, I was going to write something like that since I hate seeing users here training with high volume :( Tag some ppl, it really is the best method for training. Idk if botb already has one like that
yeah this is just a wall of text
 
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swear on gandi i wrote by hand, used gpt to clarify biomechanics shit
True, its also kind of a bummer to see ppl not paying attention to this :(
I believe it is also the method that generates the least stress, since many are of the type "I won't train bc of cortisol'
@Gengar :forcedsmile: Put this on botb so ppl dont cope with training
 
yeah :feelswah: I missed my chance, although he didnt put interesting things like perceived effort (I think)
i hadnt, just went through the basic shit, didnt feel like making a physiology lecture, maybe ill ,do some edits tmrw, im tired asf
 
i hadnt, just went through the basic shit, didnt feel like making a physiology lecture, maybe ill ,do some edits tmrw, im tired asf
yeah, leave some for me nigga I tag u on mine :forcedsmile:
But yeah, good guide nigga. High effort and iq
 
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yeah, leave some for me nigga I tag u on mine :forcedsmile:
But yeah, good guide nigga. High effort and iq
ty, id be thankful if u suggested how could i improve formatting, cuz its my first time writing an actual thread and i did it intuitively
 
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nvm im an iqcel dont think i can edit it anymore, welp
 
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Jfl real olds school did "low volume" and not trips like 4x12
Keep coping with ur shitty results and pushing a girl while I progress 1kg per workout :feelswhy:
idc i mog u anyway lmao
 
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idc i mog u anyway lmao
Wow, Im going to say this since im an imbecile and dumb animal who cant use a third of my iq to admit this jfl:feelsuhh::feelsuhh:
better be a real chad and not a fucking htn, u probably cant depend on ur brain :feelshah:
 
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Good thread, mirin:Comfy: if you would make it more ADHD friendly by making some texts in different colors and include the studies in the text by putting it in the middle (when it fits) it would be even better
 
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if you already are on the sbl side of tiktok then this thread is going to be water mostly, havent seen really anything about it here though

INTRODUCTION
I think most of us can agree that muscles are a decent halo given you don't have subhuman skeleton and face, however for it you also need to... train properly. Obvious enough but that's where most people fail by indulging into broscience coprophagy, consuming mainstream fitness creators like jewster "Dr" Mike Israetel who doesn't know what happens in the stretch when we had studies on it for YEARS. I am not presenting myself as entirely truthful and professional, but I will share my tips based on my research and some experience.

FUNDAMENTALS
There are 3 key variables to training:
  • Frequency: How many times you hit a muscle in a week. If you do 1x i.e Bro split JFL stop. The main reasons why frequency matters and why 1<2<3 (though the difference between 2x and 3x won't be as significant) is because protein synthesis naturally lasts only about few days. Afterwards atrophy begins, so doing bro split you will have your muscles do nothing but atrophy for about a week. Surely they won't visually shrink that fast but it still stunts your progress.
  • Intensity: Train with 0 to 2 reps in reserve, nothing much to say here. 1-2 warm up sets prior to working ones. (i.e 1 warm up set 50% of working for 5, 2 set 75% for 3). Stay within 4-8 rep range for working sets, add 1-2kgs upon reaching upper end of the range.
  • Volume: Ages old debate. However the simple answer is that it's a highly individual variable, everyone has different MRV (maximum recoverable volume), so experiment with it yourself: the maximum amount is around 3 sets 3x a week. Start with 1 set 3x a week or 2 sets 2x a week and adjust later if you think you can do more. Some muscle groups might have different recovery, so don't rush to increase volume everywhere. In my case, the quads recover very fast, and they are estimated to be one of the least damage-prone muscles on average, while chest and biceps are the opposite, but this isn't definitive.
PROGRAMMING
Now that we've figured out the fundamentals, let's dive deeper into programming and routines.
Routines
Most beginners don't understand what exactly should they be doing at the gym and hop between routines and never making proper progress. Here's some of the most popular variants:
  • PPL (Push Pull Legs)
  • Arnold
  • Upper/Lower
  • Hybrids like PPLxArnold
  • Fullbody
While either could work if programmed correctly, most of them have a single, major caveat.
5-6 days routines like PPL can be great for growth but oftentimes it generates CNS fatigue that carries over to subsequent workouts, degrading perfomance and progress. Even though your other muscles at rest, your body also needs rest! Training more than 4 days as a natural is just unnecessary. Do what you like, but if you want max gains, then you should rethink your programming.

Better alternative would be Upper/Lower, Front/Back (basically PPL but legs are divided and merged to Push Pull days based on their motion) and Fullbody.
U/L and F/B have 2x frequency, while Fullbody is 3x (or 3.5x if you do EOD). Though as I have mentioned before, the difference between 2x and 3x frequency isn't that major, but for best gains more frequency will be, obviously, better.

Exercise selection
This is the part where many people end up making total mess, devoid of any understanding of programming.
The best exercise for a muscle group is the one that is:
  • involves only single joint
  • stable
  • offers greater leverage for the joint action (though neuromechanical matching is still largely theoretical)
  • not hard to load
TIP: If you want to bring up a muscle, start doing it first during the workout.

I will briefly go on about how to target major muscles groups properly, but I will keep it short and simple so this doesn't become a entire lesson:
Functions:
  • Shoulder flexion (Clavicular i.e upper region)
  • Horizontal abduction (Mid-to-lower region)
MYTH: Incline targets upper chest
Incline doesn't actually matter and doesn't shift bias. What matters is your armpath, so when your arms are more tucked in, you are performing shoulder flexion which is the function of upper chest. When they're more wide to the sides, that is horizontal abduction.
The best for upper chest would be something like clavicular fly (look it up on TT) or, in a compound - chest press with tucked arm path. Pec deck for mid-to-lower. You don't have to bias every region separately, you will be alright with a single chest exercise. Locking out on presses isn't absolutely necessary because your triceps take over there

Functions:
  • Elbow flexion
  • Forearm supination
Biceps is quite simple to train yet many people overcomplicate it, thinking you can isolate the two heads (you can't). A supinated curl with descending resistance profile i.e hardest at the bottom will work the best (freeweight or machine preacher curl with descending resistance). You can also load supinations to target additional fibers of biceps, though this is very optional but beneficial if you REALLY want to milk your biceps.

BRD has the best leverage above 90 degrees of flexion, reverse curl will hit it well.

Back has 3 main muscles: Lats (width), trapezius (thickness, mainly lower and middle fibers) and erector spinae.

Lats perform shoulder extension (i.e a Sagittal plane row) and shoulder adduction (i.e pulldowns). There are currently debate going on whether you can bias upper and lower lats, so depends on who you believe, load both actions or just pick one.

Trapezius perform scapular retraction, so a upper back row or Kelso shrug will hit them. IMO I would recommend Kelsos because sometimes rows can be limited by rear delts, and a shrug is pure scapular retraction, which has a tiny range of motion.

Erectors extend and laterally flex your spine. Hyperextensions isolate them.

Shoulders primarily consist of 3 heads: Front, lateral and rear.
Front performs shoulder flexion at higher degrees, so a overhead press variation or front raise will hit them the best.
Lateral performs shoulder abduction, so a lateral raise variation will directly hit it. (YES YOU CAN ALSO GO HEAVY ON THOSE)
Rear performs shoulder extension, so a rear delt fly will directly hit it.

Extends elbow. Long head also assists in shoulder extension. A pushdown will hit all heads (just dont do rope pls) but bias long head (that shit hanging from your arm when you do a front biceps) since the humerus is fixed.
Lateral and medial heads are biased in movements where the humerus moves (Close-grip bench press, JM press). If you already do chest and shoulder pressing you may just do a pushdown.

Forearms are a great halo and yes, they are genetic.. just like every other muscle.
Forearms have a lot of functions but the "main" ones are wrist/finger flexion/extension. Reverse and regular wrist curls will do (plus normal reverse curls as brachioradialias is the largest forearm muscle. Static holds like weighted deadhangs or farmer carries can also work.

Primarily performs knee flexion but one of it's heads (rectus femoris) crosses both hip and knee joints and does hip flexion as well. Squat pattern hits quads well BUT recfem suffers from active insufficiency (knees and hips flex on descension, recfem lengthens at the knee but shortens at hip, on ascension it's the opposite. Due to that it remains at a relatively constant length, reducing it's ability to produce force. Leg extensions hit ALL heads, including recfem since the hip is fixed. Squat pattern still can be included for maximalism (like, additional stretch-mediated adaptations) and vastus bias.

Consists of 3 heads, all are biarticular meaning they cross both hip and knee, performing knee flexion and hip extensions.
Hamstring curls load knee flexion, working mainly distal hamstrings (closer to knee), a hip hinge (SLDL, 45 extensions with hamstring bias) work mainly proximal (closer to the hip since it's hip extension). Both should be done for complete hamstring development

MUHH ABS ARE MADE IN THE KITCHEN!!!! - they are revealed there, developed abs show up at higher bf% and look even better at lower. Mainly does spinal flexion (bending spine forward), so a crunch will hit them entirely. Use either a machine or cable, or hold plates/ a dumbbell on a decline bench.

Calves have two heads (soleus and gastrocnemius), but the soleus is more distal and deeper, so it doesn't give much aesthetical benefit, Gastrocnemius is more shallow, so just do a straight-leg (NOT SEATED AS SOLEUS TAKES OVER THERE) calf raise/or a press.

DIET
Fortunately unless you are borderline anorexic at a extremely low body fat, a surplus is unnecessary, simply because hypertrophy is signal-induced, not from energy. As long as you eat enough to support your hormones and energy (especially pre-workout, get some carbs in before) and 1.6 to 2.2 kg of protein per kg of bodyweight, you are good. Deficit doesn't entirely kill progress as well (unless you are just starving yourself)

ENDING
I spent hours writing this so don't DNR me or I will kill myself. JK I actually enjoyed it so whatever.
TL;DR: do fullbody/upperlower, start with 1-2 sets per exercise and increase based on recovery, 4-8 rep range 0-2rir, prioritise stable and single joint exercises, eat enough carbs and protein
Train shoulders and neck till giga failure, be lean. Thats all I need
 
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Very good thread
 
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offers greater leverage for the joint action (though neuromechanical matching is still largely theoretical)
neuromechanical matching isn't theoretical. the principle basically tells us that when multiple muscles or muscle regions work in an exercise, whichever has the best leverage gets the most activation.

you probably know how leverage works but for the sake of reference - think of a wrench. gripping the end gives you way more torque with less effort compared to gripping near the bolt. same principle with muscles - the nervous system preferentially activates muscle regions that have the longest moment arms for that specific joint angle and movement direction. why waste energy firing muscles with shit leverage when you can use the ones positioned to actually move the weight efficiently.

this applies in high effort scenarios, you still have limited central motor command at failure, so the brain's going to use it on muscles/regions with good leverage rather than wasting it on areas that would produce very little joint torque for a lot of muscle force.

practical example: wide grip pulldowns hit lower lats (lumbar/pelvic regions) more because they have better leverage in that frontal plane movement. close grip rows hit upper lats (thoracic region) more because of better leverage in that sagittal plane movement. the brain chooses where to send motor command based on mechanical advantage.
 
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Jfl real olds school did "low volume" and not trips like 4x12
Keep coping with ur shitty results and pushing a girl while I progress 1kg per workout :feelswhy:
4x12 nonsense started after Jay Retardler said that pump and volume is what grows muscle
 
4x12 nonsense started after Jay Retardler said that pump and volume is what grows muscle
I mean I get what ur saying but more volume is more muscle as long as you recover. Literally no excuse for 12+ reps tho
 
I mean I get what ur saying but more volume is more muscle as long as you recover. Literally no excuse for 12+ reps tho
volume of stimulative reps is what grows muscle yes
But that's not the volume Jay was and still is preaching
 
volume of stimulative reps is what grows muscle yes
But that's not the volume Jay was and still is preaching
yeah jfl its sad how gymcell infospace is still largely horseshit, looking at womens side of it makes me grateful though:hnghn:
 
yeah jfl its sad how gymcell infospace is still largely horseshit, looking at womens side of it makes me grateful though:hnghn:
Yep. Tone those muscles ladies :lul:
 
Literally seen a girl today doing face pulls with 20lbs for 5 sets of gazillion reps with 0 effort. With a coach. Man fuck that shit, I wish I had my own gym like Mike Jizzraetel so I don't have to watch all this stupidity.
 
not one nigga can rep 3plates on bench in this pathetic thread lmao

yeah broooo just waste millions of hours on research and creating an 'optimal' training program rather than just lifting heavy shit for 15sets a week for a group of muscle tissue:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: if you arent a complete subhuman than you already are you will pack on some size eventually
 
good thread, but is it fine to do PPL rest and repeat?
 
not one nigga can rep 3plates on bench in this pathetic thread lmao

yeah broooo just waste millions of hours on research and creating an 'optimal' training program rather than just lifting heavy shit for 15sets a week for a group of muscle tissue:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: if you arent a complete subhuman than you already are you will pack on some size eventually
:feelsuhh:
 
A little addition:
Incline doesn't actually matter and doesn't shift bias. What matters is your armpath, so when your arms are more tucked in, you are performing shoulder flexion which is the function of upper chest. When they're more wide to the sides, that is horizontal abduction.
both do horizontal adduction.
I don't see any particular reason to bias it at all though. The thing is so small and grows so well during hortizontal adduction (literally under 5% difference in activation), that it's basically pointless for 99% of people.
CGBP should be great for the clavicular head too, a lot of flexion.
Functions:
  • Elbow flexion
  • Forearm supination
How could you forget about shoulder flexion brah :forcedsmile: jk
Trapezius perform scapular retraction, so a upper back row or Kelso shrug will hit them. IMO I would recommend Kelsos because sometimes rows can be limited by rear delts, and a shrug is pure scapular retraction, which has a tiny range of motion.
I would recommend Kelsos because most people are retarded and do literally 0 scapular retraction during rows.
You forgot about vertical shrug myth brah.
Lateral performs shoulder abduction, so a lateral raise variation will directly hit it. (YES YOU CAN ALSO GO HEAVY ON THOSE)
btw the middle head has more leverage at lower degrees of abduction. Also keep your fucking elbows straight during lat raises niggas
Also lateral raise has very little difference in activation vs an overhead press. So might as well just do frontal plane OHP.

Leg extensions hit ALL heads, including recfem since the hip is fixed. Squat pattern still can be included for maximalism (like, additional stretch-mediated adaptations
I think there was some study that showed that rec fem is more active during leg extensions than single-joint heads. Not sure tho.

Hamstring curls load knee flexion, working mainly distal hamstrings (closer to knee), a hip hinge (SLDL, 45 extensions with hamstring bias) work mainly proximal (closer to the hip since it's hip extension). Both should be done for complete hamstring development
True. But if you absolutely have to only pick one - pick knee flexion. Also doing both seated and lying is probably better than only one, lying targets more short head, and seated more long head.
 
yeah broooo just waste millions of hours on research and creating an 'optimal' training program rather than just lifting heavy shit for 15sets a week for a group of muscle tissue:ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: if you arent a complete subhuman than you already are you will pack on some size eventually
"SHUT UP YOU NERD!!!!" :feelsuhh:
 
"SHUT UP YOU NERD!!!!" :feelsuhh:
JFL why do bros get so butthurt by someone trying to optimize their training with the most basic ass principles, using bench as a metric for anything but raw strength is the most gymcelled thing you can do:soy:
 
JFL why do bros get so butthurt by someone trying to optimize their training with the most basic ass principles, using bench as a metric for anything but raw strength is the most gymcelled thing you can do:soy:
all these nerdy words like adduction and distal am I right?
 

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