Shortface syndrome or recessed lower maxilla and philtrum= no teeth support for lips?

[Copemaxxing]

What I noticed is that a lot of people with shortfacesyndrome have ugly lips. (Including me) Is it because the maxilla is so far up so that the teeth are very close beneath the nose and the lips are further down, so the teeth cant support the lips which will result in fishy ugly lips.






by correcting shortface syndrome the maxilla gets brought down to the lips which will give the lips support and result in a way better lipseal and lip aesthatics.

Also what I noticed is that the under eye support is getting heavily worse after bimax with cw rotation.

Spoiler: Bonus: shortfaces subhuman succesful on tiktok.

 

[Copemaxxing]

@Hunterslayer @orthochadic @Latebloomer10 @goat2x

 

[goat2x]

More downward grown maxilla really causes sclera show but undereye support should not change with bimax
maybe it remodelled after the maxilla?

 

[Deleted member 5385]

Please stop with this you have great forward growth, big dick,prenatal T, decent height everything to be succesful in every way
Just get cw Lefort 1 and don't waste your time here

 

[Deleted member 6217]

if my lips become bigger i will look like a gay tranny

 

[Copemaxxing]

More downward grown maxilla really causes sclera show but undereye support should not change with bimax
maybe it remodelled after the maxilla?

lefort 1 with cw rotation can make undereyes worse because the whole maxilla adaptes a bit downward with the other part of the maxilla. @retard sent me a study on this once. So basically its a lose-win. Sclera show but with better lowerthird or no sclera short with subhuman smile and lowerthird

 

[Copemaxxing]

if my lips become bigger i will look like a gay tranny

They wont become bigger. Just more aesthatic

 

[Chintuck22]

Copemaxing A.k.a shortfaced guy


Me and @BalkanPig don't have to worry about dis shit, but we will tramp places with you at any time bro

 

[Copemaxxing]

Please stop with this you have great forward growth, big dick,prenatal T, decent height everything to be succesful in every way
Just get cw Lefort 1 and don't waste your time here

The fucking hardest smile I can force bro

 

[johncruz12345]

The fucking hardest smile I can force broView attachment 706205

Can you not smile anymore.

 

[Deleted member 6217]

The fucking hardest smile I can force broView attachment 706205

wtf way worse then mine

 

[goat2x]

lefort 1 with cw rotation can make undereyes worse because the whole maxilla adaptes a bit downward with the other part of the maxilla. @retard sent me a study on this once. So basically its a lose-win. Sclera show but with better lowerthird or no sclera short with subhuman smile and lowerthird

Then my hypothesis is true... I am a scientist tbh

 

[Deleted member 5385]

The fucking hardest smile I can force broView attachment 706205

In that case L1 cw is so great cause it won't lenghten your midface and you won't look like toothless gradma

 

[Deleted member 4430]

More downward grown maxilla really causes sclera show but undereye support should not change with bimax
maybe it remodelled after the maxilla?

upper maxilla will be more recessed after bimax, cause it will stay behind. With CW probably makes this illusion because it pulls the soft tissue down instead of up

 

[AutisticBeaner]

don't you have massive lips? i'm starting to think your whole shortfacesyndrome thing is just larp, but then again, i saw your x ray

 

[Copemaxxing]

wtf way worse then mine

You dont even look like you have sfs from the front jfl

 

[lutte]

Please stop with this you have great forward growth, big dick,prenatal T, decent height everything to be succesful in every way
Just get cw Lefort 1 and don't waste your time here

No cw LF1 for your mental health

 

[Copemaxxing]

don't you have massive lips? i'm starting to think your whole shortfacesyndrome thing is just larp, but then again, i saw your x ray

Its not about massive lips. Its about aesthatics of the lips. Infact my lips are that big because they dont have any maxilla support

 

[Copemaxxing]

upper maxilla will be more recessed after bimax, cause it will stay behind. With CW probably makes this illusion because it pulls the soft tissue down instead of up

He got sclera show.

 

[Copemaxxing]

In that case L1 cw is so great cause it won't lenghten your midface and you won't look like toothless gradma

What about undereye support?

 

[AutisticBeaner]

Its not about massive lips. Its about aesthatics of the lips. Infact my lips are that big because they dont have any maxilla support

yea i could see that being the case actually

 

[Carl-o]

More downward grown maxilla really causes sclera show but undereye support should not change with bimax
maybe it remodelled after the maxilla?

Are you sure? Imo it should; the soft tissue are brought forward; maybe with a high cut leforr 1 or lefort or Mod L3?

 

[retard]

• Absence of maxillary tooth show beneath a relaxed upper lip
• Limited tooth and no gingiva show with broad smile
• Acute nasolabial angle
• Depressed pyriform rims
• An apparent fullness of the cheeks and a squareness of the overall face
• An apparent prominent and elongated nose when viewed in profile
• Procumbent everted lips, turned down corners of the mouth, and a closed aperture
• An excessively deepened and elongated labiomental fold
• Soft-tissue bunching that eventually results in perioral creases (i.e., marionette lines)
• Early and deep jowl formation by middle age
• Premature loss of any semblance of an attractive neck–jaw angle


Dental Findings
• Class II excess overjet malocclusion is common, but a Class I deep bite is also frequent.
• A deep impinging bite with palatal irritation is a frequent finding.
• Dental crowding with flaring of the incisors in each arch is also a frequent finding.

23: Short Face Growth Patterns: Maxillomandibular Deficiency

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you have several of these so it is 99% sfs


personally i would get downgrafting, and you wouldnt have to mess with rotations, which would most likely leave your eye area unchanged while giving you a taller lower third and a higher gonial angle

 

[Carl-o]

Btw I’ve spoken with Andreishchev the russian surgeon. Having a closed smile that means having difficulty to show teeth while smiling ( or you can show them only by streatching out and your face looks like when you are taking shit )
It can indicate a short face

 

[Copemaxxing]

• Absence of maxillary tooth show beneath a relaxed upper lip
• Limited tooth and no gingiva show with broad smile
• Acute nasolabial angle
• Depressed pyriform rims
• An apparent fullness of the cheeks and a squareness of the overall face
• An apparent prominent and elongated nose when viewed in profile
• Procumbent everted lips, turned down corners of the mouth, and a closed aperture
• An excessively deepened and elongated labiomental fold
• Soft-tissue bunching that eventually results in perioral creases (i.e., marionette lines)
• Early and deep jowl formation by middle age
• Premature loss of any semblance of an attractive neck–jaw angle


Dental Findings
• Class II excess overjet malocclusion is common, but a Class I deep bite is also frequent.
• A deep impinging bite with palatal irritation is a frequent finding.
• Dental crowding with flaring of the incisors in each arch is also a frequent finding.

23: Short Face Growth Patterns: Maxillomandibular Deficiency

Visit the post for more.

pocketdentistry.com

you have several of these so it is 99% sfs


personally i would get downgrafting, and you wouldnt have to mess with rotations, which would most likely leave your eye area unchanged while giving you a taller lower third and a higher gonial angle

How can I not be turbo subhuman with all this shit jfl

 

[Copemaxxing]

Btw I’ve spoken with Andreishchev the russian surgeon. Having a closed smile that means having difficulty to show teeth while smiling ( or you can show them only by streatching out and your face looks like when you are taking shit )
It can indicate a short face

Andreishaev is shortfaced like most russians.

 

[Carl-o]

Andreishaev is shortfaced like most russians.

Was speaking for my self actually

 

[Copemaxxing]

Was speaking for my self actually

No teeth= turbo shortface. I have this problem. It might be a result of too high prenetal testosterone

 

[Carl-o]

No teeth= turbo shortface. I have this problem. It might be a result of too high prenetal testosterone

Idk .. according to him the dentist fucked me up. 4 wisdom teeth removed + 2 molara removed + braces.

 

[Copemaxxing]

Idk .. according to him the dentist fucked me up. 4 wisdom teeth removed + 2 molara removed + braces.

Holy fuck.. I am so glad my ortho gave me a maxillary expander instead tbh..

 

[orthochadic]

They wont become bigger. Just more aesthatic

Over time the upper lip get's bigger and the lower lip decrease in size.
The deep bite ask the lower lip a lot of effort to seal with the upper one which is never used as it already fall into the upper teeth due to no philtrum support.
So basically you never use your upper lip and over use the lower one with this maxilla conformation.
Once it's fixed, over time your lips get to a better looking shape but you may need to consciously change your lip seal level
(lower than before)

 

[Copemaxxing]

Over time the upper lip get's bigger and the lower lip decrease in size.
The deep bite ask the lower lip a lot of effort to seal with the upper one which is never used as it already fall into the upper teeth due to no philtrum support.
So basically you never use your upper lip and over use the lower one with this maxilla conformation.
Once it's fixed, over time your lips get to a better looking shape but you may need to consciously change your lip seal level (a bit lower than before)

Should I get bimax to get more downward growth?

 

[orthochadic]

Over time the upper lip get's bigger and the lower lip decrease in size.
The deep bite ask the lower lip a lot of effort to seal with the upper one which is never used as it already fall into the upper teeth due to no philtrum support.
So basically you never use your upper lip and over use the lower one with this maxilla conformation.
Once it's fixed, over time your lips get to a better looking shape but you may need to consciously change your lip seal level
(lower than before)

As you can see on my face i also have short face syndrome , but i compensate my lip seal by contracting my upper lip to get a long philtrum in my avi . I do it the whole day so that i will already have a good lip seal after ccw over ans bimax.

 

[Deleted member 6217]

As you can see on my face i also have short face syndrome , but i compensate my lip seal by contracting my upper lip to get a long philtrum in my avi . I do it the whole day so that i will already have a good lip seal after ccw over ans bimax.

if thats you i got bad news for you

 

[Copemaxxing]

As you can see on my face i also have short face syndrome , but i compensate my lip seal by contracting my upper lip to get a long philtrum in my avi . I do it the whole day so that i will already have a good lip seal after ccw over ans bimax.

Are you planning to get cw rotation?

 

[orthochadic]

Should I get bimax to get more downward growth?

It's not about getting downward growth, but forward growth (downward geowtg means clockwise moivement).
You want ccw movement from surgery over your anterior nasal spine to shorten your nose while keeping the same philtrum bony length (the soft tissue one will be easily fixed from a new ideal lip seal once everything will be done).
(CCW means forward growth + upward growth)
Upward growth is to change your nose length whie forward growth is to give a better support to your philtrum and fix your deep bite, thus resulting into a good looking lower third ad lips.

 

[orthochadic]

Are you planning to get cw rotation?

Gonna plan what i just told you in my last message before this one.

 

[Copemaxxing]

It's not about getting downward growth, but forward growth (downward geowtg means clockwise moivement).
You want ccw movement from surgery over your anterior nasal spine to shorten your nose while keeping the same philtrum bony length (the soft tissue one will be easily fixed from a new ideal lip seal once everything will be done).
(CCW means forward growth + upward growth)
Upward growth is to change your nose length whie forward growth is to give a better support to your philtrum and fix your deep bite, thus resulting into a good looking lower third ad lips.

But how getting more ccw rotation? It will make your chin shorter and most sfs people already have short af chin. The guy in op got cw rotation.

 

[orthochadic]

Sergio OMS said impacting over the ans is possible, as well as a website in hunterslayer's thread talking about a midface shortening surgery in Korea.

But how getting more ccw rotation? It will make your chin shorter and most sfs people already have short af chin. The guy in op got cw rotation.

CCw will occur over the ans, and will only make your nose shorter (the nose part between your "maxilla orbital portion" and your ans)
The orbital portion of the maxilla is basically the part of the maxilla that make the underorbital and that articulate with zygoma.

 

[Copemaxxing]

Sergio OMS said impacting over the ans is possible, as well as a website in hunterslayer's thread talking about a midface shortening surgery in Korea.

CCw will occur over the ans, and will only make your nose shorter (the nose part between your "maxilla orbital portion" and your ans)
The orbital portion of the maxilla is basically the part of the maxilla that make the underorbital and that articulate with zygoma.

so basically a high cut lefort 1? I dont think it cant shorten nose actually,or it would be well known here on this site.

 

[orthochadic]

so basically a high cut lefort 1? I dont think it cant shorten nose actually,or it would be well known here on this site.

We can shorten the nose untill the maxilla orbital portion.
The ANS is the nose base

 

[orthochadic]

if thats you i got bad news for you

if thats you i got bad news for you

I have got a good looksmaxxing base boyo

 

[Copemaxxing]

I have got a good looksmaxxing base boyo

you face shape looks like mine. Can I see your smile?

 

[orthochadic]

you face shape looks like mine. Can I see your smile?

This kind lf smile is actually uggly AF, gonna PM it lol.
I'm not sending publicly any smile pics before getting it fixed. or maybe i may change my mind if i get lower inhib one day

 

[Good_Little_Goy]

More downward grown maxilla really causes sclera show but undereye support should not change with bimax
maybe it remodelled after the maxilla?

There is some study on scleral show improvements after lf1 which I can find if you want

not due to better under eye bones or anything but just soft tissue changes

 

[Good_Little_Goy]

More downward grown maxilla really causes sclera show but undereye support should not change with bimax
maybe it remodelled after the maxilla?

There is some study on scleral show improvements after lf1 which I can find if you want

not due to better under eye bones or anything but just soft tissue changes

 

[goat2x]

There is some study on scleral show improvements after lf1 which I can find if you want

not due to better under eye bones or anything but just soft tissue changes

with what rotation?

 

[Good_Little_Goy]

There is some study on scleral show improvements after lf1 which I can find if you want

not due to better under eye bones or anything but just soft tissue changes

There is some study on scleral show improvements after lf1 which I can find if you want

not due to better under eye bones or anything but just soft tissue changes

My shitty wifi is gonna fuck my post to rep tbh

 

[goat2x]

My shitty wifi is gonna fuck my post to rep tbh

got you my guy

 

[Good_Little_Goy]

with what rotation?

Changes in scleral exposure following Le Fort І maxillary advancement or impaction

Inferior scleral exposure is an aesthetic as well as functional concern. The purpose of this study was to evaluate and compare changes in scleral expo…

www.sciencedirect.com

there is vertical displacement but they don’t mention rotation as far as I can see but I am phoneposting rn tbh