should I use tamoxifen during or after cycle (16)

[treyu12464]

running var with little to no test base and im buying tamoxifen with it. should I use it during the cycle or just after?

 

[testosterone36]

tamoxifen messes with my eyes so much but a short cycle of it is good for preventing and fixing gyno u can do it after should be fine

 

[treyu12464]

tamoxifen messes with my eyes so much but a short cycle of it is good for preventing and fixing gyno u can do it after should be fine

will it help bring back natural test production and how long do u run it for?

 

[testosterone36]

will it help bring back natural test production and how long do u run it for?

just stay on for life

 

[peter1287]

tamoxifen messes with my eyes so much but a short cycle of it is good for preventing and fixing gyno u can do it after should be fine

How does it mess with ur eyes lol ?

 

[testosterone36]

How does it mess with ur eyes lol ?

estrogen receptors get dulled out and eyes have estrogen receptors which tamoxifen disrupts

 

[treyu12464]

just stay on for life

actually how long should I run it for after I stop anavar

 

[testosterone36]

actually how long should I run it for after I stop anavar

2-4 weeks

 

[peter1287]

running var with little to no test base and im buying tamoxifen with it. should I use it during the cycle or just after?

You need a test base, no ur not gonna be on trt for life, especially when ur doing a low test base, your gonna bring back ur natural as soon as your pct kicks in

 

[treyu12464]

You need a test base, no ur not gonna be on trt for life, especially when ur doing a low test base, your gonna bring back ur natural as soon as your pct kicks in

in the studies I read no test base was used in adolescents. is it really that important, even If I have a really good pct? maybe I see how I feel and if I get ed I start test? the anavar dose is so low. what if I used hcg during the anavar cycle?

 

[treyu12464]

You need a test base, no ur not gonna be on trt for life, especially when ur doing a low test base, your gonna bring back ur natural as soon as your pct kicks in

bump

 

[peter1287]

in the studies I read no test base was used in adolescents. is it really that important, even If I have a really good pct? maybe I see how I feel and if I get ed I start test? the anavar dose is so low. what if I used hcg during the anavar cycle?

Most studies used small doses and all were used in girls, the studies anavar in boys was used when they obviously had a developmental problem, the shut down of testosterone didnt out weight the other development issues anavar targeted, it make sense for a test base if ur fully healthy and want to use anavar

 

[treyu12464]

Most studies used small doses and all were used in girls, the studies anavar in boys was used when they obviously had a developmental problem, the shut down of testosterone didnt out weight the other development issues anavar targeted, it make sense for a test base if ur fully healthy and want to use anavar

okay thanks, what's the lowest dose of test I can use and which version? P, C, E, I saw one post of someone using 5 a day,

 

[peter1287]

estrogen receptors get dulled out and eyes have estrogen receptors which tamoxifen disrupts

Brutal, that’s why you use ralox, they seem to be less harsh on the eyes, you sure they just weren’t dry? Tamox can cause that

 

[peter1287]

okay thanks, what's the lowest dose of test I can use and which version? P, C, E

E with daily injections, 100-150 weekly spread out daily

 

[treyu12464]

E with daily injections, 100-150 weekly spread out daily

thanks, one more question, why not C with less injections?

 

[peter1287]

thanks, one more question, why not C with less injections?

Less frequent injection cause more aromiztion and hormonal imbalances through out the day

 

[treyu12464]

Less frequent injection cause more aromiztion and hormonal imbalances through out the day

im using aromasin already too, does this change anything? also if I can't inject for a couple days should I stop the test and var or only the test? and when im done just go cold turkey on both or taper down the test and then start pct. and what would the best pct be? novaldex and hcg?

 

[lmnopq]

running var with little to no test base and im buying tamoxifen with it. should I use it during the cycle or just after?

Tamox if super effective for delaying growth plate maturation so use 10-20mg during whole cycle especially if ur gonna use test

 

[peter1287]

im using aromasin already too, does this change anything? also if I can't inject for a couple days should I stop the test and var or only the test? and when im done just go cold turkey on both or taper down the test and then start pct. and what would the best pct be? novaldex and hcg?

How much Aromasin are you using rn, how long are you planning on running test and var?

 

[treyu12464]

How much Aromasin are you using rn, how long are you planning on running test and var?

12.5 every 2 days but thats all im running right now, probably 2-4 months, also when I hop off I want to try to not lose as much as I can

 

[peter1287]

im using aromasin already too, does this change anything? also if I can't inject for a couple days should I stop the test and var or only the test? and when im done just go cold turkey on both or taper down the test and then start pct. and what would the best pct be? novaldex and hcg?

12.5 every 2 days but thats all im running right now, probably 2-4 months, also when I hop off I want to try to not lose as much as I can

If you don’t inject a couple days it’s gonna be fine, you need a longer cycle lol, you start to see benefits of test, one month in, Dont pct, just cruise with ur test dosage, if you pct ur gonna lose all ur gains

 

[treyu12464]

what do you mean by cruise? will I just run that test forever?

 

[yordancel]

just stay on for life

will it help bring back natural test production and how long do u run it for?

Medically it's like 4 weeks up to 10 years and it's cheap so why not. 5 or 6 weeks optimal after finishing androg roid cycles tbh

 

[treyu12464]

Medically it's like 4 weeks up to 10 years and it's cheap so why not. 5 or 6 weeks optimal after finishing androg roid cycles tbh

so run var and test for a while then when I hop off novaldex. will I lose most of my gains?

 

[yordancel]

so run var and test for a while then when I hop off novaldex. will I lose most of my gains?

You'll lose gains you don't do shit. Don't be a couch potato and work, it'll more about maintaining muscle rather than building at that stage. But if your pct doesn't work then it's over

 

[treyu12464]

You'll lose gains you don't do shit. Don't be a couch potato and work, it'll more about maintaining muscle rather than building at that stage. But if your pct doesn't work then it's over

if my pct doesn't what?

 

[AtrophicPyra]

Most studies used small doses and all were used in girls, the studies anavar in boys was used when they obviously had a developmental problem, the shut down of testosterone didnt out weight the other development issues anavar targeted, it make sense for a test base if ur fully healthy and want to use anavar

Not true, you can run anavar without a test base and it will be wayy stronger than your natural hormonal profile and won’t suppress u that much.

am on 10mg rn no test base im shaving eod now when it used to be 1-2x a week, and my voice is wayy deeper ( from 116 hz to 86hz ) - I have proof. And my progress in the gym is a lot better.

Plus I’m not even that supressed I feel fine and happy

 

[AtrophicPyra]

12.5 every 2 days but thats all im running right now, probably 2-4 months, also when I hop off I want to try to not lose as much as I can

Your not supposed to use aromasin eod and esp not every 2 days,

literally am using 12.5mg every day bec thats how it was in studies

Why r u taking shit when u don’t know how to run it or when to take it bro? Why r u so rushed just research and learn what works and what doesn’t why r u rotting on here asking other ppl who have no clue what they r talking abt?

 

[Deleted member 341805]

Tamox if super effective for delaying growth plate maturation so use 10-20mg during whole cycle especially if ur gonna use test

Tamox is shit

 

[Deleted member 341805]

running var with little to no test base and im buying tamoxifen with it. should I use it during the cycle or just after?

What are you doing this for

 

[treyu12464]

Not true, you can run anavar without a test base and it will be wayy stronger than your natural hormonal profile and won’t suppress u that much.

am on 10mg rn no test base im shaving eod now when it used to be 1-2x a week, and my voice is wayy deeper ( from 116 hz to 86hz ) - I have proof. And my progress in the gym is a lot better.

Plus I’m not even that supressed I feel fine and happy

mirin

 

[treyu12464]

What are you doing this for

hgh and aromasin for height and anavar for theoretical height and gym progress

 

[Deleted member 341805]

hgh and aromasin for height and anavar for theoretical height and gym progress

Why go with aromasin and not letrozole if you're already nuking test

Are you also on dht derivatives

 

[AtrophicPyra]

Why go with aromasin and not letrozole if you're already nuking test

Are you also on dht derivatives

Aromasin had minimal rebound. Best ai for nattys

 

[treyu12464]

Why go with aromasin and not letrozole if you're already nuking test

Are you also on dht derivatives

when i started aromasin i was using it by itself and i wasn’t sure how long i was going to use it for. in my opinion its the best if your parents dont know because if ur on letro/ arimidex and ur shit gets taken ur e2 will rebound hard and shut ur plates. no i’m not on dht derivatives just hgh and aromasin. give me some recommendations

 

[treyu12464]

Aromasin had minimal rebound. Best ai for nattys

exactly

 

[Deleted member 341805]

when i started aromasin i was using it by itself and i wasn’t sure how long i was going to use it for. in my opinion its the best if your parents dont know because if ur on letro/ arimidex and ur shit gets taken ur e2 will rebound hard and shut ur plates. no i’m not on dht derivatives just hgh and aromasin. give me some recommendations

well if you're on no test how will you develop properly through puberty? You need a strong dht deriv

 

[Deleted member 341805]

Aromasin had minimal rebound. Best ai for nattys

Yeah but the suppression rates also look shitty compared to letrozole and anastrozole

 

[treyu12464]

Yeah but the suppression rates also look shitty compared to letrozole and anastrozole

one study showing 36% supression was only used for 10 days.

 

[treyu12464]

well if you're on no test how will you develop properly through puberty? You need a strong dht deriv

what would you recommend? i’m not on anavar yet so it’s just aromasin and hgh

 

[Deleted member 341805]

one study showing 36% supression was only used for 10 days.

Are there any ulterior studies because I'd like to see them

The study also said 62% was peak concentration. I'm not referring to the 36% anyone referring to that is kind of dumb. It's water that the drugs effectiveness decreases over time which is why we take drugs every day or 2 days etc

But it's peak concentration only hit 62%

 

[lmnopq]

Tamox is shit

What is your proof

 

[Deleted member 341805]

What is your proof

Induces apoptosis, antagonises pkc