Should I take steroids?/ Help me Assend my physique/ Give Advice (Ik I have narrow clavicles😭)

[b12345]

My stats rn…
Height: 5’9
Age: 17.5
Morning weight: 125
waist when lean: 26 inches
Bidelt: Around 17 inches
bicroimiol width (collarbone only): 12.5 inches
growth plates open?: possibly, late bloomer when I was 15 doctor said my bone age was behind a year or so

Currently Lean bulking ( gaining 0.5 to 1 pound per week)
Currently taking 20 mg accutane for acne that I had it’s pretty much gone now tho but worried it would come back if I did a cycle

Was thinking about a 15 week cycle of test e 250 mg twice a week (500 Mg) with aromasin (idk how id use that yet) And after 15 weeks do a pct enclomafine from research chems cause I’ve tried it before.



HELP ME ASSEND MY PHYSIQUE/ GIVE GOOD ADVICE

 

[mog_or_be_mogged]

damn nigga my untrained bidelt was 18.2 jfl

 

[b12345]

damn nigga my untrained bidelt was 18.2 jfl

I’m basically untrained to I just started lifting

 

[MA_ascender]

Is 5'9 brutal where you're from?

 

[b12345]

Is 5'9 brutal where you're from?

No I’m taller then every girl and average for a guy I’d say maybe slightly above average

 

[MA_ascender]

No I’m taller then every girl and average for a guy I’d say maybe slightly above average

Woah where are you from

 

[b12345]

Woah where are you from

The us

 

[MA_ascender]

The us

Wow I thought it'd be harder heightwise there @wastedspermcel lifefuel


Just hop on 500 mg test and low dose asin as you said.

You can even skip PCT or just drop your dose to 150 mg after

 

[b12345]

Wow I thought it'd be harder heightwise there @wastedspermcel lifefuel


Just hop on 500 mg test and low dose asin as you said.

You can even skip PCT or just drop your dose to 150 mg after

I would do a pct cause I’d be hiding the gear but when I’m older def hop on again I just don’t know if the risk is worth it like what would steroids even do for me besides give me acne gyno and health problems im already 17 so idk

 

[NoaA99]

Clavicles aren’t narrow and you know that

 

[b12345]

Clavicles aren’t narrow and you know that

Yes there are bro sadly everyone on here has said that and I can tell personally it could be worse but it’s not good

 

[b12345]

Wow I thought it'd be harder heightwise there @wastedspermcel lifefuel


Just hop on 500 mg test and low dose asin as you said.

You can even skip PCT or just drop your dose to 150 mg after

Say after a cycle I gain 10 pounds of muscle when I hop off and do a pct am I going to have crashed test and/or will I lose the muscle ? Could I ever train naturally again and make progress ?

 

[surgerymogger]

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My stats rn…
Height: 5’9
Age: 17.5
Morning weight: 125
waist when lean: 26 inches
Bidelt: Around 17 inches
bicroimiol width (collarbone only): 12.5 inches
growth plates open?: possibly, late bloomer when I was 15 doctor said my bone age was behind a year or so

Currently Lean bulking ( gaining 0.5 to 1 pound per week)
Currently taking 20 mg accutane for acne that I had it’s pretty much gone now tho but worried it would come back if I did a cycle

Was thinking about a 15 week cycle of test e 250 mg twice a week (500 Mg) with aromasin (idk how id use that yet) And after 15 weeks do a pct enclomafine from research chems cause I’ve tried it before.



HELP ME ASSEND MY PHYSIQUE/ GIVE GOOD ADVICE

dont bro as someone who took it myself its not worth it and ur physique is already ideal, girls wont want you any bigger than that, stay natty its never worth it

 

[MA_ascender]

Say after a cycle I gain 10 pounds of muscle when I hop off and do a pct am I going to have crashed test and/or will I lose the muscle ? Could I ever train naturally again and make progress ?

Yeah you can keep about 30% of your mass and a bit more strength, your test levels will recover really fast trust me it's way overblown. Of course you can keep making gains naturally after bro come one yall acting like test is some crazy super CIA experiment soldier serum that you become dependent on the moment a molecule of exogenous T enters your body



TLDR yes and you can keep way more gains with blast and cruise (barely lose any gaina)

 

[MA_ascender]

dont bro as someone who took it myself its not worth it and ur physique is already ideal, girls wont want you any bigger than that, stay natty its never worth it

I would do a pct cause I’d be hiding the gear but when I’m older def hop on again I just don’t know if the risk is worth it like what would steroids even do for me besides give me acne gyno and health problems im already 17 so idk

Give you a good physique, increase bone mass, make you low inhib mogga

 

[b12345]

Give you a good physique, increase bone mass, make you low inhib mogga

What is low inhib?

 

[Yuki]

Say after a cycle I gain 10 pounds of muscle when I hop off and do a pct am I going to have crashed test and/or will I lose the muscle ? Could I ever train naturally again and make progress ?

Natty lifting is a meme i would be more worried about the height

btw accutane speeds up growth plate closure

 

[b12345]

Natty lifting is a meme i would be more worried about the height

btw accutane speeds up growth plate closure

Ik I needed it tho

 

[b12345]

dont bro as someone who took it myself its not worth it and ur physique is already ideal, girls wont want you any bigger than that, stay natty its never worth it

How was your first cycle honestly what happened what was good and what was bad and do you have any progress pictures? And how old were u

 

[surgerymogger]

Give you a good physique, increase bone mass, make you low inhib mogga

wont increase bonemass in the way you think, like it wont give u chad bones, good physique? girls dont want roid physiques bro.

 

[b12345]

wont increase bonemass in the way you think, like it wont give u chad bones, good physique? girls dont want roid physiques bro.

Ik it won’t give me chad bones

 

[b12345]

I want to look like Swartznegger I’m doing it for me not girls

wont increase bonemass in the way you think, like it wont give u chad bones, good physique? girls dont want roid physiques bro.

 

[surgerymogger]

How was your first cycle honestly what happened what was good and what was bad and do you have any progress pictures? And how old were u

I did hgh and peptides for 4 months, and 2 cycles of proviron, i experienced hairloss, i did gain muscle but not that much, maybe 5-10 lbs, didnt grow taller at all, and after i stopped the muscle went away quickly, i was 16 at the time, its not worth your health bro, it doesnt make you any more attractive to the opposite sex, it just ruins your health, if you still are going to do it, never take a steroid that will mess directly with your fertility,

these videos helped me to understand better

 

[surgerymogger]

I want to look like Swartznegger I’m doing it for me not girls

biggest lie ever, people only go to them gym for other people, if u were the last person on earth would you looksmaxx and gymcell?

 

[b12345]

biggest lie ever, people only go to them gym for other people, if u were the last person on earth would you looksmaxx and gymcell?

Idk how to answer that

 

[b12345]

Idk how to answer that

Your right tbh I’m not roiding bro got me

 

[MA_ascender]

I did hgh and peptides for 4 months, and 2 cycles of proviron, i experienced hairloss, i did gain muscle but not that much, maybe 5-10 lbs, didnt grow taller at all, and after i stopped the muscle went away quickly, i was 16 at the time, its not worth your health bro, it doesnt make you any more attractive to the opposite sex, it just ruins your health, if you still are going to do it, never take a steroid that will mess directly with your fertility,

these videos helped me to understand better

So you did pussy roids with for 0 gains


Mirin

 

[Giorgio]

Wow I thought it'd be harder heightwise there @wastedspermcel lifefuel


Just hop on 500 mg test and low dose asin as you said.

You can even skip PCT or just drop your dose to 150 mg after

500 is unnecessarily too much

never start your TRT with more than 200, it's just not necessary to make such huge jumps in your hormones OP
just start at 150 and then once you feel fine and have you AI dialed in, start increasing by 50mg increments
you want to find a dose on which you gain good enough, feel good & will not fuck your health parameters too much

it's not needed to go pedal to the metal with the dose, that's a relic from the past when people used to do 12 week cycles

Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men - PubMed

Testosterone increases muscle mass and strength and regulates other physiological processes, but we do not know whether testosterone effects are dose dependent and whether dose requirements for maintaining various androgen-dependent processes are similar. To determine the effects of graded doses...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

here's a study where men took 25, 50, 125, 300, or 600 mg of testosterone, which has brought them to 253, 306, 542, 1,345, and 2,370 ng/dl respectively (mean)

change in fat free mass was +3.4, 5.2, and 7.9 kg, respectively, for 125, 300, or 600 mg of testosterone weekly

so 300mg would put you around at 1.3k ng/dl, and you'd be gaining 5.2kg every 20 weeks

is that not enough? looking at your physique now, I'd say the limiting factor in your case would be food & protein intake, and not hormone levels

 

[MA_ascender]

500 is unnecessarily too much

never start your TRT with more than 200, it's just not necessary to make such huge jumps in your hormones OP
just start at 150 and then once you feel fine and have you AI dialed in, start increasing by 50mg increments
you want to find a dose on which you gain good enough, feel good & will not fuck your health parameters too much

it's not needed to go pedal to the metal with the dose, that's a relic from the past when people used to do 12 week cycles

Testosterone dose-response relationships in healthy young men - PubMed

Testosterone increases muscle mass and strength and regulates other physiological processes, but we do not know whether testosterone effects are dose dependent and whether dose requirements for maintaining various androgen-dependent processes are similar. To determine the effects of graded doses...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

here's a study where men took 25, 50, 125, 300, or 600 mg of testosterone, which has brought them to 253, 306, 542, 1,345, and 2,370 ng/dl respectively (mean)

change in fat free mass was +3.4, 5.2, and 7.9 kg, respectively, for 125, 300, or 600 mg of testosterone weekly

so 300mg would put you around at 1.3k ng/dl, and you'd be gaining 5.2kg every 20 weeks

is that not enough? looking at your physique now, I'd say the limiting factor in your case would be food & protein intake, and not hormone levels

Dnrd sub500 is cope

 

[Giorgio]

regarding the clavicle question:

The Clavicle Continues to Grow During Adolescence and Early Adulthood - PubMed

We found substantial clavicular growth potential after age 18 years, when growth is thought to be nearly finished, as well as remodeling potential even up to age 25 years. Further research is needed, but our findings suggest that strategies for managing clavicle fracture in adults may not be...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

you can expect a significant increase in clavicular length, perhaps even into your late twenties
whether increasing T into supra physiological levels yields more growth, I don't know, but I'd guess that yes
hopping on test at 17 is probably too young, since you are still developing your endocrine system, and disrupting it by shutting down HPT axis might have adverse effects

but I'm not the resident expert on teen roiding, many people here who know a lot about this so just research or ask around

 

[b12345]

regarding the clavicle question:

The Clavicle Continues to Grow During Adolescence and Early Adulthood - PubMed

We found substantial clavicular growth potential after age 18 years, when growth is thought to be nearly finished, as well as remodeling potential even up to age 25 years. Further research is needed, but our findings suggest that strategies for managing clavicle fracture in adults may not be...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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you can expect a significant increase in clavicular length, perhaps even into your late twenties
whether increasing T into supra physiological levels yields more growth, I don't know, but I'd guess that yes
hopping on test at 17 is probably too young, since you are still developing your endocrine system, and disrupting it by shutting down HPT axis might have adverse effects

but I'm not the resident expert on teen roiding, many people here who know a lot about this so just research or ask around

So basically it’s not over and I should grow longer clavicles

 

[b12345]

So basically it’s not over and I should grow longer clavicles

Actually nvm a millimeter is nothing bro wtf

 

[NoaA99]

Yes there are bro sadly everyone on here has said that and I can tell personally it could be worse but it’s not good

They will tell you they are narrow, if they are anything other than within the top percentile.
They are completely normal in size and also have a straight shape.